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Please welcome americas mayor, Rudy Giuliani [crowd response] hello, everyone. It seems to me. We dont wanna find out three weeks from now even more proof that this election was stolen, do we . Crowd no who hides evidence . Criminals hide evidence [cheers and applause] if youre surprised by the decline and fall, or really more crash and burn, of Rudy Giuliani, you havent been paying attention. This is a man who has a consistent willingness to play with fire when its towards his benefit. Good to see you. Thank you all for coming. The reason the morale of the Police Department of the city of new york is so low is one reason and one reason alone David Dinkins who is Rudy Giuliani . Hes the antichrist. He is the person who set us on a path of ruin. Youre all terrific. He struck me as a pretty smart man who had some basic understandings of the law that were completely twisted and distorted in service of. The cult master. Rudy giuliani is. The greatest new yorker in the history of the city of new york. Rudy is a takecharge type of individual. Rudy giuliani was the crusader for truth. Congratulate the Police Department. There doesnt have to be a shared truth. There doesnt have to be shared facts. Theres not a thing in the world wrong with hating. And ill be damn straight that im gonna hate him enough that we do something about him. We have no idea if they really are ballots. Lets have Trial By Combat there is just america [crowd cheering] what happened to it . Stop that. No quiet quiet i saw god out on the block today he was darker than the preachers say with a teardrop tattooed on his face and dirt in his fingers i heard angels when he laughed the way that people do when they have known true pain for his sins i dont know who to blame what choice was he given . In this world that were livin when i see you, i see you i see love i see love i see america i see love when i see you, i see you i see love i see love i see america [birds twittering] ladies and gentlemen, how are ya . Good. It got a little cooler. Thats nice. Thank you. Thank you for clearing up a little. Its nice to be in binghamton. And andrew has been here quite a bit. And i know binghamton quite well from coming here many, many times when i was a law student. Crime has to go down now democrats have ruined this state enough. Give us a chance. [carousel music plays] Andrew Giuliani, the son of the former new york city mayor Rudy Giuliani, wants to be the next governor of new york. Guys, how you doing . Guys, thank you very much. How do you feel, andrew . Thank you. Thank you. Polls will be closing across the state in the next five minutes. And we anticipateyes. [crowd whooping] [whooping, horns tooting]. Of over 3,000 votes, andrew has increased his lead all whoo how are you . Good to see you again. Good to see you. How you doing . Everyone, give a warm new york cheer for Andrew Giuliani new york truly is at a crossroads, ladies and gentlemen. We know that. We all know the problems. And we know the solutions. All whoo and i wanna thank somebody who i love with all my heart, americas mayor Rudy Giuliani. [crowd cheering] lets go rudy rudy, we love you rudy rudy hes back thats good. I think the January 6th Committee is a committee made up mostly of proven liars. All the time. Dont you care about our country . That flag right there means democracy democracy is what it means you fascist go to hell you traitor the protesters and those who have adulation, i think the thing that you realize is the person that theyre looking up to or protesting is just a man also. Andrew giuliani is the guy to vote for if you wanna see the kind of changes that donald trump brought about for the country, that i brought about for the city of new york, and that Ronald Reagan, who was my boss, brought about for the country. Like it used to be. I remember, cause i was part of that. [jazzy music] rudy was very clear that he was a throwback. The old ways of doing things were okay with him. And he was unapologetic about it, which is, of course, part of that whole style, is that this is the way it is, and this is the way its supposed to bethats rudy. Taxi so its this sepia toned 1950s workingclass neighborhood where families were tightknit these were ethnic families largely and to a large extent, kinda framed his vision of new york. Raised in a very tightknit italian family in flatbush, who was linked to the mob. Robinson is the first of his race to be honored with admission to the shrine of the national game. He was an only child, and he was a yankee fan in flatbush. A murderous hitter. You know, the time when the Brooklyn Dodgers were here. Always said that he got beat up. I happen to think that you should get beat up if youre a yankee fan, you know, in brooklyn at that time. [somber music] i learned very early in the game that the community that i represented was where Rudy Giuliani was born and raised. His parents were married in the church right on the corner of Nostrand Avenue at lincoln. Like donald trump, Rudy Giuliani was a guy from not the wrong side of the track, but the wrong side of the river. They were both borough guys who always wanted to make it in manhattan. But the allegation, as i recall it, was that his father was a mob knee breaker, and that he always kept that hidden. Your father was a boxer, an amateur boxer, wasnt he . Thats correct. And he wanted you to be a boxer too. Well, he actually never admitted that he did. But, uh, but i think he would have been happier if i were a boxer than almost anything else, because i would have fulfilled his ambition. My father had very, very strong moral views about being honest and would give me long lectures about money and never making money the centerpiece of your life and you can be destroyed if you do. His father was arrested for the Armed Robbery of a milkman. He robbed the milkman, made him pull down his pants, he got caught and he did time, and he was broke. F i mean, youre talking about a guy, who used to scream about parole, right . When he was the mayor, mr. Anticrime mayor, he would scream about parole. I have supported for a long time, eight or nine years now, the bill that has passed the senate on two occasions that would do away with parole and eliminate parole in all federal cases. Hes driven by a desire to, in part, cover up some of the things about the criminal past in his own family. I think, in some level, hes slightly ashamed of what he comes from. That kinda chip on his shoulder. Which was, you know, latently there, you know, fully expressed itself. You know, i used to get into a lot of trouble yeah . When i was a kid in Grammar School and in high school. Lucky, i had brothers and nuns who kinda straightened me out. [birds twittering] catholicism was enormously important for rudy. They call brooklyn the borough of churches, right . I mean, theres catholic churches everywhere. It was very important in kind of framing his. Kind of his moral vision. His moral vision could be very and i say this in nonracial terms black and white, right . I mean, he saw darkness and he saw light. And that reflected, i think, a certain risk of oversimplifying a certain catholic vision. Being religious doesnt mean you kowtow to every teaching of the church, but it was part of it, and it was the way he was brought up and was critical to his moral compass. Faith and patriotism are pretty much one and the same. This is an identity that was forged in the 1950s. A lot of sociologists have written about it. It was seen as an anchor for social life, family life, political life all contingents. And rudy was very much cut from that cloth and made no bones about it. Im gonna make white people feel safe here. They believe in an autocratic form of leadership where one white man is the boss. I wanna introduce Rudy Giuliani, and maybe ill ask rudy to say a few words. Well let you set the priorities so we can have a very, very close working relationship. Theres no appeasing people like rudy. Theres no appeasing people like trump. There are people whose core value is white supremacy. [edgy, percussive music] vo this is sadie. Shes on verizon. The network she can count on. And now shes got myplan. The Game Changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants, and save on every perk. Sadies getting her plan ready for a big trip. Travel pass, on. 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One of our classmates, who at that point i dont think any of us would have predicted was gonna be a politician, was Rudolph Giuliani. All Freedom Freedom somewhere, i read of the freedom of speech. In our last few months of law school, Martin Luther king, april 4, 1968. Somewhere i read. Assassinated. That the greatness of america is the right to protest for rights. It is possible he has Robert Kennedy in june of 68killed. Senator kennedy has been shot. [shouting, gunfire] early in 1968, the North Vietnamese launched the tet offensive. Major cities in the south were attacked. When vietnam came around, he took whatever deferment he could grab. Its not like he stepped up for his country and felt he had to follow the flag. Liftoff we have a liftoff. It was the transformation period for my generation. When i finished law school in 1968, i had changed. I changed because america was going through a transformation to create inclusion, equality, freedom, justice for all. But i dont think rudy changed very much during those three years. And when i look back on it, that was a missed opportunity. This guy is somebody whos an opportunist and whos always been very able and willing to adjust to whatevers coming, you know, politically, and to sign on whats next. He was an independent until reagan got elected, brought him down to washington, right . All of a sudden, rudys a republican. If you look around, i think his mother at one point said, hes not really a republican. He just wanted those jobs. [laughs] so. We can continue this in a rudy was always expedient. And rudy understood politics. Rudy was appointed by reagan. He was not above understanding what one needed to do to serve that master, that is a political master. They should be followed. They must be followed. He knew how to play from a pretty early time a pretty good game of political hardball. Weve lost any ability to control the people that come into the United States. Thats the reagan administrations opinion on immigration policy, as expressed by associate attorney general Rudolph Giuliani. He says reagans policy of detention and interdiction of Haitian Refugees has been a deterrent to new arrivals. He saw black people pretty much as offenders. His attitude toward the haitians, what he did to them, people remember. The whole idea of corralling people, putting em in the Krome Detention Center down in florida everglades. One of those persons that is in detention is not in jail, because any one of them can easily leave and go back to haiti. I think he is possessed with the anger of the exile. I think his family ran away from black people, from brooklyn. He looks out the window of his manhattan office, he can see across the river to brooklyn where he was born. When he was six, the family moved to the suburbs in long island. East flatbush was a workingclass, middleclass jewish, irish, italian neighborhood that, within a very fast amount of time, like, maybe 15 years, had transitioned to becoming a workingclass, lowermiddleclass, mainly west indian, also haitian, neighborhood. I reminded him. I said, the community that i represent is the community that your forbearers came and lived in. And i said, weve purchased their old houses that they didnt take care of. And we have redone those houses, and we live in them right now. And the only thing that have changed in that neighborhood is the accent and the color of the people. The institutions stay, but the people change. Just different kinds of people are gonna be going there. And thats gonna be a haitian immigrant. Its not gonna necessarily be, you know, an italian kid from brooklyn. So theres like this disconnect. Hes like a new york city guy who never goes back to the place where he started. Immigration has been the engine that drives america. And immigration is driven by peoples aspiration to growth and development and economic opportunity. Stop em at the border, and arrest the people that are here illegally. We have some bad hombres here, and were gonna get em out. Next tonight, we have a profile. Our subject is Rudolph Giuliani, United States attorney for the Southern District of new york. In order to get this job, giuliani took a demotion. He had spent two years at the Justice Department in washington, overseeing all the u. S. Attorneys in the country. Now, hes one of them. Giuliani decided to sacrifice the policymaking power for a more handson position. Its one of the most important federal prosecutors offices in the United States. A good number of that, 73. If youre intent on kinda making your bones as a prosecutor and setting out on a political road from there, there are very few places you could go that would be as high profile as the Southern District. When he was a prosecutor, he was smart, he was tough, he was creative. You have tied up all of my assets. Therefore, i cant afford an attorney cause i think thats a real phony issue. When Rudy Giuliani started as u. S. Attorney, i actually had some admiration for him. Yes, he was republican, and we didnt agree on everything, but he appeared to be a reformer. He claimed some of that historic mantle of la guardia. This is a fight against a cruel, vicious, greedy political machine. He claimed the sort of what we call in new york city a fusion mantle, the notion of sort of more progressive and reformminded people working together with the people in the mainstream political process for change. I saw in him, you know, a guy of integrity and credibility and, you know, resoluteness about fighting crime. And we would travel around and, you know, he wouldnt even let the Pizzeria Owner buy him a slice of pizza and a can of diet coke because he didnt wanna be compromised. 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He was a very intense character. If you violate the law, whether its Insider Trading or tax evasion or fraud or bribery, a socalled whitecollar crime, the overwhelming general rule is that you go to prison. Kind of a crusader knight, which was clearly also kinda how he saw himself. As the chief federal prosecutor in his area, giuliani comes across like the hollywood stereotype of the tough, dedicated crime buster. All of these areas of crime are dangerous and destructive of our society. This epic sense of himself thats what made him such a relentless prosecutor. Its also what made him so cruel. He knew that he was right. He felt that he was the scourge of god. This fall, in federal court, giuliani will personally prosecute perhaps the biggest case of his entire career, the socalled Mafia Commission case. The alleged heads of the new york five Crime Families have been arrested in a crackdown. And u. S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani says that the mafia could be destroyed if the pressure is kept on em. His targets include names like paul castellano. Anthony fat tony salerno, the 76yearold boss of the genovese mafia family, now serving 100year sentence. One of the things that these indictments demonstrate is that the Upper Echelon of the mob is no longer invincible. He was a Perfect Match for new york city. He was a Perfect Match for a tabloid culture. He was a Perfect Match for a crimereporting culture. And he was brash and he was, you know, he was a selfpromoter. Great day for law enforcement, but this is a bad day, probably the worst, for the mafia. The indictment alleges numerous specific incidences of bribery, extortion, fraud, tax fraud, obstruction of justice, and perjury. Clearly, he impacted the mob in new york more than anyone else had, and was able to take out mob bosses who had been sitting there in place for a generation. When people say there is no mafia and these organizations dont exist, i mean, i know from my history that there is such a thing. And i know what it does and what it can do. There have been 80 Death Threats against mayor giuliani so far this year. It is not unusual to have the people that you are investigating and prosecuting threatening to kill you. Its an emotional reaction from people at the time that theyre being pursued. Rudy giuliani was always a calculating, intentional demagogue. The way you do politics is find an enemy, beat up on them, play on peoples fears and prejudices. He needs an enemy. He was gonna be the sheriff of wall street. He was gonna clean it up. There was guy he walked out of the office. He always managed to let the press know. He would very much exploit Press Coverage of walking an accused. Wall street also found itself a giuliani target in an Insider Trading scandal. So if you think about the 1980s, when suddenly these guys like ivan boesky and Michael Milken were becoming insanely wealthy, they were new villains. Certain months arent always the best, but at the end of the year, it turns out that thats really what counts. They were the Greed Is Good people, and rudy went after them too. Three persons were arrested and charged with illegal profits of millions and millions of dollars. Among those arrested, nine stockbrokers all in their 20s and 30s, eight of them from one firm. That was fantastic. And for new yorkers, it was a spectacle. And rudy, in his ruthless way, would make these guys do a perp walk. That is, instead of doing what was considered the correct thing when you have dignified gentleman in threepiece suits, which is you ask them to turn themselves in at the Precinct House no, rudy would send in the fbi. He would have alerted tv news. And these guys, who worked at big investment banks, would be marched out in front of the tv cameras to the edification of all new yorkers and, of course, the utter humiliation of themselves and their family and loved ones. The problem with that thinking is its not the perpetrator. It is somebody accused of the crime. There is a presumption of innocence. When i think of Rudy Giuliani and i think of theater, i think of those perp walks. As to the defendant, Stanley Friedman, the indictment charges his participation in three Bribery Schemes as part of the racketeering enterprise. This verdict is a very significant victory for the honest and decent citizens of new york city who have had to labor under the yoke of people like Stanley Friedman for too darn long. And, you know, theres something sort of horrifying about that, at least from a professional ethics perspective, that we really dont think of ourselves as centerstage. Enormous, vaulting ambition. And that set off some alarm somewhere in the back of your head. This is very bright guy. This is a very ambitious guy. And if you get in his way, hell crush you. The charges are quite extensive, whats in the indictment and whats on the public record. But if there are some additional restraints on what we say, you should understand. Quite a few of rudys most spectacular wins were overturned on appeal. And that sometimes gets left out of the record cause rudy would always brag, you know, i won every case, every big case, et cetera. Well, no, a lot of them got overturned and the Justice System pushed back. And so thats the danger of that kind of absolute selfcertainty. The indictment should speak for itself. Theres no need for mr. Giuliani or any other prosecutor to embellish. He wasnt getting his picture in the New York Post as often as he could without the intent of moving beyond the u. S. Attorneys office. But giuliani says he has no game plan, no specific job in mind after this one. Rudy giuliani, i mean, was never thought of as a softy. He was the guy who took down the mob. But there was a change. Thank you, Rudy Giuliani. Thank you very much. And he became more of an avenging figure than he had been before. Rudolph giuliani, thank you for being with us. Thank you. And if he was an effective political tool, the fear is real. Would you like to be mayor of new york city . It would obviously be a great honor to be considered for mayor of new york city, but so would a lot of other things. Oh booking. Com, im going to somewhere, anywhere. A beach house, a treehouse, honestly i dont care find the perfect Vacation Rental for you booking. Com, booking. Yeah. What do we always say, son . Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance. So you only pay for what you need. Thats my boy. Stay off the freeways only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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In california, where i was governor for eight years, we went from near bankruptcy to financial health, and we met the needs of our people. If were going to stop inflation, we must do it now. For those whove abandoned hope, well restore hope and well welcome them into a Great National crusade to make America Great again. To believe that they could take america and make it great again, now those are buzz words make America Great again, meaning white folks gon be back in charge and on top. Make America Great again. Ronald reagan used, seldom, lets make America Great. Close but not the same. But Ronald Reagan was good. He said, lets make but he didnt use itor he used it a little bit. We seriously used it, right . Crowd yeah maga im a person who feels very strongly about things like integrity in government, doing something about the drug problem. Rudolph giuliani is now in his second day of private practice at the upscale law firm of white chase. Giuliani watchers agree his time in private practice is a Holding Action until he makes a bid for mayor. Rudy giuliani brought this whole idea, this shtick, about going after the mafia. He thought, i could use the same method, the same tactics, used in rounding up the mob i could use the same tactics in rounding up black people. Street crime is growing, driven by new yorks soaring crack problem. Half of the new yorkers surveyed in a recent poll said they were victims of some sort of crime in the last year. [punchy music] by 1989, 90, it was a rough place. The 80s boom had kinda come to an end. The Kinda Horsemen of the apocalypse were running. You had crack, aids, homicide. We had just come through the trauma of the fiscal crisis of the 70s. And the city frankly just reached a low point. There was never a time where the streets were more dirty and dangerous than in the late 80s into the 90s. New york city is in a lot of trouble. Were gonna have to cut down on the crime. Were gonna have to cut down on the drugs. Were gonna have to get control of this city. New york city at that time, the crime rate was up, drugs, crack epidemic, deteriorated housing. Homelessness was quite high. Authorities were busy making arrests in what they say is a multimilliondollar drug ring operating in our town. The cosa nostra members and associates imported heroin and cocaine into the United States, oversaw its distribution in several major cities in the United States, and reaped enormous profits. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome, or aids for short, was first identified about 18 months ago. The disease, which is almost always fatal, leads to a complete breakdown of the bodys own natural defenses. The Aids Epidemic Kicking in fears and the unknown about even how the disease was transmitted. The fears. All what do we want . Gay rights when do we want em . Now there was a lot of misinformation. So life was pretty tense. But you also had this boom in the financial world headquartered right here in new york city. Therefore, the spillover of, like, its party time was tremendous. And whether that meant a guy like donald trump could get all the money he needed to build his buildings. Well, i got a good tax package, but that was a long time ago. I mean, today, the city is hot. I like to keep it that way. The kind of new ostentatiousness about wealth and showing off wealth was especially rampant in new york city. So there was this, like, partytime, wild, and crazy new york city, and there was this becoming darker part of new york city. [dance music fades] what We Saw In The 80s was sort of that incessant appeal to white voters in different ways from different people, trying to paint particularly African Americans as the root of their problems. I always go back to send me your tired and your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. They didnt see black people coming also as huddled masses. [indistinct chanting] 1989, there was a series of horrific incidents during that year, the killing of several black kids who wandered into white neighborhoods and were chased and killed for no reason whatsoever. The fact is you can go back to that time and see the earliest political manifestations of donald trump with the central park five. Wildin. New York City Police say thats new teenage slang for rampaging in wolf packs. A Woman Jogging in New York Central Park last wednesday night, raped and nearly beaten to death. Trump says the central park attack is just the latest example of the complete breakdown of life as we knew it. You have an instance here where you have killers roaming the street, preying on all of us. Trump has taken out expensive ads in City Newspapers in favor of the death penalty. This was an extremely polarizing ad to be placing in the paper, a preview of what we then saw as president. That kind of donald trump New York Post nexus began in those years, portraying young black people as dangerous, as savages. No effort whatsoever at investigation or justice. Just a blatant appeal to the most base racial stereotypes. Five young men who were supposedly wildin, and they charge em with a gang rape, and he puts an ad in the papers calling for the death penalty. These boys, we feel, have been lynched even before they have had an opportunity to tell their side as to what happened. Of course, all of these five young men were later exonerated of the crime. Somebody else eventually confessed. But donald trump Saw A Kindred Soul in pulling the scab off the citys racial consciousness. Yes. Former u. S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani launched his formal Campaign Today to capture city hall from mayor koch. Now is the time to take our city back from the violent criminals on the streets and the whitecollar criminals in their office buildings. [applause] vo this is sadie. Shes on verizon. 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And as he would always say, the Gorgeous Mosaic of people, reaching out to all communities. How are you . In 1989, some friends and i did what a lot of young people did, was we just volunteered. We registered a few hundred voters and told everybody why they had to vote. Thats how fundamental it was. My Favorite Group was a tribe called quest. Mr. Dinkins, would you please be my mayor . Mr. Dinkins, would you please be my mayor . Like, i lived that, right . I mean, we loved David Dinkins because David Dinkins was us. He thought of the world in a different way. Instead of being a new york that was about tribal warfare, it would be a new york that was about communities and accountability. Have we scraped and struggled to survive nine years of reactionary republican government in washington just to hand over our city to the very same voices . All no this is in the reaganbush years. So the things that are coming out of washington are seen as quite detrimental to the interests of cities in general, new york in particular. Black new york, for certain, we werent even part of the discussion. This was a communitys effort to step back on the stage, claim some power, move our neighborhoods forward. You gave me your votes, and even more, in a tough time, you gave me your trust. You voted your hopes and not your fears. Ed kochs 12year run as the combative mayor of new york city is over. He lost his primary battle to Manhattan Borough President David Dinkins. The democratic nomination went to David Dinkins, who could become new york citys first black mayor. This was something that a lot of people of color in new york saw as finally getting a place at the table. We are in heaven now. We are making history. Former federal prosecutor Rudolph Giuliani, who won the gop primary, could be a formidable opponent. On the day i become mayor, the old political system that is dragging this city down is out all whoo i think rudy was surprised. He had hoped, i think, to run against ed koch, who was, as they say, third term, thered been a lot of corruption. All of a sudden, David Dinkins comes along. Dinkins knew city government. The real enemy is poverty and crime. And knew how to talk about policy, about homelessness, about child welfare, about housing. You see now how were bringing new york together. All yeah things that rudy really had not paid any attention to. Rudy rudy rudy you take a dialogue thats supposed to be, in rudys mind, about corruption, and all of a sudden, hes having to talk about foster care and things like this. It was all nonsense. When i would come back to the office after a day of campaigning, people would ask me, which one was it today . Was it the good rudy or was it the bad rudy . It will not be long before the contenders take those gloves off and go for the knockout punch. Roger ailes was brought in at the middle of the campaign when we were floundering. We had no messaging. We werent doing much tv advertising, if any. [percussive music] new york city 1989. All this going on. David dinkins said, quote. To Rudy Giuliani, its clear. Roger ailes started in the nixon campaign. He consulted with reagan. He consulted with h. W. Bush. He was probably the foremost republican media consultant. A big manipulator. Roger ailes. My opponent has taken up the tactics of that maestro of mud. Roger ailes. Ailes seeks to gain votes by turning group against group. Whats negative is something that isnt true or isnt fair. Everything weve said about David Dinkins came right out of the newspapers and right out of your Television Reports and is fair and true. At first, i think there was a horror among the people who were in the campaign that, were trying to run as a liberal fusion candidate. Why would you bring in the most notorious republican political consultant . Democrats, as you recall, have pussyfooted around this issue for a long time. And in new york citys race for mayor, democrat David Dinkins is leading in the polls over republican Rudolph Giuliani. All of a sudden, David Dinkins comes along riding the wave of, you know, he was gonna be the first black mayor, and that was at a time when that had a real kind of emotional resonance, both within new york and nationally. Mr. Giuliani sounds more and more like joe mccarthy. He ought to be ashamed. He has violated the tenets of office many times. I dont refer to that as a violation of the law, david. You filed a false financial order form. Let me say mr. Giuliani is behaving like the desperate fellow that he is. We were initially lost as to how to campaign against him and just were sort of dangling in the wind for quite a while. And we never did figure out how to run against David Dinkins. It was a historic day for new york and a triumphant moment for the biggest black population of any american city. Ours is a new coalition of conscience and purpose, one that has room for everyone and excludes no one. But giuliani, who modeled a sometimes bitterly personal campaign, called for unification. And now, in the highest tradition of our democracy, we will Work Together with all our might to build a great city here in new york i give rudy a lot of praise that he came out and started talking about, you know, we have a new mayor, and we need to get behind him and support him. Ive just spoken to mayorelect David Dinkins. All no no no no no no. And people started shouting, no, no, no. And, it was a fraud and all of the stuff you hear today about trump. Quiet quiet and rudy told them to quiet down. Hell be the firstlisten. [crowd shouting] shh. He is the first African American to hold the office of mayor of the city of new york, and that is a historic achievement for which we all applaud. I think he realized this was the beginning of the campaign in four years. He had to start that campaign with this message of conciliation, of bringing people together, and he wisely did that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very, very much. It was very clear shortly after the race that he was not going away, that he was gonna run from the right, and that he was looking for a rematch with David Dinkins. Its gonna take a while for people to accept the fact that we have a black mayor. Id prefer white, but i would not have any prejudice against black. Were not looking for color. Were looking for a man that can run this city. All David David David David Dinkins was a good man. And i think that he might have been too good of a man for the kind of new york that it was at the time. Days of violence after a reputed drug dealer was killed by a police officer. Because the nypd decided to go to war. Rudy, for all the nice words, very quickly seems to have made the decision to embrace the sort of racism that a lot of his party believed in. The reason the morale of the Police Department of the city of new york is so low is one reason and one reason alone David Dinkins Rudy Giuliani, to me, is and was a thug. Rudy giuliani is consistently the same man that hes been, the same guy that he was when he took down the mob, when he changed new york from the Rotting Apple to the safest city in the world, now representing President Trump and is a top surrogate for the giuliani for governor campaign. Theyre pathetic. They are the same people they were in the 1980s. America the strategies, the message, the divisiveness, the racism they never want it to change. They wanted to perfect it. They wanted to weaponize it. They succeeded in some ways, and yet, in shakespearean fashion, the success has been very shortlived. [dramatic string music] faith and patriotism are pretty much one in the same. And rudy was very much cut from that cloth and made no bones about it