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Lasted for a few minutes with all these three men falling to the fwrouground. The skirmish continue bfrs brooks gets up but when he does so, he has one of the officers taser in his hand. There you see that. Okay, soon after you u heard some type of shots then in this Surveillance Video, you see brooks, hes run away with the taser, but we have stopped here moments before brooks was shot and fell to the ground. This incident drew strong condemnation from one of those powerful africanamerican leaders in congress. I was very incensed in that you wonder that sometimes youre dealing with an issue like this, out here for two or three weeks, and then you see it resurface it, still being so insensitive to the life of a young africanamerican man. Youve got to restructure our judicial system. Restructure health care system. Restructure our educational system. We know that. All these things have been put together in order to maintain suppression of africanamericans. Reinstitutionalize second class citizenship of black people during the jim crow era. New today, word from tim scott in that a the president m be preparing executive action to address police abuse and that the announcement could come tuesday the executive order that will come out i think on tuesday really does reference a National Database strengthening. A National Database Police Misconduct from my understanding. It also talks about the importance of coresponders from a Mental Health perspective. As for atlanta, city leaders there have moved swiftly with an unprecedented release of the Police Body Cam and dash cam video. Mayor bottoms accepting the resignation of era shields within 24 hours and the firing of the Police Officer believed to have fired that fatal shot. The officer on the right has been placed on administrative duty. Morgan ches ski is joining us from atlanta just across the street from where the shooting took place. Morgan, a good sunday to you. How have things been going there today . It has been tense here. We know theres been a steady presence of people here all night long. Since that fire gutted this wendys following the death of Rayshard Brooks friday night. Not even 36 hours since his death, we are seeing some of those significant steps forward. We know three parallel vest fwagss are happening now looking into his death. One from the Georgia Bureau of investigation, another from the District Attorney then the Police Investigation happening into this incident that took place when ever brooks fell asleep at the drive through u and was initially contacted by the two officers. As far as the crowd here goes, obviously, there have been you know the same cries for justice that we saw a few weeks ago in the death of george floyd in minneapolis. Theres a protest planned later today filling the streets of atlanta. The location has yet to be determined but weve seen a significant show of support and basically a rally surrounding brooks death. An interstate was blocked off for quite a while last night with hundreds if not thousands of people there making a very staunch line in close proximity with police. Theres still an incredible amount of emotion flowing through this area. Meanwhile, brooks was a father of four and we had a chance to hear from his familys attorney follow thg incident a short time ago. I want dwryou to take a listen. We adwree grogree with the m saying that the officer that fired his weapon should be terminated and prosecuted. The family met with paul howard and theyve opened their investigation and i think we want justice, but i dont even care anymore. I dont know what that is and ive been doing this for 15 years. I dont know what justice is anymore . Is it getting something arrested . Getting somebody fired . A chief step doung . I know this isnt justice whats happening in society right now u. And the mayor of atlanta has come out and aid that in this case, the use of deadly force was absolutely not necessary. Of course following that as you heard the attorney mention, the police chief of atlanta has since stepped down so a very fluid situation here from a response standpoint as we look to see what comes next in this community following the death of Rayshard Brooks. Alex. Morgan, thank you so much for the great set up there from atlanta. Joining me now, cedrick alexander, a former member of president obamas task force on 21st Century Policing, also Public Safety director in dekalb county, georgia. Is there clear protocol on what should have happened here . Well, first of all, they got called to a scene. By the wendy store owners there. So they had a reason to be there. You know what were looking at here alex is a culmination of a lot of events that have taken place specifically more so over the last few weeks. Going back to the arbury case then the case in louisville. And in of course the tragic death we all witnessed with george floyd and then here we are now, two nights ago, witnessed another shooting that occurred and the question becomes what could have been different from the dwing of the contact with that victim all the way up to the shooting taking place. I would agree with many, many at this very moment, there are some things clearly thats going to need to be reformed in terms of the way we train, in terms of the way we interact with the public, in terms of the calls for service that are being responded to because these petty type calls seem to somehow always end up, black men in this country, end up being killed. There are types of events. And you know, i want people to understand where this, where this started. It started because mr. Brooks was apparently asleep in his car. He was blocking the drive through for that wendys that has been burned. And as you said, members of the wendys staff called the police and said hey, heres whats going on. But yes, monumental conversations have to be takie i place now, but with regard to this one, it played out after 43 minutes. Why would police spend all this time with this one incident . Is there a way things could have played out differently or things could have been done different ly . They go and wake him up in his car. 43 minutes lit later, hes been shot dead. Right. And thats exactly the point that im making here. We got to go back and look at our training because in a case like this, he was in his vehicle. He was asleep. Was there possibly some other alternatives the officers could have taken . Given him a ride home . Calling him an uber . Letting him stay there . His car stay there . What other alternatives could have been taken that particular night which would have kept those officers quite frankly have having to be involved in an altercation and everybody could have went home. We have to address these in training. Its important we do so. Theres a lot being packed into everything thats going on across this country now buchlt each one of these cases are tied to each other because this is not just the intervention itself. Its all about how people are feeling towards the police. A lot of people are frightened. Enrange rablged. Scared. People will become spon toin tan yous and unfortunately right now, it is a r very, very tough time in this nation socially because the horrific events weve seen. Yesterday, i spoke with a woman yesterday who is a trauma specialist. Somebody who specializes in the arena of racial trauma. It was extraordinary backing up everything youre saying about the kind of feelings that people are having across this country, but with regard to what happened here, look how quickly the Atlanta Police released the dash and body cam of this incident. What do you think drove the push to release it this fast . It doesnt seem to be the norm. I will tell you why. They did it because its the right thing to do. And i think the mayor there, shes making right decisions in time that she has to make those decisions and when that was released, the whole idea here is transparency. We want the public to see and hear what took place. Even though theres going to be a judicial process that will take place. As candid and open as she can be and that department can be, it benefits the community itself, so its a place, hugely important that those videos be released, but heres Something Else i have to add real quick, too, alex. When the gbi got involved in this. Georgia bureau of investigation. Yes. You saw immediately your investigation stepping in a director step in and made a statement and gave you video that was relative at that time. Or relevant at that time and weve seen it thats being transparent. I applaud the mayor for that. And making those leadership decisions that she had to make but across this country, were in a r very, very challenging place. We now u have to figure out and in my opinion, its not that hard to do, but there has to be some reforms that take place and they have to take place now because people are afraid. People are frightened and people dont know what to do and for me as someone whos been a fouryear veteran [ inaudible ] to accept the fact people are afraid of their Law Enforcement officials. It bothers me. Thank you so much for weighing in on this. Well see you again. Joining me now, benjamin crump. Sadly all names weve become so familiar with. Lets talk about your initial reaction to what is now unfolding around the death of Rayshard Brooks in atlanta. When you heard about it and saw the video, what did you think . That it was unfortunate and that as i predicted when we talked to the United States congress, George Floyds brother and i this week, alex, i said if we dont do something to change the culture and the behavior of policing in america, i predict there would be another Police Shooting of an unarmed black man within 30 days in america and i didnt even make it past three days from the time i testified in washington, d. C. It is a culture that we have to address most of us when we look at the video, you see there was so many other things that could have been done that if it was one of our white brothers, the situation would have been handled differently, but it seems like as a chief alexander said you know, you have these minor offenses that escalate to deadly fatal force when its the inaction between the police and africanamericans. Benjamin, you mentioned George Floyds brother, testifying or being there together on capitol hill. Lets take a listen to part of what he said there. Here it is. George wasnt hurting anyone that day. He didnt deserve to die over 20. Im asking you is that what a black mans worth . 20 . This is 2020. Enough is enough. I dont know. What got me was when he said is that what a black mans life is worth, 20. Sobering. What was the reaction when he said that . You know, everybody was riveted by his raw emotion. As he spoke truth to power. Saying that you know black lives matter and we keep saying it from the top of our lung, our voice, but it doesnt matter when it falls on deaf ears because his brother was an alleged 20 forgery allegation that we dont believe was true at all. But with that being said, eight minutes and 46 seconds, the police dehumanized him with the knee on his neck and for what . An allegation. And when you look at this matter in atlanta, obviously there are going to be people who say that you know, the police were trying to not be the aggressors, but they still ended up using deadly force. Why were black people in america, its always concluded by using deadly force when we see incidents where white people in america who actually hit police, kill people, as in parkland, florida, in south carolina. When theyre taking a lie. Or killed and thats what we have to do. Change the culture and the behavior of the mentality of police in america because we hope have transparency plus accountability and thats the only way we can get the trust like chief alexander said. Theres a great mistrust and as congressman clyburn said, when you think about whats gone on in the last weeks in america, where is the sensitivity . Why was that not handled with more sensitivity knowing that we have a major crisis in america right now, where with policing and excessive use of force against black people. Look, youre handling the george floyd case. This case is different. Can you compare the two . Are there slarties to be made here other than the tragedy of the end result of them . Do you think one might be more difficult to prosecute than the other . Well, i think the cases are very different. George floyd, you know, he was restrained face down in handcuffs beg iging for the copo remove his knee from his neck. He said 16 times, i cant breathe. He said people in the street begging the Police Officers to show him some humanity, so i think the killing of george floyd and rayshard charles are drastically different, but yet as you said, alex whit, they both ended up in black being killed for what were minor, minor offenses. Yeah. Benjamin crump, i always appreciate speaking with you. Im so sorry under which the circumstances we do it often in particular. Thank you. New today, the Trump Administration dismissing concerns about the president s plans to give his speech at the Republican National convention on august 27th in jacksonville, florida. That date has historical significance in that city as it marks the anniversary of ax handle saturday. When a white mob used ax handles to attack black americans who were sitting in protests against racial segregation. Monica alba is at the white house for us. What what is the administration saying about this . Theyre really defending the choice of this date. Thats also because it came as a bit o a surprise in the haas week as Republican National committee announced they were moving the sell bra torre portion of the president accepting the nomination to jacksonville, florida, as opposed to charlotte, north carolina, where the convention was originally supposed to take place. It was only after making the announcement that all of the criticism and some of the backlash came to suggest that this 60th anniversary of this dark day in the history of jacksonville may not be appropriate to hold this speech. You also had the secretary of housing and urban development defending the president and rnc on this move this morning. Take a listen to what secretary ben carson had to say. Is it appropriate to be having a Convention Speech on that anniversary in that city . You know, weve reached a point where we dissect everything and try to ascribe some nefarious notion to it. We really need to move away from that. We need to move away from being offended by everything. Of going through history and looking at everything. Of renaming everything. So its likely this convention will look much different than what weve seen in the past given that it will be split. Youll have the official business in charlotte and the more festive part of it in jacksonville which will now take over a couple of days so it wont just be on the anniversary of ax handle saturday, which is another point secretary carson made there, but you had Democrat Stacey Abrams really slam iming the move and specifically responding to carsons remarks this morning. Take a listen. I think that is a fairly infantile response, actually, to say that words dont have meanings, dates dont have meanings. Dates dont have power. So lets be very clear. This isnt about growing up. Its about takie ining responsiy and having accountability for the actions that have been taken by this country and people acting on behalf of this country. Were told by republican officials its unlikely the convention will be move nd date r or city, but u look at what happened with the tulsa rally this weekend. The president has originally announced it for juneteenth, the very important date for africanamerican communities and beyond then he was faced with a lot of political pressure, he did in rare move, back down and move it. Were told thats unlikely with the convention, but we had an example of it with this other case. Certainly a fluid situation. Thank you, monica. Next, powerful words from congresswoman pressley among generational fear among africanamericans and why the nation may be at a tipping point. Ericans and why the nation may be at a tipping point. 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Friday night, he was shot in the back in a wendys parking lot after a scuffle with officers and this morning in a new interview, massachusetts congresswoman pressly told ali velshi how she felt upon hearing the news. Its just a fire hose were drinking from daily of assault and devastation. Black folks are gutted. We are exhausted. I think every day about my 11yearold daughter and how i would like to pass along to her generational wisdom and wealth and joy. Instead of generational fear and trauma. And so were xwgutted and exhausted but resolved. This is a tipping point. Joining me now is democratic congressman of nevada. Also a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. Welcome to you, sir. You listened with me hearing some powerful words from your colleague there. Do you agree with her . Absolutely. I agree with a passion and concern by which she spoke and i agree that as a black man, raising three black children with my wife, racial trauma is real. And we are tired. We are tired of living in fear. We are tired of our communities being under assault. We are tired of our children not being able to live their lives without the na [ inaudible ] in this time when congress acts, we are demanding results. I want to commend our chairwoman, karen bass, of the Congressional Black Caucus and all of those who have worked hard on justice and police team act. These are meaningful reforms that will hold police accountable, that will move us forward, but to be clear, this is just the first step of many steps that we must take to heal the racial wounds that have pervaded this Society Since its founding. So this policing act that i know youre a cosponsor of, if the reforms have been b in effect, might that have prevented what happened in atlanta on friday night . We have been working for many years on the number of the key provisions in this bill. First, it would end qualified immunity to hold police accountable, officers accountable, not allow them to it would demilitarize our local Law Enforcement. It would create a National Police registry for misconduct so that a those officers that have violations are not able to just get by and get away and move from department to department and it would require a report of all use of force and to disaggregate that data based on race, age, sex, religion, disability, so that we have the information in order to move forward. So yes, i do believe that had congress acted when these bills were first introduced, many years ago, we could have announced so many of the unwarranted and unnecessary deaths of people like george floyd and Breonna Taylor and so many others like them. Unarmed black men and women who were killed at the hands of officers in the course of doing their job. Do you find that your colleagues across the aisle that republicans are feeling the same way . Do you feel you can reach an effective deal with republicans in a timely manner and get this bill passed . Well, alex, its really incumbent upon republicans to work with us. We are in the majority in the house. I want to commend again congresswoman bass. There will be hearings in the House Judiciary Committee in the coming week. Our leadership has committed to a vote on the justice and policing act before the end of the month or beginning of july. We cant wait another few weeks to ha to have these enacted so its incumbent on my colleagues, senate and this administration to do what is right to work with us to pass this legislation and to start to heal our country. Lets protect all of our communities and lets recognize that black lives do matter. Absolutely, they do. We are going to let you go only because were having a little blip here and there with your audio but i want to remind folks that las vegas has been reopened. 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Restaurants will be allow ed to serve customers once again albeit for Outdoor Dining only but the jersey shore has been pushing for further ease of restrictions arguing that the state should allow Indoor Dining as well and joining me now frne jersey, my colleague, lindsey. Whats this back and forth about . Bring us u up to date. Theres a lot going on here and youll remember i was here in asbury park about six weeks ago and this boardwalk was closed but it is open now, people can walk. Its a beautiful, sunny, mid60s day. It seems like normal times but every now and then, youll see an indication these are not normal times. But tomorrow, a glimmer of hope for these businesses. Theyll be able to tastart seatg people here for Outdoor Dining. Here at this lounge, normally, they would peak season have about 150 people on their payroll. They have about 35. So thats why they wanted to push city leaders to allow them to have some Indoor Dining as well to help with that. City leaders agreed. They approved it in defiance of the governors orders. The governor came back and said he was going to sue asbury park and the judge granted that request so city leaders had to go back to businesses and say you cant have Indoor Dining. I taed to a city leader about t. Said these people are their neighbors ch shed like to hear more communication from the top. We have had a barrage of calls from Small Businesses that are essentially on the brink. What i needed to do was to get his finger on the pulse of Small Business and specifically Small Business in asbury park and understand that in the fall, they wont be back if they cant do a little bit of indoor safe dining. So i asked the deputy mayor about the spikes were seeing in other statesfully reopened and she said theyre not asking for that. Theyre asking for limited capacity. 25 indoors with masks and social distancing again because this business is really seasonal. Shes worried some wont be able to reopen at all. Yeah, a lot at stake. 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Theres legitimacy to this ainnger, this outrage. A man was murder you had because he was asleep in a drive through and we know that this is not an isolated occurrence. We also know that a man taking a taser from a Police Officer in pennsylvania resulted in his arrest. But because this person was black, it it resulted in his death. And that was stacey abrams, former georgia gubernatorial candidate responding to the Police Killing of a black man in atlanta, Rayshard Brooks. Joining me now, Senior Adviser for Biden Campaign. Good to see you. I have to ask, what went through your mind when you u heard about this incident in atlanta . First, let me just praise the mayor for her leadership and for responding so quickly within 24 hours and showing her leadership, her true leadership for the community that she represents and i think thats incredible and we should acknowledge that. Look, heres the thing. Alex. The black community is in pain. Not only are they in pain, theyre tired. Not because of what weve seen these last couple of weeks. But with the pain of dealing with systemic racism every day of their lives. We saw floyd, george floyd, eight minutes and 46 second of him begging for his life. And that led to the outpouring of people taking to the streets. But again, this has been something that has been systemic. This is what joe biden talked about in philadelphia a couple of weeks ago about the history of this nation. The history of this country. Its original sin and the time to uproot systemic racism and deal with it in a real way and you have a president right now, donald trump, who looks the other way. Or doesnt believe that there is systemic racism or there are issues in the Law Enforcement who announcing that hes going to hold a rally in tulsa, oklahoma on juneteenth a history and what happened many, many decades ago. Then you have him announcing hes going to go to jacksonville, florida to take the nomination on the 65th anniversary of a riot led by the kkk. This is who were dealing with and the contrast couldnt be more clearer and you have joe biden who has teped up to this moment and talked about reform and how to get to the other side of this and what hell do when hes president. So yes, the black community is in pain. The nation is in pain and we need somebody to bring us together and talk about how were going to reimagine. How are we going to reform. How are we going to move forward and uproot systemic racism. When you use word exhaustion, too, i was listening to the family attorney for Rayshard Brooks and he sounds exhausted. He says i dont even know what justice looks like anymore. These are the people that have to be on the front lines fighting for these individuals and of course setting an example for everyone to follow. Let me get to the new ap report on a list of six possible running mates for your candidate. Republican biden. We have kamala harris. Demings. Susan rice. Theyre among those six mentioned now. And i dont know. Maybe theres more than six, but i will say, the consideration that the Vice President is giving to the times that we are living in, one would maybe consider stacy aey abrams to be strong potential messenger. Im excited about the process as well. Its still early. Were very early in the process. We have a great team. A Great Committee thats come together thats going to vet the candidates. The Vice President has said hes going to pick a woman and we have an abun badance of riches. An embarrassment of riches of really talented women who we can, who we will, the committee will take a look at and make their recommend dax. The its up to the Vice President at the end of the day. The thing about joe biden is as we know, hes been through this process. He knows what it looks like and he knows what we need and he said this word, sympatico. Just putting on my strategist hat here, its going to be about 270. How do we get there and that ticket will be how to get us to 270. Hes also made a commitment to have f a Diverse Administration thats going to look like this country. Hes made a commitment to picking a black woman as Supreme Court justice. So i think were headed in the right direction with joe biden and what hes trying to do and make sure that we, that he will represent everyone and that his administration looks like that as well. Looking at sort of the campaign and whats going on with you u all there with the president having announced his Tulsa Campaign event that hes got later this week, what is the thinking with the biden camp on when the Vice President might again hit the trial . Is there anything percolated or scheduled on that front because you know well the Vice President the leading President Trump by 14 points in this poll. Is there a consideration that not being on the campaign trial, doing things the way he has been doing might also be working . Well, heres the thing, joe biden is eager to get out there. To speak to the people and to really earn every vote and get out there and really make that connection with voters like hes so good at. But we have to make sure its safety first. Its what i say to my 6yearold every day. Safety first here in the midst of covid19 in this global pandemic. We have to make sure that we care and we put the health of our voters, the health of Americans First and were working with our Health Experts and having that conversation and were monitoring that. Also as weve seen across the country. Theres been some spikes in certain cities of covid19 cases. So we have to be really mindful, safety first, talking to the experts and that is the key to see to what happens next with this campaign. Okay, come see me again soon. Thank you so much. Melania trump, perhaps we hardly knew you until now. Up next, how a new book on the first lady shows the power she possesses and how shes much more like the president than you might think. Might think. Two new books wit about President Trump and first lady maelt are making headlines including one from adviser john bolton set to come out later in month. According to a release from the books publisher, bolton is blasting trump claiming that getting reelected was the only thing that matters. Joining me now peter baker from the New York Times and political analyst and Kimberly Atkins from wbur and also a contributor. Welcome to you both. Before i get to the books, i do want to ask about the ben carson tape that we played earlier on the broadcast saying that people are dissecting these dates in which the president has scheduled upcoming speeches including jacksonville in august. Kimberly, you first here. Ben carson seems to suggest it is all coincidence. Is it that or is it calculated . Well, look, it is really hard to argue particularly with the case of juneteenth which the date of juneteenth is essential in the name. That somehow that escaped this white house. This white house has put out statements to commemorate juneteenth in the past including from the first lady who well talk about in a moment and it is very difficult to see that not being some sort of signal to his supporters. Keep in mind, this is an administration that also is rolling back protections of transgender individuals during pride week. Did one on the anniversary of the pulse massacre. Either somebody isnt doing their job in noting the timing is bad or it is intentional but the idea that all of this is accidental is pretty tough to square. Yeah. Okay, peter, lets get a bit more on the release from the bolton book saying im hardpressed to see any trump decision that wasnt driven by reelection calculations. Are seeing this in the president s handling of the protests . Well, look, we are less than five months to an election. It is obviously a time when any president is thinking about campaign concerns. But this one in particular, his main goal has been for a long time to win a second term. He wants to validate the victory he had in 2016 by saying it wasnt a fluke, it wasnt some sort of aberration or because of the russians or james comey and the email investigation, because he was a superior candidate. That is something he would like to prove. And so is he judging these events by reelection calculations . In certain ways you could say, look at where the calculations might fit in. Hes decided that law and order message hes been articulated in the last two weeks is aimed at base that he wanted to make sure is going to come out and vote for him in the fall. It is not aimed at broadening his base, the dependents, that is a strategy all along. Reproduce what he did last time drawing an inside straight even if he doesnt win the popular vote by maximizing the vote on the right that is favor of him rather than trying to broader into a larger coalition. And that is something any incumbent president would think about but to what degree. Kimb kimberly, something that you know about this book and anything that you sense may be forthcoming from john bolton that could be concerning and troubling for this administration . Well, certainly this idea, this announcement by the publisher that there are more ukrainelike instances in which the president was guided purely by politics and making Foreign Policy decisions. If there is anything that indicates that there were potentially more impeachable acts that took place. But at the same time, im thinking about john boltons own motivation. John bolton had ample opportunity to bring all of this up to congress as the impeachment process was going forward. And first he said he would. But only if he was subpoenaed and that subpoena was upheld by court. He wasnt exactly forthcoming. I think it is fair to say. To save it all now for a book and have to publicized over the fight with the white house, you have to take that into kr consideration as well. If john bolton was concerned about the president s actions he had a chance to do something about it rather than just tell us about it. And there is the other book, Washington Post reporting mary jordan giving insight into Melania Trump where she suggested melania was in no rush to move into the white house and renegotiated his prenup after the 2016 election. So based on your reporting in washington, peter, you first, does any of this strike you as surprising . Well, i think what it does is peel back the mythology about Melania Trump, right. That shes just a trophy wife on the side who doesnt have much of a position on anything. In fact, shes a pretty kanni negotiator if you are to believe mary jordans book and shes a fa fantastic reporter. Melania trump is in there basically doing with trump what he does with everybody else which is to say to haggling for the best advantage she could get. She understands who President Trump is and shes been married to him longer than the first two wives and decided in 2016 and 2017 that the deal she signed when she got married wasnt adequate and she wanted to renew that order she said to protect barron, to make sure he has the right inheritance and so forth from the president. But i think that one thing that is interesting about Melania Trump is how little we know about her. That is why i think a book like this is fascinating to a lot people in washington because she has been such a than any first lady in our lifetime. Kimberly, anything about being reported thus far surprise you . No. Some of the anecdotes that weve heard so far are things that have been what i call poorly kept secrets around washington, d. C. About her. But i think what peter says is right. It is showing that shes far more complex than some of the descriptions of her have been. And, listen, look, first ladies have all taken different places in history and there are few people who have been more influential on president s than first ladies. For a while edith wilson was president while her husband was incapacitated. To think she doesnt have influence over her husband and know him well. That is clear. Very good to speak with both of you. So when went so wrong in the encounter with police that cost Rayshard Brooks his life. Well weigh in on what happened. Thousands of women with metastatic Breast Cancer, which is Breast Cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. Ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr her2 metastatic Breast Cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. Ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. 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Youll see that momentarily. As he stands up you also see he grabbed and got one of the officers taser in his hand. Soon after that youll hear some type of shots and then in the Surveillance Video you see him running away from the taser and weve stopped it mere seconds before he was shot and fell to the ground. Today africanamerican senators from both sides of the aisle spoke about passing federal laws to curb police brutality. Is there a path forward that we take a look at the necessity of eliminating bad behavior within our Law Enforcement community, is there a path forward . I think well find that. Im not sure that it is qualified immunity. It seems like it is not decertification but we could make concrete decisions. When we stop short and Start Talking about finding a bill that is the lowest common denominator it is meaning well revisit this again when another unarmed black person gets killed and the nation erupts. We should be seeking to solve the problem, pushing the boundaries possible and getting as big of a coalition as we possibly can. And new reaction to the quick action by city leaders. Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms accepting the resignation of police chief erica shields within 24 hours of the shooting. And an unprecedented swift release of Police Body Cam and dashcam video by Atlanta Police. Add that to the firing of Police Officer Garrett Rolfe here on the left. Believed to have fired the fatal shot and officer devin bron san. Its outside of the wendys. It is a flash point today. Many gathering. We could see them behind you. Reporter alex, youre absolutely right. And it has been like this overnight and it is only growing into the daytime hours. We do know that a growing memorial just across street behind me for Rayshard Brooks with flowers and the words of support is starting to grow. The crowd behind me, i had a chance to speak to a gentleman who drove to this our to pay his respects and said it is very much a mix of pain, frustration, and just amongst one another love. Because this is a very painful experience for this Africanamerican Community to deal with. Again, especially in close proximity to the death of george floyd despite the incidents playing out in different ways. Now that said, we do know that this is under investigation by three separate agencies simultaneously. We have the Georgia Bureau of investigation which is overseeing from a state level. Then we have the District Attorney and then we have the internal Police Investigation as well happening amidst of all of this. I did have a chance to speak to a representative for a nearby fraternal order of police and i asked him is there ever justification for an officer to shoot a suspect as they run away. And he said that when he saw that video and he saw brooks turn and fire the taser, that in that splitsecond moment he defended the officers actions saying that they dont know whenever that happens in realtime if deadly intent is ment meant or not. And this is happening as the police chief has resigns and the mayor came out and said the use of deadly force should have absolutely not been used. And we are starting to see this conversation begin to grow much like we did after the death of george floyd in minneapolis. I want to give you a chance to listen to what stacey abrams, the former gubernatorial candidate here in georgia had to say earlier today. Take a listen. A man was murdered because he was asleep in a drivethru. And we know that this is not an isolated occurrence. We also know that a man taking a taser from a Police Officer in pennsylvania resulted in his arrest. But because this person was black, it resulted in his death. We have to have a transformation of how we view the role of Law Enforcement, how we view the construct of Public Safety and how we invest not only in the work that we need them to do to protect us but the work we need to protect and build our communities and that is the conversation were having. Well use different language to describe it but fundamentally we must have reformation and transformation. Reporter now, how that transformation will take place remains to be seen. But when i asked the gentleman who went across the street and went around the wendys, he said that that transformation has to start with trust. And we know that certainly has been compromised here resulting in what happened late friday night. Alex. Okay. Morgan chesky, thank you so much from atlanta. Joining me now is Marilyn Mosby for the city of baltimore. Welcome back to the broadcast. Last weekend we were discussing the situation with george floyd, now we have to add this to our discussion. What are your thoughts when you first heard about what happened in atlanta on friday . I mean, when we think about what is happening, Rayshard Brooks, ahmaud arbery, george floyd these are latest names within the last month that have lost their lives to the hands of police or former police. When you think about the manifestation of the pain and anger and frustration being exhibited by the protesters not just nationally but globally demanding that prosecutors and courts see the humanity of black people and despite these demands we see time and time again where the use of force, the militarization and the sheer brutality and the killings of unarmed black men are still continuing. Those cries and demands of the people become louder. I go back to what we talked about last week, accountability is key. What about the from a prosecutor standpoint, how does what happened to Rayshard Brook different or not differe from te kois case of george floyd. You cannot underestimate the power of the prosecutor to apply the standard of justice to all. And youve seen here is different from minneapolis. The prosecutor paul howard has already come out and basically said that hes conducting an independent investigation in this matter which is important in this decision because ultimately whether or not hes going to bring charges is not going to rely upon the investigation and the outcome of the police. And that is a huge issue even for me in the freddie gray case, is that independence is necessary. No profession should be charged with investigating its own. So we didnt see that in minneapolis. That distrust was exacerbated by the prosecutor who in essence was rationalizing why he was not going to act. So you see very Decisive Action not only from the mayor in this instance but also from the prosecutor which i think is telling. Marilyn, tell me what police should have done to avoid the shooting. We know the officer spoke with him start to finish for about 43 minutes. First of all, this is a guy who was asleep in his car. Yes, he was blocking the drivethru at wendys so staffered called the police to say we have an issue but it is unusual to stay with someone at a scene for that long in this kind of situation. A guy asleep in his car and may have had too much to drink. So, alex, we keep hearing this time and time again, but it is time to completely reimagine what Public Safety and policing in this country looks like. When we consider the fact that weve relied on Police Officers to respond to every social ill in society, whether it is homelessness, whether it is Substance Use disorder, in this particular instance this is a man sleeping in the car and it appears that he may have been intoxicated. The fact that they are responding in ways in which these should be for public Health Experts, right. Not necessarily the expertise of Police Officers. So really reimagining what Public Safety, was it a matter of Public Safety . I dont know. But in the end the prosecutor will determine and the officer at the point that they initiated the arrest, whether it was a legal arrest and it appears to be, in essence they have to make a determination, they know use of force is necessary but whether or not deadly force was necessary in this particular case. And whether or not was it justified in whether it rises to the level of criminality. Those are all considerations that we have to consider. Could he have resorted in all instances to other forces, uses of force as opposed to shooting a man that is running away in the back. Yeah. There was that news conference, im sure youve heard from the Brooks Family attorney and he was asked how justice could be served in this situation. Heartbreaking, his response. Lets take a listen. I dont even know what that is. And ive been doing this for 15 years. I dont know what justice is any more. Is it getting him arresting, or getting somebody fired or is it a chief stepping down . I know that this isnt justice, what is happening in society right now. Can you say what justice will look like in this situation . So it is really hard to say what justice looks like. Justice is worth the price paid for its pursuit. And what i could tell you is that in my instance, when i decided to charge Police Officers for the untimely death of a black man that made eye contact with them in a high crime neighborhood, whose spine was partially severed in the back of the wagon and pleas were ignored and that led to exposure. A week later the department of justice came in and exposed the discriminatory policing actions. That exposure led to reform. So, yes, it is incremental but i feel the pain of any family that is going through that. Justice to them is ensuring that their loved ones life was not lost in the first place. So i think im encouraged by the moment and the movement but i think that it is really, really time for us to reimagine policing and Public Safety and implement reforms to provide justice to black families and black people in this country. Marilyn mosby, great to talk to you again. And i expect well speak again soon. Thank you. Joining me now Roland Martin, host of the Roland Martin unfiltered digital show and mia fleming from georgia public broadcasting. Welcome to you both. Ladies first with you, leah. What is your initial reaction to what is unfolding in atlanta. That is where you are. That is where you work. You know this community. Yes. So last night what we saw was rage. Just plain and simple. Agony and rage come out. And you saw it with what happened literally setting fire to the wendys where mr. Brooks died and several little fires that were set around the area. The fire department, it took them over an hour to get to the scene because there were so many protesters blocking their way. So you saw that. You saw protesters going up an embankment attempting to make it on to a major interstate that goes directly through atlanta. I75, which they were successful in doing that. And police did have to shut down that interstate for a while in both directions and make several arrests. I think police have made about 36 arrests at that point. But there were several arrests. So what you saw was agony and rage come out after what had been several days of peaceful protests. But, once again, people on the scene said that they are sick and tired of being sick and tired. There are no more levels to give and that just boiled over. Yeah. Lets take a listen to what hud secretary ben carson said this morning. And i think this is a situation that is not clearcut like the callous murder that occurred in minnesota. And it really requires some heads of people who actually know what should be done under these circumstances to make judgment. We dont know what was in the mind of the officer. When somebody turns around and points a weapon at him, is he absolutely sure that is a nonlethal weapon . This is not a clearcut circumstance. Okay, roland, what do you make of all of that . I would say the secretary of ben carson shut the hell up. Okay. You are a neurosurgeon. This is very basic. Okay, you saw a scuffle there. You as Police Officers, you should not be firing at someone who is running away. Michael slager is in federal prison right now because of what he did to walter scott. And numerous examples as well. In georgia, the law, the taser is not considered a Deadly Weapon and it is a taser. Hes running away. You have his car and his license. You could arrest him. And this is what people for some reason i dont understand why this is so hard for ben carson to say we dont know what was in the officers mind. This is simple. Dude is coming away. I could catch him and arrest him later. You cant revive him later. Hes not lazarus and youre not jesus. You make a good point, roland, had he run away, the taser which is a nonlethal weapon, i guess it could be if used in extreme ways but ben carson saying the officers didnt know what kind of weapon he had, yeah, they did because he took their weapon. But the fact is that say he had gotten in a car and made it home. They had his address, right. They could have been waiting there for him when he got home saying all right, lets go. This is the other thing that part of the problem, we want so start the conversation with the scuffle but you have to go all the way back. Okay, youre a wendys employee and you call the cops because a guy is sleeping in his car in the drivethru. Im sorry. Could somebody have walked out and sir, we need you to wake up. Youre blocking the line. No. John paul iii is dead right now because somebody swatted him with an air rifle in the beaver creek, ohio, walmart saying a black guy is waving a gun, a air rifle sold at walmart. So for black people, were deathly afraid when the cops are called because you might end up dead. Catheema powell and mike brown a young man who was mentally challenged, mom calls the cops and he was playing with a screwdriver and they said put it down. Hes not charging them. 30 seconds later hes dead. So that is why black folks are scared to death when the cops are called because we may not get detained or go to jail, you might end up having a funeral. So given aum that is happening right now, leah, do you think there is an indication this might be different in terms of this time . Might we see some real tangible systemic change . You know, that remains to be seen. Quite honestly, the mayor did respond swiftly as did erica shields, the now former police cleave. She did swiftly offer up her resignation after the naacp of georgia demanded that she step down. It is unclear whether she did so because of that. But she did. So theyve been very quick to move and to make decisions about that they need to move forward. But it remains to be seen whether this is actually the moment. Mayor bottoms has announced by executive order that she has formed this committee to take a look at Police Reform and the use of force. She wants a report in two weeks. So well have to see what that report includes. Yeah. And what will happen next. But right now, people, protesters of all stripes are definitely resolved to make some change. Yeah. For sure. Roland, quickly, last word to you i got to disagree, alex. Were seeing change. And i think what wee in the media have to do is cover this stuff differently. Youre seeing what happened in new york state with the governor and the houston mayor in minneapolis youre seeing it in the Police Departments all across the country. But this thing is going beyond george floyd. Have you seen people black and white and allies join forces, corporations are also responding. Youre seeing the upending of white supremacy, it is the beginning of it. I dare say as willar barber said were seeing the beginning of the third reconstruction and i think well see more of this. We have to cover this, i believe, a lot differently and notice what is happening and it is building and it is building and it is not going to stop. You why, alex . Because white people in america have now seen this and said we cant be silent. That is also a differencemaker. I could make a promise well stay on top of this story for sure and see where it leads here on my show on msnbc. Roland martin and leah fleming, thank you both. New today, republican tim scott appears to suggest the president and his team did not understand the historic significance of juneteenths. Lets go to monica alba. What is senator scott saying about this . Reporter there was so many questions when the president announced this rally unexpectedly about why it would take place on juneteenth given it is such an important day that marks the end of slavery in the United States. And at the time neither the came nor the white house could say why they had selected the date. And now were getting a much clearer picture from tim scott who is basically filling in the missing pieces and implying because they had no idea how important that date was. Otherwise they likely wouldnt have announced a giant rally for a day that is considered a holiday where it would be inappropriate to gather for any other reason. Take a listen to what senator scott said this morning on the sunday shows. My understanding is he moved the date once he understood the juneteenth. Im not sure that the planners on his inner circle team thought about june 19th, tulsa, oklahoma, race riots unless youre doing a historic check you probably dont get those dots connected. Reporter that tells you a lot about who has the president s ear, who is surrounding him and giving him advice in terms of that date. You heard from senator scott, nobody could tell him that date may not be appropriate. The president of course was met with so much backlash and political pressure that he did move the date and now it is on june 20th, next weekend instead, alex. Monica alba from the white house. Thank you. There is so Much Division on capitol hill these days. It is hard to believe congress could unite to pass Police Reform measures. But wait, there may be hope for that yet. E for that yet ed. If your child doesnt seem themself at times, they may not be hydrated enough. 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I think there are a group of folks that think the black transgender and gay and lesbian have to be part of the movement. Were part of the movement. Black people want to acceleration or acshoe ate or even increased harm. It is not within harm in the community as transgendered men and women and so we thought it is important to say all black lives matter but the reality is black lives matter it is a small accent. Reporter and this event was bourne out of controversy organized by l. A. Pride and they later backed out and apologized. Why. It was never organized by the organization that runs gay pride which is christopher street west. It is a couple of people sitting on a board that brought the idea to christopher street west. So they jumped on board. But the blow back was enormous because Christopher West has had a huge history of racism within the ranks. West hollywood had a huge history of racism within the race. There were years when black people would come to a club in West Hollywood and they would just turn the music off because that is what was a black night. Now there is a movement for the organization that had excluded black people and gay pride to all of a sudden saying they were for black lives movement. So this effort was bourne out of that, done by black people for black people. And in support of others and our allies. Reporter thank you very much. This march will last just under four miles, tens of thousands of people expected out here in l. A. Alex. I know these streets very well. My home town. Thank you very much, erin and thank mr. Scott for his time as well. As calls grow for Police Reform were looking at where things stand in the federal level as there is bipartisan optimism that something could be reached on legislation. The question is there a path forward that we take a look at the necessity of eliminating bad behavior within our Law Enforcement community, is there a path forward . I think well find that. At the end of the day, legislation is always about compromise but im extremely hopeful this time and the pressure is on us and i really feel were going to act and the conversations with my republican colleagues, even at our first hearing, have been very positive. Joining me now indiana congressman andre carson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. Thank you for joining me. As we hear senator tim scott saying there is a path forward and congresswoman bass is extremely hopeful. Are you optimistic that a compromise will be reached . Do you think a bill will make it to the president s desk . Id like to think so. I think that now is the time where you have the uprising, you have people demonstrating. I joined demonstrators sever times times in indianapolis. We need to make sure that the state attorney generals across the country are given more authority. Traditionally Police Departments have lacked uniformity. State and local Law Enforcement have not held Law Enforcement officers accountable for these kind of excesses and abuses. There were great recommendations made by president obamas task force, the 21st Century Policing and i think we have to revisit those programs and study rules and procedures that will ensure that accountability is set. Police Department Culture has historically been all about bravado. As a former Police Officer, i understand that culture well. But also at the age of 17 i was arrested outside of a mosque. So i know both sides of this thing. But i think in a very real sense this is an issue that democrats and republicans should be in agreement on. I was not aware, at least had forgotten that you were a former Police Officer. Not aware that you had a situation as well as the age of 17. So you could see both sides of this. As you look at what unfolded in atlanta and everything that unfolded with the officerinvolved shootings as of late, what goes through your mind, if you put yourself in the role of the Police Officer at those times . Is there sympathy . Is there anger . Is there frustration and disappointment . What are you thinking and feeling about that. I think there is fear. I think there is fear. I think you have Police Officers who have not had a lot of engagement with the Africanamerican Community. Their perceptions of africanamericans oftentimes tend to be negative. There is some us versus them psychology that is refined, oftentimes in the Police Academy. I could recall being a young recruit in the Police Academy and a fellow recruit had a tshirt on of hitler, mussolini and stalin and others and when we confronted him and reported him, he very sincerely said, well i dont agree with everything hitler has done but he has done some good things. And this is the kind of mentality that you see in Police Departments where you have white supremacists, if you will, who have ideas and oftentimes reinforced by supervisors. So we need officers who have sensitivity and understand our communities in order to police better. So do you believe, sir, that the reforms that are being proposed by democrats, have they prevented what happen in atlanta on friday night . I think in many ways the reforms would have helped. But is it starts at home. It starts with local Police Departments and even in a broader sense it starts in individual houses. When you still have concepts, negative concepts of africanamericans, then it becomes problematic. We have to remember the origin of Law Enforcement that we know of. That began as slave patrols and you have this institution rooting in a system that has traditionally been against the black community. So until we unearth the psychology of Law Enforcement, it is a thankless job and we appreciate the good Police Officers who put their lives on line but there are far too many bad officers who do an injustice to taxpayers and were having a Forum Tomorrow to talk about these issues in depth. So thank you for having me. Well i thank you as well for being on show. Congressman andre carson, for the interview and also your job serving in congress. Thank you. Actor sean penn has a plan to keep protesters safe. Hell join me in a moment to talk about his am bisbitious ef. Bit back now to our top story, the latest in the policeinvolved shooting in atlanta. As we give you a live look at the wendys restaurant where Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed on friday night. His death sparking a new round of protests in the city prompting the resignation of the police chief and the firing of the Police Officer that was involved. Were also giving you a look at the cover of new yorker magazine, the depiction by an artist cadir nelson reflects the violence inflicted by black americans here in the u. S. Back to new york city for an 18th straight day following the death of george floyd. Cory coughlin is here with the latest. Cori, can you hear me . Reporter alex, yes, can you hear us. We can now. So what is going on there. Reporter okay, great. All right. So lets bring you the latest. This protest was a very impromptu gathering. Were here in Columbus Circle. It was planned in the last 24 hours and a few moments ago they finished up a moment of silence, 8 46 and theyve been chanting and talking about specific changes they want to see. One of the biggest questions here, which you would see more people trickling in, this gathering is getting to about 100 or so now. But one of the questions is whether or not this gathering was going to have anything with the columbus statue, specifically because there is calls for the southern statues but for the columbus statue. You could see that is cordoned off with officers around it but this doesnt have anything to do with todays gathering because there are other parts of the circle that also squared away and have been designated just as far as walk zones go and that seems to be typical of what were seeing for all of these gatherings. And one thing that we heard from Governor Cuomo in the last couple of days is that the protests dont need to continue because of the sweeping reforms hes enacting. Protesters out here tell me they are going to continue until the sweeping reforms are law. Until something changes more specifically. The governor spoke on that issue today. Take a listen to what he had to say. Every community in this state gets to determine what is the appropriate Public Safety function in 2020. Every community in this state gets to have heard the protests, heard the demonstrations, seen the outrage, last night in atlanta again. And now redesign their Police Department and their community. Reporter all right. So one of the main things that the governor is instituting is an executive order requiring local Police Communities to work with the communities to make completely from the bottom up changes at the foundation and we apologize, there are hecklers near us right now. Alex, ill end by showing you that the march has begun. So theyre going to step through and marching throughout Columbus Circle in manhattan. There is, like i said, a hundred people here. Well continue to follow them. And well bring you the latest. There on the upper west side. Thank you for that. As protests keep raging on across the country, my next guest wants to make sure demonstrators stay safe. Sean penns Nonprofit Organization core is planning to administer free covid19 tests at protests as coronavirus remains a threat. And sean penn is joining me now. Cofounder of core, the Community Organized relief effort. Lets talk about how essential you think that it is that americans taking part in the protests get tested for coronavirus and how concerned you are for lack of social distancing in protests like that. And do you know if people are mostly Wearing Masks or not . Well, what from what ive seen and it seems like the protest movement is on the higher spied higher spied of responsible in terms of masks. Of course the social distancing is a lot to be able to control for any individual in that group or for the group itself. And without protest, we dont have a democracy. So from our point of view, the best we can do is offer those protesters a service as they offer the country. [ inaudible ] first pilot in washington, d. C. Yesterday testing about 650 mobile testing protesters on the streets there and were starting to expand that part of what we do. The Greater Public what ive seen is that people are tired and confuses and fed up because there seems to be a big Movement Toward business as usual versus business in a new kind of responsibility, i dont think that when we go around to the stores that have opened, the restaurants have opened, the parties that take place, i dont see the same responsibility to this pandemic that im seeing with protesters. Yeah. I know you remember when the pandemic first began there was a lot of concern about people not being able to get the tests that they need and confusion about where to get them administers and whether they were appropriate and legitimate tests. Have you at core had any problems getting access to tests or experienced any difficulties when administering them . Well, it is always difficult because these are very expensive. And some of the cities we work the city supply chain support said and then in other cities we have to purchase them ourselves and then the question that result of the notification of positive and negative. The tests are strictly the diagnostic tests. This is not to be confused with the antibody or surology tests. Those are the ones that are in the in terms of the efficacy. We have very, very good tests and the access to them is certainly expanding. I dont think it is anywhere near where it needs to be. I think that where were now, we see the spikes going up. Currently because of the opening of businesses and so on. But were aggressively doing it. We have the benefit of working with a State Government in governor newsoms office and with mayor garcetti here. A leadership that is very committed to staying the course on testing while phasing reopening. But that takes a lot of support and partnership with the population itself. And while the protests go on, while businesses open, it doesnt take too much here in los angeles, for example, to find one of our test sites and come. It is free. Whether youre documented, undocumented, whether you have insurance or not, the tests are free. The tests are very high efficacy rate and we encourage people to come down and get tested. That is here, that is in atlanta and we have a site in about six other cities. Sean, youve been an activist, your work in haiti and the bahamas is admirable but given your experience seeing Movement Experience change how do you view what is happening in the country around Racial Injustice and do you think it will lead to real systemic change . The important part of this is yes, i mean, from my opinion, which is not a unique one, im hearing it a lot and im happy to hear it a lot, is that this is going to be a movement of real change. I am suspect of movements, sometimes near where i remember as a child born in 1960 the righteousness of the antiwar movement. I was skeptical of movements following that where a lot of that same movement were the ones compressing the baby killer, awful kinds of things that they were saying about young men who had fought overseas. Im skeptical here also. People have a nature to be bandwagoning and i worry about band wagoning. I think we have to exercise a lot of Critical Thinking but 99. 9 of what is happening and 99. 9 is result and i think the result is a very different world where brutality, whether it be racial or justice inherent in hu human beings is going to be wired out of our systems and institutionally and philosophically and spiritually. Can i just ask you what went through your mind when you saw this latest victim, Rayshard Brooks in atlanta on friday night . Ill tell you, i am not one to hold my tongue on much. But i do recognize this is an incredibly sensitive time. And i am so in support of the black lives Matter Movement at large. But i dont know that my opinions on this particular event, horrible though it is, unnecessary though it is, are [ inaudible ] at this particular moment. As i said i have an inclination toward certain kinds of skepticism. I would not say that what im focused on in terms of the lightning rod of the murder of george floyd and this is a significant focal point of that which has been going on and going on throughout my lifetime and long before it in terms of treatment of people of color in this country and the assumption of impunity. This is part of what happens when a culture that does have brutality and if you look at whether it is priesting or policing, it is all jobs that while they could draw the best, could also draw the worst toward the brutality, be it racial or otherwise. And i think the holistic sensibility that is coming out of this movement is the one that is going to overcome, move to overcome once and for all. Seanpers penn, cofounder ofe and activist. Sean, thanks so much for your time. Searching for common ground. The week long experiment with an autonomous zone in seattle and how long thats going to last. N. Thats why more dishwasher brands recommend cascade platinum. With the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing built right in. For sparklingclean dishes, the first time. Cascade platinum. If you have a garden you know, weeds are low down little scoundrels. Draw the line with roundup. The sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. Roundup brand. Trusted for over 40 years. I come face to face with a lot of behinds. So i know theres a big need for gasx maximum strength. It works fast. Relieving pressure, bloating, and discomfort before you know it. 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It is a huge change for nascar. This is the Confederate Flag is so much a part of the history and the fabric of the sport. And the idea that it could go away was just something that was unfathomable to me and unfathomable to most people who follow the sport. But i think in the wake of the sort of racial awakening and political uprising this country that it was a real opportunity for Bubba Wallace to push for change. What do you make of some of the pushback from some drivers and fans on this . I think its to be expected. I sort of anticipated that there could be the sort of usual status on twitter, and then we also had a back marking truck driver saying driver saying he race anymore, but sort of speaks to that segment of the fan base. But i was also, you know, very wary of the sort of free market based freedom of speech that happens on the track where, you know, if you have the dollars and the desire, you can really put any message on a car. We have seen that today where right now we have a car running in an xfinity race at miami just before bubba runs today that is hashtag with back the blue, so im wondering how much of this debate is going to rage on here and how much of that is really going to detract from the very clear message that bubba wanted to send this week. Im curious how nascar is going to enforce all of this. The symbol of a Confederate Flag either painted on a car or someone wearing a tshirt with it, or i mean, how are they going to enforce this . Im not getting a sense of how thats going to play out, but youre right. The flag is never the flag. It can take on many forms, from shorts to sun graglasses to ten and were also dealing with a much larger sort of space to police in terms of the vast expanse of the nascar track and the many acres of campground and parking lots that surround it, so and then were also going to trust, you know, the back the blue types to enforce this policy, i would assume, given how enmeshed Law Enforcement is with the staging of nascar, and staging and security of nascar events. Its really the ban was an important first step, but the steps that happen after are going to be so critical to making this thing stick. Keeping a close eye on it. Thank you so much, drew. Good to talk to you. Up next, going inside seattles socalled autonomous zone. Your bank can be virtually any place. So, when you get a check. You can deposit it from here. And you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. You can detect suspicious activity on your account from here. 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It was never our intention to abandon our precinct, and i have to say that resoundingly and clear. We were asked and decided that because of the unpredictable nature of the crowd, we want today make sure that we moved any sensitive items, any weapons in the precinct, in case there were other issues that occurred. Nbcs Vaughn Hillyard is in seattle at the autonomous zone. How are things looking today . Reporter alex, this is an ever developing scene out here. Were talking about a sixblock area in the heart of seattle. I want to actually bring in off the bat here javy cordero. We met yesterday, and youre part of the organizing effort. One of many people. Many people. I think its important to note when were talking about this, it was the police in the city that chose to essentially abandon this area back on monday. And ever since, you have been part of the effort to build what all of this has become and move it forward. And theres a little bit of pushback. Theres a little bit of pushback yesterday. A little bit of pushback. A lot of voices. Theres been a lot of pushback here over sorry, alex, give us one second here. Alex, were going to catch you next hour, if thats all right . Theres a lot of voices here at the scene. I think its important. Actually, we have javy here. Vaughn, you guys take care of what you need to take care of. We get it. We know its a pretty tense time there. Were going to have you and javy back, i think were talk to javy next hour. Thank you for that. Stay safe. Both of you. Thats a wrap of this weekend. Im see you next saturday at 7 00 eastern. Alicea mun nen denendez is up n. Thousands of women with metastatic Breast Cancer, which is Breast Cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. Ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr her2 metastatic Breast Cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. 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The Police Department released body cam footage from the officers involved. Going to show you the moments leading up to the scuffle with brooks and police. Some may find this footage disturbing. I had about one and a half drinks but you dont remember . No, sir, i really dont. I think you had too much to be driving. Hands behind your back for me. Put your hands behind your back. Hey. Stop fighting. Stop fighting. Youre