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Almost over. Plus, the coronavirus outbreak as bad as its ever been with cases, hospitalizations, and deaths hitting record levels. With the United States once again in a fullblown crisis, the question is, will we see more lockdowns . And progress in covid relief talks, as Mitch Mcconnell and nancy pelosi are finally negotiating again. The question is, are the sides too far apart to strike a deal by the end of the year . Its way too early for this. Good morning welcome to way too early, the show that has had plenty of time to Practice Online shopping ahead of the holidays. Were ready for it. Im kasie hunt on this friday, december 4th. We will start with the news. The president is disappointed in his attorney general for not looking hard enough into why he didnt win the election. Bill barr said this week there wasnt enough evidence of fraud to overturn the election, making him the Top Administration official to speak the truth. But will barr, whose job is not to be the president s personal attorney lets remind everybody will barr remain at the Justice Department . Do you still have confidence in bill barr . Ask me that in a number of weeks from now. They should be looking at all of this fraud. Okay. Trump has just 47 days left in office. Nbc news reports that the president has not ruled out firing the attorney general but that a sudden departure is not seen as imminent. I guess wed better just watch his twitter feed for that. And despite what they are saying in public, it sure seems like a lot of republican senators are quite aware joe biden will be our next president. There have been more than several sitting republican senators who privately call me and congratulate me. And i understand the situation they find themselves in. And until the election is clearly decided in the minds where the Electoral College votes, they get put in a very tough position. Biden believes that in ten days, most republicans will start to publicly acknowledge his win. That is, of course, when the Electoral College members formally meet to vote. According to our tally, biden has 306 electoral votes and has now received over 7 million more votes than donald trump did. Meanwhile, there is new reporting on the Justice Department investigation into that alleged bribery scheme involving a president ial pardon. Two people familiar with the investigation tell the New York Times that it concerned efforts of the attorney to Jared Kushner, abbe lowell, and republican fundraiser elliott broidy, who pleaded guilty earlier this year in a different lobbying scheme involving the Trump Administration. Its kind of hard to keep them all straight sometimes. The times reports this a billionaire San Francisco Real Estate Developer Sanford Diller enlisted their help in securing clemency for a berkeley psychologist whod received a 30month prison sentence on a conviction of tax evasion and improperly claiming Social Security benefits. Under the suspected scheme, they write, diller would make a substantial political contribution to an unspecified recipient in exchange for the pardon. Citing court documents, the times reports, quote, as part of the effort, someone approached the White House Counsels Office to ensure that the clemency petition reached the targeted officials. An attorney for broidy released a statement, saying his client was asked by mr. Diller to refer him to a d. C. Lawyer who could assist on a clemency petition. Mr. Broidy sent him to abbe lowell. Thats not lobbying, the attorney claimed. Lowells attorney said that his clients role was, quote, honorable, predictable, ethical lawyering. It was utterly predictable, given the task he was given to accomplish. Lowells attorney also said that if the client approached the White House Counsels Office for clemency, it was, quote, utterly routine. He said lowells involvement was in the early days of the Trump Administration in early 2017. Diller died in february of 2018. The white house isnt commenting and has referred inquiries to the department of justice. A Justice Department official told nbc news earlier this week that no Government Official is or was a subject or target of the investigation. When your lawyer needs a lawyer, you know youre in a little bit of trouble. Meanwhile, politico reports that the president is still considering preemptive pardons for up to 20 of his allies, but theres concern gee that it would look like an admission of guilt. Its been reported that the president has discussed pardons for his family and personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. According to politico, some around the president are worried that he could tarnish his legacy or harm a future campaign if he expands pardoning power in this way. Republicans have expressed frustration, but they have not confronted him over it. The president has not made any decisions about pardons, as he and his team contemplate the legal considerations and political consequences. According to three people familiar with the discussions. Joining us now, Political Correspondent for Business Inside insider, sonam sheth. We know that the president is very focused and im understating focused on his public image, how he is perceived, but we also know he is worried about what might happen to him and his family after leaving office. And it seems like in this pardon situation, those two instincts may be colliding. If he wants to run again in 2024, how does potentially pardoning his Close Associates and his own family on the way out affect that . I mean, it does it really seems to me that it would send a message, yeah, were guilty of something. Yeah. Good morning, kasie. So, the biggest thing, the biggest takeaway from the string of media reports that weve seen about the president considering pardoning 20 of his associates, his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, his three eldest children, his soninlaw, Jared Kushner the biggest takeaway from that is, despite what the president says publicly, the reality of his election loss is very much sinking in for him and hes sort of eyeing, you know, whats going to happen after he leaves office on january 20th, and especially what happens after he loses the president ial immunity that he has right now from being indicted, right . Weve repeatedly seen him express concern not just about the federal probes targeting him, but especially about two new york fraud investigations, because the pardon power does not apply to statelevel offenses. We saw him specifically single out those probes in the sort of 46minute rambling white house speech that he gave the other day that he posted on facebook, and he specifically was talking about those two new york investigations which shows that these probes are weighing on his mind. We know that his children could potentially be ensnared in them because the investigations primarily focus on the Trump Organization and the president s business dealings, which his kids are all intricately involved in. So, yeah, it certainly raises questions about not just the potential criminal exposure that trump and his kids could face post presidency, but also, what does this mean for his potential 2024 run . What we do know is that the public statements hes making about not conceding the election have a lot to do with his posturing for 2024, but all that could be up in the air if he and potentially those around him are indicted after he leaves office. Well, of course, its worth pointing out and underscoring that a federal pardon doesnt insolate you from those statebased investigations that you focused on. So its a smart point. Sonam, i want to talk about joe biden here for a second and what he had to say about republican senators who have called him. I mean, this is something that i track a lot on the hill, and its very clear when you have private conversations and i know a lot of people are frustrated by that reality but private conversations are completely different than the public ones. Whats your sense of its clear that this is kind of a personal move by joe biden to try and give these republican senators the space that they need. Hes talked about not embarrassing people and how thats helped him get deals done. Whats the sense behind the scenes of whether thats a strategy thats going to pay off in the long run or whether the partisanship in washington has changed so much, even since joe biden was in the white house as Vice President , but certainly, since he was in the senate, that those kinds of gestures arent enough to bridge that gap anymore . Yeah, its a really good question. The first thing i would say is joe biden has a record more so than a lot of other democratic lawmakers and democratic officials of, you know, being a bypass Vice President , being bipartisan when he served in the senate, and he has a personal relationship with a lot of these republican lawmakers who have been unable to publicly acknowledge his victory, but who according to him have called him privately to congratulate him. And so, a lot of what hes saying may have to do with his efforts to, like you said, bridge, potentially bridge those divides between a Democratic White House and a republican senate. And thats why so much of bidens agenda weighs on the upcoming georgia runoff elections. Its also interesting because we just saw reporting yesterday that one of the republicans running in that election, senator david perdue, has privately acknowledged joe biden as the winner of the 2020 election. He did so in a private video call with other republicans. And so, you know, with that tacit acknowledgement of bidens win, it also raises questions about, you know, whats going to happen when trump visits the state over the weekend, given the gap in messaging. A lot of nerves about that visit on the republican side. Business insiders sonam sheth, thank you so much for getting up early with us this morning. We really appreciate your insights and your reporting. And still ahead here, georgia is expected to recertify joe bidens election win today, but Rudy Giuliani went before state lawmakers yesterday in another effort to change the results. Plus, what joe biden is saying about the possibility that President Trump wont attend his inauguration next month. Well have those stories and a check on your weather when we come right back. Check on your weather when we come right back. Find your rhythm. Your happy place. Find your breaking point. Then break it. Every emergenc gives you a potent blend of nutrients so you can emerge your best with emergenc. Tonight, try pure zzzs all night. Unlike other sleep aids, our extended release melatonin helps you sleep longer. And longer. Zzzquil pure zzzs all night. Fall asleep. Stay asleep. Did you try it yet . Comparing plans . Oh yeah. They sure can change year to year. I found lower premiums and lower prescription costs. And those new insulin savings hundreds of plans, 35 a month. Thatll save you money. So uh, mark . On medicare. Gov now. Open enrollment ends dec 7th. Comparing plans. Really pays. Paid for by the u. S. Department of health human services. Welcome back time now for sports. Coastal carolina and byu have revived their opportunities to reach a Major College football bowl game. The two undefeated teams both ranked outside of whats typically new years six bowl range, will square off on saturday after coronavirus concerns canceled coastal carolinas originally scheduled matchup against liberty. Coastal carolina has already clinched a berth in the sun Belt Conference championship game. The addition of a quality opponent boosts byus weak schedule, which was rebuilt when power five conferences decided to play mostly league games because of the pandemic. This weekends game could position the winner for a chance to reach a major bowl early next year. Two of College Footballs top bowls, the rose bowl and the fiesta bowl, have announced that they wont allow fans to attend. The rose bowl, home to one of College Football playoffs semifinal games, it will be played on new years day in pasadena, california, requested special permission for limited attendance but was denied because of covid19 restrictions. And the fiesta bowl, which is going to be played january 2nd in glendale, arizona, wont allow fans but will allow families of the teams playing to attend. Meanwhile, alabama head football Coach Nick Saban has cleared covid19 protocols and will travel with the topranked crimson tide for saturdays game against lsu. Thats a big one. The 69yearold saban tested positive for the coronavirus on november 24th and said he received a Plasma Treatment during his tenday quarantine that worked wonders. Must be nice to have access to that kind of thing. We do wish him the best. There is a Bright Future on the horizon, meanwhile, for the nba champion los angeles lakers, after the teams two most important players agreed to new contracts on consecutive days. With lebron james signing a contract extension that locks him in for two more seasons beyond this one, free agent Anthony Davis will also reup in los angeles on the longest possible deal. Davis agent tells espn that the allnba forward has formally agreed to a fiveyear, 109 million max contract to stay with the defending champs. Wow. Meanwhile, the Big Baller Brand can now boast three brothers in the nba after the Detroit Pistons signed liangelo ball to oneyear nonguaranteed deal. The contract allows him to try out for the team in Training Camp and then join detroits G League Team in the event that hes waived. Outspoken father, lavar ball, tweeted that hes proud of his sons as liangelo joins his brothers in the nba. Lamelo ball was the last in the draft last year, joining the hornets, and the oldest, lonzo ball, is currently heading into his fourth nba season, his second with the new orleans pelicans. And the win streak for the topranked South Carolina Womens Basketball team has been stopped at 29 games. The gamecocks lost their first contest since november of last year, falling in an upset, obviously, to eighthranked nc state last night. The 5446 victory marks the wolfpacks first win over a Number One Team since 2007. Time now to take a look at your weather. Lets go to meteorologist bill karins for a check on the forecast. Bill, i think our saturday plans for a socially distanced outside visit with santa claus have been dashed for this saturday. What have you got . Yeah, just kind of depends on where you are. Certain areas are going to get hit by this storm and certain areas arent. Lets get into it. Right now the storm is in the southeast, just bringing rain to you on this friday from areas of alabama also to georgia. As we take the storm tonight, we intensify it, more rain for virginia, mountainous areas of tennessee and also north carolina. Then on saturday. Now, the storms trending a little closer towards the coast, so note that i paused this at 7 00 a. M. Youll wake up to rain most areas of new jersey, connecticut, also from boston southwards. And then the storms going to go right over cape cod, and that means a rainy forecast for coastal areas of boston, but snow inland. So, we have winter storm watches for much of massachusetts, new hampshire, and maine. And heres your snowfall amounts, kasie. This is not a big snowproducing storm, unless youre in maine or new hampshire. Its just going to be too warm and too rainy from boston down to new york city, so the kids are not getting their snow from this one. All right, well, i, for one, hope that snow days in general survive this pandemic with all the virtual schedule. There seems to be some concern about that, but i guess were going to have to wait to find out. Yes. Bill karins, thank you so much. Have a lovely weekend and well see you on monday. 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Despite losing the election, President Trump has managed to raise more than 207 million in the past month as he pushes false claims about election fraud. Trumps campaign has continued to solicit donations under the guise of supporting his legal challenges related to the election. But according to the New York Times, 75 of those donations are going to a new Political Action committee that trump formed in midnovember. The other 25 is going to the Republican Party. Only if a donor gives more than 6,000 do those funds go toward trumps formal recount. The times notes that the Trump Campaign didnt release a breakdown of how the 207 million was divided with funds split between the new pac, paying off campaign debts, the rnc, and two committees operated jointly by the party and the campaign. Its really not clear where your moneys going, folks. Meanwhile, president elect joe biden is weighing in on the possibility that President Trump may not attend his inauguration in january. Heres what he said last night in an interview with cnns jake tapper. President trump has not said if hes going to attend your inauguration yet. Do you think its important that hes there . Youre laughing. I think it would be important only in one sense not in a personal sense important in a sense that we are able to demonstrate at the end of this chaos that hes created that there is peaceful transfer of power with the competing parties standing there, shaking hands, and moving on. I really worry about the image were presenting to the rest of the world. Look how were viewed. Theyre wondering, my lord these things happen in tin horn dictatorships. This is not the United States. So, in that sense, the protocol of the transfer of power i think is important, but it is totally his decision, and it is of no personal consequence to me, but i do think it is for the country. So, thats where we are, folks. Still ahead here, with coronavirus cases skyrocketing across the country, well bring in msnbc medical contributor dr. Kavita patel to discuss the ongoing race for a vaccine. But before we go to break, we want to know, why are you awake . Email us your reasons to waytooearly msnbc. Com or drop me a tweet kasie. Use waytooearly, and well read the best answers coming up later on in the show. And it still smells fresh. Pour a cap of downy unstopables into your washing machine before each load and enjoy fresher smelling laundry for up to 12weeks. Lets be honest. Quitting smoking is hard. Like, quitting every monday hard. Quitting feels so big. So try making it smaller, and youll be surprised at how easily starting small can lead to something big. Start stopping with nicorette. Sprinting past every leak in our softest, smoothest fabric. Shes confident, protected, her strength respected. Depend. The only thing stronger than us, is you. Our own hopes and dreams. Well pass many milestones. 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And so far, nearly 277,000 people in the u. S. Have died from the virus since we first started dealing with this pandemic. President elect joe biden told cnns jake tapper yesterday that he is in full support of getting vaccinated as soon as its deemed to be safe. Do you plan to get vaccinated before Inauguration Day . And will you do it in public, the way that president s obama, bush, and clinton have suggested theyre willing to . Id be happy to do that. When dr. Fauci says we have a vaccine that is safe, thats the moment at which i will stand before the public and see that, look, part of what has to happen, jake and you know as well as i do people have lost faith in the ability of the vaccine to work. Already, the numbers are really staggeringly low. Former president jimmy carter and his wife, roslyn, are also showing support for the covid19 vaccine. In a statement, carters spokesperson says the former first couple are in full support of covid19 vaccine efforts and encourage everyone who is eligible to get immunized as soon as it becomes available in their communities. Carter joins the list of former president s barack obama, bill clinton, and george w. Bush who volunteered to take the vaccine on camera, if it will help promote Public Confidence. Joining us now, physician and fellow at the brookings institution, dr. Kavita patel, a former Obama White House Health Policy director and an msnbc contributor. Dr. Patel, its great to see you again. Thank you so much for being here with us so early in the morning. I actually want to start with what we were just focused on, which is this question of Public Confidence in the vaccine and the best ways to build that confidence. Obviously, we saw these former president s come out and say that they would do it. Im personally wondering, is President Trump going to do something similar, especially considering how his followers seem to pay so much attention to what he does . I mean, the maskwearing, obviously, became such a political act. They want to take credit for the operation warp speed, so it seems like he may be willing to, but im not sure hes gone so far as these other president s. What do you want to see from President Trump and from other public figures on this front . Yeah, kasie, good morning. And i completely agree. I think that public figures need to lead by example. So, because the president s, the former president s, and the current president , actually, meet some of what we expect to be early criteria, based on age and comorbidities, chronic conditions, i do think it would be a great example to see many people this includes, kasie, members of congress, trusted leaders, people of faith, people of color i think it would be an incredible example to be as visible and as public as possible. And by the way, kasie, thats in line with what weve done in past vaccination campaigns for really difficult things like the measles and the polio vaccine. So, i think there is some real credibility when you see leading figures. And ill just say it, kasie. Last night, a group of doctors, myself included, who were texting back and forth that we all want to be part of that. So, we were literally thinking of, you know, could we come up with creative hashtags and try to get a social Media Movement where we, hopefully, will be in this first of 25 Million People who get the vaccines, and we would roll up our sleeves and show people, this is safe, im doing it, and it can spread the message. Well, thats certainly something that we would be interested in here. And i think, you know, obviously, here on our platforms, but also media organizations across the country, hopefully, can also play a contributing role in helping you all get this incredibly Important Message out. What do you want to see from social Media Companies . There was some news this week that facebook was going to delete antivaccination messages from its platform. Its taken them a while for them to get there, but thats where we are, headed into the Covid Vaccination phase of trying to get this out to the public. How important is that . And how problematic do you think the antivaccination movement is right now as we head into this . Has it been growing . It has been growing, kasie. Ive already had just even with kind of very limited, you know, social Media Presence of many physicians and nurses, there has already been backlash on platforms such as twitter and facebook when doctors and nurses and technicians have said, you know, were excited to get this vaccine. One doctor i know put it bluntly and said, tears welled up in her eyes when she thought about the prospect of getting the vaccine, in a good way. And she was immediately met by backlash on social media how do you know this is safe . And heres what i have to say, kasie, social media platforms, Tech Companies in general, do have a part to play, but we need to be incredibly transparent with the public. We should not hold back any information, including what we dont know about vaccines, because that will be the way to deal with the antivaccination movement, and we need to kind of shift this to identifying the real enemy here, the coronavirus, not each other. And thats going to be one of the, i feel, on social media, that will be a credible way to talk about this as well as showing that, you know, im ready, im going to roll up my sleeve and get two doses whenever i can. Its a very such an Important Message that im sure were going to be hearing a lot more over and over again on our air, certainly. Dr. Kavita patel, thank you so much for being here this morning. Really appreciate your insights. And still ahead, how the pandemic has led one major Motion Picture company to change the way hollywood does business. Well have those details next in the cooler. Way too early back in just a moment. Ooler. Way too early back in just a moment my husband and i have never eaten healthier. 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I thought, one of my kids may have put a soft toy in there, but no, it was a live one. The koala rescue hotline operator also thought the story was a prank, and the rescues cofounder said, quote, apparently, it took a little bit of convincing that, no, amanda really did have a koala in her christmas tree. It was just so gorgeous seeing it sitting there, just looking out. The rescuers responded quickly and released little daphne safely into some nearby trees. Aw. Now i want a koala in my christmas tree. Im glad daphne is safe now. Meanwhile, Warner Brothers is shaking up the way hollywood traditionally does business. This is big. The Company Announced yesterday its going to be simultaneously releasing its entire 2021 Motion Picture slate in both theaters and on hbo max, blowing the usual 90day Exclusivity Window for theaters out of the water. The caveat is that the new films, like the matrix 4 and in the heights, will only be released for a month on the streaming service, and then theyll cycle out to films usual athome release schedule like dvd and on demand, before making its way back to the service. The announcement comes as the coronavirus pandemic rages on and fewer people are going to movie theaters, which have obviously been hit very hard. Toby emmerich, chairman of the Warner Brothers pictures group said the decision comes as the world takes the pandemic on day by day, saying, quote, its not clear that full normal will return, even well into the Fourth Quarter of next year. The epidemiologists who have been consulting with the company have painted a cautious picture. The Company Claims that this is a pandemiconly response, but many Industry Experts are speculating that once the traditional old rules are broken, its going to be hard to go back to the way things were. I think thats probably right. Still ahead here, were going to get the latest from capitol hill on the push for a new Coronavirus Relief package. And as we go to break, lets take a look at this date in history. In 2000, a pair of legal setbacks for al gore after a Florida State judge refused to overturn george w. Bushs certified victory in florida, and the u. S. Supreme court set aside a ruling that had allowed manual recounts. A Florida State judge, little known outside his courtroom until last week, may have finally settled the president ial election, almost one month after voters went to the polls. Judge Sanders Sauls turned back every argument made by Vice President al gores legal team in its contesting of the election. Gores legal team in its contesting of the election did you know that 70 of the soils on your clothes are invisible . Under u. V. Light, you see the invisible dirt trapped deep down. Try new tide pods hygienic clean heavy duty. For a deep clean, just toss in a pac. 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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell spoke yesterday amid a postholiday push for a new Coronavirus Relief package, as this rise in covid cases continues. Their first conversation since the election demonstrates that theres some new momentum to pass an extension of benefits before they expire at the end of the year. The Washington Post also reports they discussed a spending bill to avert a Government Shutdown on december 11th. We had a good conversation, mcconnell said, after his discussion with pelosi. I think were both interested in getting an outcome, both on the spending bill and on a coronavirus package. Both sides returned to the negotiating table amid growing support for a 908 billion Bipartisan Senate proposal that pelosi called a, quote, basis for immediate bipartisan, bicameral negotiation. The plan, which includes an extra 300 a week in Unemployment Benefits and sends funds to cashstrapped state governments, is gaining support among senate republicans, despite early opposition from leadership. The white house spokesman said yesterday, the president is in favor of the more narrow measure that was introduced by mcconnell. Joining us now, former acting secretary of labor under president obama, seth harris. Hes also currently advising president elect bidens Labor Department transition team. Seth, good morning its great to have you here on way too early. I want to talk about the economic ramifications here, because, clearly, this package is smaller than what democrats wanted, and its taken months to get this far, to get to the point where we finally see some light at the end of the tunnel in these negotiations. Theres a lot of damage thats been done in this time. What do you think is the task thats going to face joe biden, even if they can get this covid stuff out the door before the holidays . When biden takes office, whats at stake . What are how bad is it going to be in the economy . Were still going to be millions of jobs short of where we were in february, before the pandemic hit. Were still going to have tens or hundreds of thousands of americans online at food pantries, waiting to be able to feed their families. Were still going to have, perhaps, tens of millions of Americans Still collecting Unemployment Benefits. The economy is still in a hole, and we need to start the effort to get it out of that hole and start pushing it forward. And let me say, this 908 billion bill is a start. In my view, its not enough, but its an important start to get us going in that process. So, what do you think the first thing is going to be that bidens going to need to do when he takes if us . Mcconnell said, essentially, this is only a piece of whats likely to be done, that theres likely going to be another large package that will come with the new administration. Its the first time he used the phrase new administration. What do you think that needs to look like, to try and shore this up . Well, i think the Senate Majority leader is right, and president elect biden has been talking about this extensively. This Coronavirus Relief package thats being discussed right now and that we hope will be passed during the lame duck, is just the start. You know, again, were going to be millions of jobs short, so were going to need substantial investments in job creation throughout the economy. The president elect laid out a plan called the build back better plan, to invest in infrastructure and manufacturing in the energy sector, in education, and the caring economy, in order to create goodquality, middleclass, union jobs. Thats what we need in order to bring the American Economy back, is to grow it from the middle out with good, solid, middleclass jobs. Thats going to be one of the early tasks of the biden harris administration. Tasks of the bi administration, but the first task is crushing the coronavirus pandemic. As long as this pandemic is out there and tens of thousands of americans are getting sick every week and thousands are dying every week, we are not going to be able to overcome the economic challenges we are facing. Yeah, very clearly thats the case. Quickly, whats the disconnect . The stock market is doing so incredibly well. Billionaires are making so much money. Thats supposed to reflect the actual productivity in the economy, but we all know looking around at our daily lives that it doesnt. There is no connection between the stock market and the real economy anymore. The Federal Reserve has flooded wall street with money so thats what theyre doing. Theyre buying stocks with it and its growing. It is not a reflection of whats happening on main street in the least. All right. Seth harris, thank you so much for getting up early with us. We really appreciate it. Earlier on in the show we asked why are you awake . We got this, getting ready for the icu shift caring for covid19 patients. Definitely way too early. Thank you for everything youre doing, samir. We really appreciate it. Curtis emailed im up because me and my wife celebrated our 30th wedding anniversary today and im wide awake. Happy anniversary thats a big one. And from tisch, we are tweeting at you because my cat noodle is hoping to see himself on tv. Well, here you go, noodle. Your television debut. Thank you for watching. I feel like you dont necessarily look like you want to be awake at this hour but were very happy to have you. I also got this note from jackie on twitter. No fing idea, says my husband, happy friday. I feel that way sometimes too. 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Its like a depression and that looks like it will continue well into january. You talked about the virus on the episode today. It now looks like youre probably going to be in the thousands of deaths per day. And the vaccine, a few people might have gotten it by then, but youre many months from having it in full force. Then outside of the white house youll have donald trump who continues to raise a ton of money, who is going to announce hell run in 2024. Kind of making life as difficult as possible for you on the outside, so congratulations, you won. Now heres what you have to deal with and it will be a lot. You have reporting on the ways in which trump is trying to do exactly that, to try to hang on to power and be a force on the outside to try to influence the biden administration. I mean, this seems like a real open question to me. He obviously can command a lot of attention but he lost, so whats your sense of how successful trump is going to be able to do that and whats he doing with the machinery of the party to try to underscore it . Its always tough, because theres not a ton of organization around what trump wants to do. One, hes raising a lot of money, hes raising a couple of hundred million bucks since the election and hes using it to challenge the results but a lot he can stay relevant politically. Hes talking about doing rallies and such post presidency to keep him in the mix. If he announces that hes going to run, hes just going to naturally take a lot of attention anyhow and his favorite person, his ally, will be running the Republican National committee and thats infrastructure. That gives you power. That gives you relevance. So there is a vigorous debate happening behind the scenes about whether or not he starts to fade or whether hes done a lot of damage to himself post election by challenging all this stuff and always a faulty logic and law, but like you talk to the other people who want to run in 2024. How are you going to do it and carve out a new identity for the Republican Party if donald trump still commands their attention on facebook, newsmax, fox news. Theres almost nobody. If you and i debated whos the second most powerful republican i guess Mitch Mcconnell but hes not going to run in 2024. Thats nobody out there in the lead as long as trump wants to be president and hell always want to be president. Thats where i get totally hung up. You cant beat nobody with nobody and its unclear if theres anyone. Do you think what happens in Georgia Matters in answering this question . If what the president has done essentially causes the republicans to lose the two races because people dont show up, does that change the calculus . To be honest, i just try to look at what the recent history has shown us. He never gets blamed by the people. He might get blamed by the politicians and lots of people in washington that you and i talk to have had it with him and want him to move off stage, but 90 of the party is still supportive of him, theyre probably going to blame somebody else and his power comes from the fact that he can still command the attention, the money, and the affinity from most of the republican base. As long as that exists, that gives him power. This idea that you could rewrite the story of the Republican Party and chart a new direction, like how . Like where . I guess you can do it legislatively, but you wont control the agenda and you have him controlling the media and whoever has the microphone or the stage tends to have a dominant role in how people think about the party. And the republicans are still afraid of that base that gives him all of that power. Jim vandehei, thank you for being here on way too early. Next week is the critical week as to whether or not americans will get the help they need in congress. Dont go anywhere. Thanks for getting up way too early on this friday morning. Morning joe starts right now. Nobodys done what we have done what i have done, despite whats going on