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These decisions should not be between a person who needs health care and the government and politicians. It should be between a woman and her doctor, that is the ultimate goal right there. Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs yesterday highlighting her Executive Orders to prevent abortionrelated prosecutions as her state is now at the center of the fight for reproductive care. Well have the latest on efforts to repeal that states controversial abortion ban in just a moment. Also ahead, Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial is still on track to start on monday, and now were learning who may take the witness stand. And well look back on the life of o. J. Simpson, one of the most divisive figures in modern american history. Good morning and welcome to Way Too Early on this friday, april 12th. Im jonathan lemire. We made it to friday. Thanks for starting your day with us. We will begin here with this headline. The first criminal trial of a former american president is set to get under way on monday. This is history around the corner. Despite repeated attempts by Donald Trumps legal team to delay the proceedings, Jury Selection in the Hush Money Case will begin in a manhattan courtroom. The trial will center on allegations that trump try today conceal payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels in an effort to cover up an affair that would have been damaging during that years election. Nbc news has obtained a list of potential prosecution witnesses. It includes Stormy Daniels as well as former trump fixer michael cohen. Former trump spokesperson hope hicks could also be among those called. Prosecutors say she was on phone calls with trump and cohen around the time of the payments. The list also includes several former Trump Organization employees. Donald trump could potentially take the stands in his own defense at some point during the trial, estimated to take about 6 weeks or so. Well have much more on this later in the show. To politics now. Vice president Kamala Harris Will Travel To Arizona today just three days after that States Supreme Court ruled that an 1864 law criminalizing nearly all abortions can indeed be enforced. While in arizona the Vice President is expected to underscore the stakes of the 2024 election for Abortion Health care and reproductive freedom. Harris is also expected to emphasize that tuesdays ruling by arizonas high court was made possible by former president donald trump. Earlier this week trump bragged he was proudly the person responsible for overturning roe v. Wade, which opened the door to Abortion Health care bans in several states across the country including now arizona. Yesterday the bidenharris Reelection Team announced a new paid media blitz including an additional sevenfigure investment this month targeting the state of arizona and key voters focused on abortion rights. Meanwhile, Arizona Republican Senate Candidate kari lake has made calls to State Lawmakers in an effort to repeal this abortion ban. Thats according to a republican legislator who told nbc news they received a call from lake. On wednesday the gopcontrolled House Shutdown Discussion on a proposal to overturn the law. Lawmakers will not meet again until next wednesday. In the wake of this weeks ruling, lake has flipflopped on the issue and is now trying to project a more moderate stance. This total ban on abortion that the arizona Supreme Court just ruled on is out of line with where the people of this state are. The issue is less about banning abortion and more about saving babies. I agree with President Trump, this is such a personal and private issue. I chose life, but im not every woman. I want to make sure that every woman who finds herself pregnant has more choices so that she can make that choice that i made. Lake using her trademark soft filter in that new ad. Just to be clear thats not at all what she was saying two years ago when she was running for governor. Lake said then she totally opposed abortion, abortion pills, and called the 1864 statute a great law. Elsewhere in politics House Speaker mike johnson will meet with former President Trump today at his maralago estate. The two are expected today deliver a joint Press Conference, though lets be clear we dont know if theyll take questions. The subject Election Integrity. This meeting at maralago comes as johnson is struggling to get his party to rally around a legislative agenda, one that trump has been helping to undermine. Johnson is also facing threats of being ousted by georgia representative Marjorie Taylor greene and a few other far right wingers. The Biden Campaign released this statement ahead of todays meeting writing in part, the American People do not need to hear a lecture on Election Integrity from two men who tried to overturn the 2020 election. It should come as no surprise that two losers, one trying to keep his job, one trying to get his old job, are teaming up to spread lies and misinformation. Joining us now politics editor for bloomberg news, laura davidson. Good to see you this morning. Youve been following this meeting today between trump and johnson at maralago. It comes as we note when johnsons hold on his job is tenuous. Donald trump didnt save him. Two parter here. First of all, tell us where the trumpjohnson dynamic is like in terms of speakership. But also what do we think were going to hear from them today . This is transactional politics at its finest. Trumps team is not pleased by these efforts to try to oust johnson from his job. They just think itll bring chaos and distract in a president ial election year, and they dont want to go through what happened last october when mccarthy was ousted and it was several weeks of republicans fighting amongst themselves to try to find a leader. Trump also gets something out of this. He gets to bring johnson down there, remind him, he, himself, trump is the top guy in the party and remind him of his Policy Positions which differ on different things, on abortion, on ukraine aid and fisa, which a procedural vote failed yesterday. This is really both men getting to to get their Political Goals met here. What this looks like is interesting, and they are expected to talk about this legislation to move forward that would ban noncitizens from voting. Ill note noncitizens are already barred from voting in the u. S. , but that will be the political story they can go out and potentially take questions and if they do, expect there to be lots of questions on abortions particularly after the arizona ruling this week. Thank you for that fact check and the meeting here, the timing is such many people on the hill think next week could be makeorbreak for ukraine aid funtding. Im sure trump will try to influence johnson on that today. Everything is shadowed by abortion. He heads to pennsylvania tomorrow, where hell attend a fundraiser and hold a rally. He hasnt had too many of late. Pennsylvania obviously a key battleground this time around. How does the campaign feel about the state they won in16 . Pennsylvania is one of the states in michigan and wic, this blue wall where biden has been doing better in the polls most recently. Its no surprise trump is going there to remind voters about himself. Its very noteworthy the Biden Campaign has been very organized and deliberate about opening Field Offices and kind of getting their ground operation setup, while trump is far behind on that. Hes spending more time trying to raise money, recommending more Money Raising money while biden is spending money on the ground trying to convince to raise money for voters. Your latest piece for bloomberg carries this headline. Trump allies are losing their luster as a key campaign tool. Its so striking. These rallies are frankly a political phenomenon of the last decade or so in terms of whooping up enthusiasm, also collecting data. Why are they less effective this time around . Yeah, so weve really seen a shift in what these rallies were. In 16 an 20 they were a novelty. We saw a big bump in fundraising a week orsy around the rally. That is not so this cycle. That fundraising bump is essentially gone. Really when trump sees more Online Fundraising come in around key dates in his trials, in his court cases, so the rallies just arent having the same effect. It has this more feel of groupies, the same people show up time and time again, so the campaign is picking smaller venues, theyre spending less money on these because theyre realizing theyre not getting what they were four or eight years ago. We can if that changes as the general election kicks up. Youre right hes having far fewer of them because theyre too expensive as the Campaign Struggles with funds. Politics reporter for bloomberg, laura, thank you. Still ahead on Way Too Early, oj simpson, the former nfl ledge nld acquitted of Double Murder in a case that captivated the nation has died. What his family is saying about his final moments and reaction split reaction across the country to his death. Plus donald trump has repeatedly said he wants to repeal the Affordable Care act. Well take a look at what he is now saying amid new attacks from the Biden Campaign. Those stories and a check on sports and the weekend Weather Forecast when we come right back. Weather forecast when we come right back with powerful, easytouse tools, power e trade makes complex trading easier. React to fastmoving markets with dynamic charting and a Futures Ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you wont miss an opportunity. E trade from morgan stanley. When you have chronic kidney disease, there are places youd like to be. Like here. And here. Not so much here. 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Reporter the trial of the century and the death of the man at the center, o. J. Simpson, brings back the long les of a trial that concluded nearly 30 years ago. We just, in the above entitled action find the defendant orrinthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. Reporter that not guilty verdict in the brutal murders of his former wife and mother of two children Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend, reverberated around the country met by outrage by many who believe he was guilty and there was a mountain of evidence that proved it. When this prosecution came, we didnt lose today. I deeply believe this country lost today. Justice was not served. While many in Black America cheered what they saw as justice so often denied in their community finally done. The nation had been captivated just five days after the murders on friday night when 95 million tv viewers watched as simpson in a white bronco driven by a former teammate led officers on an hours long low speed chase reportedly holding a gun to his own head. He had been charged with two counts of homicide. Reporter finally, he surrendered to police. Within months, simpson went to trial, which was broadcast daily, much of the public following each days testimony. Judging the evidence in the eightmonth trial for themselves. I did not, could not, and would not have committed this crime. Reporter the trial highlighted many of the fractures in the countrys legal system bringing together celebrities, rapes, and the power of money. The defense dubbed the dream team was made up of Super Lawyers who were able to undermine the states Scientific Evidence while also capturing the jurys attention with their mastery of courtroom theatrics. If it doesnt fit, you must acquit. Reporter and the jury did acquit, a man who until the trial had led what appeared to be an accomplished life. He rose from poverty becoming one of the greatest Football Players to ever play the game. A college star at usc, Heisman Trophy winner, and record setting player with the buffalo bills. He became known as the juice yates. He went onto star in commercials and television and movies. And while he was acquitted of murder, his life afterwards spiralled downward. In a civil lawsuit he was ordered to pay over 33 million to the victims families. Most of that debt left unpaid. He returned to court multiple times over the next several years to travel violations, even pirating cable tv. But it was in 2008 simpson said he was taking back personal stolen property that ultimately sent him to prison. Count one, conspiracy to commit a crime, guilty. Reporter he served nine years. He died in 76 from cancer. His family said he was surrounded by his children and grand children. Fred goldman, ron goldmans father, did not mince words. Its no great loss to the world. Its a further reminder of wrongs being gone. Our thanks to nbcs Cynthia Mcfadden for her reporting. Meanwhile, after eight years of vowing to repeal the Affordable Care act without offering a viable replacement plan, donald trump now says he only wants to make obamacare better. In a video posted to truth social yesterday trump claimed President Biden is misrepresenting his position on the plan representing 40 million americans. Take a look. Im not running to terminate the aca as Crooked Joe Biden says all over the place. Im running to close the border, stop inflation, make our economy great, strengthen our military, and make the aca or obamacare as its sometimes known much better, stronger, and far less expensive because its much too expensive now, and its not very good. Despite trumps claims there as recently as november he wrote on social media that he was looking at alternatives to the aca, and he bemoaned the failure of a 2017 senate vote to repeal it. We should also point out in his video yesterday, trump said Terminating Obamacare was not his reason for running, but not that he wouldnt do it if he is reelected. And a quick note before we go to break, my book, the big lie an instant the New York Times bestseller will be out in paper back with new material that traces how election lies, those 2020 election lies have come to dominate the Republican Party and will dictate Donald Trumps political and legal future and shape the outcome of this years election. New material there. Well talk more about the book as that release date approaches may 7th for the paper back. As always appreciate you reading. Still ahead here, well turn to sports with highlights from the start of the masters. 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Federal prosecutors in los angeles say that the former interpreter for dodgers superstar Shohei Ohtani stole more than 16 million from the ball player to pay off Gambling Debts to an illegal book maker. 39yearold ippei mizuhara, according to an affidavit hes alleged to have made 19,000 wagers with the book maker between December Of 2021 and january of 2024, averaging nearly 25 bets per day with an average bet of almost 13,000. During that period records reflect total winning bets of more than 142 million, but yet losses of nearly 183 million, leaving a net loss of more than 40 million. Prosecutors say the Contact Information on ohtanis bank account allegedly was changed to link the account on mizuharas phone number and to an anonymous email address that has since been connected to mizuhara. Hes also accused of calling the bank and identifying himself as ohtani to fool employees into authorizing wire transfers from that account to people linked to the illegal gambling operation there in the state of california. Records from the investigation do not reflect any bets on baseball games. However, prosecutors say they found more than 325,000 in transactions on ebay and what not believed to be used to buy collectible Baseball Cards with the the intent to resell them at a later date. Mizuharas attorney and representatives for ohtani all declined to comment yesterday. Attorneys say theres no evidence he was aware of mizuharas actions. A stunning story there. We turn now to the links and augusta national. Livs golfs dechambeau with a onestrike advantage over world number one scotty scheffler. Play was suspended around 8 00 p. M. Eastern because of darkness with 27 golfers still on the course including five time masters champion tiger woods. He was 1 under. After the first round is set to resume later this morning with golfers teeing off with round 2 shortly afterwards. And heres a story that hits close to home. Tom brady might be having second thoughts about his retirement from football. In an appearance the seventime super bowl champion quarterback he opened the door at least a little bit to a potential nfl comeback. Lets say one day it is a situation maybe its the 49ers, maybe head to it playoffs, offense is great. Patriots, raiders, never know. God forbid somebody goes down, would you pick up that phone . Im not opposed to it. I dont know if they let me if i become an own arin an nfl team. Im always going to be in good shape, could come in for a little bit. I dont know if theyd let me, but i dont know id be opposed to it. Fingers crossed. Time now for the weather. Angie lassman with the forecast and a lot of rain on your screen. Doesnt he ever want to relax . Apparently never. Weve got a lot of rain parts of the great lakes stretching to the north east. Its going to be a soggy start to your morning so grab your umbrella. Youll want it. The commute might be a little rough with more of that rain working through today. Anywhere from a quarter of an inch to half an inch not substantial by any means, but also see melting snow because of temperatures in parts of new england. Thats going to add to the flooding concern. Wind alerts up and gusts anywhere from 30 to 40 to 50 Miles Per Hour through the day today in places like new york and elkens and up through buffalo. Its going to be a gusty one. The system will finally move out here as we get into the later parts of the day today, but notice these wraparound showers that are still going to be impacting that same region. Those will start to taper off mostly. Parts of Northern New England still dealing the rain and potentially a bit of snow as we get into the day tomorrow. Meanwhile the weekend looks like great conditions for the country. We have another Pacific Storm going to work its way in the coming days. Just a heads up weve got Severe Weather potential as we get started next week. Angie lassman, thank you. Have a good weekend. Still ahead on Way Too Early, House Speaker mike johnson is reportedly in talks with the white house about advancing aid to ukraine. Well talk to former congresswoman jane hurman about that and the situation in kyiv. Well be right back. Be right ba. Heres to Getting Better with age. Heres to beating these two every thursday. Help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need. Without the stuff you dont. So, heres to now. Boost. On medicare . Have diabetes . With the freestyle libre 3 system. Youll know your glucose and where its headed. No fingersticks needed. Now covered by medicare for more people managing diabetes with insulin. Visit freestylelibre. Us medicare. Her uncles unhappy. Diabetes with insulin. 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It previously operated as a thermal power plant that ran on coal. This comes as intense fighting continues on the front lines ahead of an expected russian offensive some time this spring or summer. Civilians piled into subway terminals below the streets of kyiv to take shelter. House Speaker Mike Johnson faces a rebellion within a part of his own conference over ukraine aid. His Majority Leader says hes Negotiating A Path forward with the white house over an assistance package. According to congressman steve scalise, johnson is working with the white house on a plan that would deviate from the Senate Passed aid package. Some options floated by republicans include turning the aid into loans, selling russian assets to generate funding and pressure in the white house to relax climate moves in exchange for support for the war torn nation. Joining us now former democratic congresswoman jane herman. Shes chair of the Bipartisan Congressional Commission on National Defense strategy and just recently returned from ukraine. Congresswoman, lets start there. Tell us a little bit about what you saw, just how dire a situation. Just a week ago, jonathan, i was in kyiv for two days with this commission on National Defense strategy. We were there to visit the Defense Industrial base in kyiv to see how the ukrainians its quite impressive are building low cost drones, more advanced drones, and tanks as well as trying to develop other technologies on their own to help win this war. There were no hits to power plants while we were there in kyiv, but we were told that the russians now are trying to hit power plants all over ukraine. The big problem is there is no new u. S. Aid. With all the stuff theyre making, they still dont have air cover thats necessary to block their missiles from hitting these important targets. We need to be acting yesterday to provide this aid and this endless delay in the house two months after the Senate Passed its bill by 79 votes out of 100 with 22 republicans in support is intolerable and embarrassing to the United States of america. So youre obviously very familiar with the legislative process, so lets get your thoughts on what mike johnson is doing right now. You know, talking to the white house off and on for a while, although the white house has said, look, pass the senate bill. We dont want you to renegotiate something new. At the same time johnson is going to maralago today and going to talk to donald trump whos in spoirt of this sort of aid. So where do you see this going . Well, i think johnson will finally get to yes on some version of the bill. If its not the senate bill as you were hinting, jonathan, then the senate has to pass the house bill and thats more and more delays. Every single day this is delayed ukrainians are dying. Theyre dying for their freedom and also dying for our freedom. And theres no question in my mind the next target wins at least if russia gains territory and gains confidence and gains weapons, lets go there from china, iran, and north korea, russia will keep moving through ukraine into nato countries. And when it gets into nato countries one of them at least will invoke article 5, the common defense provision, and we will be in a land war with russia. Thats got to be worse, its much more expensive and its totally avoidable. What johnson is now talking about is new fig leaves. Part of the aid will be loans. What does that do . It makes it harder for ukraine to deal with International Institutions like the imf. Hes talking about using some of the seized russian assets. Im fine with that, frankly, but the europeans are very reluctant, and most of those assets are in brussels, and that would be somewhat difficult to access. But the other thing is hes talking about is maybe renewing lng exports to europe. I would be fine with that piece. Its just fig leaves over fig leaves over fig leaves and excuses. And my bottom line here is his legacy or doing the right thing ought to be more important than keeping his job. Hes going to lose his job anyway in a month or two over some other reason given this one one person being able to vacate move to vacate his seat. An important conversation. Thank you. Former democratic congresswoman jane harmine, we appreciate it. Still ahead well go live to cnbc for an early look whats driving wall street. Plus the European Central bank holds Interest Rates steady and signals that cuts are on the way. Well dig into what that could mean for the u. S. As the Federal Reserve here deals with higher than expected inflation numbers. Well be right back. D inflation. Well be right back. With cascade Platinum Plus, i have upped my dish game auntie, in that dishwasher . 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So no doubt, john, theres quite a lot of focus on these upcoming Banking Earnings because they could suggest what theyre also expecting for the rest of the year. For the year its very important to talk about monetary policy. That could have implications in the way banks perform this year. Lets see what they have to say. Just quick recap for our viewers we actually saw wall street basically ending thursdays station on a higher note. We saw the nasdaq posting a fresh record close, and all of this because there was actually quite a lot of focus on tech stocks. We saw apple shares in particular up by about 4 at the end of the session amid reports they are considering overhauling their product. Also whats happening on the tech front. Central banks across the world including the Federal Reserve here in the u. S. Continue to wrestle with when to potentially cut Interest Rates in the wake of inflation and the like. But europe, though, seemingly ready to move. Give us the update, please. So when we heard from the Central European Bank Yesterday and reading between the lines they kept the door open for a potential first rate cut in june. That matters because when you compare the ecb with the fed, it seems that we are looking at different speeds in terms of potentially cutting rates. And in fact, during the Press Conference Kristen Leguard got a lot of questions about this difference in speed between the ecb and the fed. Ultimately, though, worth keeping in mind if the ecb moves a lot faster compared to the fed when it comes to reducing rates, that could put pressure on the currencies. We could see a lower euro and a stronger dollar. And of course thats also important for both central banks, really, as they assess the outlook for monetary policy. But just a final point to say that Kristen Leguard made it very clear that for the ecb what matters is european data. And if theyre ready to move to cut those rates, they will regardless of what the fed is doing. 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The Department Of Justice has unveiled a measure designed to crack down on the socalled gun show loophole. The term refers to the exemption in federal law that allows private sellers at gun shows and elsewhere to sell firearms without conducting Background Checks. Yesterday the doj submitted new regulations to the federal register making so that anyone, quote, engaged in the business of selling guns must register as a federally licensed Firearms Dealer and conduct background criminal and Mental Health checks on buyers. The rule set to take effect in a month but will likely face legal challenges and push back on capitol hill. The biden administrations latest effort on guns. Joining us now democratic congressman Morgan Mcgarvey of kentucky. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Wednesday marked one year since a gunman opened fire at a bank in your district there in louisville, kentucky. A shooting killed five people and injured ten others including multiple police officers. Where are we as a country when it comes to enacting reasonable gun reform . Polls show measures like this popular. Why is it so hard to get anything done . What do you make of yesterdays announcement . Im really excite pd about yesterdays announcement because its going to keep our communities safer, going to keep our kids safer. You should have to have a Background Check to buy a firearm in this country. But, you know, joined the long list of cities who experienced a mass shooting. In the wake of that tragedy as a member of the Gun Prevention Task force in d. C. I was going with my colleagues and talking oneonone but actually saying where can you meet us on this, where can we actually make progress to keep our country safer . I had great conversations, but time and time again i was told some version of the same thing. Yeah, we need to do something. Yeah, we can meet you somewhere, but the infra opposes it, we ultimately cant vote for it. That is the holdup. It is the gun lobby. It is the Gun Manufacturers i think that are paralyzing one party in particular in washington from passing these common sense gun reforms that will save lives. Guns certainly a major issue heading into this years election. So is abortion. We mentioned earlier in the show Vice President harris is headed to arizona today in the wake of that states ruling that a civil war era law that outlaws nearly all abortions is enforceable. We have seen, congressman, that since roe v. Wade was overturned, abortion has been very powerful at the ballot Box Including red states including red states. Arizona obviously more of a swing state. What do you hear from your constituents in the red state you represent . And how do they feel about this issue as we barrel into this election . Yeah, kentucky has one of the most extreme and cruel abortion bans in the country. Right now a woman cannot receive an abortion even in the cases of rape or incest. And this has really flipped the tables politically. In 2022 We Saw A Statewide Constitutional Amendment that would have banned all abortions in our constitution. It failed in kentucky. In 2023 where we reelected a democratic governor, we saw abortion as an issue, i would have never bet in 2019 or 2020 that you would see abortion as a winning issue for a democratic governor in kentucky in 2023. But this is the effect decision. When you look at how extreme and how cruel arizonas ban is, how many women are going to get hurt by being denied this health care, i think that this is going to have major implications in the 2024 election in arizona. Were up against a break, but wed love to have you back soon. Democratic congressman Morgan Mcgarvey of kentucky, thank you for your voice this morning. We appreciate it. Thank you. Up next on Way Too Early, hours from now, the focus of Donald Trumps classified documents case will shift to his two codefendants who are slated to appear in Federal Court and ask the judge to throw out charges that they helped obstruct the investigation. Thats next on Way Too Early, followed by morning joe, just a few moments away. vo dan made progress with his Mental Health. But his medication caused unintentional movements in his face, hands, and feet called tardive dyskinesia, or td. So his doctor prescribed austedo xr a oncedaily td treatment for adults. As you go with austedo austedo xr significantly reduced dans td movements. Some people saw a response as early as 2 weeks. With austedo xr, dan can stay on his Mental Health meds dan cool hair vo austedo xr can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntingtons disease. Pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, or have suicidal thoughts. 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They are said to help the trump hide boxes, then were part of a plot to destroy the evidence of the boxes being destroyed. Their attorneys argue they couldnt have joined trump in a scheme to hide the documents nor obstruct the investigation because they contend the pair knew nothing about the materials nor the probe itself. Joining us now, former u. S. Attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. Joyce, were always grateful when you can join us. Lets start there with the classified documents. What should we expect to hear from the codefendants, the attorneys today . Do you think their arguments have any merit . Well, its really remarkable that these motions have been set for Oral Argument in front of the judge, jonathan. This is not the typical use of motions in linine, meant to argue legal arguments. These are essentially about matters of fact, whether or not the government can prove these two defendants had knowledge of what they were doing. Thats the sort of issue that is normally left up for a jury to determine at trial. Itll be interesting, in front of this judge, whose rules have not always been straight up the middle in the view of legal experts, itll be interesting to see how she handles these motions. Seems like another move to stall that trial. Unclear when that one will begin, but we do know that trumps Hush Money Trial, barring something completely unforeseen, will start monday. The historic prosecution of a former president and, right now, the republican nominee for president. Give us, if you will, your thoughts on the witnesses we might hear from and what these first few days of the trial are going to look like. Right. Its worth noting you did say barring something unforeseen. Donald trump has been so intent on delaying this trial that im not certain that hes out of in his quiver. We may see a lastditch measure to prevent Jury Selection, which will be on tab. We dont know for how long. It could be days, could be a matter of a couple weeks. Itll depend on what the jury pool of potential jurors looks like when they get to work. Mostly what well see for the early days will be a series of jurors will be brought into the courtroom, reading out loud answers to their jury questionnaires, and then being questioned by the lawyers as they make the effort to separate jurors who can set aside anything that they walk into the courtroom knowing and any personal biases from those who have a bias and cant be included on the jury. How long will that process take, seating a jury . Its always tough to predict until things get going. The outside expectation here is it could run to weeks, maybe one or two weeks. Although, we saw the e. Jean carroll Jury Collection proceedings go quickly. Not exactly the same court. That was in a slightly different setting in a civil case. But i think thats not a bad proximate view of what will happen here. Shifting gears, we spent time earlier in the show on the death of o. J. Simpson. This was a trial that gripped the nation like none before and probably none since. Want to get your thoughts as an attorney and how what youve made of the prosecution, the defense, how they did it, and big picture. How a case like that really transfixed an entire nation. Perhaps it speaks to the importance of Televising Major Criminal Proceedings in this country so that people can see actually whats going on and not just pick up little pieces of the reporting. Jonathan, the Lasting Impact of that case was it really focused americans on the importance of forensic evidence, of Scientific Evidence. I think we all understand with greater clarity because we watched that case happen, that the prosecution does have a serious burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and that defendants do have a meaningful opportunity to push back on prosecutors allegations. Thats the lasting lesson of o. J. Simpson for prosecutors and defense lawyers. You know, youve got to make sure the evidence adds up because juries are very careful and very watchful. Joyce, we mentioned earlier there was the civil case, the Goldman Family still looking to get paid. They havent received anywhere near the full amount. Could that still now happen in death . Could the simpson estate owe them money . Well, you know, they can try to collect against the estate. In a criminal setting, once a defendant dies, if a defendant dies before a conviction is final, for instance, while its still on appeal, then that conviction is vacated. Here in a civil setting, once the judgment is final, it is still collectible. We heard from the Goldman Family yesterday, still anguished about what happened 30 years ago. It cant be said enough, that trial, forensic evidence, we werent as educated then, but we are now. For reasons, celebrity, race, class, the legal system, that trial nothing like it before or since. We appreciate your analysis this morning. Former u. S. Attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance, well be talking a lot next week. Thank you, joyce. Thank you for getting up Way Too Early on this friday morning and all week long. Morning joe starts right now. Well, former President Trumps Hush Money Trial is set to start on monday, and for the third time in three days, a judge just rejected his attempt to delay it. Yup. Trump is trying everything, even requested a delay so he can mourn the loss of o. J. That didnt work. Jimmy fallon last night. Good morning. Welcome to morning joe. It is friday, april the 12th