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Mirror, sports fans. Three new yorkers, walk into a primary, well see how that joke ends. After the frontrunners were defeated by double digits in the badger state yesterday, all the candidates turning their sights to this empire state trying to play up their hometown roots. Hillary clinton did a pair of cable news interviews, at morning joe where she took some jabs at Bernie Sanders, and the later with cnn, where Hillary Clintons approach was anything but subtle. Campaign manager jeff weaver said something interesting, inflammatory, on our air here, saying that you know, the Clinton Campaign, secretary clinton, they need to be careful not to destroy the democratic party, merely in pursuit of her own ambition to be president. Very strong words. Your response to that idea. Well, i mean, its just ludicrous on the face of it. You know, i have been campaigning for democrats, fundraising for democrats, recruiting democrats to run and win for a really long time. I think about 40 years. I understand theyre getting anxious. I get that. But they need to be thoughtful about what they do say. Because at the end of the day, we need a democratic president. He has been campaigning now for a year on his core message of inequality, which i absolutely agree with. And i put forth my own plans. In the interview, it seemed unclear as to whether he understood how i think was a little bit, you know, surprised that there didnt seem to be a lot of substance to what he was saying. So mark, she went after him hard, harder than i think she has gone after him. Do you think she is behaving this way, taking him on more aggressively because she is worried or senses that his jugular is exposed and she can get it. She is not worried. She knows from his campaigns view, she will be the nominee. Shes frustrated. She wants him to stop winning. He is not going to get out of the race if he keeps winning primaries and caucuses. She is trying to go after him, to have him stop winning. Not because she is worried hell get more delegates, but because she wants him out of the race so she can focus on the general election. There are times campaigns center around remarks made by their rivals, and political posturing. If you know Hillary Clinton, she is the policy wonk she is, she is personally offended by how some of sanders responses were. She is like i cant believe this guy, and the double standard we talked about yesterday on the show. If i answered these questions this way, i would be torn apart. I think thats seeping through here. In addition to frustration, she is amazed and probably appalled by how weak sanders was on substance. If he can beat her in new york, it will go to california. Oh, yeah. Hillary clinton will have gained no advantage. Theyll go to june no matter what. She doesnt want that. She wants him out of the race. She is trying to take advantage of what she sees as weakness, and she also knows, i know, at least one of her advisors know, and she probably does too, new york is a place where if you arent playing offense, youre playing defense. For sure. They want to go after sanders on the looming debate and the new york media. I do think that it is the case that they know this will be a competitive state, but unlike in wisconsin, where they said early, they thought they were in trouble and being honest about it, i think the extent to which they think its competitive, theyre overstating. Theyre confident that theyre going to beat him here and she is going for the jugular. Speaking of Bernie Sanders, the vermont senator pulled off a big win in wisconsin. 57 to 43 . It got him 47 delegates. She took 36. His victory speech and today, appearing on television. Sanders campaign saying theyve got the momentum and secure the nomination this weekend, while the Clinton Campaign saying the delegate math makes it improbable. Going forward, if you were making the best case for sanders being the democratic nominee, how does it play out . He does win here in new york, despite i think she is the frontrunner here for sure. And that that momentum out of wisconsin and new york carries him forward to surprising victories like pennsylvania, where the race is actually surprisingly close, maybe in new jersey, im not saying theyre high likelihood, but the best Case Scenario for him. Ride the momentum and win the states and get close enough in the pledged delegates he can start making the argument he is a better candidate in the general election than trump or cruz. You know what sinatra said, if he can beat her here, he can beat her any where. He is not going to get out of the race, but he needs relatively big wins, starting with new york, and he needs some prominent super delegates to express doubts about her. Mythical matchups against the republicans, and then he probably needs another intervening event. Something with the email investigation, something with the clinton family. Something else that causes democrats to say wait a minute. Maybe we should go to the Convention Like the republicans are doing, and have this out as a family in philadelphia. If youre playing it out from Sanders Point of view, if he didnt close to pledged delegates on the super delegate front, is that what theyre designed to do to keep someone who is unelectable. Right now in most head to head polls, he is performing better than her against republican rivals. Some cases substantially. If youre making the case from his side, in theory, thats a power of argument. Hey, look, im better than she is in a general election. Morning joe interview, when joe asked Hillary Clinton should Bernie Sanders get out, she said well, i remember when people forced me to get out. I tried to do. I was doing well. I didnt want to get out. So rather than trying to force him out, as long as he keeps winning, she cant argue he should be out of the race with explicitness. After his whopping win in wisconsin, marginalizing john kasich, set up a oneonone with him and donald trump. Cruz was in the bronx, after his victory speech last night. He stood before the new york media to unveil antitrump framing for the New York Primary and beyond. Donald can always be counted on to take the high road and to demonstrate class. If he wants to engage in insults, he is welcome to do so. He gets very angry when the voters reject him. The day before yesterday, donald trump promised a quote, big victory in wisconsin. And not only did he not get a big victory, but the men and women of wisconsin resoundingly rejected his campaign and the reason is simple. Donald has no solutions to the problems were facing. He likes to yell and scream and insult and curse. If you want to know what liberal Democratic Values are, follow Donald Trumps checkbook. He has been funding these policies. So mark, you were there, in the bronx today. You saw that event today. Im going to ask you the same questions. Given everything going on, what is the best Case Scenario now in the long run overall for ted cruz . He is emphasizing both his antitrump message, but also the economy. He has got to become a poplous. He says Bernie Sanders is right. The rich have gotten too rich under barack obama. Needs an economic message, antitrump message, and he needs to win. He needs to win and keep winning in some states. Wisconsin cannot be the one. Northeast for the most part in the next month, its going to be tough for him to win, but he has to do surprisingly well and win. He has to win indiana. I think if he can somehow pull off a win in pennsylvania, Rick Santorum won statewide, its not impossible, win a couple of those states, win a bunch of the most conservative Congressional Districts in california, be able to force a contested convention, and then with the strength of his organization, put himself in a position where he can say the party is rejecting donald trump. He is not a real conservative. Youve got to come to me, because im number two. Underground work of lining up delegates both pleged and unpledg unpledged. Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. Tiaa. Being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. 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A man who built an empire, pivots here in the empire state, polls have him leading with more than double the numbers of the two remaining rivals, kasich and cruz. John, should kasich and cruz do today, kasich done during the week, campaigning here in new york . Theyre in different places, kasich and cruz. There are some districts, and well talk about this more in detail. The rules are that if you get over 50 and the others get below 20, you can get all the delegates. I think john kasich, if i were him, delegate accumulation business as a wise person pointed out, i would move on and start thinking about rhode island, pennsylvania, spend my limited resources in those places. I think ted cruz, there are places he can fight here and pick up some delegates. Its a tough choice. If you dont campaign here, youre left out of the narrative. But trump will kill in this state, barring some change, i dont care what kind of trump slump there might be. Hell maybe win every delegate from the state. Maybe. So to come here, youre not going to spend money on broadcast television, tar guege the individual districts, neatly aligned with media markets, so i think theyll be here some, but man, trump is in a really strong position. Private polling that shows him well above 50, and it is spread out across the state. He is not a city candidate. In fact, the city is some of the weakest. We asked one of our crack staff, the political reporter, generally, the places trump would be weakest are the places most highly educated, a lot of those places are in manhattan, and cruz evangelical will not play particularly well. It might just make sense, in fact, to just say donald is a new york guy, and have cruz and kasich get the hell out of here. Cruz and kasich both won their home states and made a big deal out of it. I think trump will get at least 50 statewide. Do television interviews, try to make a case. Stay in the conversation. Exactly. But i think theyre making a mistake to come here and pick off delegates. The story in two weeks will be trump rump. We all know the Trump Campaign Cruz Campaign is sophisticated about this thing. Whether well see cruz do things, where he goes, basically theyll fly and get out of here. The narrative, momentum, and delegate game, it is a zone here for anybody all right, after ted cruz won in wisconsin, its becoming increasingly likely were looking at a contested convention come july in cleveland. Trump and cruz, not particularly the most popular guys in washington, d. C. , and as the party braces for a tense week out there in rock and roll city, some in the establishment are looking for a white knight. This morning, the editor of the weekly standard, bill kristol was asked about this very question on morning joe. Two or three republicans that could, if not paul ryan, could get in there . Do we go back to the jebs, t marcos . No, i dont think so. Statesman like type. None of it is quite right, you know. Who is this person . None of them are quite right. If john kyle, condi rice more conservative, you know what, this guy is or woman is a seriously its hard to come up with a name. Bill kristol does not want donald trump to win at all. Like anyone else, theyre praying for a contested convention. Why are they have a hard time coming up with the answer theyre begging for. They want the scenario, they need a white knight, why cant they name them . Its hard. Theyve ran and failed. Theyre out. A lot of people think that. You need to be someone who the establishment will like and the tea party will like, and who trump and cruz, if not themselves, at least some of their forces would say yeah, that person would be really good. Ive been racking my brain. I brought up dick cheney, i was laughed at. Bush 41. To me, its ryan. Kristol. Did you say bush 41. Yeah. Ryan is the answer. Nobody else. I dont know why its so hard to answer that. For a lot of republicans, i dont know why bill kristol has a hard time with it. Paul ryan is the likely answer. The only one. The ryan people will beat me up and say its not going to happen, but for the same reasons he was a consensus choice for speaker, he has some moderate positions on immigration, et cetera. The dude is really conservative. He is really conservative. He is really conservative. Paul ryan would go into a general election, ready. Right. Picking up from a standing start at the convention. Look, not only that he has run a National Campaign before, he was actually for a lot of conservatives, he was reassuring when romney put him on the ticket back in 2012. He is tested in that sense, and he would have gone he could have a fresh start without having to be totally green, right, in terms of a National Campaign. I think he is the ideal answer. With all due respect to priebus, ryan said he was not interested, until the moment when if there a deadlock, they turn to the man from janesville. Coming up, we kickback into cruz control, talking to nbcs hallie jackson, about the cruz future, right after this. Were born here. Sending them into the wild wouldnt be noble. It could be fatal. When they freed keiko, the killer whale of movie fame, the effort was a failure and he perished. But we also understand that times have changed. Today, people are concerned about the Worlds Largest animals like never before. So we too must change. Thats why the orcas in our care will be the last generation at seaworld. There will be no more breeding. Were also phasing out orca theatrical shows. Theyll continue to receive the highest standard of care available anywhere. And guests can come to see them simply being their majestic selves. Inspiring the next generation of people to love them as you do. 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But in gotham, nothing is simple. God bless you, we support you. Security is right behind you. Poorest Congressional District in the united states. It was, as you can see a media madhouse. He had to push through a warm of media. Shouted, reporters got shoved, questions in multiple languages. I got hit in the head with a camera. Par for the course in new york. Here with us now, one of the reporters who also deserves combat pay, hallie jackson, who covers cruz. For the record, not my camera that hit you in the head. So you say. Allegedly. One of your many cams that was there almost hit me in the head. So you asked about what i was going to ask about if i had been called on, which is cruz talking about new york values as a negative thing. How does a guy who trashes new york, including today a little bit, mostly trash new york liberals. Thats what it is. Appealing to new yorkers. For two and a half months, you said it mark and you heard it from him today. He is shifting a little bit, right. He is calling it liberal Democratic Values that just so happen to be here in new york. So he is trying to make the case to conservatives in places like western new york. Which is another place he talked about. Did you notice that . He said, hey, people in western new york, they get what im talking about. Its the same argument that he made against donald trump months ago and talked about pennsylvania, which is another place he wants to go and compete. The Campaign Sees this as the second phase in its strategy now, that cruz has been able to show with wins in iowa and utah, he can bring together the evangelical vote, the conservative vote and they need to show and theyre hoping wisconsin proves that, they can pick up moderates, conservatives, bring together the 60 they say of the Republican Party who wants to try to stop donald trump. So cruzs people are smart, right, a smart campaign. Well organized. Well organized. Weve got a situation we talked about earlier on the show. The Congressional Districts that have the highest education level, and therefore, maybe less prone to the trump message, are basically in the five bureaus, right around here. So these are not particularly hospitable areas. What does cruz do to unlock the demographic and geographic riddle that is new york. First acknowledging as the Campaign Said to me, this a bumpy road for ted cruz. I dont i think they think theyre going to beat donald trump. The strategy seems to be, number one, play in geographic locations. Hell be in albany tomorrow, up state, focus on the areas, but also look at places that have a smaller number of republicans, conservatives within the district and then use that organization that youre talking about to drill down and get out the vote efforts and do that mantoman coverage that the campaign likes to do to turn those conservatives out to vote for cruz. He talks in wisconsin about jobs. That was one of the three buzzwords. Today, he mentioned unlocking the potential of the economy. Is he saying anything specific on what he would do. He is drilling down the message when it comes to, we saw it am wisconsin, right, youre right, he had a whole new slogan. You saw it a little bit, job security and freedom. He is using that, it was a move for him in wisconsin to appeal to some of that industrial midwest industrial conservative. Now, i think what youre seeing is a move to coalition based campaigning. So youre going to see him talking to you saw him for the women for ted cruz event with heidi. Does he ever talk about his tax plan. Yeah he absolutely does. He does all the time on the stump. Flat tax is something that you hear, not just from cruz, but people who like him. I spoke with somebody recently, back in wisconsin, hey, i like trump and cruz, i like but the issue of taxes is really important to me. I want a flat tax. My producer and i said to him well you know thats ted cruzs policy. Did he mention the flat tax in his speech last night. In his speech last night . I didnt hear it. Let me pull up it up on my phone. Without any specifics about what you do to bring about jobs. I think youre going to see more of that moving forward. Again, once he did the bio graphical message, youll see him talk about this more but aiming the message members of the africanamerican community, hispanic community, like you saw him doing in the bronx today. Some discussion a few weeks ago about the notion that cruz and kasich my covertly collaborating because of the nature of the challenge that they face. Now of course cruz is saying i want john kasich out of the race. Is there any chance theyll end up working together . Im told no. But the bottom line is when you have the same goal, which is not to let donald trump get the nomination, youll get to the same end if you end up there. What i found out interesting, they only started modeling out kasich in the last couple of weeks. The fact that he is still in the race is different than they expected as far as this point were at on the campaign. Hallie jackson. Is that all we get . Youre always welcome. The show is only an hour. Coming up, i thought you were going to call me buba, and other great moments in campaigning history. Youll love this clip. Stay tuned, right after this. Moderate to severe Crohns Disease is tough, but ive managed. Except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. And when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe Crohns Disease. And that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. And many achieved remission. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. 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Who view their role as trying to provoke, prod candidates, and you also have players in the form as mario cuomo, who like to meddle a little, like were seeing with bill de blasio. I think clinton, by the end of the process, liked what happened in new york. As it was going on, as he had been heckled and everything else, he wasnt having a new york kind of time. Ive got to play devils advocate. But like i went to this cruz event in the bronx. There was no reporters, there were three questions, two of them were from National Reporters. In my day, if two National Reporters tried to dominate after the big win last night there would have been a revolt. I dont see a tabloid, isnt this toned down, slimmed down New York Primary as compared to 1992 . Well, sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. You also have local talk radio in new york in the 90s that you dont have now. But i think there is a story that youre missing here. H this is the first time in our lifetimes that a republican primary is going to matter at all in any way, shape or form. Now, i think listening, you think trump has it in the bag. But remember, there are 400,000 republican registered republicans in new york city, to whom nobody has ever made the slightest gesture, ever, ever, were not talking about, i mean, except for running for congress, no one has ever looked at them, no one has ever talked to them. Mccain and bush a little bit. A little bit. But from 2012, you have districts, five, you know, Congressional Districts in which 3,000 people voted in the republican primary. I mean, 3,000 people. You know, the possibilities of playing retail politics games here on the part of trump, cruz and kasich, thats never happened before in new york. Adam, from 3,000 miles away, but watching closely, what do you think Bernie Sanders potential is to make mischief for Hillary Clinton in the next two weeks here. I think its high. I think one of the reasons is because the new york tabloid culture. They like stirring it up, sticking it to clinton. Bernie sanders gets it. I think the other side, and this is important, you know, bill clinton excuse me, Hillary Clinton and donald trump know the new york culture that were talking about. I still think it exists. I think its still early there. They know how to play it. Thats going to matter a lot. We saw the shortfalls, not really getting it, when sanders did the daily news interview and what i would say in temperament remarks. He ran into arthur brown. If youve been around new york, those guys are legends, and maybe not getting up to the bronx like they used to, but theyre still factors. They know their stuff. Can i make a contrary argument, which is daily news, the daily news interview was a disaster for sanders, if you assume that the sanders voter cares about issues. This is the reverse mirror image of trump. Theyre not voting on issues. They are voting on one thing or two things. Theyre voting on feeling screwed, pitch forking the banks. This guy cant be president , he doesnt know anything. He is babbling about nothing. And yet, here sanders is having one, you know, six straight. He just won a primary in wisconsin. He is polling 10 or 11 points behind hillary. Thats the point, in the culture of the new york hot house media, maybe it doesnt deter sanders voters, but it gets hillary voters stoked up. Thats the question. The question is how stoked are hillary supporters any where. In wisconsin last night, her voters, her voters in the exit polls said that 13 were enthusiastic about her being president. 13 . So i dont know that there is stoking. I dont know that they are stoked. Thats the big question. Ill ask you both this question. Ill start with you adam. Again, youre 3,000 miles away, but you covered Hillary Clinton in this state. Its now a decade since she was elected statewide, elected twice, senator in 2000 and 2 oh 006. Is she vulnerable here in a significant way . I would not assume, i think thats a great question. I would not assume for a second if i was in brooklyn that she has a hold. She has to work for it. The advantage as we were saying before, she lived through the campaign. She gets the culture, so she knows. In addition to winning with her husband, she has run two campaigns, so three campaigns. So she knows it. I dont think there is a hard connection among new york voters. There was for bill clinton and mario cuomo. If i had a choice, i would rather be her than Bernie Sanders in this culture that were talking about. John, let me ask you this question, just as a matter of what you would do if youre Hillary Clinton. Bernie sanders will come here, he is going to have huge rallies, 15,000 people. He has done one like this. She will never have crowds like that. What does she do to counter the perception that Bernie Sanders will walk, show up in new york and be generating all this enthusiasm very visibly in front of the Media Capital of the world. I would do a lot of media. I would talk to every columnist, go on the brian lear show, exactly those, you know, sort of moderate to liberal voters in new york city who to remind them how they like her. I would, you know, and i would play that card. I think she also needs to boost her vote among africanamericans. In some of these northern states, in wisconsin last night, its not bad to get 71 , but in the south, she was getting 92 of the africanamerican vote. If she can get the number up, shell be solid. I dont think there is any relevant indication that she has that, you know, incredibly High Percentage in the bank. Weve got to go in a second. Will we see trump ride the subway or eat a knisch before the primary. Yes on subway, no on knisc. I say no on subway. Knisch, maybe. Use a fork . Him, i dont know. He doesnt have high tastes. He does use a fork. Please come back to new york, please, in the next few weeks. We need you here. Thank you, john. Please stay here. We need you here too. Coming up, talking politics with tavis smiley. If youre watching us, you can listen to us on the radio on 99. 1. Well be right back. Geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. I use whats already inside me to reach my goals. So i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating whats within me. With onceweekly trulicity. Trulicity is not insulin. It helps activate my body to do what its supposed to do release its own insulin. Trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. I take it once a week, and it works 24 7. It comes in an easytouse pen and i may even lose a little weight. Trulicity is a onceweekly injectable prescription medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. It should be used along with diet and exercise. 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The numbers are in her favor, but this race is, i think still bernies i wont say its bernies to lose. Thats putting too much on it. But i think that if he can pull up the upset in new york, weve got a fight on our hands. Every other weekend, you cover this more than anybody, every other week, i keep going back and forth if were going to have one or two contested conventions. I dont know what the answer to that is. Part of the reason Hillary Clinton has built such a large delegate lead is because she did so well, particularly in the south, large africanamerican population, right. She has overperformed much better than he has with africanamericans. Do you think thats merited . Is that earned on her part . Some of it is. No doubt the clintons had a good relationship, have had for many years with africanamericans. Some good and some bad in this. These are public servants, not perfect servants. Michelle alexander wrote a piece that she doesnt deserve the black vote. Clintons let africanamericans down. Bill clinton went to the naacp to apologize. Black judges, any president prior to him. For that matter, all president s combined i think prior to him, clinton still appointed more black judges. It is a good news bad news story. Some of it is merited. On the other hand, i dont like it. I dont like it when black voters are taken for granted or ignored by the other party. I think she learned the last time around, when you expect a co co cornnation, you find yourself in a dogfight this time around. President obama will be more aggressive, speaking on her behalf. How big a factor do you think he can be in a general election, where his Approval Rating is, and he has become much to his annoyians a divisive figure . I dont know what his impact will be to the brilliant point you just made. The numbers are what they are. With the africanamerican vote, i have found that its not an automatic conclusion that one can draw that just because a black person says vote for this person, that all black folk are going to do that. There is a huge difference, i feel like you guys already know this stuff of course, but there is a huge difference between barack obama being on the ballot and barack obama campaigning for somebody on the ballot. I think the clintons, these are smart people running her campaign. They have to know that there is automatically going to be a drop in the africanamerican turnout, just because this brother is not on the ballot. How much, how much that drop is going to be, i do not know. How much harder they have to work to make sure the turnout is significant to push them over the top i dont know the answer to that. So Bernie Sanders is more in tune with the Democratic Base on a wide variety of issues than Hillary Clinton, and thats parts of why he has been able to generate so much enthusiasm. If you had been asked at the very beginning of the sanders campaign, listen, we know were on the right side of the base, but we have a demographic problem, what should i do . What would have you advised him to do . How would have assessed what was obviously going to be a challenge for him. The New York Times as you saw wrote a good piece the other day, some of the missteps in the sanders campaign. The article hit the nail on the head. They started too late. That would have been my advice. If you are not known by the africanamerican community, if youre trying to take on the person who thinks, again, she is the presumptive nominee, you better get out there and you Better Campaign like they vote in chicago, early and often. And thats what he didnt do. So what you see now, and i think, you know, the story is pretty clear, had he gotten out earlier, he might have had Better Success with black voters who are obviously going to be key in this election, because on the issues john, on the issues, he is speaking right to where black voters live. He is speaking truth to power on the issues that matter, but hard to make up for lost time when people just dont know who you are. When the bets have been made and quite frankly, the depth of the political establishment has lined up behind secretary clinton. Who would be a tougher candidate in your view, ted cruz on donald trump . I think both lead america in the wrong direction. If im the Clinton Campaign, i do not want to face donald trump. Why. Because the conventional wisdom left the train station. Its a wildcard. Trump is unpredictable. Tavis, thank you very much. New book tavis has out, 50 for your future, lessons from down the road. 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Follow the money, but if you followed the money here, you wouldnt necessarily find the winner, right, because the majority of dollars spent on the republican side, or on or behalf two candidates arent in the race any more, and donald j. Trump, the leader has only spent 18 million on Television Advertising. Lets look back, wisconsin, the two under dogs won. What was spending like there overall . So wisconsin, 8. 4 million was spent on Television Advertising. 3. 4 million on the democratic side. 5 million on the republican side. Interestingly, going back to that National Numbers for a second, overall, bernie has out spent hillary 59 million to 51 million. His advantage in wisconsin was more pronounced sanders spent 2. 4 million on television, and the Clinton Campaign spent 1 million on television. More players more pregnafragmen the republican side. Trump or not trump. Trump spent 500,000 in wisconsin. And not trump spent 4. 5 million, not all of the not trump was antitrump. Some was pro cruz and pro kasich. But a big chunk of that was focused negatively on the donald. Ken, was there any outside democratic money spent in wisconsin, or all the two campaigns . Not only was there no outside money in wisconsin spent on behalf of the democrats, but basically been no outside money at all in the democratic race to date, whereas on the republican side, the majority of the spending has been outside money. Big difference. Big difference, yeah, absolutely. Because as we keep talking about it, at least for me, it never gets old, candidates get a lot more for their buck than the outside groups do. So ken, weve got wisconsin in the rearview mirror, weve got the state we live in and love the most, new york, what is the ad picture as we head into the primary two weeks from now . Well, not much. As you may have noticed in the city that you know and love, things are a little pricier in gotham than they are in my former home state of wisconsin. On advertising buy in new york city would be 15 or 20 times more expensive than an advertising buy in milwaukee. So if the Cruz Campaign spent 1 million in wisconsin, they need to spend 15 or 20 million if they want to play with the same number of impressions in new york. So so far, we havent seen any buy yet on the republican side. On the democratic side, sanders has a fairly modest buy of 670,000 and we just got word of an even more modest buy on the clinton side, not in new york city, mostly upstate, but only about 130,000 that she has placed. Do you expect either parties contest to have a lot of Television Advertising or just too expensive . Well, i think its the ultimate tell. I think you guys from talking a little bit before if you were the strategist for each of the campaigns, especially on the republican side, would you even play in new york, and how heavy would you play. And i have to believe that that are the decisions being made in the inside meeting in the Cruz Campaign or in the super pacs that are supporting him, because you cant play a little bit in new york. If youre going to go in with television, its got to be a lot of money. It may just not be the best use of their buck. They may want to save their dollars for other primaries down the line. All right, Ken Goldstein, you are as always, pretty much a genius. Happy to have you. When we come back, engage in some hypotheticals with a game we like to call engaging in hypotheticals, after this. Soup and sandwich and cannonballs and clean and real and looking good and sandwich and soup and a new personal best. And a little help and soup and sandwich and udy group. Good, clean food pairs well with anything. Try the clean pairings menu. At panera. Food as it should be. At ally bank, no branches equals great rates. Its a fact. Kind of like grandkids equals free tech support. 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And guests can come to see them simply being their majestic selves. Inspiring the next generation of people to love them as you do. Now its time for americas favorite game show. Engaging in hypotheticals. All right, heres the thing. Were going to engage in a little hypothetical. Youre given the opportunity to tell a candidate to go to the place that most exemplifies new york pizza. Where would that be . Sacos pizza on 54th and 9th avenue. Dont eat it with a fork. Eat it with a spoon. Paul ryan becomes the nominee as the white knight. Who does he pick as the running mate. Not whoopie goldberg, certainly nikki haley, a person of color on the ticket to hopefully expand the republican base. Ryan and hailey. He doesnt pick mitt romney, ill tell you that. Head to bloomberg politics. Com. Until tomorrow, for mark and me, we have one word to say, the same word we always say, and thats sayonara. Coming up hardball with Chris Matthews. The battle of new york. Lets play hardball. Good evening, im Chris Matthews back in washington. In a few minutes, donald trump will speak for the First Time Since his double digit trouncing out in wisconsin last night. Can he still present himself as a winner in november, after such a beating in april . Can he convince the big shots in his party that its better to live with him, as the president ial nominee than to die in the explosion should they reject him in cleveland. The polls light up the situation face bid republican leaders, a