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We are in this is a mountain village, were about 30 miles east of the epicenter. And throughout this village, ali, there are houses completely destroyed and there are some like this one you can see behind me, partially collapsed, in danger of falling down. The family who lives here has spent two nights on the street, because they do not know if they can go back into that building, whether the roof is going to come down at them at any time. This is a village of 3000 people, the locals tell us at least 40 have been killed in the quake. So ali, that is more than 1 of the population that have lost their lives here. Among them, is the wife and the two daughters of a man we met a little earlier deeper in the town. He was at the graveyard, saying he doesnt know what hes going to live for anymore, having lost his family. They are part of a growing National Death toll, as you said, that cracked above 2000 earlier on today. And, ali, the Rescue Effort is treacherously complicated. The destruction is not concentrated in one area, instead it is spread through rural villages like this. And to get to them, you have to pass as we did earlier today, through winding, narrow roads. Many of which are blocked by boulders, by rockslides. And yet for all of that, the Rescue Operation continues. We have been seeing professional rescue teams here, turkish and italian teams, but ali, many of the people here are just locals. They are by hand, by patient hand, sifting through the rubble. Trying to save the lives of their neighbors. We are still in whats known as that golden window, the 72hour period when rescuers say they have the best chance of saving people. And yesterday, here, they actually did succeed in pulling one person out from underneath the rubble of the house. That is giving them hope that there may be more survivors. The thing they say they need most is heavy equipment. Both to clear the roads and to clear the rubble. It is a very difficult, the moroccan government is doing everything they can. One thing theyre trying is getting helicopters up here to the mountains to safely evacuate those people who have been pulled out from underneath the rubble. Meanwhile, not just here in the villages but in the major cities, in marrakesh and casablanca, you have Tens Of Thousands of people who are sleeping on the streets. Either because their homes are damaged, or because they fear that their homes could collapse. Among them are a number of tourists, marrakesh is a world famous tourist destination. There are americans among them. We spoke to a young man from portland who spent one night on the street earlier. Ali, the u. S. Embassy says there are no reports at this time of any americans killed, but they do say there are a number of americans injured. International rescue teams are arriving from all corners at the moment. One team from qatar, one team from spain arrived earlier on today. Elie, i can tell you, in rural places like this, it is going to be years if not decades before they recover. All right, raf, im glad youre there. Thank you, stay on it for us and well come back to you. Rough centers in morocco, well check back with him later in the hour. Lets turn to the latest in domestic politics. By olympians is, this seemed like another ordinary weekend during election season, with president ial candidates hitting the Campaign Trail and making the rounds at Early Campaign states. But a fastmoving effort to bring into play one small clause in the constitution threatens to completely up end the race for the republican nomination. And, quite possibly, knock out the front runner. The twice Impeached Multi Indicted Insurrectionist Former president donald trump, one month ago, the idea that Section Three of the 14th Amendment could disqualify trump from Holding Public office again was mostly conjecture. Something mainly debated among the inner circles of legal scholars. But a paper published this summer by michael stokes, a pair of prominent conservative Law Professors and members of the federalist society, brought a new spark to the conversation. That paper quickly prompted two of the most revered legal minds of our time, the Harvard University Professor Emeritus colleague lawrence tribe, and the retired judge to write a widely read piece for the atlantic, titled the Constitution Prohibits Trump from ever being president again. Professor tribe and the judge appeared on this show at the time of that articles publication to discuss how Section Three of the 14th Amendment is socalled, self executed. And that due to his role in the january 6th insurrection, trump is ineligible to hold public office. Their interest meant of the idea gave the movement a jolt of momentum, and now, less than a month after their piece was published, a lawsuit has been filed in the State Of Colorado by the Government Watchdog Group crew, on behalf of six republican and unaffiliated voters, challenging trumps eligibility for the presidency. This might be the strongest case to emerge so far that could eventually force the courts to determine whether or not the former president is allowed to appear on the ballot for the upcoming president ial elections and primaries. And perhaps more importantly, it will force the courts to clarify the meaning of Section Three of the 14th Amendment, also known as the Disqualification Clause, which states, quote, no person shall be a senator or representative in congress or elector of president and Vice President , or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States or under any state who, having previously taken an oath to support the constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. Now, thats the liberal reading of it. But the exact meaning of the Disqualification Clause and how it can be applied in real life has largely been untested for the past 150 years, simply because there hasnt been an insurrection or anything resembling one in the United States during that period. That is, until donald trump came along and brought american democracy to the brink of collapse in his desperate attempt to stay in power. As recently as this past may, trump has vowed to pardon a large portion of convicted january 6th rioters, if he is elected president again. And in june, he even spoke at a fundraiser for january 6th defendants, which was held at his own golf club in bedminster, new jersey, and promised to make a contribution to their legal fund. Now, reasonable minds have reasonably concluded that trump himself, in sight of the january 6th insurrection, but there isnt a lot of legal precedent that can tell us definitively if the courts will undoubtedly get this case, will interpret it the same way. So, lets go right to the brains of the operation. Joining me now is one of the legal scholars who helped bring this question to the forefront, this election season. Lawrence tribe is a professor of constitutional law emeritus at Harvard University. Hes the author of several important books, including the influential legal text american constitutional law, which has been cited more often than any other legal text. Professor tribe, it is good to see you again. Thank you for being with us. This is a continuing conversation between us, because there is a great deal of complexity and a lot of movement and it. So, i want to ask you first of all, in a post on what used to be known as twitter, you wrote that the colorado lawsuit is, quote, the strongest of the suits filed to compel secretaries of state to apply the 14th Amendment Disqualification Clause to trump. The six plaintiffs clearly have standing under colorado law and ironclad legal and Factual Research backs up their complaint, and quote. Tell me why you believe this case is strong and stands apart from others . Thank you for inviting me back. Its an honor to be on your show. I think its the strongest because the elaborate complaint explains that they dont expect and your statement of opinion about trumps disqualification to remove him. What they are asking the court to do, the state court, where these plaintiffs clearly do have standing under a colorado law, is to conduct factual and legal hearings, involving all of the evidence that many of us have seen and some have not professor, i need to interrupt you. Im very sorry about this, professor tribe. The president has just started speaking. Lets drop into hanoi where President Biden is addressing the crowd. My administration and the previous Secretary Of State, who is here with me today, is working with american officials on long distance. Working expeditiously to ensure american citizens in morocco are safe, standing ready to provide any necessary assistance to the moroccan people from now, ill tell you the important visit here in vietnam. As the secretary night just shared earlier today, this trip has been a historic moment. Today we can face 50year arc of progress in the relationship between our nations, from conflict to normalization. This new elevated status will be a force for prosperity and security, when and one of the most consequential reasons in the world. Our cooperation directly to vietnamese highest tier of partnership when referred to as the comprehensive Strategic Partnership. The United States have strengthened our ties with another critical indopacific partner. Our progress today goes on with japan and the United States. Commerce is Teasing Partnership the engagement with Pacific Island are strength and alliances with the philippines and the partnership with australia and the united kingdom, are elevated engagement with india, our strategy in japan, and the end of Pacific Economic framework for prosperity. And all the efforts weve advanced from day one of my administration to demonstrate to our and oh Pacific Partners and to the world the United States is a pacific nation. And we are not going anywhere. Now, let me also speak to significant business we got done in india during the g20 summit. This was an important moment for the United States to demonstrate our little reassure, and our commitment to challenges that matter most to people around the world. Investing in inclusive growth and sustainable development. Addressing the climate crisis, strengthening Food Security and education. Advancing Global Health and health security. We showed up ready to work, and we showed the world that the United States is a partner with a positive vision for our shared future. As the g20, at the g20, we made progress on issues like multilateral development, bank reform to get to those nations that couldnt qualify before. Debt relief, and infrastructure needs. Not only in the global south but other parts of the world as well. We forged a groundbreaking new partnership with them that will connect india to europe with the middle east and israel, with Transportation By Rail and by shipment through an Energy Supplies and digital connections that are going to open up untold opportunities for transformative Economic Investment on that entire we have also discussed russias brutal and illegal war in ukraine. There was sufficient agreements in the room on the need for just and lasting peace that upholds the principles of the charter, and respect sovereignty and territorial integrity. I want to once again think Prime Minister modi for his leadership and his hospitality in hosting the g20. Hammon i have had substantial discussions about how we are going to continue to strengthen the partnership between india and the United States. Building on the Prime Ministers visits to the white house last june. And as i always do, i raise the important issue of respecting human rights, and the vital roar role of restoring a prosperous country with mr. Modi. And weve got a lot of important work done, and im looking forward to another good day tomorrow here in vietnam. And now, i will take your questions. They told me they gave me five people here. Pierre reuters. Hi, thank you for taking my question, mister president. Hi. Last week, china questioned the sincerity of the Biden Administration. Im sorry, the what . The sincerity. The sincerity of the Biden Administration . Of the Biden Administration. And accused the United States of containing china, while pushing for diplomatic ties. How would you respond to that, and do you think president xi is being sincere about getting the relationship back on track as he bans apple in china . Look, first of all, the, i am sincere about getting the relationship right. One of the things thats going on now is chinas beginning to change some of the rules of the game in Terms Of Trade and other issues. So, one of the things we talked about, for example, now talking about making sure no chinese, no one in the Chinese Government can use a western cell phone, those kinds of things. So, what this trip is about, its less about containing china, i dont want to contain china. I just want to make sure we have a relationship with china thats on the up enough, squared away, everyone knows what its all about. One of the ways you do that as you make sure were talking about the same things. I think one of the things weve done, i try to do, i talk with a number of my staff about this at the last six months, we have an opportunity to strengthen alliances around the world to maintain stability. Thats what this trip is all about, having india cooperate much more at the United States, be closer at the United States, vietnam being close with the United States, its not about containing china, its about having a stable base in the end of pacific. For example, when i was taking time, talking to president xi, he asked why i was going to have meeting australia, india, japan, United States. I said, to maintain stability. Its not isolating china, its about making sure the rules of the road, everything from airspace and in the ocean, the International Rules of the road, theyre abide by. And i hope that, i think that president xi has some difficulties right now. All countries have difficulties. Economic difficulties, working its way through. I want to see china succeed economically. I want to see it succeed by the rules. The next question was okay, this is an important conversation whats happening. The president is taking questions from reporters, warmongering that, by the way, we will stay with that. I gotta go back to my conversation with professor were gonna watch whats going on, those are two important visits the president has been on to the g20 in india. Noticeably absent russia and china from that. Now, he has gone on to vietnam as part of his push to create a greater american presence in asia, to counter that of china. That was an important question. What i was talking with my colleague about this later on in the show as well. I want to go back to professor laurence tribe. Im sorry for that interruption, very little would cause me to interrupt a discussion at the, ableism of the president talk what Global Affairs is probably one of those things. Lets just, for my viewers benefit, go back to that first question. This lawsuit has been violent colorado, the president and his team have tried to have it removed to federal court, and then went back, i think, two nights ago, said, this needs to stay in colorado. It seems like the president and his team have agreed that thats where he has to be. Why is this challenging colorado the important one . The reason, and i hate to imagine interrupting the president , i think this is terribly important, who the next president will be certainly depends, in part, on whos qualified to run. The qualifications include not having taken an oath to uphold the constitution and then timid insurrection against the constitution and the principles for which it stands. Colorado is a special place in that respect because unlike many other states, colorado has a specific statute which allows registered voters to take the Secretary Of State to court and demand that the Secretary Of State exclude anyone who doesnt meet all of the qualifications. Even at the primary stage. Of course, one of those qualifications is that you not have committed to what amounts to treason against the constitution. The secretarys, and this lawsuit, going to be required to conduct a hearing. Not just supposed to shoot from the hip or offered opinion from the top of her head, supposed to hold a hearing based on all of the evidence thats been gathered every the january 6th on how the president tried to overturn a fair and free election by legal means, including not just fomenting a violent insurrection, but also giving aid and comfort to that insurrection through a number of methods, including fake electoral slates. That hearing is now going to take place in georgia unless the state trial Court Refuses to enforce the State Statute, thats not likely. Whatever the conclusion of that hearing, its gonna go all the way to the supreme court. Judge luttig and i both, even though we disagree on a lot of things, we logically believe that taking seriously every part of the constitution is absolutely essential to the continuation of the american republic. Thanks teal, were all reading your copies of the constitution. I want to read to you from the beginning of Section Three of the 14th Amendment in which it says, no person shall be a senator or representative in congress or elector of president and Vice President or hold any of office, civil or military, under the United States are under any state. And then it goes on. It talks about hold any office. I spoke with the colorado Secretary Of State on the show yesterday. One nuance that we were discussing is whether Section Three bars someone from running for office or being seated in office . It seems to me very clear that Section Three basically applies to holding the office. But the colorado law quite sensibly says, if you cannot hold the office, cannot be listed on the ballot, this is what this State Statute says. Thats what this lawsuit asks the secretary to enforce. Ultimately, the meaning of Section Three has to be explicate id in this ongoing litigation. If the u. S. Supreme court ends up deciding, no, it only prevents you from being president , not running for president , thats gonna create a terribly chaotic situation. The u. S. Supreme court is not always avoiding chaos. We dont just have to see how sweeping the disqualification causes. Have to be born in the United States and 35 years old, i plan to be on the ballot, the secretary of States Office should probably ask me to prove that im over the age of 35 and born in the United States. If im not, im not likely to make it out of the ballot. Thats exactly right. If you arent eligible for any other reason, suppose some people wanted to put barack obama on the ballot for the democratic primary or maybe bill clinton or they wanted to put george w. Bush on the ballot to run against trump, the reason they couldnt do that is the secretary would conclude that theyre not eligible because they have already had two bites of the apple in the constitution where its not allowed. This, is of course, more controversial, its not as mechanical. Thats why we have 140 page, whatever it is, hundred and 40 page complaint. Isthats why we have to have elaborate hearing. We couldnt say, oh, hes obviously an insurrectionist, and of case. Clearly, were gonna have to explore in this trial, the meaning of insurrection, what it means to be engaged in the, to give aid and comfort. I think its obvious to most people that if trump doesnt qualify, nobody would. The disqualification for insurrectionists would become a dead letter. Thats not what any part of the constitution is supposed to be. This is a major protective provision put in there because they realized that those who take them oath to uphold the constitution and then turncoat against it might not end up being prosecuted for anything. This is not a punishment. At the time, you know, people werent being prosecuted by Andrew Johnsons justice department. This is a disqualification. Its important for the survival of the republic that someone who has shown him or herself to be an insurrectionist against the constitution and not get another chance to try. Yeah, thats a very important distinction that i think of to keep on making. This is not a crime nor does a criminal punishment, its a disqualification. I want to ask you, we have a whole lot of people who are otherwise not consulting the constitutions, doing so as a result of your piece with michael luttig. The section, amendment 14, it has five sections to a. Section five is a clause thats repeated many times throughout the constitution. Its an ending sentence, the congress will have the power to enforce by appropriate legislation the provisions of this article. Tell me how you interpret that in this context. Is there work for congress to do here or not . When i spoke with you and judge luttig, your general view is you dont Need Congress involved in this. Thats right, congress could make things easier by setting up special procedures under section five for enforcing Section Three, just as it has put in place civil rights laws for enforcing the liberty and equal protection clause of section one. But like the liberty and equal protection clauses, this one has meaning even without enforcement legislation. States highest court renders the judgment that deprives someone of liberty without Due Process Of Law or equal protections of laws, you dont need section five, you go straight to the u. S. Supreme court and say, that decision must be reversed because its inconsistent with the language of section one. Likewise, a subtle court were to say, for example, we dont think you need to have a Disqualification Hearing about donald trump because this language died years ago. It is only about the civil war. There are few people who have made that argument. That argument, i think, would not survive in the supreme court. There is a number of others that might. Whether or not congress, which is not the easiest place to get anything done, in maximum force when legislation are section five, this section, Section Three of the 14th Amendment, it has to be enforced in every context where it is relevant to the decision. Professor, i have a number of viewers who are saying on twitter that these last few weeks have been like being in a law class with you and judge luttig, which will be quite a privilege of the two of you were to teach a law class together. We appreciate this. This is definitely more than sometimes somebody needs on a weekend morning, this is crucial important. We really appreciate the detail that youre getting into with your experience and your analysis. Lawrence tribe is a Professor Emeritus of harvard law school, the author of many very important books, including this one, american constitutional law, and a lawyer in the country has consulted with this book at some point in their working career. All right, President Bidens reyna holding a Press Conference in vietnam during a brief visit falling the g20 summit in india. Early in the day, President Biden met with the general secretary of the communist party of vietnam. They announced a new comprehensive Strategic Partnership between the United States and vietnam. Biden wrapped up a Press Conference from hanoi. Lets bring in nbc news correspondent, Janis Mackey Frayer, who is in hanoi. Following these developments. Giannis, theres been so much news going on domestically and internationally with ukraine, the earthquake. Kraine thi think some people have missd what the president was hoping to accomplish with the strip, both to the g20 and subsequently further in asia with this trip to hanoi. Well, this trip to vietnam for President Biden is important because its and upgrading over the relationship of vietnam. What they are calling a comprehensive Strategic Partnership. Its not something that vietnam extends to many countries. The u. S. Is taking this as a very valuable endorsement. What President Biden said was a Critical Partnership at a critical time. A lot of the discussions publicly are going to be focusing on semiconductors, critical minerals. The backdrop for all of this, ali, of course, its china. The u. S. Effort to bring one of chinas neighbors closer to the u. S. This comes with a lot of complexities. There are historical considerations here, the ties the vietnam has with russia, there are still warm. Just today there were reports that vietnam is in talks with russia for a new arms supply deal. There are a lot of considerations on what the Biden Administration saying this is a diplomatic win, regain one of chinas closest neighbors much closer to the u. S. Lets listen back in. The president continues with the Press Conference. He is still answering some questions. So, janice, stay right there, lets listen to the president. So, we have, i think the other thing is dawning on people, many of you are Foreign Policy experts, for a long time. Did you ever think youd be sitting at a g20 conference where everyone is preoccupied with the notion of Global Warming . Not a joke, did you ever think that . And my brother loves having, famous lines for movies, he always quotes them. One of them is, there is a movie about john wayne, and theyre trying to get, i think theres a patch, one of the great tribes of america, back on the reservation, hes standing with a Union Soldier, and theyre on their horses, in their saddles, theres three or four indians and headdresses, Union Soldiers. The Union Soldiers basically say to the indians, come with me, take care, everything will be good, and the indians scout, the indian looks at john wayne and points to the Union Soldier and says, he is a lying dog faced pony soldier. Well, theres a lot of lying dog faced pony soldiers out there about Global Warming, but not anymore. All of a sudden, were all realizing its a problem. Theres nothing like seeing the light. Lets see, i am just following my orders here. If anyone has spoken until im not calling on, yo i said, you have five questions. Anita . Thank you, mister president. I hope you didnt think that calling only on women who get you softballs tonight. I know better than that. Okay, well, let me start with president xi. If you sent me a softball, i wouldnt know to do that, strike out, it would be worse. Let me ask you about, you spent lots of time talking at all the time you spent with president xi, the importance of leader to leader communication, yet, you two havent spoken in ten months. I just wonder, are we worried that this is destabilized and u. S. China relationship . What are you gonna do about it . And if i may, on ukraine, sir . Upset the g20 communicate didnt name russia as the aggressor. Having managed to rally more support and sympathy across the g20 . Or is this emerging as a wedge issue with the global south . Does that change your commitment to ukraine . Its not a wedge with the global south, its a wedge issue with russia has representation. So, by the way, i am, my team, my staff, still meets with president xis people and his cabinet. I mouth is number two person here, excuse me, in india today. So, its not like there is a crisis if i dont personally speak to him. It would be better if i did, but i think, look, this is not a criticism, it is an observation, he has his hands full right now. He has overwhelming unemployment with his youth. One of the Major Economic tenants of his plan isnt working at all right now. Im not happy for that. Its not working. Hes trying to figure out, i suspect, i dont know, just like i would, trying to figure out what to do with the particular crisis theyre having now. But i dont think its a crisis relating to conflict between china and the United States. As a matter of fact, i think its less likely to cause that kind of conflict. I dont, anyway, i think theres other things on leaders minds and they respond whats needed at the time. Look, nobody likes having celebrated International Meetings if you dont know what you want at the meeting, if you dont have a game plan. You may have a game plan, he just hasnt shared with me. I tell you why, i dont know about you, i am going to go to bed. [inaudible]. Yeah, we talked about the conference overall, talked about stability, making sure the third world, excuse me, third world, the Southern Hemisphere had access to change, it wasnt confrontationally at all. Thank, you everybody. This has thank you. Okay, just to spare you from the elevator music, has wrapped up you are telling us his trip actually was. Those questions really underscore that, right . Its not just about russia, but there is this undefined relationship between the United States and china, something youve covered for decades, certainly for years. The president going out of his way to suggest but were not gonna fight with china, i get is alonna for china, he doesnt want to contain china, he said, he is language like, we want to make sure on the same page of china. We want to make sure theres stability in the region. Very interesting dance he was doing there to try and say, were here, were in asia, were not looking for confrontation with china. President biden, over the past several months, has appeared to go to lengths to downplay any friction that there might be between him and chinas president xi jinping, as well as the threat of the u. S. And china decoupling. Both sides are all about derisking these days but they have been trying to smooth the waters, so to speak, having very highranking u. S. Officials, resuming visits to china, and the expectation, the hope at least on the part of u. S. Officials that president xi will attend the apec summit in San Francisco november. This could mean there would be a Sideline Summit between President Biden and president xi. So, he was referring to that in this Press Conference because there was so much discussion about changing penns absence from the g20, that it is a snub, it is a sign there were tense relations between china and india, which is true. Xi jinping did send his deputy, premier li, and President Biden saying he met with lee chugging today to discuss the number of issues that are facing not only china and its economy but the u. S. China relationship as its trying to find its way forward. For vietnam, its why this will be very tricky diplomatic territory to try to navigate, ali, because vietnam is trying to appease all of the superpowers. It has relationships with the United States, with china, and with russia. It has issues with china, with a territorial dispute, the general friction in the region over chinas claims to most of the child south china sea. Itll be interesting to see how china reacts to this visit which appears to be warm between President Biden and the leaders of vietnam, as president xi is expected to travel here in the coming weeks as well. Already, Russian Defense officials have been here for talks. This will be very tricky territory for vietnam to navigate as it appears the u. S. Has scored a win in bringing chinas neighbor closer to the United States. Janice, theres a nuance here thats important. Its something President Biden this particularly good at. In the United States, there is a drumbeat about china. You know, there is a need for people to see this in black and white terms. Its china s china ally or adversary . Biden is trying to make it clear, the real situation, your expert on this, china needs to live in some space that its neither ally nor adversary at the moment. We cannot do everything some people would like to do to put china on its back the. We rely economically on china. China relies economically on trade with the western world. Well, trade between the u. S. And chinas still quite high. Chinas number three behind mexico and canada. There are still trade interests at stake. There are branches Business Interests at stake. Several American Companies trying to do business and china. Its becoming a murkier environment to do so. Because of no and laws that china has brought into effect under the umbrella of national security. Again, there does seem to be some very gentle stepping around the state of this u. S. China relationship. President biden not wanting to trigger any trip wires, so to speak, especially because they will be important diplomatically, important for the relationship, important for the two biggest economies in the world to find a way forward with relationships. I think a big part of that will be ensuring that president xi does make it to the apec summit so he and President Biden can meet face to face. Giannis, as always, were deeply grateful for your analysis of expertise. My old friend, janis, joining us from vietnam. Look, as a bulwark against a growing and somewhat aggressive china, the United States also really needs india. India happy to be the host to the g20 meeting that president was that before he went to vietnam. You heard in his question a little earlier, that tiptoeing, that dance he was doing about the relations between the United States and china, he is also doing about the relationship between the United States and india. Nbc news senior white house correspondent, kelly odonnell, was at this Press Conference right now. She was also at the g20. Kelly, these are my words, not your, as you do not have to lean into this, im going to because these are my people. India is rapidly declining into a country in which, as the worlds biggest democracy, sometimes doesnt feel all that democratic and is having some human rights issues. President biden did make a reference to that, both at the g20 and right now in his answers. There is been a consistent push from the administration to say that the president does address those issues when he is meeting with Prime Minister modi or other leaders at times, they emphasize that its important for the president to do that in personal interactions with someone like Prime Minister modi. A lot of concerns about press access, for example. As reporters, we believe its a stand in for the American People, its not about our work, our jobs, its about being represented for a democracy. Thats a big issue in india. The white house had to do a lot to expand the inclusion of the president s own press corps at some of these events. He was asked at the end of the Press Conference here about raising those issues, he said he did, this Press Conference was heavily focused on china. Many more issues that reporters gathered here wanted to ask about, have more review of the things that are on the president s plate right now. He had a chance to talk a lot about these meetings. Hes obviously invested a lot of his time and energy and being here. He talked a couple times about going around the world. It has been a vigorous and rigorous trip for the president in terms of the time zone changes, the meetings, all the different issues hes dealing with. When it comes to india, one of the things you are certainly seeing is that Prime Minister modi has a strong personality. His photo is about every ten meters and indian billboards. Hes a very big president s there. Thats part of welcoming the world as the host nation. He has the right to do that. You get a sense of how much his own identity is tied to the face of india today. The president wants to have that relationship be polite, even at times it felt a Bit Differential with u. S. Officials and forcing how much they have a partnership with india because of the important place to place on the world stage right now. Independent many regards, some relationship with russia, obviously a counter way to china. Where here in hanoi now, the president of course meeting today with officials and elevating the relationship. This is a country where its a communist party in charge. There is a long and intertwined history with the United States because of the war in vietnam. The president , particularly a person of his age, lived through that vietnam era, spoke about john kerry, the ambassador here who served in vietnam, made reference to john mccain. He will go and see the memorial for john mccain here in hanoi where he was shot down and then in prison as a p. O. W. Theres a lot on the president s mind when it comes to this part of the world and wanting to send a message of partnership, economic opportunity, but also wanting stability. In places where there are human rights abuses, there are concerns about freedoms, hes also looking for stability. Thats part of the takeaway here, ali. Its a treat for us on velshi this morning, miss odonnell, to have you and Janis Mackey Frayer giving your remarkable interpretation of very important global events. Im always happy to see you. Thank, you my friend. Kelly abdominal for us in hanoi, along with giannis in vietnam as well. Dont go anywhere, and more velshi after the break. Hi after the break so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. Meet the future. A chef. A designer. And, ooh, an engineer. All learning to save and spend their money with chase. The chefs cooking up firsts with her new debit card. Hungry . Uhuh. The designers eyeing sequins. Uh no plaid. While mom is eyeing his spending. Nice. And the engineer . Shes taking control with her own account for college. Three futures, all with chase. Freedom for kids. Control for parents. One bank for both. Chase. Make more of whats yours. Somebody would ask her something and she would just walk right past them. She didnt know they were talking to her. 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The last Government Shutdown happened four years ago, the month long laps over Donald Trumps border wall went down is the longest Government Shutdown in modern history. Affected hundreds of thousands of government workers. Dont worry, there is another item on their agenda, another unpopular gambit that is doomed to fail and likely to end an embarrassment. Some trump ballots and congress are pushing ahead with a plan to try to impeach President Biden. For white . I dont know, your guess is as good as mine. House speaker Kevin Mccarthy is tiptoeing around this impeachment minefield. He doesnt seem to be about him to it as he deals with grounds from republicans who think its a major waste of time, trying to keep the peace with the farright chaos caucus members were pushing for this Impeachment Inquiry and are, by the way, the ones who held up his election as speaker. A lot going on here. Joining me now, charlie depp, former congressman from the state of pennsylvania, director and Vice President Congressional Program at the aspen institute. Joe walsh, former republican congressman from illinois and 2020 republican president ial candidate, author of the book, f silence. I love you both, but charlie, off to you to the side for a second, you are always, how do i say this politely, joe . You embodied some of what were seeing in the cast caucus right now. I need you to get into their heads for me and help me out the math. There are, lets say, 20 of them who would like to see donald trump, joe biden impeached, have impeachment hearings, whatever it is theyre trying to achieve. There is almost equal number of republicans, more like what charlie was, who are not interested in this nonsense, some of them because theyre in districts that joe biden won. So, the math is not there. There is no possible math for joe biden being impeached in the house. Tell me, what is going through the minds of those people in the farright right now . What are they trying to accomplish . Ali, they look at where the Republican Party voters. A little bit of context here, 86 to 88 of republican primary voters right now are supporting donald trump, ron desantis, or revoke ramaswamy. As you said, hard right, crazy caucus, the caucus, this is a maga party. The vast majority of Republican Voters dont believe biden won. The vast majority of Republican Voters want biden impeached. These house republicans, the house more accurately reflects where their voters are than the senate, theyre gonna do the bidding of where their voters are. Especially, ali, on top of that, when you put the fact that the nominee of the party, the leader of the party, donald trump, hes demanding that joe biden be impeached. Thats whats driving this. Charlie, lets talk about the other side now. The republicans who either think this is messy and unnecessary, not great to run on in 2024. Government shutdowns, budget, you know, debt ceiling showdowns, things like this. You combine them with those republicans who won the houston districts that joe biden had won. What are they doing about this . How did we get around this . How does a moderate, i dont recall the moderate, how does republican it it will be part of the cast caucus and doesnt want that nonsense to go one have an influence here today . What they really need to do is work the senate. The summit ultimately is gonna drive this process. I see this playing out in one of maybe two ways. The house gop will send a bill to the senate to keep the government funded. A lot provisions that are controversial, very partisan, democrats wont support. It will go to the senate. The senate will send back a bipartisan bill to fund the government, to provide for disaster relief, and provide funding for ukraine. Theyll send it back to the house where Speaker Mccarthy will have to make a decision. Either have what the senate has something, rejected, some something that will lead to a Government Shutdown. A lot of these more pragmatic members dont want to shut down, they know the party making the policy demand, in this case, republicans, will be blamed for the shut down. Of course, its very disruptive and pointless, frankly. Thats how i see this playing out. Of course, there might be a side deal here to. Could be that mccarthy could get a senior vote from his hardliners in exchange for them getting a vote on an Impeachment Inquiry. Will be deeply problematic for more pragmatic members in competitive districts. Something they should not engage in. Thats how i see this playing out at the moment. Keep your tea party had on for a second. There is a world in which these folks where the chaos caucus, i could stop calling them the chaos caucus because they might hold very conservative him somewhat libertarian views with which i maybe dont agree but are worth discussing. We dont talk about these things. We talk about procedural junk that is holding up the business of the American People. There is a way to get through the underlying discussions. We seem to do everything, its all everything is about how bad i could possibly make this so you have to listen to my demands. How do we fix the system . There has to be someone in that chaos caucus who says, there is a better way to do this then taking Congress Hostage every time we want to do something. I mean this is a serious question. How do we validate the fact that they have political views that are different from ours but we cant stop the business of the American People just to debate these things . I continue to quibble with your premise about the crazy caucus as someone who is part of a crazy caucus, its no longer a caucus. I really think this point needs to be made for the American People to hear. This Republican Party now, ali, its not the party i was part of nine, ten, 11 years ago. It is now a fully mcgill party. This is not some this is the party. Yes, back in 2011, i was one of the leading voices, charlie dent was probably throwing things at me then to shut down the government. I wanted a serious conversation about government spending. Ali, as you say, now, theyre not interested in that substantive conversation. Theyre now radicalized. They want to talk about other issues that have nothing to do with government spending. They want to put forward issues like investigating donald trump, pulling back on these investigations that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. It is a radicalized party right now. Charlie go ahead, yeah . I was just gonna say, there is an answer though. The way you deal with this wrong group. There is no question it is wrong. You deal with the same way mccarthy dealt with it during the debt ceiling issue. He struck an agreement with Hakeem Jeffries to help him get through the procedural votes to bring up the budget agreement, which by my calculations was a pretty good deal. They marginalize that way. In other words, the democrats to help them pass the rule, and then passed the bill itself, where there were, you know, strong republican and democratic support. Thats a marginalized people, push them to the fringe. That means he has to cut bipartisan deals. That also means that exposes him to action from those that want to take him down, they take the share, the speakership. Thats the only way to do with this group. Which one might argue is what hes trying to do, joe. I mean, as somebody whos not in congress anymore, how do you evaluate what Kevin Mccarthy is doing . He doesnt want this to happen . He didnt the dead ceiling thing to happen, he doesnt want this to happen. He also doesnt ever come out and yell at those guys on the farright. Is he actually doing a relatively good job here of saying, all right, im Gonna Let You Guys Event . In the end, the government is not gonna shut down, it might be in the 11th hour, the three of us might be sitting one night very late talking about this in a couple of weeks, but he might succeed. Look, he is still speaker. Thats all he cares about. Hes done a very good job of hanging on to the speakership. I think charlie is right, ali. I think what mccarthys gonna do here is get the hard right monica caucus, as you say, to agree to the Spending Deal and then hill throw them a bone of launching an Impeachment Inquiry. I think thats the deal, thats the needle, i think mccarthy is gonna try to thread. Its a no win because there is no basis for that. Its still gonna pass off other people. I think thats the bone hill throw. Charlie, it is the impeachment thing gonna be too damaging for a bunch of republicans who are in close districts . Certainly not gonna be helpful to them, the Impeachment Inquiry. Frankly, out of the house gop has the votes to pass an inquiry vote. I just dont see it at the moment. If im a republican and one of those new york districts, one in pennsylvania, one in nebraska, a long list of members where this Impeachment Inquiry will do them no good. The other issue is, were going into a president ial election here, why dont we decide this at the ballot box. Thats how you take it out on joe biden. Dont need to go to impeachment where you really dont have the basis to really begin. I get the Hunter Biden Issue smells terribly, but thats not directly connected to joe biden. I think theyre making a miscalculation, the house gop, theyre overplaying their hand here. They should do with the Hunter Biden Issue is a political matter, they can make points on that. They want to take it to the next step. This impeachment is damaging to those in the marginal swing district. Guys, thank you as always. Charlie, denver more public and Executive Director and Vice President of the Congressional Program at the aspen institute, from illinois, author of the book, of silence. As we get close to a Government Shutdown, im calling both of you. All, right the legal cases against donald trump are moving forward. So the fastmoving efforts to challenges eligibility for the presidency. Straight ahead, how that works, when and where its been done before. How it can go down this time . Were bringing you an update from morocco where more than 2000 people are dead from a rare earthquake. Another hour of velshi starts right now. Right now. Good morning, its sunday september the 10th. We begin with the latest out of morocco released 2012 people are dead and more than 2000 injured following that devastating a 6. 8 magnitude earthquake, which struck in the moroccan high atlas mountain range, about 46 miles south of the ancient city of marrakesh late friday night. Sky news chief correspondent Stewart Ramsey is near the epicenter, with the latest on the search and Rescue Efforts. This is the epicenter. This is absolutely flattened. As you can see, the search and Rescue Efforts are still going on. And in this particular session, one house, that is a multi story house that has been completely flattened. You see the rescue workers, you can see it the police and the army here as well. Weve also got sniffer dogs. Were told they are looking for people who are alive, there have been a number of bodies taken out of this whole area in the last few hours. I was here only a short while ago, and the body of a young lady was taken out. The mother was very distraught, as you can imagine. Shes lost her daughter and other members of the family have been lost as well. And you can see why. How difficult it would be to survive an earthquake, when it is so enormous. Its a major effort tin