A pastor and the guy which will be found on you to the locals. And here in moscow we have to meet bob and shes a political analyst and editor. And you know me, internet media or i generally crossed out rules and back. That means you can jump in the time you want, and i would appreciate it when i start out with george in budapest, georgia. Very simple question. Does the you have a coherent Energy Policy because it seems like, you know, i dont want to use a heat metaphor, but i, well there their hair is on fire talking about how to deal with energy during the summer. In the upcoming winter. They want to cut so dependence on russia, but theyre terrified as i said in my introduction that it can be shut off. I mean, what is it . Go ahead. Thats exactly right. And so we have on the one hand, lion, you president of the commission, we said we are going to cut us off completely from russian fossil fuels. And we will never be dependent on them again. And then the next day, she turns around and uses russia, although withholding energy supplies, you know, holding back gas, you know, and they using gas as a political weapon. So you awesome, well, do you want russian gas or dont you want russian . Yes, you can get a straight answer. I mean, depends on what time of day you ask the question and this is pretty low point. They have been using russia for months and months of using gas as a weapon. When the only people will be using energy as a weapon, as in the, you know, i mean the, you know what they say by russian colon pause, then they say, were not going to have any russian oil info starting in december. And then they close down the stream to before it even started a grain closing off. One of its a go to transport, russia, gas, europe. And then we have the, you know, the, the sanctions coming from canada when a compressor that was needed repairing was sent to siemens in germany, germany center, canada, canada. So no, were not returning it because it sanctioned, as of all the issues being driven from the western end of the propaganda is the somehow in russia is using energy as a weapon. When, when did that happen . Well, a demon, i mean, the real political weapon here has been sanctions. The only thing thats really changed with russian Energy Policy. B, b, europe is that the russians said this, they started charging in roubles, which it makes perfect sense because of the sanctions and the, and then those swift system, russia being shut out. I mean, if they continue paying in dollars or euros it would just be frozen, encompass dated. So, i mean, thats the only significant change. And we all of the upper or over north stream one. Well its, its back in business. Ok, well the gas is flowing again. I mean, it doesnt really make any sense to me what they want to do, and there is no unity in the european union. So what is russia supposed to do . These would be the you have to deal with independent in the, in the, of the individual members of the you because the, you, as a whole, has no coherent policy. What say you the mom . Well, i think sometimes you just lays all the stuff on just a very often they just use this phrase, butcher. Hes using a gas wiper. They dont even add the adjective political. So people have these. Oh, terrible images. Oh wow. Thats a terrible chris said in your so these people i dont even in the way the express does not, but you are the right about the what i would collective incentives. The problem with you is that the song smell is a lot less ration than every member they need to get you. I mean, all that most tragic, more playful. See, dont. So the, you were taken collective. I mean, the situation with russia is just the latest example, the experts in germany, for example, the end of the conference. You know, he says that basically is all 100 percent dependent on russian guess. Bulgaria is almost 100 percent event. This is india. Its dungeon. So even if germany things can provide for and so who is thinking about go get it right. The 2nd, the 2nd such example is syria. Im in the and thats remember all the events develop well key. There were disturbances, there are products in syria and, and do ever so instead, all either stay neutral or how been off in the middle of the road solution. You can elect to really support the position. And we know the result, you know, the civil war that extend gears so all of them was painful because, you know, im terrified voice. Theres no collective though theres no solidarity here. George is in the country right now in hungry. They basically wont say it on this program bit. They went their own way. It was put it that way. George. Yeah, no, that thats right. You back last week, a foreign minister, a go, flew to moscow breaking ranks with the rest of the year and signed an agreement with russia for 700000000 metric tons of natural gas. It is a hungry needs, a gas as a well, were not sharing any of those gas with anyone. With a day off, the European Commission issued this new dig that of demanding the all you Member States reduce a gas consumption by 15 percent. And then that would be a protest from a number of states including spain and portugal, and greece saying, well, why should we come back when our gas use . This is a german problem. It is very much of bob and boss of the way the germans do this. I mean, the germans make these Big Decisions and then they force everyone else to live with. This is, i mean, casing point is of course the, the decision of im going to michael 2015 to start bringing in immigrants into europe, which everyone else or something of an obligation to say, well, have a peculiar understanding of solidarity, dont they have it . We do it. Everybody else that solid arity . Yes. That yeah, exactly. And it back, it was germany that has been very dependent on russian. Yes. And then he was germany that made these extraordinary decisions like counseling, those thing too at the very last moment. And so, and this is why the europeans are now saying, you know, a well, where was germany when we needed them out of the 2008 crisis. 6 and we need a bailout, and suddenly the germans say, well, sorry, we dont have the money to bail anyone out. So now is that the europeans are supposed to. Ready bail germany as well, and also we had, over the last few days, we had threatening to shut a pipeline that was supplying europe that you know, that theyve been agreed to. And so, you know, again, this adds to the quandary here. I mean, russia threatened to cut off energy, but its ukraine. That is reckoning the cut off Russian Energy customers in europe. So i mean, went, wheres the, wheres the angered towards the ukrainians for threatening europe, Energy Security go ahead. Doesnt make any sense. Well, it makes sense, but i was logically, there you go. Thats made, but it may sound well for the, im sorry, it was. What was the war . Just all the states opposing north jim bon, enrolled student to they said that these rush and get has to go. So do you grain or get rochester or, you know, we are wanting to continue to supply through your brain. But that just makes sense to me. Now that you can so i guess no, no, no, no way to deal with. Now that there is basically this terrible confrontation within russia and ukraine. Your brain is charging some of these. I stay in the line what they call the occupied. So i mean, rush to gain weight even though it was doing, i think it was the you that said that usual all rely but you bring bolts to do is use them. Explain to our audience. What does the United States up into . What is your be in energy . Can you like me . Why do they poking their beek into something that is so important . Were not talking about, you know, the size of our condo here. Were talking about people going to be warm in the winter. Youre absolutely right, United States has not, and you know, with this russian drummond pipeline. I mean, what well do is say, i said oh, with a pose a pipeline from canada, United States. Oh, in fact jo, wire them has been doing it for us. Brilliant to you know, and he created the programs in american life, but we never even thought about raising any questions about pipelines between mexico in tonight the tenant, in those days, i think that these things to lead has the right to know to pronounce judgment. One russell drama project to impose sanctions on the companys, participate in it. And before that tonight is they sabotaged and walked against south board, which was basically a app supply and cheap gas got just my grease and recently. Well, in fact, part of the problem with white, reese had this terrible crisis. It could be a weight if they had to rush. Well, it would be, so for you. But it was, you know, they were paying commission and a great extent the United States that basically did everything will be sol, steve, going to never comes a door with. But i guess my question was, when a rhetorical is United States have to do with european Energy Security . Well, its all about money. They want them to buy American Energy when she is being fossil fuels are being attacked in the u. S. So theres only one outcome here, a higher price, so the europeans, when they get up and cheap Russian Energy and paper very expensive gulf in american. And wow, thats a brilliant move, isnt it . Go ahead. We got it. Of course, it makes the europeans very uncompetitive. I mean, youre already has problems with keeping up with east asia, but now the one thing that they had which was very reliable source of energy. And now theyve given that up and theyve done it on the american, russia, they cause they can you grade as come under american, russian, americans who press a membership in a those the americans continue to provoke them to provoke and basically a little hard, right . Right. Really save about ah ah ah ah ah, with a a a get ah welcome back to crosby were all things are considered ib labelle. This is the home addition to remind you were discussing some realtors. Oh it was go back to d. M a here it in moscow from centrally, when we look at a conflict in ukraine, at least for the west a, they, they wont say it out loud, but you know, its not about freedom. Its not about the mob, not about territorial. Thats all, thats what we keep hearing on the airways, but its really about energy here and not fossil fuel energy. Its all about green energy. And ukraine is being used as a segue to push the transition. This is something that, you know, this is a gleeful about it, theyre gleeful about because they, they dont have to bring it to their people and vote on it. Theyll say it just because, you know, rules based order and all of this type of stuff here. But at the same time, and this is what i need to explain, theyre opening up whole mines again and are, well, main natural gas maybe isnt so dirty here. I mean, what are their priorities here . Because if they, on the one hand, you know, its, you know, territorial integrity. On the other hand, its agree new deal. But they keep interweaving in clashing with each other and they cant make up their mind. What is their priority . Uh huh. Well i have, i would say not the privilege but the duty. Ready to read the warning german press, im just read it so we dont have to thank you d a d b side. You know, they the right that 62 percent of the guns for the guns and twice and now they watch themselves a few times a week and a for alissa. Ok. 162 percent of people already believe these crap and you know, the way the government is dealing with people in terms of like, you have to read, you know that the temperature off. You have to watch read. I mean, these people, it use russian channel story period, but we know what he told you the difference between authoritarian and to put it there in the jeeps corridor. Gmc ok, dont publish every day, just on the president by the 20 day in the same same house with watch yourself which theatre waste. You could go to which books you should read, you know how to educate your children. So in this situation, during our walks su, but to put it there in state, they tell their people car, wash, what is wood for their house . There is a very, very strange theory. Now that washing very often makes is bad. Right . And its just the plain and the problem with their in states is that they use ideology, engaged mass against mathematics. I mean in the air force, which is a future or very what management model, their best interest, robert, former handled under. He just gave a mathematical analysis or whats going on that germany has 40 median ca hold 20000000 of them heated by a guest. Rational, gas eco sport. 55 percent is how were going to do without ok. So this is a mathematical question. Then i know what you could answer. What ran it worse for short periods of time, you know, dont use your car, dont use your i dont know what else you know, microwave. I mean, it smacks all the sudden even worse. Well, i mean it, george, i mean, is this going back to the 1840s . I mean, im trying to understand whats going on in the world is a super competitive police. But and, and then we look at the europeans, you know, i mean, what is it, you know, pragmatism isnt ideology. Can they marry the 2 . It seems that they, theyre, theyre, theyre, theyre pushing things that are just diametrically opposed to each other. And the result is cold and lack of productivity and you know, the world passes them by is some kind of back water and this is all done intentionally. Go ahead. Yes, its a short reason. Theres been the seamless transition from lee cove is area now to the the energy steering. I mean, its just you, you dont even notice it. So we was screaming at the end, the back of the non mosque, whereas the people who are protesting against the lock down, you know, they will be good because they refuse to express social solidarity. They were entirely selfish and we were supposed to hate them. So now were rapidly going to be moving into a new era with we hate all those who dont want to share out the energy. I mean, im going to really, in the process, you know, they dont want to share out a gas, and that they can design their own deals with russia. And so this is now the and that everyone who is going to be taking showers of a to long, you know, theyre going to be, i guess thats a new thing. Shower shaming is that, i mean, exactly, you know, people, you know what caused you know, more than once a month. So, you know, if you ever, now its only going to be a fall in be insufficiently for expressing solidarity. And of course, will be put in this, this isnt the how the, you know, this as this kind of this total, its area ideology. No one ever really for the barrel with it is the same. No one really kind of a, you know, to the, from the mental questions about a mental question to what end is all this . Why are we making the sacrifice . No, you just dont get a shop and just get with the program or else. You know, i like to reapply because they can shop too long in the shower. We had 0 with 0 cove and now we have 0 fossil fuel. Ok. Niema. Let me go to you. I mean, usually when these unusual and very strident on demands of people, its during a momentary crisis. Ok moment case. You know, what i mean by that is that, you know, when the crisis will come to an end and you go back to not, this is completely open ended. You start saving 15. Youre, youre told to save 50 percent on energy towards what end. I mean it will that make the situation better . How li alleviated they dont have any answers. Theres no, theres no exit from this. It just seems its going to be a came latoria. Theyre going to me and then 40 percent and 60 percent and the results will be the same. I dont understand what, what theyre driving at what their goal is. Go ahead, my lease. Im sorry, ease. I want to go to the area. I mean, if i use rights, Something Like this of our people are terrified about get, you know, just 19 percent. So since inside their own, the sweet while people with russia have been through so many difficult just them march and war life sustainable. So i mean, this is difficult to look at. The 80 me is so strong that 80 me can make any center crisis. That means that you should be made in 2nd crisis. Ok. 15 percent less. Todays 20 percent less the moral. Dont ask why . Well, if you ask us why it was a, you know, if you asked us, why did we support when you greenwich started before being in 2014 . Dont expect us from austin. Sure. These are the people, you know, we have to see places change. So were not responsible with these people, do they taking their bath in on their own the, their old age and nice, nice, nice groups. You know, i dont ask any questions that ask a question and you know, via and also what is very important to that is you always require prices. And 2nd at that is you always intimidates, you will all die for point. There will be an alignment. If you dont lease them to us and if you dont work with all the water line, it will collapse. You know, so basically let me remind you how people are basically broaden germans into into was you said that we have not enough space off. Let us wrong, if we dont expand into years, were all going to die from. That was a lie because germans on a much more energy also that will create a sustainable economy which fed not only them, but a segue is perfectly the last question i have for george here, youre right. We have the german economic miracle because there was cheap soviet then that later, russian gas. So, george, you know, on a global scale here, the global south is saying, you know, the europeans got really rich because they have access to very cheap fossil fuels, primarily oil and gas. So now theyre looking, theyre stepping up and say, our turn we would like that energy to do exactly what the europeans had and what they are they willing to give up . But well take it in line. Well take it. Thats exactly whats happening. Yes, yes. But the strange thing is that the europeans and the extent the americans are weighted to an e. Ology that is propagated by the World Economic forum and, and they were. And its not entirely clear what the ology is, other than they want to reduce the population of the world. I mean, i back their agenda and green energy, somehow goal in with that of the gender as was the, the fear of pandemic. And, and of course, you know, a people having children or anything like that. So its, its a part of the same things. Are they using this crisis of ukraine, essentially to cause all use the use or the move to the renewable . They know perfectly well there is no way in the world that germany can continue to be an economic out relying on solar panels and, and when theyre pushing it. And you have to think that based on how dont want europe and the United States to be got to the engine will grow. I mean, they want to continue to be prosperous themselves. They dont really want to extend this prosperity to it. It seems, you know, if the europeans want to set an example for the world, thats something that we see here. And, you know, you know, eventually, you know, theyll be carbon chaining in this country uses too much higher. But you know, that, that will be, you know, it will be another reason for nato or to be, are they think theyre too big. Okay. But i mean, but it doesnt work logically because then they become less competitive. They become, or they come more irrelevant. And so everyone, the learning a big that will be dont do what drives you with the grow. Go ahead the last 30 seconds, but you want to get figure magazines were already started all in europe, extremists, all the groups, not only about which are concerned about it, but also about energy crisis. So theyre all extreme. Its now people out and there was one person who said that basically by these already see europe is destroying european main capitalism. That was ego or sanction the yeah, im just go get it. Ah, so i look at, im not saying it on my own, but as i said, it would be better to go magazine. This is all, its steve, this is always seem to back these all conspiracy theories that last right, well i will have his will and youre at least in the winter coming up. Well have cold capitalism. Ok. See how that feels . Ok. Go out. Ok. Im watching themselves a, digging further in to their problems. Its extraordinary to witness gentlemen. Thats all the time we have. I want to thank my guest in budapest and here in moscow when i think our viewers from watching us here are the remember process rules ah ah, move when i was showing wrong, i just dont know. I have to figure out the scene to come to an engagement equals the trail. When so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. Oh most who are show you the most all who are so full is you do with russia is the aggression . No good for answer much about it. I mean, it wouldnt teach him to lose. Its more the worst here. We have any quality for russians and all we gotta do is just read them over the head and just tell them the right way to live near is going to do it. Yeah, just a little bit like you with this phone number with a, with that you share with our susan at the washer, who works well with the watch with with in the headlines this monday off, he gets access to a number of files from a Security Service sting operation showing a failed attempt of Ukrainian Military intelligence to bribe russian pilots defect. Also on the program. All countries of africa have sovereignty, are free to choose their own policies, including foreign policies in the interests of their own people. Those were the words of egypt. Foreign minister, after talks with his russian counts about set, a good love roth is currently on. 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