Mind you. I think the biggest impact is that youre not going to replace or supply mil to replace entities or why youre gonna slowly, but surely it acts as accurate as russia might. Or was that the maximum 1000 rushing to the left, the nation . Is that 300000 mobiles, asian president . But im telling you it is, there is a power bill that comes in to someone in germany, which i know. So the 1st one is secondly, because of all, all productions, especially no manufacturing out of germany. I think thirdly, youre not going to see germany wanting to go toward russia. You dont want to go to one country and possibly once you get out of this destructive relationship with natal in the United States, i think that you can preserve our revolution of writing practice. And thats all of this doors that of terrorist a yeah, we certainly have not seen the end of this investigative journalist edwards. All thank you so much for your time and insight and that is all for now. Be sure to check out our g dot com for all the latest breaking news and updates, and we will be back for more at the top of the hour. Ah, i look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such orders at conflict with the 1st law show your identification. We should be very careful about artificial intelligence. At that point, obviously is to great trust, rather than fear i would like to take on various jobs with artificial intelligence, real summoning with obamas protect his own existence with ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock. Were all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. Western audiences have been flooded with one wave after another of propaganda when it comes to ukraine. But what matters most is the generation of political and strategic facts. For example, the induction of 4 ukranian regions into russia and the sabotage of the north stream pipelines. These realities will determine the outcome of this conflict with cross stocking the moment of truth, im joined by my guest latimer, goldstein and providence. He is the chair of the department of slavic studies at Brown University in washington. We have michael maloof. He is a former pentagon Senior Security policy analyst and intends virginia. We have had see he is a conflict consultant in a retired u. S. Foreign Service Officer or a gentleman, cross stock rules, the fact that means you can jump in any time you want. And i always appreciate michael, let me go to you 1st here. Political facts are what matter most and joseph morale said this conflict in ukraine will be one on the battlefield. The only thing hes ever said that i agree with. So if we, we have the induction of these 4 regions of ukraine into russia after referenda. And then we have this very strange, but basically very expected as sabotage of the north stream. Both are turning points and in for me, because once these provinces regions are part of russia, they will never be negotiated way. Theres no negotiation that russia will be involved in and with the sabotage of these pipelines will probably never be built. I wouldnt do it, it will this be blown up again . Im the quote unquote leverage moscow had with europe is gone. So whereas every very different trajectory now, and im very emphatic when everything is said and done, one side winds and one side loses, theres no win, win here, michael in washington. No, not at this point. It appears that all options have been broken now to try to reach a, a settlement on this thing that, that the hope was that there would be some form of settlement. But this, the sub blowing up of the pipeline seems to have been the proverbial straw. And i, i think of moscow has basically decided just to look eastward and, and, and go as your agent past. And that its going to be very, very difficult for a europeans. And it really is a reflection on a wind for the us ultimately and, and its oil companies. It basically now has made europe a slave to us energy once again, because theyre going to be needing that very, very shortly. And already the u. S. Is at capacity and delivery and the europeans are gonna be having a very, very difficult time trying to find any substitutes. And then term i understand that a chances sholtes of germany was just in saudi arabia didnt get what he wanted. He got ones out one shipment, one ship of, oh okay. Okay. Okay. Be ultimate. But i also, we have to point out you that the energy that europe will be importing from the u. S. Will be very, very expensive. Okay . That is the game changer. Vladimir, let me go to you because this has been just as much a war on germany as it has been on russia. Its really quite amazing the parallels here because it germany is economy is going to have a very difficult time recovering. Remarkably, who would have thought some German Companies want to move to america, because they have cheaper prices. Okay. This is all part of the plan here, but lets stay with ukraine here. If there is going to be any kind of negotiated and the conflicts do have negotiated n, i have to wonder if kevin is even going to be at the table. Vladimir your thoughts . Yeah, i think 1st thing you have to remember that not nato a stake story, its kind of old slogan, has to keep russia out in germany down in the americans, dean, and is blowing up their pipe is just precisely like one master stroke. I would say which accomplishes, of his, of his goals. Would it, would it also accomplish just a sense of very, very kind of powerful and strong message all over the world, russia and china in particular. I imagine the chinese a what you did with tremendous attention. Now it is so some, a tweets from chinese officials, they dont buy. Of course, this narrative, the garage isnt of all they know who, who did it, and they know that they can be next because this is, i think, you know, theyre watching a role people. Theyre watching of what you know, United States can do what the needs are, can do with great attention. So in the long run, it might be sort of a good move, again, say in germany and russia, but you know, j nice. I will definitely will, will consider as taking a consideration in there for the policies. And the last point is, of course, as russia, you know, i, you know, i know in the russian culture and histories strongly be the degree that i sent all the stake a where seriously tried to be partner tried to learn you. Them was all the brothers. You them as teachers, but them always just, you know, sounds like that the more us doing that you, they even are eastwood or in the work. And i think its finally with either each this, this boy that i was just as you know, who cares what you guys do, you know, we kind of july and you, you can, that you just anything except propaganda. Except those of you know, the conduct engine of fake shim at if random selections resume changes all over the world. We can de la to so i think im not sure that the west basically, you know, they are sending the right message all over the world. The, the teaching people incentives isnt watching out rather than coca grading. And this is very disturbing. So they might have succeeded in the short term of keeping germany down and benefit in oil companies. But in the long term it looks very as well. He said, whats the pipeline story is very interesting. First of all, well probably never know why how it happened because no and is particularly interested other than the russians in trying to find out what happened. But i do, id like to point out, washington, never the last new cycle has been very quiet about whose fault it is. Thats really unusual, considering every thing is russias fault, these a but ted then people, there are those in europe like the polls like the baltics there. They dont want to have any relationship with russia. Well, thats basically coming true right now. There wont be one, but theres a coffee up to that. Then what if brush is not going to have a relationship with the west then russia is going to set its own security terms. Hence, the induction of these provinces of ukraine into russia. Further, others could join it. Odessa comes to mind here. So they dont really have to care what the west care, what they think about it. They do have to worry about how they react militarily. But i mean, russia is, can do it. What would needs to do unilaterally based on its own needs . Kev is not a reliable interlocutor, and obviously, nato is hostile. Go ahead, ted. Here, this is all the inevitable consequence of not dissolving nato back in 1990 after its reason for existence, right . Nation and weve seen over the years that there been a chance to negotiate a better balance between europe and its american sort of big brother and, and weapons provider on the one hand in russia on the other. And thats totally gone downhill since at least a time than glad every improvement took over is as president the 1st time around. And what weve seen recently is just an astonishing series of actions. And i wouldnt mind taking a 2nd to detail them. Youve got the provision advanced and ship missiles and guidance they are from and training, therefore from nato to the ukrainians, to use against you. Radiation, metals that havent been shared outside of nato. As far as i can tell, youve got a hearing of intelligence for the use in the assassination in the field of russian general officers. Youve got to use a very high tech guided missile which is accurate. And supposedly you within one meter after flying for 300 kilometers to assassinate ukrainian politician hotel. And there happened by the way to be an rti crew right next door to survive check. But only just and finally got the sabotage of the north screen pipelines. Lets turn this around and imagine that any one of these things happen to be us. Do you think there be hesitation in declaring war yet . Well, you bring up the most important point. Let me go to michael to kind of flesh this out here because i think, you know, we all know that on friday, bladder, mere poaching will make a public address. Its highly anticipated considering the events that have been happening. I tend to think my crystal ball reading my tea leaves here. Hes going to, he may decide to declare that the us and nato were belligerents in the conflict and ukraine. And that has huge, huge call implications. Michael. No, i to, i absolutely agree. We gotta, were an Uncharted Waters right now. This is this, this is a and an event that were seeing a series of events that were seeing, that there are almost out of control. Theres no, theres nobody, there is no leadership. Everyone is reacting at this point. And its going to korea havoc and its going to get worse, and i think, and i it see the russians intensifying. I would not doubt that mr. Brewton will not only declare nato and us as belligerence, but, but also try to maybe even consider sc severin diplomatic relations because the blowing up of their pipeline in effect was an act of war. So i think the and i and michael and michael, they can add to that. It is a declaration of war. The way i look at it. But michael, importantly also civilian infrastructure is no longer, you know, its not no longer for bowden. Theyve sent that message. Ok, glad. I mean, youre nodding your head an agreement. Go ahead. Yeah, i think its a, its opens up on the under a box if you wish. And i think i want to return to this point. Were to said that it wasnt, and theres a kind of a reticent about, you know, blame in russia, but also simultaneously with a here that right away in the region. Companies in the region government norwegian represent there say we are watching for all pipeline and we are preparing all the forces of nature to defend it. So why, why are they saying that the united means like they, they, they afraid, like the answer back that they did something, and now theres a watch out. Were gonna defend our pipeline. So this is a very uncharted territories and i think its a short termism. Ultimately, i have a feeling that you know, this is for endo and you know, joining those guys companies was, it was like really a decisive chest move. So i think neither decided to have them move, but i think how its going to play out eventually between the us in a dub, with germany in august. Its unknown and i think im not sure from what weve seen so far from western leadership that they actually, you know, consider all the options. All of it ends in i dont think that you know, that they have stupid people, but they might have people like shorter people hope, sometimes based decisions on their other kinds of false information which they get from room keep government which allows it to rates. So they might base it on, on a, on a false premise, what vladimir of a faulty narratives create faulty policy outcomes. Were seeing this right in real time here. Gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break anathema short break. Well continue our discussion on the events in ukraine. St with a was always a stating this obvious and that the need to was was sheep or award. And many of the medical also the glee enrica singers that dogs and all those who have stated that need almost not good morning. Who is this kind of business courses . A show show is hands against you cream. So this thing was coming from us with simply from compose a few dormitories. Not that it certainly was from the 11 finding. Ah ah, welcome back to cross sac. Were all things are considered on peter level to remind you were discussing events in ukraine . Ah. Okay, lets go back to ted and tens mania. I wanna, i want to flush out something you said earlier about the intelligence assistance, the ukraine by nato countries. I think that, you know, with the pipeline incident that the sabotaged there in your mind as a former form of foreign Service Officer. Would you be surprised, for example, that suddenly nato satellite started dropping out of the sky. My, this is, this is very, very, an important element of ukraine. Some defense posture right now, offensive posture, considering most analysts, military people have told me that the Ukranian Army was destroyed during the summer. So in every single way russia is fighting nato. So why should those satellites stay in the sky, ted . Well, my only answer would be sort of the prayerful hope that we prevent world war 3 here. But unfortunately, tit for tat is an entirely legitimate tactic. In a situation like this, you know, with sibling and infrastructure as you say, destroyer for that matter. And hotel that was targeted by, you know, a guided missile, forgot to say, for an assassination of one person. Talking about overkill. Someones got to be rational here. Someones going to be reasonable, but we cant keep expecting russia to be that someone all the time without some kind of reciprocation. And as you noted earlier, its, its as though theres been a deliberate burning of the bridges. So theres no going back. And no one wants in washington, it seems in nato capitals. No one wants the possibility, a real negotiations or some kind of least bad alternative lasting piece. Yeah, well thats because theyve created this rhetorical environment where you cant take a word back. You cant, because if youre reasonable, thats appeasement. Thats munich. Ok. Theyre in a trap. There are no linguistic mind trap. They cant get out of michael. We have to talk about these a republics joining russia because they will become russian soil sovereign. And the russians have made it very clear. This isnt a bluff. Now this is the next stage, and were in the most dangerous stage of all, because russia will defend these, these new russian republics. Go ahead, michael. No, absolutely i. I fully anticipate that happening and thats, thats one of the reasons why there was a, an effort to bring them immediately into the rush Russian Federation and to, and its basically a red line for ra ukraine you. If you start showing them again, were gonna attack and i and i anticipate that russian attacks will occur more, more a, in a much more definite way and particularly as winner reproaches. And i also see greater Cyber Attacks to get at the point that you were talking about earlier, not only against, ah, the, the, the ukrainians and their ability to communicate, but also against the west. Generally, i think there may be actually a severance, a savvy in of communications, in some respects between russia and lets say washington itself, breaking up with potential diplomatic relations. This thing could escalate very, very rapidly, and it will easily get out of control. But the, the, the, the whole, the whole notion of, of, of ukraine attacking the provinces now are going to be very, very dire. If, if they go ahead and do Something Like that. And, and i then see attacks on the leadership positions and the command control areas. Unlike what weve seen before, that is exactly a vladimir, you know, in, i mean, from where i am here in moscow. In there, i have to admit a level of frustration. It looks like the Russian Military is fighting with one arm tied behind its back. I mean, a care of is in one piece. Layer, command and control is in one piece of the have a hotel men trail in poland. I mean, you know, i, at what point does it say enough is enough. We know were all the entry points are we know we can see everything going on. And hey, look, well give you 30 minutes to clear your guys because the missiles are coming in and theyre going to destroy everything coming across the border because they can see it. Go ahead vladimir. Yeah, i think this is veronda and its joining of this for, for the 6 are very, very important. And they important primarily, you know, for domestic russian audience. Because, you know, lets not forget russians unbelievably priority in the what went all this, you know, you know, particularly wars again and a point on, and he to learn this and that. So now its not like, you know, we have to fight in a need somewhere in the ukraine, and then there is a lose arguments. Nathan defense, a defense helpless grade. Now what ration bob will see is this in a dog and the ukraine, and others. I actually taken in invading and warming, and destroying russian debt is good. So that will definitely a big impact there. And i think we were talking about, you know, waking up a bear and i think rushes for the candy for their, for defense of the land. They do anything, you know, and they do much more than the western us or americans or anyone because americans are not rated americans are coming to russia during the week and i will fight back with all the have. So i think its a very minute dangerous game and i think probably again, when there is like, you know, something happening, it would be on the agreement that is already maybe a rational public, which is a lot less than sending bomb bomb a stew. You know, to v o key of or something, but if you ration did it, or is it that again, again, then theyll be giant outright. Lets keep them back and then i dont know, you know, who will benefit from it . You know, 10, are they, the memory of the 2nd world war in the west is dimmed. Theres a lot of revisionism going on. But what happened in june 1941 is, is seared into the memory, the consciousness of every russian. And they have vowed never to let that happen again. Thats why im agreeing with what. But vladimir had to say, this is visceral for them. Victory day is the most sacred day in the calendar. The west doesnt seem to get that 10. We dont study history anymore. There we give it up for watching the car dash, and its quite frankly, there is no communal memory because that generations passed away. We think we understand what happened because were seeing documentaries on tv or cbs or whatever Entertainment Channel happens to be pretending to be a history channel. But its not the same thing, not the blood and soil mixed together the way there was in different soviet territory. Certainly in russia, so youre absolutely right. Theres a huge balance of memory here in a grievance having to do with in day and, and i just, i dont see a way forward militarily for the west other than continuing to, to the seemly expensive materials into ukrainian hands. And theyre going through them faster than the west can provide them as far as i. So at some point theres going to be a crisis supply, you know, on charity, if you will. I think, you know, persons are going to start being closed, especially as you mentioned before when the cold winter. And so i dont see a good way forward here is in terms of continuing on but, but now the bridges have been burned, nor do i see a way back towards diplomacy. I actually have to completely agree with you michael. Ive over the last couple of weeks i had this habit of asking those questions because i like it because it brings out different responses. So its your turn to answer this one whos got the clocks and whos got the time in this conflict. Go ahead at this point, i think rush, it does again, which ways both, both are what one of the other the clock in. What was the other one, like clock in time. I got the clock whos got the time. I think he, i think russia has both, it can, it can, it can hold out for as long as it can, the United States is up against a very serious selection coming up. The people dont like this, shoot this war and, and they have other things on their mind. And the, and the europeans are getting fed up. And, and theyre, and theyre, theyre seeing that this is getting them know where you got protests going on in germany now. And all that russia has to do is wait it out and, and its going to be, it will, i think the europeans are gonna ultimately recoil from all of this and, and finally say enough it in spite of the fact that that victoria newland and company are back there, pushing, pushing, pushing, but at some point theyre going to see that this is not benefiting them. Theyre going to have are very harsh winter, and the russians have been through it all before they can do it again. I think that hardship that you talk about is probably genetic and in the rush in the rush. And yeah, i mean, its one of the things you learned that living among russians, that there is a high level of stoicism. Theyre very stoic when it gets that when youre up against the wall, theyre very stoic and they, they work in unison. Other than that, they never do. But when, when they, when theyre threatened, they come together and, and something. Is it something to watch . Well, vladimir a, the, the, the idea of that, the brush, the idea of having regime change in russia, which is ridiculous here. But i, i do foresee a regime change in berlin. I think Sergeant Schultz will be sent packing and his coalition very soon. Yeah, i did say that Sergeant Schultz. Go ahead. Vladimir. Thats absolutely the case. I think the interactions on the pressure i get together. So even if there be like a, here are the people talk about others, jim change, or youll be like absolutely tougher guy, if there is some changes. Russia, which will, it would be i, a guy. But, you know, in terms of german in england, you know, they dont have time. She brought this the radio to like our one month in the office. Or the least ross is doing a bungalow economy. Germany is not going to do well. Well, you know what . I what i want to stress is that, yes, those who no history, those been, all russians know that they can persevere. But i think western calculations are always based on some is, were said, falls logic. They get some strange that g 6 which tells them that rational economy is a week, but i still dont have. This wasnt on the are that you grahams a send this information again to washington . Say yes, yes. Yes. We are. We knew that i saw a collapsing layer running out of ammunition there. Im out of this equipment. So this idea that the items are running out. It says ready . Very naive, very faulty. But i think you know, so in other words, it also does have diamond logan a hand, but there were actually things that we do and thats where the danger a come to the fight with a gun, unload it and think its loaded as opposed to a one and what will happen, but i think, well, you know, time will tell, of course, you know, well, time well, but im, im, im protecting that lives trust will be looking for political asylum in canada before the end of the winter. Thats my prediction. Its all the time we have gentlemen many, thanks some i get some providence washington and intense mania. And thanks to our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time remember, stuck with ah, ah, in a russian state, i never tied up on the north lansky with a speed anyone else with rural van in the european union, the kremlin. Yup, machine. The state on to russia to date and c, r t sport mckibben, our video agency, roughly all band on youtube with ah, the meals. 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