Then the message is those are not impeachab offenses. At the end of the day theres only one way to deal with this problem whether we impeach him or not is to vote him out of office. The numbers shows the president s credibility is taking a hit. 58 of americans believe hes lied to the public about matters under investigation by the special counsel. This as the president continues to blast that investigation. They tried for a coup. Didnt work out so well. And i didnt need a gun for that one, did i . So there you heard the applause. Heres former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta responding to what people are saying about that report. The president really treats the American People like were all chumps, and that somehow he can say whatever he wants, and that, you know, the American People will accept it. Also this morning new questions about what Rod Rosenstein did to stay in charge of the special counsels investigation. The Washington Post reporting that the Deputy Attorney general told the president quote i give the investigation credibility. I can land the plane. Now a former chief spokesman at the doj under obama now questioning rosensteins approach. The way to understand rod is that hes weak and always been wage. He was weak at the beginning of the investigation when he signed off on the comey firing and gave the president the excuse despite having read the Mueller Report why he fired comey. It was over the russia investigation. Today President Trump will be rallying in green bay, wisconsin as he skips the white house Correspondents Dinner in d. C. For yet another year. Meanwhile the secret service detaining the man who owned the phone anthony on the stage as the president walked out for a speech at the nras annual meeting. That 31yearold denies throwing the phone and claim that someone actually stole it. Lets get straight to the white house now. Nbcs hans nichols. Were talking about rosenstein. When we talk about that matter what more do we know what exactly went down . Reporter morgan, good morning. We are learning this morning about what Rod Rosenstein told the president back in september when his loyalty was questioned. Now a lot of this is coming from both the New York Times and Washington Post. This morning the Washington Post is basically saying Rod Rosenstein promised something to the president. I can land the plane. I give this investigation credibility. The question is, how far did he go . Did he promise the president a certain outcome in the Mueller Investigation . We obviously dont have a direct transcript of this call. What were doing is relying on Washington Posts reporting. They have people familiar with the matter. Rosenstein was trying to save his job. Remember back in september the New York Times reported that rosenstein had suggested wearing a wire. Now on thursday night an event up in new york rosenstein admitted he was under a great deal of stress and pressure but also critical of the news media in this entire process. Some of the nonsense that passes for breaking news news today would not be worth the paper it was printed on. If anybody bothered to print news these days. One question i have yet get from reporters is, is it true that you got angry and emotional a few times over the past two years. Heck, yes. Didnt you . Reporter now rosenstein made a couple of other remarks on thursday night. He was critical of the Obama White House saying it was under their watch that this russian interference happened and also seemed to contradict the general view here at the white house that interference didnt tip the scales, the election and just a few facebook ads in the words of jared kushner. He also said we just know the tip of the iceberg of russian interference in the 2016 election. All right. That was hans nichols. Joining me now is Congress Reporter with politico and chief White House Correspondent with bloomberg news. Thank you both for joining us this morning. Sara, let start with you. The Washington Post reports that Rod Rosenstein not only discussed the Mueller Probe with President Trump but reassured him he gives the investigation credibility and quote can land the plane. Sara how concerning is this . This is something that House Democrats are certainly going to be infuriated by especially after the way we saw attorney general bill barr come out of the gate after the Mueller Report and he was showing so much support for President Trump he was using President Trumps exact wording to say there was no collusion. So the democrats were already highly skeptical of the way doj has been handling the situation and to have this report come out certainly going to be driving fuel to the fire here and democrats will be seizing on this in the next several days. Which is interesting. You hit the nail on the head when you talk about the skemt m skepticism. Rosenstein was a witness in this investigation. Could he have been compromised . In the broader sense of the wore it depends as to when were going to hear from special counsel bob mueller testify before congress. Look the calls up on capitol hill for there to be public testimony from the special counsel are only intensifying. Lawmakers are set to return from recess this week. Beyond that attorney general william barr set to testify publicly again for the first time before Congress Following the release of this report on may 2nd. So, i think that these questions are going to be asked of these officials. But i also think that poll in particular the majority of americans more than half of them saying they are not necessarily, you know, supportive of there being brought articles of impeachment as of now is something that a lot of democrats are heeding to, including House Speaker nancy pelosi. Look shes a political referee. Shes got to navigate the calls on the campaign trail and the calls within her caucus for there to be impeachment while also trying to manage policy initiatives that are set to be coming, being brought to the discussion. Shes going to be meeting oneonone with President Trump this week, this week at the white house. Speaker pelosi and President Trump not talking about impeachment but infrastructure. Sara, what are your thoughts on this. Were talking about pelosi becoming a referee. What does this mean for the integrity of the dojs investigation . Is it compromised . Well thats something House Democrats will be trying to figure out, of course, as they go ahead. They have a lot of plans to bring in more witnesses, more officials, more former officials for a slew of hearings in the next several weeks but its not year if they will get any of the witnesses they are asking for. Its not clear if bob mueller will testify on capitol hill. These are the Big Questions that democrats have to wrestle with as they see these new poll numbers. That poll included 62 of democrats who do support impeachment. That puts a lot of pressure on pelosi from her left base. At the same time shes protaekt lot of moderate freshmen democrats representing seats that were formerly republicans. She has a lot of moderate democrats that she needs to protect and only about 36 of independents want to see impeachment go forward. Thats the number shes paying attention to here. You talked about that 62 number but 58 of americans who say that trump lied, of them 19 are republicans. Is that actually more than you would have expected . That number, it does show, there are, of course, republicans willing to support democratic efforts here. That might be the never trump republicans weve seen. Not exactly clear. These are only the first poll numbers weve seen because of the Holiday Weekend and some delays to get to andy poling here. So its going to be a demographic were watching closely. Only 10 of republicans support impeachment. Even if you have republicans say more than that number, 19 saying they believe that the president lied, only 10 believe that they think impeachment should go forward here. Even in the Republican Party some of their numbers are split. Kevin i want to go back to the point that sara was making about the numbers thinking the president lied. 58 of americans in that poll think the president has lied to the public about matters under investigation by the special counsel. So does this show us, kevin that people really arent buying the administrations messaging in the wake of the reports release . Yes. I mean look, you dont have to look at the polls. Go to the dinner conversation of any political family around the country when folks are talking about the Mueller Investigation. To both points that both of you are making in terms of how this would move forward the question for democrats right now is if they pursue impeachment and i want takes more than a year, virtually every source that i talk with that works with this white house says bring it on because it would last more than a year. Theres no way that there would be a conviction in the senate, the republican controlled senate. Then youre right up against the 2020 president ial. So you got republicans saying bring it on. You got Speaker Pelosi walking a very narrow tight rope. The folks who are out on the campaign trail. When i talk to staffers of the campaigns of senator elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, to some extent former Vice President joe biden they say they are listening to the frustration of what voters feel and the mistrust they feel of the administration but very quickly i would add they are also listening on the policy issues, on medicare, on the environment, Green New Deal initiative, affordability for access to health care. They are hearing those issues as well. And i think we cant we cant note that enough. Its interesting you talk about the frustration because also when im talking to voters you hear the frustration around the lack of authenticity. I want seems with these polls thats also what the voters are trying to tease out. Who is authentic and who represents my interest. I want to thank you both so much for joining us this morning. Thanks for waking up early. Fears of socialism on capitol hill. What republicans plan to do about it in a new book. Stay with us. 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The biggest problem with the Mueller Report he didnt mention any of this. He didnt mention strzok and page and mccabe and comeyen and the lies and the leaks and the overthrow. All right. So joining me now is jake sherman coauthor of the hill to die on the battle for congress and the future of trumps america. Hes a Senior Writer for politico. Thank you for being with us. Lets get right into it. The president is vowing to fight all subpoenas from House Democrats while accusing former top officials of attempting a coup. What exactly, jake, is his end game here . How are those accusations really going to affect the power dynamic between him and congress . I dont know what his end game is because its not a sustainable position for the administration to say im going to ignore actions from congress, all subpoenas, all requests for testimony. Im not sure how long he can sustain that and what his plan is here. He he can try to take it to the court. Most administrations, frankly, at least pretend that they are going to cooperate with congress and then dont. Or do it in a limited accepts. So its impossible to understand what the president is aiming for. Furthermore if he want legislative accomplishments he has to in some way cooperate with congress. When you speak about congress what about the effect for Congressional Republicans. Do the findings of the redacted Mueller Report shift the political calculations of Congressional Republicans in anyway . Is there a threat of not having the president s backing . Is it still a factor for those republicans up for reelection. No. Overall republicans believe that the Mueller Report or at least they say the Mueller Report has exonerated the president and frankly they believe it exonerates their behavior over the last two years which has been to protect the president and not investigate him, not conduct oversight when they were in control of congress. I think they benefit politics have swayed in their favor. What about the other side. Whats your take on the divisions among democrats surrounding impeachment. We heard so much chatter about it. Is it inevitable or expected they may overplay their hand . Its possible they overplay their hand. I think impeachment as i think in the last hour was discussed, theres a clip of adam schiff basically saying its a really tricky political calculation for them. Obviously, the president would be acquitted because the senate is held by republicans. So for at that lot of democrats they are banging their head against the wall and not something they want to do. Lets talk about this division. You interviewed the president after republicans lost control of the house and he expressed relief thinking it might be more workable for him now i can say folks lets go. Give me legislation. If we like it well work on it. Was this the usual boasting from the president or did he think it would be easier to work with a divided congress . Far be it for me to get in the president s brain too much but he did say that. He did believe that republicans were too nit picking. He believes, he thought, he said that democrats would be able to give him bills and he would say yes or no, sign it or not. This was actually a real narrative coming out of the white house for months during the campaign season. Republicans and the white house kept saying over and over again the senate is what matters, were is going to lose house to and its not that big of a deal and it was befuddling. Now the president is facing a barrage of investigations that threaten to swamp the last two years of his first term and impact his reelection. It was stunning to hear how little he cared about it at that time and even after the fact. Speaking of stunning i have to admit one of the most interesting parts i found, you spoke with Mitch Mcconnell and hes promising his constituents if hes reelected and continues to be the senator majority leader hell block legislation that he teadeems as socialist. What about his own power. How the president has affect ed him being able to do his own job . Mitch mcconnell have found many ways to navigate the Trump Presidency to his advantage. We detail this in the book. He reshaped the federal judiciary for decades to come in a conservative way and has used the president s kind of lack of understanding of washington and his, the fact that hes new to town to take over that process and thats been very advantageous for mcconnell. Mcconnell has really used this presidency to achieve what he wants. Its been stunning to see him. It was never illustrated more than the kavanaugh episode which he worked with the president very, very well to get brett ha kavanaughs nomination through. 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Youre not getting vaccinated youll get sick. Reporter the cdc say its more than probably 90 of univaccy natured individuals exposed to the virus will contract measles. Measles is one of the most contagious viruses on earth. Now with the blanket quarantine over those cal state students specifically this morning still in effect they warned anyone who done obey the legal order to stayathome in isolation off Public Transportation they will be prosecuted. They are not messing around. Thats nbcs molly hunter. Back to washington and the white house. Vowing to stand in the way of newly launched congressional investigations including several by the House Oversight committee. Right now the president is suing over subpoena for his financial records. Senior adviser Steven Miller will not testify about white house immigration policies. And the top justice official wont testify about adding a Citizenship Question to the 2020 census unless his lawyer is present. The administration prevented a former Security Specialist from facing questions about how he handled white house clearances. Joining me now to unpack all of this, a member of the oversight committee, congresswoman kellie. First and foremost a lot of these trump legal battles they can extend well into 2020 and i want to play something that you said to our colleagues over at morning joe. Lets take a quick listen. We talk about fines. Talking about actually putting people in jail. That are not cooperating. And i think that if we have to go to that extreme we should go to that extreme. I dont think anyone wants to do that. I cant tell you how that would happen but i just know its a tool in our tool box. So what, in your opinion, would actually be the Tipping Point to sending officials to jail . I think at the end of the day if they didnt cooperate, if they never showed despite the subpoenas, despite our asking, despite fines. As i said yesterday no one wants to see that happen but its time that, you know, we need to put country over politics. Republicans need to join us. And finding the truth. We owe that to ourselves. We owe that to the american citizen to really, as you said unpack the truth. When were talking about the truth here something we cannot escape is this speculation and this chatter around impeachment. Do you believe that the president has committed an Impeachable Offense . I think that 90 of me believes that. I mean i havent seen the unredacted Mueller Report but i think that, but i do agree, with Speaker Pelosi, we need the investigation, do thaergs, do that first and see where that ladies us not jump right to impeachment. And especially as youre polls have said the American People really dont want to see that. Im counting on the ballot box to remove donald trump next year. So relying on the ballot box and not impeachment. Unless theres something that comes up that i dont know about. That we dont know about. Okay. Youre also on the front line. Youre out here. Youre talking to your constituents. Youre trying to do your job every day. Is this talk impeachment hurting your ability to do your job. Are you afraid this talk of impeachment will overshadow the policy ideas youre trying to put forth back in my district with my constituents were talking about health care, were talk about economic development, were talk about gun safety, were talking about the environment. Some people talk about impeachment. A lot of people would like to see him go that support me but they also realize theres other things going on. And when we took back house to, we took back the house talking about health care and raising wages and infrastructure and those kinds of things. So we have to Pay Attention to that also. Which is interesting because thats also what we saw when we were spread out throughout the country talking to people during the midterms. You have in your district people in urban areas, rural areas, what do you think the ratio is . Are they more concerned with the president and what hes doing or are they localizing the issues and saying no i care about whats happening here in my district on the ground. My district is urban, suburban and rural. They are concerned about the president and still can believe hes the president or they dont like what hes doing. But they have to face their every day needs around health care, around having a job, having job skills, education. You know thats something thats local and they have to deal with every day. So just their quality of life is what people are looking at. They are also aware some of these things when it comes to their quality of life they are being affected by washington, the decisions coming out of the white house. Definitely. I want to play you a piece of sound that the president just said yesterday. Can we click on. That for a minute, please . I let everybody testify. Theres never ever been transparency like this. No obstruction, no collusion. Total transparency. The history of our country theres never been a president thats been more transparent than me or the Trump Administration. I cannot get past this issue of transparency. This is what we hear as reporters from voters. They want to talk about transparency. They want to talk about people shaking up the machine. How do democrats in your position confront trumps messaging while also not overplaying their hand when it comes to things like we talked about impeachment . First of all, and i respect the office, but he lies so much. What he just said is a lie. Hes not transparent. And hes not honest. But i think that, you know, we have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Yes we have to do the investigations and hearings and those kinds of things but we also have to prove to the American People, to our constituents, we know how to govern and move this country forward. I think weve done that. Weve shown in the first 100 days with some of the things that weve passed like the background check bills, and hr1 dealing with ethics, and violence against womens act, so we are moving. Were really multitasking, passing what we need to pass, and its very difficult since the senate is not, you know, passing anything, and doing our investigations. We just have to keep doing both but its very important and we dont have a lot of time that we prove to the American People that we know how to govern and move this country forward. All you congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle have your work cutout for you. Lets talk about why sorry seems to be the hardest word for joe biden right now. Is it his achilles heel . Well break it down. Thats coming up next. Do your asthma symptoms ever hold you back . About 50 of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. Eosinophils are a key cause of severe asthma. 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Im tom steyer and we cant let this president destroy the public trust, break his oath of office and get away with it. Congress has to do its job and hold him accountable. Please call them at this number. Tell them to get going. Fresh scrutiny of 2020 candidate joe biden after his recent talk with anita hill. Biden is asked about that conversation which his Campaign Said came over the phone in recent weeks after anita hill told the New York Times i cant be satisfied by simply saying im sorry for what happened to you. Ill be satisfied when i know theres real change and real accountability and real purpose. Heres what joe biden had to say. Im sorry she was treated the way she was treated. I wish we could have figured out a better way to get this thing done. I did everything in my power to do what i thought was within the rules, to be able to stop things. I think what she wants you to say is im sorry for way i treated you not the way you were treated. That would be closer. But bu, but, im sorry in th way she got treated. If you go back to what i said and didnt say, i dont think i treated her badly. All right. So joining me now is information ceo of the dnc, also the former executive director of emilys list and adrian cohen a Boston Herald radio host. With those comments coming from joe biden will they go far enough for democrats if not for anita hill . Well i think theres two pieces to this dialogue. The first obviously is between the Vice President and between miss hill and i think we have to take her at her word in terms of an apology and what feels authentic and sincere to her and the timing of that. I think shes owed an apology and we can all agree on that. But the second part of this is, how do you run for president in 2020 in this new era, in this moment and the Vice President has a 40 year history thats going to be looked at and talked about and this is one piece of that. I think miss hill is not wrong. I think hes continuing to work on that. I think hes probably got still more work to do. I dont think we can forget what were up against here which is a president accused of Sexual Misconduct by 23 women. His cabinet is down. Half of the women have left. We have to understand so the dynamic well be facing and the Vice President has some work to do and i think well see that work along trail over this next year. Lets not forget what were up genes. A president thats shown himself to be antiwoman not just in his presidency but over the last 30 years. You say hes shown himself to be antiwomen which a lot of biden supporters would disagree with. Im talking about the president not joe biden. The president has shown himself. Okay. Any trump supports would say the same thing. I want to go back to this four year history. Biden was questioned about women who accused him of unwanted contact. Heres the deal. I have to be and everybody has to be aware of private space of men and women. Look, im really sorry if they, what i did in talking to them, trying to console, that, in fact, they took it a different way. Im sorry i invaded your face. So i invaded your space. Im sorry it happened. But im not sorry in the sense that i think i did anything that was intentionally designed to do anything wrong or be inappropriate. Adrian, the big question is, is this enough . Are you sensing a theme in his response to these women and to anita hill . Yeah. I believe, you know, it was a nonapology and basically thats going hurt him because its going to turn into a protracted apology tour and instead of moving forward and talking about his positions and what he wants changed in america, should he be elected, hes now going to were going backwards 28 years ago. We heard him kind of addressing some of those pest there. Also when it comes to republicans, are their hands tied when it comes to the debate on this one . I mean especially when it comes to as we heard President Trumps own history . No, not at all. First of all, i have to push back on some things that were said. President trump has empowered more women. Its a powerful executive positions in his administration that hes not getting credit for. Gina haskell made history as the first woman as the head of cia. Also look at the Unemployment Rate for women. Its at a historic low. So that empowers women by giving them financial opportunity and ability to achieve the American Dream and achieve financial independence. That should be applauded by all women. So i dont think hes antiwomen whatsoever. Hes done more for women in the past two years than president obama did in eight. Look at the poverty rate under president obama for women. I hold that up against President Trump any day of the week. So i want to say that. But with respect to the allegations of Sexual Misconduct against President Trump, 99 of these allegations are false. They are unsubstantiated. Show period one woman that can prove he did something wrong . I would like them to come forward. Look what happened with where are you getting the 98 of those allegations are false. Where is that coming from. Show me one thats actually true thats been substantiated and corroborated. Show me who they are. And, you know, look at joe biden. Theres just anybody can go to the internet and find a laundry list of him touching young women and girls inappropriately. That will hurt him in the me too era. He better tread carefully because if he wants to dish it out to President Trump bush Vice President biden is no predator. Thoseses dont exist around him. We need to be careful about this. That does not exist around him. I think that as we move forward through this campaign all democrats including Vice President biden but every single democrat thats running has a better record in support of policies that support women, in supporting and uplifting women. In terms of women in Trump Administration a lot have left. We tuned culture thats there right now. I welcome that debate to have welcome that debate in the next year and a half which party will be better for women. This election will be decided by women. This is a really important debate to have. I want to jump in here for a minute bus also, i appreciate your response. Adrian i want to go back to something you said about this Unemployment Rate. Remember we talk to trump surrogates and supporters. If hes talking about black people. First thing he says is look at this Unemployment Rate. He takes credit for this low one employment rate. Is there not a difference between policy and rhetoric . Where do you draw the line, adrian . If youre saying im having these policies that you claim are supporting women and some people are claiming it supports africanamerican you hear this rhetoric many say is very problematic. How do you, why do you put more weight on the alleged policy than the rhetoric . Well we just have to look at the facts. If you look at the bureau of labor statistics, the Unemployment Rates for women and africanamericans are historic 50 year low. President trump created over 5 million new jobs. Were at a point now where theres too many jobs, basically, we have more Jobs Available than people able to fill them. Thats a good thing. That gives all americans choice and mobility. Not happy at your job you can switch your job. Negotiate higher wages. Look at the fact wages are up for women, for all americans. So this is something that helps women. So many im hearing your point but i see jess shaking her head. I want to make sure we give the last word. Lets talk policy for one minute in terms of policies that help women. We need an increase in the minimum wage. We need equal pay for women for equal work. These are things that republicans and Trump Administration dont support. Violence against women. Republicans consistently kill the violence against women on. Joe biden has led on. Were happy to have that conversation not justin political rhetoric but on the policies themselves. You know the Trump Administration is no friends to wlem it women whether its about pay, position or how we treat women in this country. Whats also interesting while were talking mostly about joe biden and the president in this discussion is also going be very interesting to see how the 2020 field plays out with the number of female candidates who are also running and how that changes our conversation. Thank you both for joining us this morning. So she is the only russian sentenced to prison in the false out from the Mueller Investigation but why was maria butina an alleged threat to america . Well have that and more coming up next. Its just that its. Lavender. Yes it is, its for men but i like the smell of it laughs going back to the doctor just for a shot. With neulasta onpro. 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It was the failure toe notify that created her crime. 18 months, i guess as a defense im im somewhat biased, maybe a little high compared to what the defense was asking for but it was exactly what the government was asking for. You talk about this caveat about the failure to notify and i think thats a really important point. When you say its a little bit high, she did plead guilty, so should she really have served 18 months . Would that have been a more appropriate sentence then say the nine months she will serve . She pleaded guilty. In addition she cooperated, she gave substantial assistance, which gives a potential unlimited reduction in the ultimate sentence, nonviolent crime. Her Defense Attorneys had a solid ground to argue for a sentence, guideline range of zero to six months. Even at six months then with the nine months already served, she would have been let out. So 18 months is a substantial period of incarceration, exactly what the prosecution was looking for, even though she had substantially assisted the government. But is there any lasting threat . I mean because what i do find interesting is she will be immediately deported back to russia at the conclusion of her sentence. What does that tell us about the concern the judge had about her being the u. S. . Its a fascinating issue. I had it come up in my cases where a defendant is sentenced and immediately after that sentence, they are deported. So were willing to spend the money to incarcerate this person but were going to send them out of the country immediately afterwards. Seems like we can save a few bucks and just minimize the sentence and send the person out of the country. Really, the judges hands are tied. This is the kind of conviction that results in an automatic deportation for somebody in butinas position, citizen status or nonstatus. She will be deported. That is the law. Its not necessarily a discretionary thing the judge imposed. Thats the way deportation proceedings work after a crime like this. Quickly, why not deport her right away . Why not wait . As a defense attorney, i often wondered the same thing if the law required deportation. Its interesting our philosophy of criminal punishment requires we hold on to the person, pay to incarcerate and house them for just long enough we feel the sentence is just and then we spend the money to send them back to their country. It seems like a large expenditure of money for punishment. But then again under the principles of punishment retribution, we must hold that person for as long as we deem it, society deems it necessary they pay their debt to the american public. Danny, thank you as sauls for the good discussion and waking up to early this morning. Appreciate it. Next up, the 2 million question. Were talking about a hostage that north korea wanted the u. S. To pay. You seen my glasses . 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