Bass. And we dont, we send out 5 shells and were getting hit with 100. So that is enabled by the nato nato was making that happen. And i think it, it is, its becoming a very dangerous situation because i, i think i just saw a comment or a message from russia to, to nato that, you know, if you put in long range what weapons you have crossed to red line. And the, the russians dont make idle threats. Maxime in this is basically the same to you because a, the way its frame, this is russia and ukraine. But it seems, i mean, in zalinski said already in the last few days unseen. And that the, without american support, he can continue his effort here. And then you have western media sources gleefully saying, yeah, well, the americans and nato, they were all behind the great defensive in konica. I mean, this is, its not internationalize, its nato iced. Its putting russia against nato, and in the conflict like this, there is no when, when is a i to say that ones going to lose here. This is what i agree with larry, this is getting very scary. Go ahead, maxime. Well, the thing here is, is not just demands. It kind of certain reconfiguration of military efforts on the russian side, which i think will happen. And in the short term, it also means if need to is to go on all its force and weight behind ukraine. And its clearly the potentials of nato and russia are asked symmetric and, you know, and this kind of conventional warfare rush is likely lose, which is not accepted by moscow that demands really reconfiguring the approach to the warfare and trying to advance for other domains. Including non military domains of seen, russia have use these tools as well, but it also demands on the part of russia to more pain on a nato countries, including on their, you know, public ships, works for, you know, support for a crane, and also their economy standing in the military standing so indeed gets us in a more dangerous spite of confrontation, where were not climbing the escalation. Were jumping the escalation letter, and there are still some of the lethal military tools that russia has. It says disposal, which it hasnt few so far. So theres still a lot of potential for the escalation, but it only will were some things for everyone. Well, garland me go to you and watch, and in here we did immediately after they get the so called counter offensive, we saw that the electricity grade and much of ukraine went down. That was no accident, obviously here. And its a reminder to everyone kind of an echo of maxime said, is that theres all the rush. The russia has a lot of tools and its tool box still can it has a weapon systems that it has not use with. Theres no been those strategic bombing, theres been no major attack on command control centers. Thats still all out there. Its all very possible. And i, i expected garland is in theres a hand the russia doesnt even have to play. And thats, you know, general winters about to come riding in his a snowy white steed into, into europe. I think, you know, theres a lot of talk about, shall russ, russia escalate. I think there is a certain level of desperation on, within nato and within the countries because they know within the next couple months, this things going to fall apart for them. I dont think personally russia has to. I would add soldiers simply because some of the areas they lost simply would get was because they didnt have enough personnel on the ground to hold those places and they had to retreat. And of course, on the other side, argued that it was, you know, some kind of a massive defeat. But in reality, if they kind of hold tight and make a few minor adjustments within the next few months. And, you know, the, the, the e u countries are going to be in deep and serious trouble. So i dont think russia has to make as big a moves as a lot of people. I think theyve got, you know, a lot of things on their times on their side of the role is done with it. Ok, well, im going to use another phrase here. We go back to larry here. When we heard of a lot in afghanistan, youve got the clock, so weve got to time. So in this case, whos got the clocks and whos got the time larry of russia has both. So the, actually i asked god reader the same exact question on this program and he gave me the same exact answer getting this guy right. So we, we havent coordinate, we didnt coordinate on that, but, but natal does not have the troops to put in to, lets to say that they wanted to back up the Ukranian Army and flow and they dont have it. What weve seen in this latest offensive by the u ukrainians is that they dont have the ability to carry out that attack in depth. What that means is theyre not only hitting the troops that are in front of them, but they wouldnt be attacking russian airfields Russian Artillery and placements. They would be disrupting supply centers in the rear than they would carry that out with fixed wing aircraft rotary wing aircraft missiles. They dont have that. And. And so theyre, theyre really fighting with, with not enough weaponry, not enough armament. And they told us that have the capacity to provide that at the same time, europe is literally is into an economic tell spent the germany in particular. And so the economic elements of this is garland, correctly noted. General winter is coming and so this is going to further limit what the west can do. And yet theyre becoming more desperate. This, that the euphoria over this in consequential retaking of car cough because it was a tactical withdrawal by the russians. They were not being chased down the street with a bunch of angry ukrainian soldiers. They withdrew ukrainians. Come in, theyre out in the open. Its much easier to kill. Thanks maxime. It in the going back to whos got the time and whos got the clocks here. I mean it, at some point i would imagine to me, you know, i, it because of the, its, so propagandized the narrative. Lets, lets kind of unpack it here. I mean, nato countries are supplying arms to kill russians. Okay. So why is russia still exporting energy to europe . Well, i guess this is the question that a lot of people youre in and rusher asked in the sense, you know, it should be understood in the west, which perhaps it is in some circles, but it isnt. And others, there is a lot of pressure on who to take more draconian measures because you have this going to be in the worst guy on the planet. But if you, if you, if you look at it from, from the perspective inside russia, even relatively mild and his actions and a lot of people and a lot of surface or with pressure on the kremlin more decisive way. And you know, you know, you asked about the Energy Supplies in the summer colon for a deliberate destruction of riches and wines of supply of way to nature weaponry to ukraine. Which is, you know, happens just occasionally, but probably not enough or for, you know, because these are members are involving and enabling, bringing offenses and so counter offenses. So i think the, the warnings and this is usually the kind of the protocol for the russian diplomacy. Theres tons of warning coming of problems, and if theyre not listen to then, you know, certain actions follow the same here. I believe that the russian warnings were not taken seriously november and december last year, right in january to last year. And then we ended up with the type of mass were dealing with the day. And again, we see some publications and mainstream us near this. It will russia is blocking. Theyre not going to do anything. And some circles, separate, more pressure on western capitals, including on the button or ministration to supply more lethal weapons tend to be, you know, more open to ball. Theres support for ukraine that would have consequences. As you accurately noted, theater in your introductory remarks. This is the slide that no party can, can afford to lose. And we know when, when, and, you know, if, if we are to talk about the game here, theres obviously, theres no, there is some incentives for to, to be able to find some political settlements. But the way the west is approaching this conflict is that they can win this war of attrition with maxine, i mean, but you know, im sorry and im agreeing with you here. But, you know, we had the entire min one in 2 and we have the same interlocutors, they did nothing, then they were not good faith actors. Why should russia interact with them on, on a political level now . Well, obviously, i dont disagree with you on this one. It was perhaps a way to suggest that the policy makers in washington should look into the approach where they can believe that by over financing ukraine over military supplying ukraine. They can get an upper hand here. And, you know, not charge any thinking in terms of a political settlement. Scary. Now talking about the red lines, demands and things like this. Theres absolutely might be no appetite or political sacrament. Here on that point, theres no appetite for political settlement. 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I, it was already mentioned here in december, the russians sent out 2 notes, all ultimatums, whatever you want to call them, to nato, into the United States. They were turned down. They were not taken seriously about the prospects of a, a military technical reaction to, for russia to ensure its security that was ignored. Then we had february 24th. Then we had the stem bull process. Were lindsley. Zalinski regime appeared to be on the brink of making some kind of compromise to wind the war down. We know now that Boris Johnson and others blew it off, said no, were going to, we wont. If you make a piece, were not going to be backing it. You dont have, we wont have your back. Ok. I mean, and we go all, you know, back 8 years if you want all the way from the qu. So i dont see any kind of settlement here. Theres, you know, just a barrel, which is a buffoon, the chief diplomat for dip for europe. He said that it will be settled on the battlefield. Well, thats one thing i agree with him on. Go ahead girl. I dont necessarily agree with him when that and, and as far as any type of diplomatic settlement, as we say here in, in the black community in america, theres a saying that goes like this, which im, but somebody shows you who they are believe. So the reality is, theyve got to understand that the actual clean for the u. S. Empire is not to get any kind of a settlement. Its to destroy russia, to tear russia to pieces and to seal the resources. You cannot bargain with someone who plans what a she cant bargain with a wolf. They plan to swallow you whole. So, but the issue i think is not the battlefield right now. The weakness of nato, the weakness of each is political and economic. So if russias right now, their strength is to say, well, youve got people in the streets everywhere, theyre not happy. Youve, you just had a, an economic turn turn of events in italy. I mean, political in sweden. So realistically, the, the, the right now, one of the things that i think thats happening with the u. S. Is in pars coalition. You notice i dont say nato, because nato is nothing but an Umbrella Organization for the u. S. To, to, to control europes foreign policy. But right now their concern is that things are falling apart and theyre Colo Coalition is going to fall apart with the anger of the citizens. So i, you know, a lot of people think the battlefield. I dont think thats where this things decided. I think when the people of europe start tearing europe literally brick by brick to pieces on either, there will be new leadership in europe, or there wont be much of your left cold, hungry, angry people are not rational and they can be very violent. Well, larry, i tend to agree with garland, but the americans will turn to the europeans and say, well, you have to suffer. Ok. I mean, you know, they, they, they, thats one of the great mysteries for me. You know, we were, we have solidarity westerns, all the different, the americans, theyll give a hoot what happens to the here a, b, and at all. Okay. And even less so about the ukrainians. Larry right now, know what theyre almost being treated as if theyre some human for the human toll, the spin experienced both by the ukrainians and by the russians along the border with ukraine is, is horrific. But the garland had it right with respect to that when people are cold and hungry, all the other politics disappear. And there is such an enormous disconnect right now between the Political Leadership in europe and in the United States. And between the people, the average citizen, for example, in germany, theyre talking about 3 and 10 businesses of already closed and people are getting hit with utility bills that are 56, sometimes 10 times what they were paying long Family Businesses that endured world war 2. If you can imagine that, like a bakery or being forced to stout m, what is the leadership in germany talking about . Oh, we need to set up a fun to promote more green energy. I mean, good god, this is land us. Well, but thats no, i know they are as larry, i was going to add on top of that is that, you know, now theres talk about giving food stamps to america, American Military personnel because because of inflation and in the same new cycle been neck, ive lost track, i dont know anybody can tell me how many tranches of military aid has been sent to ukraine this year. Ive lost count alaska, under the number and the, the, the dollar price number here. I mean, i its, its amazing it, but im agreeing with larry because this is an elite agenda here. Maxime, you know, were talking about the minutia now. But, you know, your, your geo political thinker, there is no way back. I mean february 24th is a line in the sand. Um because as i said like with mens 1. 00 and 2. 00 which is so obscure to western audiences, you know, this is not the 7th or 8th month of this conflict. This is the 8th year of this conflict. People dont understand that in the west year. But, you know, russia is making a complete re orientation elsewhere. Because why would russia under any circumstances right now, deal with any of these western leaders. Theyre obviously off their rocker. Go ahead, look at the, i have to say, and i think everyone understands that there is just not just one battle going on. But if you battled some few levels of the same time, you know, ukraine is a theater for really new world making and meaning making processes globally, obviously. And you know, one way is that european politicians seek to deal with. It is not to Seek Solutions for the crisis and seek, you know, some kind of deal with russia so to say, but the channel, the anger of their people and my colleagues spoke about to russia, right . Become and buying or sla, lately that you can send me your, you know, bills to moscow shows you that there are no solutions for the problems that people have and names that they want to channel their anger towards rush thats wanting. Secondly, they can, like i said, they believe that they buy more Financial Aid and military hardware to ukraine is a solution or not the solution. And theres a new to the conference that i think theres also where is it likely to fail . Secondly, i think old was when and washington and brussels and other capitals in the west realize that there was a really big a global struggle for the athenians and the hearts and minds of the global south. And the fact that, you know, countries that are not in the west lea, a decisive role. And how, you know, these come to lay out in the welfare of russia. And the west is also telling that there is the era of 990. 00. The kind of the human polar moment is gone and the multiple world is, is in the major. And finally, have to say there is a split between the interest of the United States and europe is the United States has been a lot more pragmatic than the european and exported russian gas in the know and dealing with the prices of oil and exporting other material and resources from russia and trying to hedge their own risks here and then emerge as a quote unquote mediator in the conflict when everyone else is finds themselves in terrible shape. That i think is also spotted in moscow. Yeah, well its really interesting current because the way i look at this here is the big picture of it all the entire e u project and this ridiculous offensive organisation, nato. Its all on the line right now because everybodys all in on this here. Thats why i said in my introduction, one side lose and badly, and thats the stakes that we see right now. The entire e u project i think is its a and then, and nato is at stake here. And the russians know it. Go ahead. Garland. Yeah, because what were seeing is a contradiction and obvious contradiction between the u. S. Empire and the concept of democracy. And so now were seeing that the people in europe are figuring out that they dont have democracy. They dont have independence, they dont have sovereignty, they dont have a leadership that is looking out for their constituency, and theyre not going to be happy about that. I think you also have to look at this through the context worldwide in the u. S. Is trying to up the, the heat on taiwan also. So to some extent, i think we have 3 super powers. I believe we have a fairly responsible government in china, a fairly responsible government in russia and a bunch of med dogs in washington. And that, unfortunately, for russia in china, it is kind of incumbent upon their leaders to usher in a new world order without provoking or get without the getting these mid dogs to a point that they push a nuclear button. I believe it can be done. And i believe thats why russia and china, so its showing so much constraint. I think they understand that and i think they will, they will be able to do that. Ok, larry, take take a swing at that. Thats really interesting. What garland just said there is, are there reasonable enough people in washington to, to get that because were in that the cities trap. Ok. And we see it left right and centre. Are they going to right to make the right make the right decision . Evidence would say they wont go ahead. Larry. Washington is infested with corrupt, little of pushes right out all these tiny, tiny people with tiny, tiny brains running around. What, what does have, what has happened is and gone correctly noted it. The, when history looks back at this period, this will be the formation of a new world order, in terms of the multi polarity. The end of the United States had gemini in the world, the end of the United States, as the holder of the reserve currency. And the United States did it to itself. Russia did not look for this conflict. They didnt try to provoke this. Russia kept looking and thinking, i think im naive lee, that there was going to be some adult in washington d. C. They would step opposite that. Ok, look, lets put all this other nonsense aside. Lets talk. And he couldnt do that. They said, yeah, we can, we can defeat russia. Lets impose sanctions and not a single soul. And the Intelligence Community is the best i can determine, sat down and said, hey, what do we do about the fact that russia is self sufficient economically, and controls a whole range of commodities and minerals and Rare Earth Minerals that we need in the west to survive and there lazy, set them on. The interesting thing is, is it meant russia only makes up 3 percent of g d global g d p. Well, who would have thought that 3 percent was really important . Nobody, nobody sat down to counter the costs. I mean thats was so truly shocking about this. And now there is literally the economics tsunami thats headed our way. Its going to affect the global depression. If anybody thinks that the collapse of the economy and germany, it will just be an isolated event. Then you know that theres no basis to have a discussion with somebody thats stupid. Yeah. Well i dont know. Thats why you know, i dont watch cable tv outside of tucker carlson. All right, gentlemen, fascinating discussion. I want to thank my guests in washington, tampa. And in moscow, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. C. You next time . Remember, cross a ms. Munoz curtis. Imagine if you speak russian, keep your voice down while out and about a couple. Dont put your human symbols on display a guy so you guys dont talk to strangers. 7 i avoid noisy gatherings and run a marsh. 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