a freelance reporter shinla as well as an r t contributor or a gentleman cross i girls and the fact that means you can jump any time he want. and i always appreciate tom. let me go to you 1st in north florida. did i overstate my introduction that europe is consigning itself to be a regional minor regional power in a multi polar world? it's getting pretty bleak for the european future. i would say your thoughts, tom? yeah, i would agree with you on appear the, the issue for europe is that it's clear, clear that the, that rushes done with them and that's a bigger issue. the man knowing that this, this all price caps has gone into place. the. the funny part now is that, you know, the headlines will be written that russia's going to have to cut production, and this is going to hurt or bunk there, there. the bottom line, bubble bar, and it's always framed in terms of how bad it is for russia, but nobody actually talks about whether kootenai has actually game plan for this. whether it's now a strategic move, cuz as far as i'm concerned, after the, the recent drone strife inside russia, we're looking at the de facto start for a major kinetic war. and if i'm prudent, i'm not selling oil under any circumstances, to my enemies. okay. let's see, let's say in london, basically the same question here because i like how, what, what tom said in the beginning of his answers that, you know, the, the, the russians have had it with the europeans. ok. but obviously in western media, it's always framed in a very the opposite way here. really? tom's absolutely. right. i mean, they need reliable partner in europe has shown itself to be unreliable, particularly in energy. we had former chance. merkel come out and basically say, yeah, the min scope processes were just deploy, they're showing their hand, they're showing their, i'm sorry, they're really gross this on it's dishonesty. the russians are done with them. ok, now the euro pass to pay the price. go ahead in london. yes, thank you. i don't disagree with what i heard, especially if you're into pieces of those who are what tom says. what i would like just give, take a deeper packing that in the discussion with that in the triangle between us, europe and russia. it has really ever been viewed open, independent political actor in global affairs. i doubt it was always dependent on the united states title in even the production of the hero was pretty much a project encouraged by the united states. so this a core core relationship between 0 and the united states. very strong alliance of the world and been so what that invest in this is always been sold back on all united states. those exactly united states was always the bill will sticks. hello russia from that project. i mentioned the since the other day of the, of the 2nd world war that was the united states project fixed with russia, from european past. so that this is, my knowledge is correct. i think that russia despise the prize stop by we can start late. dorothy was in russia, she'd never stop talking to europe. never, that's my, that's my, my, my understanding of jason. in particular now in the mean a period in which globalization seems as we know, it seems to be young. or after 9. we need to fax re sila, you know, in this war you're getting way ahead of me. it's on my checklist of questions, right? you're going to get great minds think alike. ok. brad basically the same question, but, you know, bradley, brazil, it says that, you know, russian needs to keep talking to europe. but i mean, if europe wants to control the conversation, what is the point of having a conversation? ok. i mean, it has to be a 2 way street. it's not that way. right now. i don't see. it's going to be that way for a very, very long time. go ahead brad. you know, i can see that then that's true because, you know, i think that there is, there is this kind of been a desire from people within europe to be politically economists, even though their entire political system do the you, it's been the holden to the united states, but at the same time, the politicians here lack the courage to stand up to washington even though they know that washington is undermining their interests. but ironically, the same time, these politicians, these pro, you pro western politicians that are but a europe down this path. they don't really have any leverage here. i mean, there's kind of this running joke now in europe that we're going to be, you know, like a summer holiday destination for the chinese and the americans because of the industry here is going to be completely gutted. and without cheap russian energy industry in central europe in germany is completely screwed. i mean, you know, when, when you look at central banks all over the world use energy, you use energy usage as a primary predictor of economic growth. and we've seen that that the demand for energy is gone down. and the same time you politicians are saying, this is a positive thing that we're, you know, building up our gas supplies, in case russia hall, the flow of energy to euro. but that's a bad thing. that means that economic growth here is going to go down. that means we're going to be in a recession for years, if not decades, potentially without, you know, cheap ration energy that we can use for industry here. and i don't see that these politicians have any leverage, and i think that this is going to usher in just the industrialization of europe as a result. well, again, you have great minds think alike that was going to be my question for tom, is this, is this a, an intentional plan to de industrialized europe on the part of the americans? tom, i don't think it's the americans solely. that's doing this. this is the, this is the great heresy. on my part, i'm sorry, as an american, i see the old colonial hand of europe desperately trying to hold sway over the way they run. they use us as the tip of the spear i, i really think that this whole thing is ideologically driven. i, the europeans, they're the ones out there screaming about european values and democracy. we have to save democracy, but destroying it and all the rest of it. if you look at people like vandalay and michelle and barrel, and the rest of them, they're all ideologues for this thing in the americans are simply, they are cynical, ground troops and i, and that's the way i see this. and i, and it's almost impossible to get me off of this point despite that, it's very important that we stop just framing all this is. oh, look at the evil americans pushing you with. i mean, little it's, i don't think it's for it's for deborah. i was absolutely, i tell you this is important in europe is absolutely. um they're, they're lock step with the european with this they want this war as much as everybody else. okay. when, who blew up the pipelines, then sealants. okay. i mean, obviously the u. s. benefited greatly from that at the kasha germans in the cost of europeans would a lot. and i mean, let me go to our get, let me go to my guessing line is in the hang on hang carmen's, we're tom top venting and the germans went along with it because the germans really wants to do a when they go to my guest in london basil is what do you think about that because it gave the americans enormous leverage by but having those having those pipelines blow up, go ahead in london to actually move very of this world to the united states because it increases on your blog complete and germany from from, from russia and oil and gas as well. by the same time, the united states american protection sell in jason and subsidizes, if you call making companies more competitive witness, they 430000000 faces reduction. i mean, united states is very much a consensus. always was no disengage european energy policy from from rash circle every year by the expense, which is not even enough. that's why that's why a russian government continue continue to be fund. although they kept it now, they want to cover the price. but even this is not, not, i don't want to discuss this later on. and russia has many alternatives that but my initial point, i think he should be taken on board. why? because it depends on what kind of solution we want on here up, the, the, for that, what do you want an american solution? what do you want a solution which is marked by the stand by europeans and russians and chinese is you want a european radio solution or in america so. so that's the key question. right? that's a very interesting question. we'd like to feel that go ahead. yeah, i mean, you know, i think that we, you know, the question of whether or not the europeans that the americans or whoever is running to show it for sure. the americans, i mean, you know, that's definitely true that the europeans, i mean that america is definitely a product of the colonialists mean peerless mediocrities that emerge in europe better indigenous this continent here. but the united states is, is the crystallization of bad. i mean, like the nazis said that the greatest moment in the history of white power is the creation of the united states of america. everything that is wicked about the west is, is, is ramping in washington. and the solution that they're putting forward is, is everything that's evil and dastardly about the west, that's the solution that putting forward it's domination in joe biden gives a speech a t s m c. the new headquarters that so being states and says that we're putting out american products, this is not just a signal to the chinese, you know, that there is a trade war against china. this is also talking about south korea that's talking about japan. this is talking about europe, especially, you know, that the industrialization of europe will benefit america with, as the other guests mentioned the, the inflation act. yeah. you know, the united states is setting themselves up to benefit greatly from the industrialization, europe and the debt. that's going to come on this continent here, even though supposedly we're lock step, supposedly we are equal partners with the americans. but that's not true. well, i mean one side, one side and trying on guy usa guy. and i have to go to a break gentlemen and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on europe. joy, stay with our team. the. ah, ah, ah. with today i'm authorizing the additional strong sanction foreign companies, quitting russia, numbers on to one. thank you. this glycine. so atm, cause of blantan banks disconnected from the international payment system. the social move hoppey, jermel donna and euro exchange rates followed minneapolis sellable up article. but more so, so carbon would know what up, what that what he meant that he woke up the pillar from the cell is the current. can you say what, i'm not sure. see him, a jail, a couple of months, volume and russian business overcome this song. see me and i bought it to the nazi to huddle. she is tremendously just me. don't pros, voice bullshit. nash, a productive 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really worth talking about more is a we experiencing the end of globalization as we've understood it for the last half century. because it seems to me that with this gambit that the u. s. is a playing visa v. russia and using the proxy war and kit in ukraine, is that the u. s. wants to go on its own controlled globalization, which europe would be part of, and they'll be other globalization of china we can talk about as well. we, it seems to me that there is a parting of the waters as it were. go ahead. tom and north florida. i agree with all that. i also think, oh, most of it i, what i really think is going on here, don't get me wrong. not trying to absolve the americans for their part in what's happening out here. it's clear that that's what's going on. i just don't want anybody to, to think that europe didn't make a conscious choice here. that these, that the perceived weakness of european leaders is as being subordinate or vassals to the eyes. it's, it's just nonsense. it doesn't, it's not real. so when you look at what's happening, but i think is happening is very clearly that there are forces within the united states or that are working to try and save what's left of what's been, how it out over here. while others are still trying to sell it out, i think the by the administration is trying to sell it out. i think we're, we've seen a pushed by the fellow reserve in the new york time at new york money center banks in order to stop that process. really somewhat and we see with the end of globalization, it was the clear end of the dollar reserve standard on the horizon. there is a breaking of the system and is going to be lost in the dust and it's in geo politics. arono allies are only interest and as far as i'm concerned, you install a fungus like biden, for the purposes of doing, of tax normalization with europe's your ruinous tax policy. energy policy that's in st. lockstep with cop 27 and all that stuff. like at the end of the day, i don't see the biden administration is working for the united states. and i think this is part of the real disconnect here. and that's the issue for me and the, and i see all of these, these, these things happening. i don't disagree with that, but the yes on the big trend, i just don't think that the americans are the sole evil empire here. i think that's a very, that's a very dangerous narrative and letting the europeans off the hook for their complicity in this, this, they want to do this. the destruction, the middle class in europe is not a bug. it's not a bug created by the americans. it's a feature of what, what europe wants to do to transform itself into the next version of the ussr, cuz that's what the e was becoming. well, i mean, democratic poet, bureau ed, i know but fascinating. i absolutely agree with that here. but one thing if i go back to our guests in london, i mean there's one commonality here and we know who, who is a top of the totem pole. we can all discuss that and killer all blue in the face. but they do have one thing in common is ideology. they're all ideologically possessed. is neil liberal ideology. that is one thing that they all have in common here. and it's disastrous for middle class is all across the western world. go ahead in london. okay. yes. a look i, i can't say i disagree with who are the head, but it's, it's, and it's important that we get our priority, right. who is the dominant power today in the global system in the west european union or the united states? you know, it doesn't look even qualify to be called the state is not, doesn't have federal sector, has some, some primitive. busy federal structures, but it doesn't have a few, some unity, there is no even a union of the banking sector after the massive or biking crisis. we had the leaders in crisis, so you'll be in unit can be very well the us international organization molar should be more tight on the, on the nation. so we don't, we don't deal here with unified actor. that should be taken away. that's so crucial . it is so so crucial to understand that nathan, institutionalized, the dependency of europe for the united states, the boys hear their voice. the peons have is pretty much a voice of the elite of european business that is with the lips of united states business in this. and also they can work on security security medicines. so do not be surprised if i tell you that so many splits that are within the european parliament, european commission. and so, and there is no one boards. that's why i keep, say, keep talking to the europeans. if you don't want to play the u. s. game of excluding russia from european offense, russia should not be excluding from, well, ok, but let's see, let's say, you know, who is excluding home here in europe. it is excluding russia. ok. not the other way around. ok. i and, and, and it came to a finer point here. as you've already said, this program rush, it energy is still going to europe. ok. they didn't cut it off. it's a europeans that are cutting off russian energy. let me go to brian. he may go to brad in prague here. you know, one of the things that we're hearing is that the, the, the americans want the, the europeans to go along with their policies against china. that's not going to go down very well in europe. brad. yeah, actually i just wrote a piece about this and in fact, you know, you bind people like just the bro even have the courage to say that european countries don't want to have to choose between beijing and washington. and that's because it's just in their plain self interest. i mean, but it being the china has a lot to offer. the european union, china is consumer market within the next decade, will be bigger than united states. and they are hungry for european goods. i mean, as long as those guys are cheap and not, you know, completely screwed on price because irrational energy is not accessible to the market of course. but, you know, there's, there's a lot of fruitful cooperation there. and, you know, i think that a lot of nato allies not locked up on this. i think i would like to come in with the other guess. i think we also definitely have to be very crystal clear that europe is budding out russia, but that is to be, has to be america. i mean, they have tens of thousands of troops here. they spy on a european politics, and these are demonstrated will fax. we know that you can you walk out your door here in europe and you see it, they are colonizing europe. europe is a vassal state. the united states, the you, it's not a country. this is disjointed, countries that are being forced against each other. and just as you know, the globalization has created a natural relationship between russia and the you integrating both of these economies. i think that there is a natural relationship between the russian people and people in europe. here, there is a natural political relationship just as globalization has been fruitful for both sides in russian energy creating europe's industrial base. i believe that the russian people are inextricably connected to people here in europe, not least because they are european of course, you know, i think that we have to be clear that it's washington doing this. and i think that russia should continue to engage in europe because russia needs to be a political actor in europe. and that's also because the united states part of its grand strategy, is the forces to compete with china by pushing it out of europe, forcing it to be an asian power enforcing china and russia to compete against each other. perhaps breaking their strategic cooperation, which would be detrimental to the world. the strategic cooperation between russian china is so important in keeping this multi pearl polar world, emerging multiple world ordered together one that is against american hedge money. and that is so important. okay, tom. yeah, i saw you nodding your head there you are in agreement. go ahead tom. i agree that i agree that russia and china need to be than they need the same ox up with one another and and in no way than anything. brad to say, tells me that, that that's not going to happen. what they just like moved to strategic palmer's across to each other's air basis. for i say nothing the u. s. is doing is stopping right. it, they're trying desperately to drive a wedge. that's what policy going to taiwan was of as what the chips act was about . and i get that. but understand that you listen, sitting in prague, you cannot see what's happening here in the united states, which is our institutions are being destroyed from within, from foreign powers. and it's very obvious, none of these people work for the united states. they are all trying to normalize our or even make worse, our ability to handle capital and make it handle capital worse than they already handle it in europe. ok, because capital flows were capital was treated best. and right now it's still treated best by the united states. 21 percent corporate tax rate versus a 20 percent 26 percent frank. they want but buying wants to raise it to $28.00. now, why would he want to do that if he's actually acting in the american or american interest? he's not. ok, none of this is about keeping the right nice states alive. this is about this, this is, am i literally breaking up the united states and too many people are actually going to tear this and this is go and this is a bad idea. not that i'm a huge fan of the united states in any way, manner, shape or form. but all of these things are being driven, as peter mentioned, as by ideologically possessed, people who believe that we can move to a different type of system. ok, and it's not necessarily just the americans driving this. there are it, is it, it is at the end of the day whether we are going to have public formation of half public capital formation or private capital formation. and there are forces within the u. s. that still believe in private capital formation and the people at the top of our political system are aligned with europe that we need to have public capital formation. the end of sent the, the end of commercial banking, the end of all of that stuff. and this is all the sub text of what's going on with the, with the, the situation in ukraine and how it's being handled. but the don't kid yourself in any way, manner, shape or form. this is about the destruction of the united states. and everybody thinks that will be a great thing. i got news for you at the united states falls apart in the worst way imaginable. no one is going to be happy about the results. nobody. well, there was a european st. 9. well. ok, because of that, you think that you do you think the end of the ussr was, was ugly. you just wait to see what happens. dad says, well, if it goes down it's going to take a good part of the world with it. there's no doubt about that. ok. it's he lives in london. can the european union survive? because you know what, you know, people talk about getting through this winter. okay. they're going to get through this winter will be uncomfortable, but they will. but what about the next 5 winters? that's where the real challenges go ahead in london. either i can predict the future. it will be tough for everybody. again, you have to realize, i think the people a few of understand what is wrong. here for us in relationship go back to normal as it were. i thought it was, it was in the interests of germany to go up to 5. i think he was an english neither station pipelines, a northern steam and so on. there were, these are here in german function, and this is what we do not want to stop the europeans. know the elite no very well . but when they speak, they speak with american language. that's my point is not political, you know, heavily dependent on it. of course, not shaping or sex and he's up to russia at liebherr, i 3 months to pay, you know, from a great, i mean $9097.00. this institute wrote a book, the parents of that book, the gun transport. the purpose of 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