a government website. she's going to be here to talk about what she found this week and how it may -- may undermine some of what the new jersey governor has said about the george washington bridge scandal. also on the show new reporting out of new hampshire this morning that shows that the granite state is looking like a free-for-all. still anyone's game for republican presidential hopefuls. but jeb bush and scott walker don't seem to have gotten that message. both met with the former governor this weekend. we're excited he's going to be here to weigh in on what is happening in his state as that primary race already heating up. former governor john sununu on the show in a little bit. plus are they ready for hillary or someone else? the founder of ready for warren will be here to tell us why they're still not totally giving up on the idea of recruiting warren to run against hillary. they'll ask her what they'll do if warren continues to say she won't run. but we begin this morning with hillary clinton and the matter of trust. the former secretary of state, the presumed presidential candidate, defending herself this week in the scandal over her exclusive use of a nongovernment e-mail address to doing it this way. >> the way the system works, the federal employee the individual, whether they have one device, two devices, three devices, how many addresses, they make the decision. so even if you have a work-related device with a work-related work-related dotgov account, you choose what goes on that. that is how our system works. we trust and count on the judgment of thousands, maybe millions of people to make those decisions. and i feel that i did that and even more, that i went above and beyond what i was requested to do. >> so there was that word again, "trust." it's what hillary's defense really comes down to here. ultimately she's saying you have to decide whether you trust me. and republicans are quick to respond to that like this. >> she didn't obey the rules on putting her e-mails on a government server and now she says there wasn't classified information. i'm not sure that can be trusted since we can't trust her to do the right thing the first time. >> and really in a way, this is the same argument we've been hearing about the clintons about both clintons ever since they made it onto the national stage more than 20 years ago now. a debate over trust. >> the american people should demand that their president tell the truth. do you really believe -- do you really believe bill clinton will tell the truth, and do you -- do you trust bill clinton? to be your president? >> the committee is troubled by the numerous instances of memory loss, half-truths, and outright contradictions in the testimony given before the committee. >> so ask yourself who do you trust to end a war? someone who opposed the war from the beginning or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president? >> so this is a theme you can expect to hear a lot from clinton's opponents as the presidential campaign heats up. the idea that you can't trust her. and polls have long shown it's one of her biggest vulnerabilities, one of her husband's, too. last year just 38% of voters in an nbc news/"wall street journal" poll said they find hillary honest and straightforward. 40% saying in that poll that they don't see her that way. as one democrat who worked in the clinton administration told "the l.a. times" this week quote, people don't really trust the clintons. they may like them, but they don't trust them. here to talk about this issue of trust, we have with us our panel, we have beth fooey who covered clinton's 2008 campaign also with us political strategist, a former aide to senator hillary clinton, john stanton, washington bureau chief for buzzfeed and chairman of gopac. thanks, everybody, for being here. beth, let me start with you. this issue of trust. the first clip we had is from the 1992 campaign. so we're talking 23 years ago against bill clinton. it's can you trust him? we have obama in 2008 can you trust hillary clinton? we're hearing it this week with rand paul. did hillary clinton say or do anything in the way she handled this controversy this week that changes the basic divide that's existed on this issue for 20 years? >> no. i mean i think the biggest problem with this whole thing as far as i see it is it is so much being spaing of the '90s. there's a congressional committee running her down wanting answers and she's digging in and refusing to hand over what people are asking for. i mean it's just bringing back ken starr and i feel like cha chawumba wumba song playing in the background. i didn't feel like the 2008 felt like a throwback to the '90s. but watching the scene this week just made me feel like oh we've all been through this before. we've been through this in the '90s. like who wants to go back to this? >> it's interesting you say that because speaking of throwbacks, this is in this morning's "new york times." maureen dowd with "the new york times" was very hard on the clintons back in the 1990s. and here she is on hillary clinton and the e-mail thing. she frames this as an open letter to hillary's e-mail address. she says if you want it that bad, go ahead and be president and leave us in peace, or war, if you have your hawkish way. you're still idling on the runway but we're already jet lagged. maureen dowd against the clintons. again, that also feels a bit like the 1990s. if that's true what you're saying what i wonder as well is does it matter? if the polls show that voters don't particularly trust the clintons, they won in the '90s. they've been very successful. does it matter that people don't trust them? >> i mean, look. the polling is remarkable at how popular she is and continues to be with voters. i don't think voters are going to care that much about this. does that mean it's not a story? i think it is. i think it does speak, again, to the fact that she's always feels like she's got something to hide. and that's going to be something that i think bothers certainly the people who cover her and is going to be an issue for her opponents. >> let me get the rest of you to weigh in. i just walked it this weekend and i said this is something we're going to see over and over, the dynamic this week. >> i think it's interesting about the point of having something to hide. this is one of the most if not the most vetted public official in the world. i don't think she's got much to hide. and i don't think she's hiding anything at all. and if you look at her press conference and what she's done before and after in an attempt to nullify any of the critics, she's released these 55,000 what is it pages of documents, more than she was required to do. and as the story has developed -- and as the story has developed -- >> it's interesting, she's required, under the guidelines, she's required to basically turn over anything that's related to her government work. she says it's more than was required. there is no way of verifying what she's turned over exactly, though. >> why should anyone trust her to make the decision that what she turned over is only the things that needed to be turned over? >> that's the question. >> they've had a lot of investigations of the clintons but part of it is because their actions continuously undermine voters' beliefs that they play within the rules and if they follow the law. it's almost like we need a new word like clintitlement. >> if you want to see that then be fair and talk about the republicans and jeb bush and others who have also used their personal e-mail addresses, who have yet to disclose the documents that they've been asked to disclose in this regard. and quite frankly, when you go back to sort of how voters feel about government broadly, the numbers are very very low. they just don't trust washington at all. but i do think they would trust her to actually be able to be in that environment and manage government and congress to actually get something done in this country. so i think we're tying two things together. >> this is more than just the e-mail, though. this is a continual series of actions by the clintons ever since they came on the national stage. look, this e-mail scandal is not going to prevent her from being president of the united states. but there's always every so often a new clinton scandal comes up because they don't think they should play within the law like everybody else has to play within the law. >> i completely disagree. and quite frankly, where is there not -- where is there the conversation about republicans playing within the law? we need to have that conversation. >> let me get john in this. i mean that's one of the subtexts, too, of the whole do you trust them? do you not trust them with the clintons. the clintons have this very antagonistic relationship with the media. there's the sense you get that they think the media is targeting them unfairly. raising questions about jeb bush. what do you think about that? >> i think it's untrue we do does these questions. she and her people bring this on themselves. she's he's an unpleasant person to deal with. >> this is one of her spokesperson. >> one of her people. that is very emblematic of how they approach the press. they view us as always an enemy and someone that they have to come out and sort of punch in the nose when they walk in the room, right? there's never sort of a, you know, okay well you've got to do our job. we've got to do our job. it's beat you down as hard as we can. and i think that creates for us in the press a dynamic where we look at them like what are you hiding? why are you so hostile all the time with us? why does it have to be so difficult? >> but can we separate this issue of how they engage the chattering class? which we're a part of. which i embrace. how they embrace the average voter. do average voters feel they're doing a good job, that they trust them. there was a pew research poll the other day. it said that young voters and those are probably the most persuadable in this coming election, the young voters have already tuned this out. they don't care. >> the other thing about that strategy, though it's not like it doesn't work. it does work very well for the clintons. it kind of always has. i can see why they do it right? she's done very well with sort of being hostile with us. she never talked to the prosecute he says when she was a senator. you had to sort of call her office and then they would just sort of blow you off. that was sort of their modus operandi. >> it's interesting. it worked for them very well obviously in the '90s. and i can remember at the height of impeachment in 1998 bill clinton was being impeached. you take that same question do you trust bill clinton. it was through the roof. no, we don't think he's honest. but his approval rating was climbing all the way to 70%. i can also think back to the 2008 campaign and sort of the hostile relationship with the media and all those questions were not helping her. they were hurting her very much then. >> you know i have to believe that voters don't really care that much about how much the press likes a candidate. we're no more popular than pop tigs s politicians, let's face it. you're talking about how everybody doesn't trust either clinton. any poll will probably show you bill clinton is probably the most politician, ex-politician, public figure in the country. hillary's approval rating is right up there as well. so i don't know that all of these questions and these issues of trust, which certainly do exist, have really affected the way people see them ultimately. >> they may like them but hillary got defeated in 2008. >> barely. barely. >> but she lost. >> barely. >> this is about inwithing or losing if you want to be president of the united states, and she lost. and let's also say, bill clinton is very popular. because ultimately bill clinton is a politician who became a lawyer to become a politician. hillary clinton is a lawyer first who wants to try to be a politician. and that mindset is very different. she always answers things very lawyerly, which ultimately raises more questions than answers questions. >> is there something to it theyed that the trust issue exists with both clintons but bill clinton had a skill of finessing it in a way that hillary can't? >> i think she's a great politician. and i use that word lovingly, if you will. she's been a great politician. look, she's called attention to the work that she's done with first responders when she was a senator. she was engaging press and media all the time going upstate and talking about economic development, talking about connecting biotech research with schools well before people were talking about s.t.e.m. careers. she's been doing this for a very long time. so my thing is -- and going back to your point -- i think what you may have experienced is that it's -- their style is not about necessarily engaging the media just to be able to tell their story. they're about going to communities and going to people and telling their story. and i think, you know and i think that's where the rubber meets the road. >> beth i think you're exactly right, though, the flashbacks of the 1990s was a theme for this week and i think that's something for the next year and a half. so get ready all your '90s nostalgia. thanks, beth, for sitting in. the rest of the panel will be back in a bit. still ahead, a new revelation challenges a claim that chris christie made in that 107-minute-long press conference last year about bridgegate. but next one state wants to bring back the firing squad. we're going to have two very different perspectives for you on what is and what isn't cruel and unusual punishment. introducing... a pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until... the am. new aleve pm the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. ♪ turn around ♪ ♪ every now and then i get a little bit tired ♪ ♪ of craving something that i can't have ♪ ♪ turn around barbara ♪ ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ ♪ ♪ leftovers. the unsung hero of meals. they get re-heated. re-nuked. and re-baked. and when leftovers are done ...there's always stuff left over. new dawn platinum power clean calls dibs on those. it powers through tough, dried-on messes in seconds. even 48 hour stuck-on food. so go ahead, triple that recipe! a drop of dawn and grease is gone. there's long been a debate over whether there should be a death penalty. but another argument is in the headlines these days if we're going to have the death penalty, then how should it be done? where is that line between cruel and humane? the supreme court has struck down the use of the death penalty for the mentally disabled and for people who were minors when the crime was committed. many states have also done away with certain methods like hanging, electrocution, the gas chamber. one state, however, is going in a different direction. utah's legislature this week approving the use of a firing squad if the state can't secure the drugs needed to pull off a lethal injection. this is a real issue because states across the country are now facing a drug shortage as european manufacturers in countries that don't have capital punishment refuse to sell the drug cocktail components to prisons in the united states. utah currently has none on hand and texas, a state that executes more prisoners than anywhere else in the country, is set to run out in two weeks. some states have tried to devise new drugs. but a cocktail spring last spring was botched after an i.v. line was improperly placed. it then took 43 minutes before the prisoner ultimately died. when he died it was from a heart attack. if utah's republican governor gary herbert, approves the bill utah will become the only state to currently allow the use of the firing squad. we're going to hear from two people with very different perspectives on this. first, joining me now, is randy gardner, he is the brother of ronny lee gardner. he was the last person put to death by firing squad in utah in 2010. thanks, randy, for joining us this morning. you have obviously a very personal perspective on this. i just wonder the bill that's on the governor's desk you don't want him to sign it. what with your message to him be? >> of course not. the firing squad is definitely cruel and unusual punishment. i had the opportunity to look at my brother's chest after they executed him. i could have stuck my forefinger right in his chest. the fear that he had to feel before they executed him, they tied him to a chair, put a hood over his head shot him with four bullets in the chest, that's definitely cruel and unusual punishment in my book. >> when you look at what your brother was convicted of the crime your brother committed, do you think there would be a different method of execution that you would be okay with or is it all forms that you have a problem with? >> no, it's all forms. i never condoned what my brother did, and i don't condone the premeditated murder by our government that they did to my brother. >> do you consider -- you have a problem, you say, with the other forms of execution. do you consider any form of execution, though, preferable? is it more humane? >> i don't think none of them are humane. look at the problems they're having with lethal injection, electrocution. what are they going to do next guillotine? it's crazy. we shouldn't be executing our own citizens. we could put them in prison without becoming killers ourselves. >> randy gardner with a very personal perspective on that thanks for your time this morning. appreciate that. joining me now with a very different perspective, we have robert bleker a professor at new york law school author of the book "the death of punishment." so robert let me just -- you heard from a man right there whose brother was killed by a firing squad five years ago. you heard his perspective. why is that wrong when he says that's cruel and inhumane? >> well for one thing, he may have seen his brother's body and i understand it's his brother and he might well love him, but he didn't actually witness the execution. i have witnessed an execution, not a firing squad, lethal injection. and it's wrong. lethal injection is the wrong method. and not because it might cause pain but because it certainly causes confusion. it doesn't acknowledge what we're doing. we are punishing. we are not treating. it's incredibly medicalized, and it doesn't even seem like punishment. so we're hiding the dirty little secret. what we do, we should acknowledge what we're doing. there's never been a botched firing squad execution. it does not cause substantial or extended pain. and it is appropriate. it is probably the best method of execution that we have. and it should be reserved only for the worst of the worst of the worst. by the way, the so-called botched execution that you referred to in oklahoma clayton lockett, turns out probably was not botched at all. most of the anesthesiologists say he choked and gurgled. that's a standard response under anesthesia. i oppose lethal injection because it certainly causes confusion. the firing squad acknowledges itself to be what it is, which is the worst punishment for the worst of the worst of the worst killers. >> i mean so you're making to me an unusual argument here. you're in favor -- you want the person receiving the punishment to feel it more than somebody currently does in states that have lethal injection. >> no it's not so much that he feels it he doesn't. in fact, it's fairly instantaneous. as i said, there's never been a botched firing squad execution. it's not so much that he feels it it's that -- look i attended a lethal injection. i was also with my father-in-law when he died from an incurable cancer under great pain and was given anesthetic that was necessary to stop the pain which also killed him. and the two scenes were so bizarrely similar. in both cases the dying was in a gurney wrapped in white sheets with an i.v. coming out of his arm surrounded by medical technicians and attended by loved ones. how we kill those we rightfully detest should in no way how we resemble have to unfortunately allow those to die those whom we love. the problem with lethal injection which is what the firing squad avoids is that it looks, feels like treatment. and of course, it's punishment. this is not cruel and unusual, the firing squad. the supreme court has already found it not to be cruel and unusual, and there's nothing about it that's cruel. it's instantaneous, and it's virtually painless. >> we should point out the governor of utah who has to make the decision on whether this will become the law in utah he did say he's not decided on this. he said this does sound, quote, a little bit gruesome. at the same time he said it is probably not a bad way to die if you believe in capital punishment. we'll see the decision that governor herbert makes in utah on the firing squads. until then thanks to robert blecker. appreciate the time. residents in ferguson missouri, will soon cast their first votes since the shooting of michael brown. can that city come together and bridge the divide between police and community? 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how about this about jeb bush. the headline, "as governor jeb bush used e-mail to discuss security, troop deployments." it's the details here, this was reported overnight by "the washington post." as governor of florida, bush used his private e-mail account to discuss military and security like the middle east protection of nuclear plants. these are e-mails that have been previously released. exchanges involving the florida national guard and its deployments after september 11th. bush aides stressing there's no sensitive or classified information, they say, that was included. this is something if the hillary clinton thing is going to be out there and republicans are making noise about it you'll certainly here hear a lot of noise and questions about jeb bush. >> that's right. and i think you will see more of this. trey gowdy, we haven't seen any of his e-mails yet. i do think, not particularly with republicans, but because they've been so vocal, you will see republicans fall into this same category as well. and i think that's probably when you'll see all of this die down. >> this is a story because jeb bush publicly released his e-mails to a reporter got to read them and did a story. dramatically different than hillary keeping her e-mails at a private server in her home. jeb bush's were kept in a government office in tallahassee. dramatically different. and again, this is a story because all of them were released, and a reporter got to do a story because he got to read the e-mails. what reporter has read a hillary clinton e-mail? >> again, but they are the same problem because we don't know -- this is them telling us we've released everything we they'd to release. there was no sensitive information. it's not really up to them i think. there needs to be a third party i think is ultimately what this is coming down to. someone else needs to be making the decision not these candidates and politicians. >> there is also i would say, probably a time issue. e-mails, i say relatively new thing, 20 or 25 years. so this takes you back about 15 years. the clinton stuff is going back about five six years. there might be an evolution where maybe now standards are different than they were five ten years ago. that's the nuance we don't being for all the time. what else do we have here? this is in "medium." the headline we tried, we learned, we're trying something new. mayday. this is lawrence lessig the harvard professor. i don't know if you remembered this in the campaign. he's calling this the super pac to end all super pacs, going to raise big money and go after the chief promoters of big money and politics, try to take them out of politics try to end super pacs. didn't work out. did not win too many races last year. raised some money. so now the professor who started this says we are launching the biggest citizen lobbying campaign we can to recruit incumbents to commit to fundamental reform. so if you can't beat the incumbents, try to get the incumbents to join you. this is the through strategy here. i guess -- we talk about this age of super pacs and they can't be beaten. here's a super pac that was beaten. >> campaigns are really hard. that's what you come to find out. i think that the strategy of shifting to incumbents may actually be better than trying to recruit new candidates because there's so much quote, unquote, noise in campaigns and, you know whether or not new candidates are going to be attractive to voters. i think it's probably a better way to go but i think this needs to be something of strategy considered in the long term, not the short term. we've got to have a long strategy on this. >> it's not an issue that is ever going to percolate enough with voters to make it a defining issue in any race in america. >> because people have lots of money for voters to keep from caring. >> another headline from "usa today," dakota meyer, medal of honor recipient engaged to sarah palin's daughter. the couple announcing their engagement on instagram. i think you can see the photo there. meyer was awarded the medal of honor in 2011 for his service in afghanistan. he made five trips into an ambush zone to recover the bodies of fallen marines. that's bristol palin, engaged to dakota meyer. we thought we'd squeeze that one in. still ahead in the show the white house warns the senate late-breaking details on what they said overnight. and next the latest from the ground in ferguson. stay with us. can't say thank you enough. you have made my life special by being apart of it. 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>> reporter: also yesterday city council hopefuls were at a candidate forum talking about their ideas to rebuild trust between police and the community as well as their reaction to the department of justice report. the election is set for april 7th. it will be an opportunity to see if these calls for reform on the streets translate to votes at the ballot box, steve. back to you. >> nbc's sarah dallof live on the ground in ferguson thanks for that report. appreciate that. still ahead, what are scott walker and jeb bush saying behind closed doors in new hampshire this weekend? we're going to be joined by somebody who was in the room with both of them just a few minutes from now. also, new developments in the bridgegate scandal hanging over one of the other potential candidates. that is next. stay with us. nobody told us to expect it... intercourse that's painful due to menopausal changes it's not likely to go away on its own. so let's do something about it. premarin vaginal cream can help it provides estrogens to help rebuild vaginal tissue and make intercourse more comfortable. premarin vaginal cream treats vaginal changes due to menopause and moderate-to-severe painful intercourse caused by these changes. don't use it if you've had unusual bleeding breast or uterine cancer blood clots, liver problems, stroke or heart attack, are allergic to any of its ingredients or think you're pregnant. side effects may include headache pelvic pain, breast pain vaginal bleeding and vaginitis. estrogens may increase your chances of getting cancer of the uterus, strokes, blood clots or dementia so use it for the shortest time based on goals and risks. estrogen should not be used to prevent heart disease heart attack, stroke or dementia. ask your doctor about premarin vaginal cream. oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable with walk-in medical care, no appointments needed and most insurance accepted. minuteclinic. another innovation from cvs health. because health is everything. that's it. good job. nice coating. and get this one next. whoa! what are you guys doing? 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>> well in some ways the most start startling thing that david wild wildstein, he was director of capital projects that he was meeting regularly with christie's political team in trenton, not so much his -- you know the people in charge of the port authority, but the people in charge of the politics, the ones who sort of were the guardians of chris christie's political career. and remember during this period prior to his first re-election campaign, the thinking was they wanted to win, win big, win big in a blue state because that was going to be the basis the essential building block of their presidential race. >> so that at least suggests -- and again, we don't know -- that at least suggests you have somebody who's one of your top appointees meeting with your political people not your government people and your goal is to run up a big margin that there's a mixing here of politics and policy. >> and we also know that at least one of the meetings that occurred was a very crucial meeting for governor christie. it was to secure the endorsement of the port authority police benevolence association, a police union. christie christie, at that point, badly needed a law enforcement union backing him, and he badly needed a union backing him. this was before the democratic field had coalesced. so at the time of that endorsement, this was crucial because it was a signal to democrats, don't even try. >> so where is this heading? because we've had brian thompson from wnbc on saying indictment's imminent. the people i've talked to around this say i'm getting the same indication of people saying to me, we think this was written a month ago, two months ago. we don't know why it's out there yet. what are you hearing on this? >> well the u.s. attorney's office in new jersey has been airtight. so we just don't know. however, one thing that we do know, because paul fishman, the u.s. attorney has said is i understand that they want this wrapped up as soon as possible, and we are trying. every prosecutor that i've spoken to has said look nobody wants this to be smack in the middle of an election because it just taints everything they're doing. it allows the governor and the people around him who may or may not be indicted to say oh, this is just politics. and in fact, scott walker and rick perry have had their own issues, and that's what they've said. oh, this is just democrats going after us. and there's nothing to it. so the longer they wait and the more the political campaign has time to engage the worse it is for the prosecutor. because they're proud of their work, they want to get it out in as clear a field as possible. >> let me bring the panel in. let's try to play this out, what happens here. because all indications are multiple indictments not of christie himself but people around christie. a lot of the principal players we've been talking about are coming. that happens. and christie says this is a political vendetta and none of these people that were close to me. everything he's been saying. but then you have the indictments opinion then you have some of these people saying look christie knew a lot more than he's letting on publicly. how does that play in the republican universe? >> what we don't know what's going to happen at the justice department. what we do know is a democratic legislature conducted their own investigation and found that governor christie had done nothing wrong in this allegations of bridgegate. we do know that. >> i wouldn't say there was much of a definitive finding there. they weren't able to talk to most of the principal witnesses who the u.s. attorneys talked to. >> and we have been talking for six months that there's going to be indictments come down. and we still don't have them. we also have word that indictments are going to come down against senator menendez. it's almost as if -- hold on a second -- it's almost as if -- >> come on now. >> -- it's almost as if somebody at the justice department lost a lot of money in atlantic city and they're angry at elected officials in new jersey. >> i'm still not convinced he's actually going to run for president. assuming he does, he needs to have some kind of a way to sort of show to the conservative base that he's one of them and there's no better way for a guy like him to do that than to have the government and media coming after him. he can say oh you know the democrats hate me. i'm being attacked by the obama administration. >> he's got to scare off the donors, though. bush and walker. >> i think the sort of martyr argument that he may be able to raise, i don't think holds any water. first of all, i don't know if he was going to actually run. and i don't think his style and brand of politics works well in iowa or in many of the southern states. and frankly, i think the fact that you have some of these very close confidantes of him involved and potentially indicted, i think in the mind of a voter, you may just assume that he had something to do with it. it's sort of the worst thing to happen because it's the -- it shows this government abuse and overuse of power. and it became very very evident in that -- in the bridgegate. >> i think that there are a couple issues here. one is my colleague, matt katz who reported this story with me has been on the road with christie a lot. they don't care about the traffic jam as much as they care about what they call the obama hug after sandy. that's the sort of you know when core republicans, it's like oh, he hugged obama. but everybody hates traffic. everybody hates traffic. and nobody wants to be sort of you know, particularly the person who caused a massive traffic jam. it was a bad traffic jam. people were taking four hours to get to work. children were stuck on the first day of school and at school late, emergency vehicles couldn't get through. and so you know this was a sort of nightmare scenario that a lot of americans can relate to. so i wouldn't say it would be good news for governor chris 'tis if people close to him were indicted. >> no and your reporting starts to get at this at least, there's another side to this. we've heard christie talk about his relationship with wildstein. we haven't heard from wildstein. we haven't heard from bridget kelly. we haven't heard publicly from a lot of these other principal players. when they speak up, that will change the story too. >> these calendars in a sense helped us do that. >> we start to hear from them. >> they start to sort of say, well, what was wildstein doing? for four years he was meeting in diners and steakhouses with politicians from all over the state of new jersey republican party bosses strategists, democrats, journalists. i mean he was sort of putting together this political piece at the port authority. and while he was there, he was delivering these big infrastructure projects very important to the state of new jersey, but that the governor didn't want to spend money on. so he got to be fiscally conservative with the trenton budget while using the port authority budget to pay for these essential projects. >> great reporting this week. >> thank you so much. >> this story really changed the conversation on this. i appreciate the time today, andrea bernstein, wnyc. still ahead, the letter in response to the letter. the white house strikes back against senate republicans. and next only hours to go until polls open. could israel's benjamin netanyahu lose his bid for re-election? he's in serious trouble. we'll tell you why right after this. i have the worst cold with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? 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to talk about this we're joined by u.s. editor of the israeli newspaper "haaretz." thanks for taking a few minutes. this speech all we heard in the run-up was well it's election season in israel. this is going to boost his profile back home by appearing to be a statesman. how has it played back in israel? >> i think in the short term it gave him a bump for, like a day or two. but first of all, in the pace of events these days it's been forgotten. second of all, i think after everybody got over being impressed with his speech people began to realize, one, that he's not doing anything or that the speech hasn't done anything to stop the advance of the nuclear deal with iran which most israelis are opposed to. and second of all, i think it highlighted an issue which he may think works in his favor, but i'm not sure it does and that is the state of his very bad relations with the american president. now, it's true that israelis don't like president obama that much, but i think that this sort of highlighted something that he's gone a bit too far in challenging the president. and i think that that's working against him. but i wouldn't want to exaggerate one way or the other the speech was never going to make the election for him. it's not going to break him. there are a lot of other issues that are at play here. >> if he were to lose, if his party were to lose they can't form the new coal we talked about strained relations between netanyahu and obama. we talk about iran and the deal. how are those dynamics affected if this new government takes charge? >> first of all, i have to say, you know it's a jewish election, so losing is a relative thing. he could still lose the election and form the next government. but on the assumption that that's not what happens, i think you're going to hear a collective international sigh of relief if herzog is elected instead of netanyahu. netanyahu has antagonized much of the international community. i'm not sure that it will be enough to stop the agreement with iran which seems to be approaching its midnight hour. but i think that you'll see a lot of credit being given to the new israeli government. there will be a lot of attempts to fortify it. i think the u.s. government will go out of its way in order to prove that it has no problem with israel. it had a problem with netanyahu. and now that there is no more netanyahu in power, everything is back to normal and perhaps even better than normal. >> would herzog approach obama differently than netanyahu has? >> well, i think by the very definition, he would approach him definitely. they had a lot of differences between them -- first of all, there would be less of an ideological issue and also they had personality issues. there's a whole issue of role in u.s. politics and in israeli politics. none of that, i think, would exist if herzog was in power. i think undo the road they could have you know disagreements over the peace process and so on. but i expect a very long honeymoon if herzog is elected. and as i said, i wrote the other day, it would be very difficult for the white house to keep out the sounds of the corks of the champagne bottles that will be opening. >> yeah, that's how you tell tuesday night, you don't have to go on the internet just look outside the white house and see if you see all the cheering inside. another full hour of news and politics straight ahead. stay with us. discover card. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? 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what does it say? >> reporter: well certainly very unique to get a letter like that on a saturday night, right, steve? bottom line, the obama administration's trying to regain control of the political debate over the negotiations regarding iran's nuclear program by warning senators against passing legislation. the white house says would complicate the talks. now, in the letter chief of staff denis mcdonough reiterates a veto threat. and we have part of that letter. mcdonough writing, quote, we believe that the legislation would likely have a profoundly negative impact on the ongoing negotiations emboldening iranian hard-liners, differentiating the u.s. position from our allies in negotiations and once again calling into question our ability to negotiate this deal. and again, issuing a veto threat there, steve. now, the nuclear talks with iran are set to resume today in switzerland. secretary kerry will travel there later today. and of course, this comes as the obama administration has been fuming about that letter that you mentioned, that letter that was written by more than 40 senate republicans to iranian officials, essentially warning that any deal could ultimately be overturned by a future president. senator corker and his senate colleagues insist that congress should be allowed to weigh in to consider and vote on any agreement with iran. but the obama administration has asked that congress let the negotiations play out before taking any legislative action. on saturday secretary kerry said he doesn't know if the letter is going to make it more difficult to reach a deal. he also signaled there's not going to be an extension of the talks if all sides can't reach a deal by the end of march. that's the deadline. steve? >> kristen welker live at the white house, thanks for that. we'll have much more on that letter about the possible implications for it a little bit later in the show this hour. turning now, though to the 2016 race a race that has plenty of republican candidates lining up to run, a very different story, though, on the democratic side, where we all know that hillary clinton is looking at the race. she casts an imposing shadow. her poll number among democrats are through the roof right now. the question though is which democrats are going to look at all those advantages that hillary has and decide that they're going to run anyway? the question really if any democrats are going to do that. if you look around right now, there's former maryland governor martin o'malley. he's trying to balance his desire to run with a reluctance to engage directly with clinton. there's a lot of talk that o'malley is angling to be her vice presidential candidate next year. there's also joe biden, current vice president. clearly he'd like to be president. he's also been visiting the early primary states says but he hasn't set up a pac yet or hired a staff or raising money. and most believe that the only way he's actually going to run in this race is if hillary clinton decides not to run in this race. there's also vermont senator bernie sanders. he's been traversing the country, acting like a candidate in many ways. although sanders, it should be noted, he remains, at least for now, an independent. he's not actually a member of the democratic pa either. icic party. also, jim webb, the former one-term senator from virginia. he has said he's interested in the race. he has also said and done little else besides that. in other words hillary clinton could be looking at something close to an uncontested path to the democratic presidential nomination. but there are some out there -- there are some who believe there is still one democrat who is capable of going toe to toe with hillary clinton, capable of rousing a massive grass-roots army raising big bucks through small donations, commanding the media spotlight, shining in debates. that democrat they have on their mind is elizabeth warren the massachusetts senator and anti-wall street crusader. now, warren to be clear, insists that she is not running. she's also taken no steps to run. and even if she did run, polls show that she, too, would run far behind clinton on the democratic side. and yet a movement for an elizabeth warren candidacy has not entirely gone away. ready for war, a grass-roots group that already has a presence in iowa and new hampshire, it is still trying to coax her into the race still hoping to field a serious competitor to hillary clinton. the group saying this week quote, that a contested nomination will strengthen the democratic party by holding candidates accountable for addressing critical issues of growing income inequality a worsening climate crisis and so many others. so is there any chance that ready for warren will actually get their wish? joining us now, the campaign manager for ready for warren erica sagrans joins us now from columbus ohio. back with us at the table, david a avel avel avel avella. she says she's not running, not raising money, not doing in ig that a candidate would do formally. what are the chances elizabeth warren will run for president? >> hi steve. we believe we can convince warren to run. we know she's always been a very reluctant politician. she did not intend to run for senate but was convinced to do so by a strong draft movement there. so we believe we can convince her to run if she sees an opportunity for her to make a real difference for working families and the fight that she has led her entire life. i think it's very possible and it's still very early in the process. >> okay. so what is -- elizabeth warren versus hillary clinton. if we start by looking at the poll numbers for hillary, we've never seen a favorite like this according to the polls on the democratic side. so what does elizabeth warren bring to the table, in your mind, never mind we shouldn't have hillary clinton, we should have elizabeth warren. what is the difference between elizabeth warren and hillary clinton? >> warren is really only an underdog because people don't know as much about her. but she has an incredible story, an incredible message that we've seen really resonate deeply with voters across the country and in places like iowa and new hampshire. she has been a fighter and a champion for working folks, for the middle class. she's done some consumer -- all this. >> i don't mean to interrupt you, but those are the sort of things that hillary clinton would say to describe herself, that hillary clinton supporters would talk that way about her. she's a fighter for the working class, a champion of the underdog, those sorts of things. so what does elizabeth warren bring to the table in real terms that hillary clinton doesn't? >> sure. well, i think part of it is just what we've seen in terms of the momentum and the interest and the excitement. warren really needs this moment we're at people have been thinking about skyrocketing income inequality the way the system is really rigged in favor of those at the very top and not working for most regular folks. and i think warren has really brought that discussion to the forefront that's resonated with a lot of people p and i also think having her in the primary would provide that opportunity for her to lay out her vision for hillary clinton and any other candidates to really lay out clear different visions they have for the country and for voters to look at those and decide. >> is hillary clinton too close to wall street? >> i think some people would say so. some people would say -- >> do you think so? >> i mean i think elizabeth warren is taking on wall street that we want to see more democrats do. she's been unafraid to call out the big banks. >> right. so that's elizabeth warren's calling card. i'm saying is that something hillary has been reluctant to do in your mind to call out the big banks? >> i'm saying i want to see clinton do that more and see all candidates do that more and follow warren's lead. >> let's bring the panel into this a little bit here. the idea of an elizabeth warren candidacy, i don't see it happening, but i also find myself wondering, what erica is talking about right now, how widespread is that in the democratic party? because i look at those poll numbers, and again, the 86% of democrats right now say yeah we could see ourselves supporting hillary clinton. you don't see those numbers. she leads in a horse race by 42 points. >> i don't think there's a huge -- it doesn't feel like there's a big swell of people that really want someone else to run against her. i think she needs somebody to run against her, frankly. she does much better when she's involved in a primary where she can fight and create contrast. having herself be out there by herself or against bernie sanders or somebody like that that's not a serious candidate in terms of posing a serious challenge to her, that's a problem for her. she needs somebody maybe like warren or some other democrat to step to the plate and sort of come in and at least play a foil for her. >> dave as a republican looking at this you know the idea of hillary clinton having a practically uncontested path to the nomination, do you look at that and say that's a problem for us? she's going to be able to raise all that money, focus on republicans for the next year. does that hurt your chances against her in the fall? >> steve, you may remember that i sat in john's seat in november or december and said elizabeth warren would be the democratic party's nominee. one. two -- >> are you sticking with that? >> i'm sticking with that. i still stick with that. >> is that wishful thinking? >> no. she brings a passion and her supporters bring a level of passion that right now we don't see in the clinton operation. and let me also say as a republican, i can speak on good authority that nominating whose turn it is is not always the best strategy. to look back and say let's go get somebody who's run before or let's go get somebody who's been the good soldier and let them do it, that's not always the best strategy to becoming president of the united states. >> you know, and going back to a point you made earlier, i think we want to sometimes couch hillary clinton as this candidate that nobody really wants. she's unlikable in certain respects. but if you go back to 2008 -- and she barely lost to barack obama, there's a huge ground swell of support for her then, and i think there is now. i actually don't think that even when you talk about primaries, she's not the one that say, i don't want a primary. i don't think she would even shy away from that. i don't think she would shy away from that. and i think most democrats, whether they -- whether they will say that they fully support hillary clinton would not say so and so should not be in a race or should not get into the race. but the reality is i think there's a tremendous ground swell of support for hillary. and i think she is going to create that movement. and she keeps talking about these issues and sort of the speech at the u.n. that she gave the other day. as she starts to really dig deeper into these issues i think you'll see that support kind of solidify. >> so erica, let me ask you this final question here. you're still trying to get elizabeth warren into the race. at what point, when will it be when you're satisfied with her that this is the final no and okay, we're going to look for a plan "b" right here? when will that be? what point is that? >> it's still so early, we're still about a year and a half out from the convention. and so -- >> i mean the first primary is ten months away. >> right. >> it's not a year and a half. >> i mean we're focused on drafting warren and no serious democratic candidate has announced that they're running. so it's still very early. we're going to keep focused on drafting her. we're still seeing just incredible, strong momentum building. we saw robert reich saying that warren should run, van jones, hundreds of thousands of people are calling on her to run. so we're still building momentum, and we're going to keep doing that till we can convince her to get in the race. >> all right. erica sagrans, ready for warren thanks for joining us. appreciate that. still ahead, how did it go this weekend in new hampshire? we're going to talk with a former governor from the state, john sununu who met with scott walker and jeb bush this weekend. next, the part san divide about about isis boils one to one key sound bite this week. >> i believe that much of our strategy with regards to isis is being driven by a desire not to upset iran so that they don't walk away from the negotiating table on the deal that you're working on. tell me why i'm wrong. >> because the facts completely contradict that. >> the rest of that exchange and what it means for national security. that's when we come back. the volkswagen passat handles like a dream. go ahead... step on it. yeah? 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>> well they're not going to openly support it and they obviously would be nervous about it. i think this has been a misread on the hill to be honest with you. there is no grand bargain being discussed in this negotiation. this is about a nuclear weapon potential, that's it. and the president has made it absolutely clear they will not get a nuclear weapon. and it's -- it's really almost insulting that the presumption here is that we're going to negotiate something that allows them to get a nuclear weapon. >> well i haven't discussed about the nuclear weapon. and i'm not saying there's a grand bargain. what i'm saying is that i believe that our military strategy towards isis is influenced by our desire not to cross red lines that the iranians have about u.s. military presence in the region. >> absolutely not in the least. >> and joining us now from washington is former assistant secretary of state for public affairs, p.j. crowley. p.j., thanks for joining us. i wonder what you make of that exchange and the issue that rubio is raising, which is sort of simultaneously trying to keep iran from developing a nuclear weapon, and we're in these negotiations with them. and at the same time there are de facto ally in this war against isis. and does that create any of the sort of tension and conflicts that he's talking about right there? >> well as the secretary said the negotiation is about nuclear weapons and preventing iran from getting one. you know there's also this issue over the islamic state, our interests with iran correspond in iraq. they are contradicted in syria. iran with russia you know are probably the leading reasons why assad has survived in office now, you know four years after the start of you know syria's civil war. we're not allies. you know, our interests do overlap. you know now, which is not to say that you know should we get a nuclear agreement and conversations deepen with iran can you have a conversation about issues of concerns of the united states, you know including the region including iran's support of terrorism, other maligned and destructive actions that it has in the region? sure. >> how important is iran to the goal of defeating, of degrading, of destroying isis? how important is iran to that? >> well you know iran is -- has a relationship, you know, with iraq. it has an interest in a stable iraq. as far as that goes it corresponds to, you know, the united states interest. but ultimately the most decisive factor, say, in iraq are the actions of the government in baghdad, you know not the actions of the government in tehran. ultimately, iraq has to take back territory as it's trying to do in tikrit and ultimately if it succeeds in that it has to effective more effectively than it has in the past. >> we have this news we reported at the top of the hour kristen welker reporting on this letter that was sent overnight from the white house to the senate. you had the 47 senate republicans last week signing that open letter to the iranian leadership. the white house basically in this letter it's almost like a brushback pitch, trying to carve out more space for its pursuit of this deal with iran trying to keep the senate at an arm's length in that. do you think this letter will accomplish anything? >> well you know i think it would be harmful for the is that the to take action you know before the negotiation is completed one way or the other. you know that said you know we've taken the allegedly the most deliberative body in the world, and what we saw this week was, in essence, a blog post freshman senator wrote down his thoughts and got 46 likes. you know thankfully it's unlikely that the senate -- that two-thirds of the senate can't agree on the color of the sky. they're not likely to be able to take the action in this letter. and i think it would be very unwise and harmful to u.s. leadership in the world if a future president, you know would abrogate this agreement, and i doubt that a future president would. >> let me bring the panel in here. and john, i mean this letter overnight in a way this is just sort of the latest i don't know escalation of this battle this standoff on capitol hill. but it is striking to me you have an open letter to the iranian leadership. then the white house responding with this late-night basically open letter of its own. that the total lack of being on the same page here. >> it's remarkable. and i think, you know this may be also a little bit political. the white house feels like they were able to really get one up on republicans because of the letter, they feel like it backfired in a lot of ways. sort of just here at home. the negotiations have had a bit of a problem, and i think they're hoping to sort of you know, kill two birds with one stone in a sense with this letter. keep republicans on their heels, cool them off, keep them away from this issue as they try to finish this up. and at the same time, try to find a way to negotiate with the less extreme members of the iranian regime. >> how do you think this is going to be greeted on capitol hill the letter from the white house overnight? >> i think they'll hate it but what i go back to is this. even if you don't like the man, the president of the united states is commander in chief of our armed forces. and to undermine his ability to negotiate, especially at a time when groups like boko haram are forging these partnerships with isis, it makes the president's role so much more critical, the undermining of this and even as the response will hit capitol hill, i'm sure there will be a counterresponse to that. i think this constant undermining of the president really puts us in harm's way. >> politically, though david, that's the issue. we were talking about this a little bit yesterday, too. republicans who are opposing the white house on this deal had some democratic allies. they still have some democratic allies in that. is there a risk here from the republican standpoint of alienating the democrats who are their allies? >> let's keep in mind that senator robert c. byrd sent letters and tried to negotiate with foreign governments. senator ted kennedy sent letters to the russians as ronald reagan was trying to negotiate with them. let's not have this all of a sudden huge dust-up because the u.s. senate has expressed an interest. and there's a bigger issue here that if this is going to be a treaty, which it's not it will be another executive action if it's a treaty the u.s. senate must ratify it. and this is what the president's going to have a problem with because there are a number of democrats who will vote with republicans not to ratify this if it ultimately does anything that allows iran to have a nuclear weapon. >> p.j. let me give you the last word. the distinction between the white house doing this sort of on its own, an executive action versus a treaty practically speaking for the long haul if this is not treated as a treaty can it hold up if republicans, a future republican press or majority in congress continue to oppose it? >> well, i mean certainly the senate will have the ability, as will the house, you know to test the administration and an agreement, if one is reached. i think there's a level above what we're talking about that if the p5 inspections. i think it amounts to more pain and little gain there's nothing in the u.s. interest you know in undermining intrusive inspections that give us as much confidence as we can that iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapon. >> p.j. i've got to ask you before you go because you were the spokesman at the state department when hillary clinton was there at the beginning. and she's obviously been in the news for some of her decisions as secretary of state in terms of her e-mail and in terms of not using a government e-mail address, using her personal e-mail address. is that something -- were you aware of were you concerned about that at all when you were serving with her, and did she make a mistake in terms of making that decision? >> well as her assistant secretary of state, i did correspond with her by e-mail. it was not an issue for all of us on her leadership team. no one that i, you know interacted with at the state department in two years, you know, thought it was a big deal at all. and as the secretary said you know, in hindsight, she should have done it differently. and i agree with her. >> all right. p.j. crowley, former assistant secretary of state for public affairs, appreciate the time this morning. still ahead, one of my favorite weeks of the year is just around the corner meaning today is one of my favorite days of the year. they call is selection sunday. we'll get a preview of march madness. that is ahead. but next a busy weekend in the granite state. the first in the nation state of new hampshire. what the candidates said and the man who talked to both of them former governor john sununu, he joins us right after this. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? 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"the new york times" this morning describing the fight in new hampshire for the republican nomination as a free-for-all. no clear front-runners. that's an assessment that top party officials in that state say that they share. while that may be true based on what happened on the ground this weekend, two of the leading candidates, jeb bush and scott walker seemed to think that each other is the greatest rival of the other. if that makes sense. the former -- sorry, i thought we had some sound there. the former florida governor appearing happy if not eager when he arrived to acknowledge that the wisconsin governor's views on immigration have changed. >> reporter: is scott walker a flip-flopper? >> i don't -- i don't -- i don't know. >> reporter: did he flip-flop on the renewable fuel standard? >> i didn't see what -- >> thanks guys. >> he's changed his views on immigration. >> now, yesterday in his first public remarks in the state, walker refuted all of those charges of flip-flopping. >> just a narrative from the other campaigns to the fact that we've got a strong reputation of our keeping our word. and the only major issue out there is immigration. we listen to the people. yeah, this is one where we listen to people all across the country, particularly border governors. you saw how this president messed that up. and that's an issue where i think people want leaders who are willing to listen to people on that. >> other candidates though are going to try to make that flip-flop charge stick against walker. the associated press reporting this morning that many republican campaigns, quote, have assembled internal memos, research papers and detailed spreadsheets that highlight and track walker's shifts on positions from immigration to ethanol to abortion. suggesting that a broad pattern of flip-flopping will be walker's greatest vulnerability. a revolving view something that will resonate with new hampshire voters. what will it take to win new hampshire ten months from now? no one can answer that question better than our next guest, former governor john sununu who also, of course served as the chief of staff to george h.w. bush, met with scott walker and jeb bush while they were in new hampshire this weekend. and governor sununu joins us right now. thank you for feying a few minutes, governor. appreciate it. >> morning, steve. how are you today? >> i'm very good. i love the new hampshire primary. you have a great history in the primary in that state. so let me ask you, we're ten months out from the primary. and we're already starting to see some sniping, some public sniping, between walker between jeb bush. is it a little early -- is this earlier than you're expecting for it to heat up like this? >> look people forget there's a lot of politics in politics, you know? there's ten months ahead. there are seasons to the primary in new hampshire. this is obviously the first season. i thought at first these guys were coming up just to do some of the great skiing we have this year, but it turned out they were really here for political meetings. it's going to be a very interesting campaign. and i think there's five or six, maybe seven viable candidates. they will all try and differentiate themselves. and you know what will happen after a nominee is selected they'll all come together and campaign hard for the nominee against the democrats. >> let's look at how it sort of sets up in new hampshire. and again, it is early right now, but at the same time, not necessarily that early. first of all, from the bush standpoint, when you look at that early primary calendar, he looks like he has trouble in iowa. just the nature of the iowa caucuses, very conservative very activist oriented. you go down to south carolina, there might be lindsey graham running there. that's a difficult state. is new hampshire, the way that primary calendar sets up is that a must-win state for jeb bush? >> new hampshire is a must-win state for everyone. virtually, with almost no exception, maybe one or two flukes, you can't get to be president without winning your primary in new hampshire. i've always had a saying iowa picks corn. new hampshire picks presidents. it's important for all of them. >> iowa would point out they've picked the last couple of presidents, though, and new hampshire didn't. >> that's kind of corny. >> in fairness to the hawkeye state. let me ask you about walker though. because if you look at the early polls in new hampshire, all the buzz for jeb bush and he's got the name obviously, but scott walker is right up there with jeb bush in new hampshire. what is scott walker who's not as well known, what is he tapping into in your state? >> i think he's tapping into really the anger that america has with the current administration and looking for somebody that can stand up and show leadership. and i think both jeb and scott and the other republicans that are going to be running up here are going to try and focus on those aspects within their resume that reflect support for that kind of a feeling that the public has. look each candidate has a different mix of pluses and minuses. and the smart candidate does a good job of emphasizing their pluses and a smart job of kind of hiding their minuses. you're going to see a shifting set of arguments presented by each candidate as they test which one of their positions seem to resonate the most which one of their applause lines get the biggest applause and which one of their strategies for moving forward seems to have the right combination of where they go and what they say. >> we also have news this week weekend he's not up there. it's bush and walker up there this weekend. but chris christie who is also eyeing this race sending who rd that he's sort of going to be rebooting his gain focusing more on entitlement reform. that's going to be the emphasis of his campaign. we were also talking earlier about the bridgegate situation, the looming indictments there. when you look at christie and all the other options that are out there for republicans in new hampshire, is there space for christie in this race? >> look there's a space for any credible candidate, and it's up to them to come up here. new hampshire voters participate in the process very actively. one of the reasons we've been able to stay significant and first is that the voters and the citizens up here get involved. not just to the candidate they may be leaning toward but they'll go to events for all the candidates to help sort it out. and so any candidate that's got a credible starting position, a credible record for having been involved in politics is fairly conservative on the republican side. and can articulate an agenda for the future is going to do well up here. and so walker bush chris christie, you might even see mike pence coming up here marco rubio. all of them will be knocking on doors, going to coffees, going to town halls and trying to begin some chemistry going between themsdselves and the voters. >> you've seen some of the others come into the state. i do wonder in what you've seen so far, what has been your biggest surprise about these candidates? >> well you know i really haven't been surprised. they're all friends. they -- you know they come to have coffee because they're all old friends. that makes it kind of hard for me in a primary to have to try and give even advice to all the friends that ask, and i'm trying to do that. but what has been surprising to me in the general campaign is how little activity there's been on the democratic side. and i'm just wondering how shocked the democrats might be if mrs. clinton decides no the to run. i still think there's a 30% chance she may do that. and the big surprise of course in the whole election process will be that if that occurs there will be a thunderous shock going through the democratic party trying to regroup. >> well it will be good for tourism in your state if that happens because about 25 democratic candidates will suddenly take up residence in the state. anyway, former governor john sununu, really appreciate the time this morning, thank you. >> thank you very much. all right. still ahead, our big march madness basketball preview is coming up. but next a group of people who don't welcome robot overlords. we're going to explain that to you. that's next. i wish... please, please, please, please, please. 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>> sure there's a chance. there's always a chance in a one and out event. if this was like the nba and it was best of seven, kentucky would be the odds-on favorite to win. but in one and out anything can happen. in 1991 nevada las vegas was 34-0 going to the final four. they were the greatest team in history and they lost in the semifinals to duke. john wooden walked out of that game the great john wooden and said to somebody a lot of great teams have won one championship in a row. you don't say anybody is a lock to win in this event. that's why it's so much fun. >> so people get their bracket tonight, tomorrow morning, they're looking at this. say they don't follow this too closely. besides kentucky being the favorite, give them a couple of teams that they might want to keep an eye on that could go far that maybe they're not hearing about as much. >> if you're looking for dark horses to maybe go deep as opposed to a low seed to win in the first round, which is sort of a different sport trying to pick that i like a couple of teams out of iowa both northern iowa and iowa state. iowa state has won five games this year in which they were down 17 points or more including the big 12 championship game against kansas. northern iowa is one of those teams nobody knows much about. they have only got three losses. five years ago in this tournament, they beat with the same coach ben jacobson kansas which was the top seed in the midwest region. i like both those teams. >> you mentioned the other one, those small schools no one has heard of that could pull off the shocking upset against the big team. do you have one or two in minding there? >> yeah i like north florida a lot. >> the ospreys. >> there you go very good. they won at purdue earlier this season. they're from the same conference as florida gulf coast. you might remember them a couple of years ago when they knocked off a couple of big-name teams and went to the sweet 16. i think north florida has that potential. you mentioned you're from massachusetts. harvard and northeastern are both experienced, well coached teams that i don't think any number three or number four seed is going to be happy to see opposing them. >> let me get the panel in here a little bit. everybody here i think, will be filling out a bracket. any -- what's the secret to your -- actually you've won a bracket, what was the secret? >> you know i grew up at a time watching college basketball when ewing was playing for georgetown, so i look for dominant players but also a good system, good team basketball and some maturity. so i like teams like wisconsin. notre dame showed me something yesterday with that win. and i also going sort of further down in the seeding, you always want to pick a team that you don't think is going to do well in the first round to surprise you. so i like teams like hampton, harvard who's been there, i think, four or five times now. shoutout to suny albany, they surprised a lot of folks and hopefully they'll have a good win. >> the albany great danes. any other favorites? >> wisconsin will be tough to beat. they were there last year in the finals. they don't commit a lot of turnovers, they're playing good basketball. but my bracket tends to get messed up when i put my home state of west virginia somewhere in the elite eight or top four. >> i'm stuck in the '80s with ewing basically. the only thing i do know i always bet against duke because duke sucks. >> john feinstein, you want to respond to that? i know you're a duke guy. >> a lot of people feel very inferior and have to say duke sucks, i understand that it's a sent meant. here's a secret to my success in brackets. i give mine to my 4-year-old daughter. that's the way to win a bracket. >> all right, john feinstein, thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. really thanks for that. thanks to today's panel, appreciate you being here. thank you for getting up with us today. up next melissa harris-perry. stay tuned and we will see you next weekend. have a great week. he with copd it can feel like this. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva respimat does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva respimat. discuss all medicines you take even eye drops. if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells you get hives, vision changes or eye pain or problems passing urine stop taking spiriva respimat and call your doctor right away. side effects include sore throat cough, dry mouth and sinus infection. nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. to learn about spiriva respimat slow-moving mist ask your doctor or visit spirivarespimat.com if you're running a business legalzoom has your back. over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here. 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