Even though the United States has tried desperately to the same life, the country. And it didnt work and its not going to work. Iran is now a member of the shanghai Operation Organization in the summit meeting. And it was pakistan. There were major and agreements between the line in russia. Youve run in china, iran in the specs on russia and china, india wanting to do it business with russia to re run through the whole of asia is changing. The math is changing and theres really nothing that the nice it can do about a professional. I am in new delhi for the last time you were on the program. I think we, we talked about the, the g 7 it hadnt met. Then i asked you what was the reaction in india and you said not much. Ok. It doesnt make the front page, its not a major headline. This point of this inflection point, i think is really true because the United States is forcing you either with us or against this. And the global south says, well, were, were not going to make a decision. We dont fear you, and we dont really respect you any more. Thats the inflection point. Go ahead in new delhi. Well, i think the global south has not kept quiet. They what this thing is with through the policy of neutrality and they talk to state even though they do not want war, they want, you know, respect, serenity, et cetera. I think they understand the russian position and their security concerns and as far as theyre concerned and the west is concerned or any other big grouping is concerned, they want neutrality, which means strategic autonomy and independent foreign policy. They do not want to be pressured into this site or that site or to somebody elses waters. So this warren, ukraine is not the war of the global thought. And theyve seen the differences of how the west st. This water, new crane, and how it treats the war that you know of into engine rich based stock in the global south, whether its iraq or, you know, where the supporting the saudis, in yemen or libya, the attitude they have to was refugees from conflicts. So there is this element of racism and the south is saying no, we dont want to be thought of. Well off theres water. Sure. Do you bring up a very good point . Lets go to where it gets to anchor, who st. Joseph burrell, before and policy chief of the e. U. I. He came out with a very peculiar statement of a few days ago that europe is some kind of garden and other than outside of europe. Its a jungle youre not in the u. R. Is turkey, part of that jungle . I mean, you know, joseph brown, he writes the very weird blogs. Ok. But i mean, i think its, this is that tainted neil colonialism. Its still there. Go ahead and ankara. So turkey has nothing to jangle about very near to john rose. Needed to be got. It all depends from your look. 30 member of nato focus in the garden, 30 of negotiating with you to can, you know, just me to close the garden, but theyre still in the jungle. And this is why turkey is trying to make a party so of balance, you know, trying and trying to combine the changing job politics in duration. And in the church gives jeff between east and west like a fan which you know, cheese in the family. What size the pressure . Russia freshman when the one hand the you to europe and the medical pressure on the other hand truck is trying now somehow to get the 1900 century balance of power. It is not new for turkey. But one point is clear as my sense from india and from to hit on said that the work is changing, the work is not anymore the same as before, trying to sort of february and the rubble south, i think in a different way than turkey. So turkey is still in the, in the west is like your play, which is trying to make my nowhere with that being said, the people think its the most about the man think either in a browser in washington dc. Its at least at the moment. But whats the future well bring . We will see. Well, you know, its interesting when we heard really saying about going back to the 1900 century. When its, why do you know policy makers in the swamp in washington in london, is that they, they dont know anything about history because the entire length of history of geo politics is balancing of powers. Its not about values, its about relative power. That one has turkey, if you want turkey or not, that thats the question here, but its playing a marvelous job of balancing its interest. The global south takes that as a q a ran takes, that is a q china takes that is a q africa takes that is a q, but everybody in washington is oblivious to at apparently go head mom and i think its very important to look. It was what joseph brown said and understand implications. It was a very racist game when it shows that there is no real difference between the liberals and the political regime. In europe, United States and the right wing republicans and the neocons, theyre basically saying the same thing for the rest of the world. One is just being more creative in language. The other is more crude like bolton, what, whats the difference in what bolton says and what joseph were else as an impact . One world said these liberals in iran, these young liberals who are, i think that there are some sort of garden in europe when well, makes the statements. Hes flapping them in the face. Yeah. Hes basic telling them that youre worthless to us. Youre beneath us, youre part of the jungle. For the rest of us being in the jungle is just fine. We dont want to be a part of that garden, the garden that rapes and plunder is that steals money from venezuela. Thats imposed to see john, the cuban people for decades. This tried to strangle the riding people thats carried out genocide a longer. So these in yemen, i survive to chemical attacks. Those chemicals were given to Saddam Hussein by the gardeners in europe. So they dont see the reality as it is. They only see the reality as they would wish it to be. That is exactly why they miscalculated in russia. They thought theyll pull the plug. Those imposed sanctions on russia and russia will collapse and its game over. So all those provocations that they carried out expanding eastward, lying to russia, overthrowing the government in ukraine, in imposing an antique or russian government, supporting the a right wing, fascist, and the nazis in ukraine. All of that was done because they thought a what their victory was inevitable. But they fail to recognize reality that russia is a huge power that iraq is a force to reckon with. Look at whoever is drones, they are in ukraine. Now. Nato, with all the is her, with all the claims to greatness can even deal with a few drowns. This is, these are countries that have been in charge for hundreds of years. And they, they think that they can govern over the rest of the world. Now they are beginning to understand that the parents, they will, they believe that they have a moral right to a professor to annoy me that it will hum, it brings up a very good point here. I mean, we, irrespective of theory, neo conservative or liberal intervention, its, its all about had gemini, you know, you had german. Its like putting lipstick on his gemini. Its still a gemini professor in new delhi. Correct . I want to make 3 point one about her gemini, is that it is preventing them to see you or even admit other countries perceptions. So they want to see everything by balance and they dont recognize the opinion of other countries or even try to understand the different perceptions. So thats one bit about this balance so far again, balance so far from the western realist is about, you know, the west balancing far with the, the other powerful block which was earlier the soviet union. And now maybe balancing with china. They never recognized the voice of the south. The south was never had a hedge, a monic wife, and so they never recognized it so they dont match the balance. So now when they have weakened, they need the salt and therefore theyre going to the un general assembly, which they didnt do earlier for any issue for palestine. All 4 ok. Professor professor, you said you have 3 points. He just said 2 of them are going to go to a short break. And when we come back, well do the 3rd point. Ok. Im going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break and, and after that short break, can you continue our discussion on the global south se without the the the ah, a disdain becomes the advocate and engagement equals the trail. When so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. Im willing into a so booty toya know cranium, g doin soon enough idea. She ship a duck. Lean that ship board of control. You put you on board. So she shell go. Diddy. Tgm awarded by yankee says that really premium did not signify such rights anthony lucy, lean. Yeah, well, we can do 2 or 2 and 6. We have school stems out arkell room dish, but ill let you do a buffer. Leona grains hes dental or easter modern date. My subway, but just dory finished on a salad ship. Elise get us, push i we ship it with them said yes, figure trisha. I needed his daughter to look like you know what of them. I need a little circus as the you playing school this with that. As a visual one, they reached over that or where you could reach who couldnt, she has not to the usual go to work. It doesnt feel good to break global thumbs in years about how she took on my job is to broadview enough. When you create, you take a picture, go double play, you have to go so good. Im not pleased with ah, welcome back across stock where all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. Glad you were discussing the global south. Ah. Okay, lets go back to the good professor in him della you enumerating on 3 points you got to in before the break. Now the 3rd one go right ahead. Limited point is based on what up and it is said about they miscalculated russia, the boynton. That of notice that the west has various 4 wheels on your dad. This lama for be up. We have final 4 bill. They have russo phobia and they have 4 be about the so of so, so they cannot see the entire picture and they miscalculate. So theyve made to, weve also made strategic errors. There are a lot of problems in the global south. Im not saying that its you know, even that whether its a great jungle or not. Of course, you know that identity issues, ethnic issues, theyre local war. But nonetheless, i dont think though with through its very aggressive, militarist geo politics is helping to resolve any of these. That is why i think we are looking forward to this transit, this building transition in this. And then with this, i think always have good reason to a bit, theres going to be put forces that will resisted and thats what were seeing. Because when you had your mind starts declining, it red lashes out. And thats what weve seen, particularly in this century. But i would say theres a long, 500 year history of it as well here. Lets go back to anchor. Let me quote that anthony blink and the secretary of state. You said, you know, this is again in the last new cycle. If washington does not set the rules for the world than someone else will, i think someone else should make the globe move out. Show it okay. Hasnt the west cause enough trouble for the last 500 years for the rest of us . Go ahead. In ankara. First of all, joseph and i wrote a book written which read the title, do more. 1 matter, yes, and American Foreign policy morale does not matter. As joseph 9 says, and then we have john mesh armor wrote the decline of the wrist and liberalism, i think at the moment we see a discussion very much in europe and in america about the what the remains dental of today is the geopolitical change of geopolitical realism and balance of power are now whether global south babylon. Busy the west is an open question. I dont know. We will see how the global style is really develop further at the moment. Its, theres not the trunk to contain or to block the west at the moment. Neither economy no militarily, but the fact is the democratic countries as their problems democratic, so se faced many challenges and the, the liberal, or the republicans, or democrats whatsoever, thinking class indoors or societies. They also do not know how to go further because the relative decline is indeed there are on the west, no doubt about it. It shows obstacle and in the political terms, but the west is still very strong in meditative terms. And this is, again, what matters. International, i would military power is important, but let me go back to my home and here, i mean, one of the things, one of the most glaring things weve been watching over the last few years is the deed, dollarization of the global economy. If you dont that, that, you know, you know, you could say you could be afraid of tanks, but banks are more important at the end of the day. And this, this, this graph, the hang onto gemini, is destroying what gave them power in the 1st place. I mean, how many countries now are trading in their own domestic currencies . It is growing leaps and bounds, and people are ditching the dollar because of sanctions, secondary sanctions, price caps, all of this here. Its remarkable how they destroy their own power mohammed. Yes, and as a result of this war and all the sanctions and the sanctions on other countries, what we now see is, for example, in running russia, theyre developing a north south corridor which goes from east europe and asia to iran and the persian gulf. And thus, russia canal trade without even going through europe. They can trade with africa, they can trade with continents. And in particular, india rewan. You also have now a trade route from central asia being developed to he run through and also to lecture. So we see all these trade links being developed, then exclude the United States and europeans. And on the other hand, since the United States has sanctioned so many countries they, theyre encouraging them to trade in their own currency. So now running russia both are sanction. Now they trade with these china becoming increasingly concerned. So they are developing alternative means to trade with iran, russia, india is also going to be, they are going to need to train with iran, russia, china, and hunger. So they have to also develop alternative means, in other words, with the americans in the europeans and the same issue that america with americans and the europeans are doing is they themselves, by over using this weapon, this really barbaric weapon which targets ordinary people who are using it, theyve created an incentive for other countries, both and moved their trade routes away from them to carry on try their Financial Transactions without including them. And they are going to be huge, long term consequences and the problem that the europeans and americans. How is that . The problems is at home or on the rise. They used to have this facade that they were democracies, which they never were. These are all the guarantees that when you, when the means of giving is disseminating information that are in the hands of a few. You cant cover the mark, but they had constantly for centuries. Are these for, for the last few decades of been telling, there are populations that youre, youre in the garden and the rest of the world is a jungle. But now, as things get worse in europe, in the United States, people are going to see no, this is not a garden for all of its own, is only a garden for the likes of brow and that class of people. So i think that not only are we going to see, are we seeing the rise and greater independence of the global south and asia from the west. But also were going to see major fractures growing larger and emerging in the west itself. And in particular, in europe, in the coming months in a professor tonight, the one of the things that really irks me in its something ive been doing almost to the last 2 years. I really like asking my guess what, how do you understand the term rules based order . Because i cant figure out really what it means other than just we make the rules and you follow it. I mean is, is it a little bit more nuanced than that . Whats, whats the position in new delhi, for example . Look um, how we understand rules based order is really that it has to include International Law. It has to include the norms and traditions set in institutions where a number of countries have agreed on it that its the w t o on dad, the various united, you know, the trade noms, et cetera. So if it all comes together, you can have a rule based order, but International Law and whats been passed legally needs to be there at the same time. No one set of can. Countries can impose a ruler based order outside these and say that we have exemptions from earlier Security Council resolutions or we can do with a rito on the issue of palestine, but you cannot a so a rule based order, you know, then it doesnt mean very much bothers, the dollar is concerned. There is no other reserve currency as yet. Yes, there is a dollar swap arrangement going on between many trading. Knows especially with asia. And therefore, earlier, you know, from 80 percent of the dollar being used across trade. Now its almost about 50 between 50 and 60 percent. So there is a decline, but theres a long way to go, because at the moment there is no alternate reserve currency and i think what will, how will it will really be pushed if as we heard russia and opec agreed to, you know, cut out the petro darla and do trade in in their local currency. So we see all this, at least i do also, you know, very multiple kind, a way that we dont block out any one. Theyre not for revenge because of colonialism. But we believe in a plural. Multi paula world where everyone can have a say and that the, the United Nations should be strengthened and democrat dice, where the global south also has an equal voice. Lets go to, lets go back to, to around here. Its the, the issue of opec is really quite curious here because the United States is very upset. Its going to, its going to look per sanctions against. What was that reimagined the policy with saudi arabia. And its really interesting, and we had the spokesperson spokesperson coming out and saying, you know, you know, this is all the, the saudis, or its this kind of, you know, it was unanimous, every Single Member of opec said this is a policy that were going to pursue because its not a person a further is their domestic agendas. I mean, theyre sovereignty. I mean that thats not hard to understand. But the americans that treat it is that the written the oil in iran in the oil. And so you every is, theres go ahead moment. I think there are 2 things that are really interesting here. One is the, the kind of the United States, just 3 years ago, maybe it was. Mom had been salmon was sitting a line lead aside from 1st, trump was showing all the weapon systems that he was going to buy from the United States. And he and mohammed and so on, looked very embarrassed about the whole presentation in front of the reporters. And then now the United States has become so weak that even the cow thats been milk is showing resistance that i think is very revealing. On the other hand, i think its also important to keep in mind that the europeans and americans have brought this upon themselves. They destroyed the rock, they sanctioned the rom, they sanctioned venezuela. They destroyed much of syria, which was an Oil Producing country. They destroyed the sudan, which was also an oil ex order when the United States and the european. And then there is libya, of course. So when he United States in its european allies, destroy these countries or impose sanctions on these countries. And there is a loss in Global Production or at the capacity for production, then, well, when they sanction the russians, then they get what they deserve. Now theyve created the shortage themselves. So now, because theyve destroyed so many different countries, because the sanction so many different countries, we see poetic justice, they said they sanctioned the russian. They send the prices through the roof. All the sanction countries are making money in russian time making money. And europe goes into crisis. Okay, am i sorry, who say we lost you there for a 2nd . Im glad youre back here, but unfortunately, were out of time. Fascinating discussion in the global south something. Crosstalk is going to continue to, to wanna explore here many. And i get them to read and correct and in new delhi, and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r t c you next time. 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