What happened overnight just before midnight. The senate adjourned before considering that compromise bill to keep the government open through next year. The delay comes from a late night push by Tea Party Senators ted cruz and mike lee, who run the senate floor last night, demanding the final bill include their provision to undo president obamas recent action on immigration. And congress should use those powers given to it by the constitution to counter a lawless executive branch, or this body will lose its authority. Who do you work for . Wall street or the American People . But the bigger story here is the woman who made this dramatic showdown what it has become. Elizabeth warren, she is the voice of a new, more strident left. She was back on the senate floor last night railing, again, against the provision in the bill that would get rid of the key part of the wall street reform law passed after the meltdown. Here we are, five years after dodd frank, with congress on the verge of ramming through a provision that would do nothing for the middle class, do nothing for community banks, do nothing but raise the risk that taxpayers will have to bail out the biggest banks once again. And heres republican senator Lindsay Graham with his response to that. So, to my good friend from massachusetts, theres something in here you dont like. Welcome to democracy. Consider this a preview of things to come. This may end up being the defining fight in american politics as we head into 2016 campaign, one leading to alliances you rarely see. Just to get the bill through the house on thursday night, and barely at that, we had House Speaker john boehner and president obama both teaming up, both working on their own parties to get final critical votes, and both working against and being fought by an alliance of Elizabeth Warren on the left and the tea party on the right. Nobody did this unilaterally. Weve done this in a bipartisan fashion, and frankly its a good bill. All of the people who made this a good bill on both sides of the aisle, this why our government functions, because theyre willing to compromise now officially, warren looks like shes going to lose this one. The bill passed the house thursday but with 139 democrats and 67 republicans voting no on it, well, theres going to be a lot of noise on the senate floor at noon today. That chamber is expected to pass this bill on monday. Even rand paul, who is against it said last night, quote, i cant really stop it. The bills going to make it to president obamas deck for his signature eventually. Yet the route it is taking to get there, thats the story here. I think what the American People very much are looking for is practical governance and the willingness to compromise and thats what this bill reflects. Youve got boehner and obama versus warren and the tea party. These are not the alliances you expect. Who is right here . Who is wrong . Why do i get the feeling this is only the opening act in a drama thats going to take a long time to play out . Im joined by our panel this morning, we have congressional reporter for talking points memo, will kane, host of real news on the blaze, joan walsh, editor at large for salon. The basic nuts and bolts right now, where this thing stands. The senate adjourned last night midnight, coming back at noon today, theyre saying the final vote on this is going to be some time monday. We know ted cruise, we played in there wants to do something on immigration, Elizabeth Warren would like to get this wall street thing out. Any reason to expect that either one of them can win and that this bill still might have trouble getting through monday, or does it look like its on its way to passage . Doesnt look like any changes to the bill because if you make changes to the bill you have to send it back to the house and the calculus scrambles and the bill collapses because the coalition is very, very fragile, passed the house by a very slim margin what happen looks like going to happen, unless theres an agreement between democrats and republicans you need unanimous consent in the senate to do anything quickly that means if any one objects you cant do it. Any senator can force a delay up to monday morning, 7 00 a. M. , thats likely the latest well get a vote on this. Dont expect any changes of the bill, regard office the objections from the left and right. You dont think think trouble passing it. I dont think there will be a problem passing it through the senate. Turn to the question of who is right, who is wrong. Again, alliances are scrambled on this, and a lot of sort of conflicting messages sent by people you wouldnt necessarily expect to be sending them. How do you look at this . If you had a vote, if you were there thursday, coming down to the wire, how would you have voted . I would have voted against it. I could be wrong, but i would have liked to see the democrats make Elizabeth Warren argument to the people, who do you work for, wall street or the people or the middle class . And also, to make clear that republicans are trying to get through this bill what they cant get legislatively, adding something to a spending bill. I know this is a time honored tradition but this particular thing is pernicious, it would have been great to see democrats make that argument. Im well aware, however that ted cruz said the same thing to himself in october of 2013, the American People are going to understand my argument, stick with me but instead republicans blamed for a shutdown. How do you jump ahead of me on that . I thank you for doing it ahead of time. Republicans standing upon principle and perhaps forcing a shutdown they were called terrorists for these actions. Some are asking democrats to stand on principle. Interesting, depending on which side of the issue you are, principle or terror. Again, we talk about the sort of the weird alliances here. This is true on the right as well. Ted cruz, boehner, Lindsey Graham. Where did you come down to this . You asked joan how she would have voted. I think i also would have voted against it but not with a huge amount of certain tip republican side the issue is about strategy. Its about the concept of leverage. Those opposed to it want a shortterm funding bill, they want to return in february, when they have more power, force president obama to reel back his executive act. Youre coming they want more leverage. Youre coming from the standpoint of immigration bottom line. Right. The leverage, youre saying immigration. When youre saying leverage, youre saying wall street. Those two things are meeting. Both sides think they have more leverage february, at least two sides on the flanks of the ideological spectrum. Im not sure the progressives think they have more leverage. Well see. Thats the risky thing. A lot of wobbly progressives, and i might have been one, who listen to the white house and said things could get worse for us and there are things in the bill we would not get in january, february. So, what was we know that mcdonough was there talking to House Democrats as the vote was going down thursday. What was the final sell from the white house to democrats . What was the reason that they had to get on board and get this thing through . The white houses sell was this bill locks in a lot of democratic and progressive priorities through september, it funds Affordable Care act, no defunding of obama care, it protects the president S Immigration actions for now, client change actions for now, gets funding level they want and funds programs republican want through september. Takes that off the table early next year. Thats what Dennis Mcdonough was trying to sell democrats on. They all dont like. The twdivide over strategy, ste hoyer and harry reid saying if we dont do this now, republicans will come back with bigger majorities and rewrite this bill entirely. Thats reality of the last few years of american politics, weve been living on onemonth bill to fund the government, oneday bill. When youre talking about heres an opportunity to get all of the funding basically taken care of through next september, that in washington is a big deal. What the democrats on the Elizabeth Warren and the nancy pelosi side want to do is draw a very bright line. This were not going to go there. Were into the going to weaken rums on big banks. Its a core democratic value we fought for for a while. Talk about the leaders. Nancy pelosi, heres the thing, this wall street provision well talk more about it later but this is something there was a substantial amount of democratic support for doing, for undoing this provision before this week. Right. Elizabeth warren makes her speech and suddenly theres a movement and one of the people who lomoves is nancy pelosi. She never supported the provision but she there was a change in her posture, clear change. How do you think she played this . Im hearing from some people she publicly didnt want her party to be associated but at same time wanted the bill to get through anyway. I wasnt in the room, but there is reporting that she, at the end, let people vote their conscience but thought it was important to take a stand. Shes tired of providing john boehner with the votes that get through things that progressives, people to the to her left or the chief, herself opposes an end of the day the speaker doesnt control his caucus. What would happen, will . Maybe thats done. Pelosi saying, if we all say no to this, they wont do this to us again. Something like that. So if democrats had denied republicans the votes, and you had other republican defections and this thing went down thursday night, would that changes the relationship between the Democratic Caucus and john boehner Going Forward. Yes, probably the Republican Caucus and john boehner Going Forward as well. The most divisive thing about the funding bill, simply the length of time. We can talk about the policy issues but the truth is, everybody wanted to have these policy debates at some point. Its the length of time of the funding bill, when it put off the fights that was the issue. But whether or not nancy pelosi was right or not, she had more leverage in february or now, well never know. Whether or not ted cruz and mike lee the Republican Caucus house on the right, well never know. They felt come february, well have more power. What happens in february, first of all . Second of all, is is this what were seeing for the next few years . What this was, this was a bill to keep the government open then its we wanted to get this bank thing in there, lets attach that. We wanted to get this they raised radically the Campaign Finance, put that in there as well. Is that the model well see for the next few years . Two really important dwes that you raise here. One is what the republicans are going to do on immigration, around february or march, and they put the department of Homeland Security funding on a short leech, attached the cr through september. The agency that enforceS Immigration law only funded through february. What john boehner and his allies are promising here, in order to get the bill passed in order to get republican votes, is a huge confrontation with president obama on immigration. They dont know what theyre going to done. He still has a veto pen. No sign hes going to back down. What happens if neither side backs down . What happens if republicans say were not passing funding for the agency, we doesnt like immigration, and the president says im not going to sign that. Does dhs shut down . Does anybody think the republicans will shut down the department of Homeland Security . The republicans on the right side, thats the point. They want to shut it down . No, funding of dhs isnt a big enough leverage point, thats the point theyre making. Boehner is saying it is. Ted cruiz. If youre willing to shut it down if youre willing to take that agency important to security. Do you think theyre bound to lose in february, the way this sets up . Yes. What would have worked . I dont know a threemonth spending bill and a fight over the government budget would have worked either. I dont know what would force president obamas hand. You can only guess. But we know now, the republicans hand isnt as strong as it was yesterday on the fight. Quick point on nancy pelosi, isnt it interesting weve heard republican civil war for six, seven years. When the tide of power is going out, the constituencies break up, you have inner fighting, youre starting to see that on the democratic side. You had pelosi versus hoyer but thats a battle for 50 years. Earlier point, if i can add, its youre absolutely right, this will set the tone attaching legislative provisions to spending bills or continuing resolutions Going Forward. The question is where president obama draws the line with his veto pen. Some things he has to accept. A major piece of one of his big achievements as president was changed in a big way. I saw a quote from somebody that said, thats the story of the next two years, democrats defending and republicans trying to chip away at that legacy like we saw this week. Maybe its a preview of things to come. We will see you later in the show. Well talk more, a lot more about Elizabeth Warren and what her role in all of this later in the show. More to say throughout the morning. Elizabeth warrens moment leading the effort to get the bill killed as part of her continuing battle to keep the big banks in check, more on that later. Later this hour, well talk to one of the democrat whose helped to get that bill pass, squeak it through the house, virginia congressman, a very animated speech from him on the house floor. Nba players and athletes take up their own forms of protest in the eric garner and Michael Brown controversies. More to come, stay with us. Go go wow go power. 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Is history the history of that meltdown in 2008, now more likely to repeat itself because of what congress is doing this weekend . Did Congress Help pave the way for another possible financial crisis . We are joined by jared bernstein, senior fellow at center on budget policy priorities and Vice President bidens economic adviser. For talking points memo, with us help explain that as well. Jared, let me start with you. Ill ask you up front, on behalf of me and other viewers, try to talk in english here. When i start trying to figure out what pushouts and defaults and swaps, i look, i ive got a b. A. Heres the thing let me see if i can treat your symptoms here. Bottom line question, is this as big a deal as Elizabeth Warren says it is, or is this symbolic . No, i think its a big deal. I wouldnt put it in the symbolic category. Let me quickly try to explain, in plain english, banks like to make money, okay. Everybody gets that part. But one of the ways they do so by trading derivatives and these can be very kind of simple, plain vanilla bets look a hedge against Interest Rate going up or down. Or they can be very complex. So, for example, you and i might decide to bet different ways on some portion of a bunnen of mortgagebacked securities, a credit defauld swap we wont get into that what that is the key part thats a risky bet. When that bet blows up, it can mean lots of big losses for banks. Thats one of the reasons that the financial bust that occurred back in 2007 was so severe. And that the problem that senator warren is trying to do something about, this was something we addressed in dodd frank, that is when those risky derivatives blew up, they were held in the part of the bank that gets insured by the federal deposit insurance and back stopped by the federal reserve. So they have a Government Backstop. That puts taxpayers at risk. Dodd frank took the risky derivatives out of the insured part of the bank and put them off in a subsidiary where the bank itself would have to absorb the losses. I pretty much understood that. But when i hear that, obviously it makes sense to me why the banks would want that, the banks benefit in terms of that. This thing passed the house this week, though, majority of the house voted for this, looks like majority of the senate is going to vote for this as well. Is there an argument that can be made beside, well the banks want it this would be a good thing . This might help the economy . Any argument on that front . There it does help banks be more profitable. If you think that americas big problem that is our Financial Sector isnt profitable enough, i guess you would make that argument. I think theres a profound economic argument against it which hasnt been made enough. Its implicit in everything i just said. Let me tell you what that is. Because those risky derivatives are in the insured part of the bank, theyre actually cheaper than they should be. That is, the risk is underpriced. Now if you ask me for one simple definition of what triggers the financial bubble and bust syndrome, its underpriced risk. I think this part of dodd frank is a big deal, because by taking risky derivatives out of the insured part of the bank they took away this risk premium, took away this factor that was depressing the price of risk that was systemically undermining the system. Putting them back in the uninsured part, again, threatens to underprice them and thats the problem. All right. So, explain based on what were hearing from jared, the banks have a huge interest in getting this done, something theyve wanted for a long time. How did this happen this week . Do we know where that language came from . Who the person is, who put it in there, do we know that story . We know citi Group Originally wrote. But we dont know who in congress got the provision stuck in the spending bill. How thats a mystery . Its amazing. When people talk about back room deals made in smokefilled rooms, thats is what were talking about. No one in congress set up ownership. This bill was there, this was added. Has to be some do we know when it happened . We know it happened before the bill was released tuesday evening. Speaker boehner and harry reid signed off on it, we dont know why or who put it in there. Whats interesting to your point, what jared said, that is the banks have fought they clearly wanted this but expended so much Political Capital on this one provision when they have bigger fights they want to fight, like weakening cfpb or getting rid of the volcker rula jebreal, jared can speak to is, more burden some and they want to get rid of much more. That is maybe the bigger question coming out of this. When i said symbolic at the beginning, the symbolic angle, they took a piece out of dodd frank, they took a piece of the signature wall street reform law passed in 2010. If they could do it now and get away with it, does this embolden i say them i dont know who put this in does this embolden them and say this is how we get other stuff we want in the next year or two . I think it does. I think this certainly sets up a worrisome precedent and, as you and sahil were describing, nobody can figure out what the heck happened. So its also interesting to note that these guys have come roaring back. I mean you might have thought that jamie dimon citi bank and jamie dimon at jpmorgan, got 50 billion in taxpayer funded bailout. Lets be very clear about who were talking about. You might think that they wouldnt necessarily have the lobbying sway that theyve had. But in fact, but in fact they clearly do. And one could argue that this sets a precedent with a tougher congress coming in for precisely the kinds of deregulations that you guys were talking. Jared, could i also ask you, if the banks have expended this much Political Capital on this, do you think theres something to say about a possible even a small victory for democrats moving forward that its become so toxic to roll back Financial Regulation in the future, even if this passes, or is this too dangerous as is . I think its pretty dangerous as is because, remember, my theory of the case is that when you lower the actual risk premium, when the price of risk is undercut by this kind of repeal, youre starting to maybe inflate the next financial bubble. But the thing is, its kind of a slowmoving process. My concern is that theyre going to do this, the Financial Markets will continue to churn along and remain profitable, so six months from now theyre going to have this next debate and say, hey, that worked out okay, repealing that part, lets repeal these other parts. Jared bernstein, thanks for joining us. I understood. I struggle with the topic and i understood. Appreciate that. Youll be back with us next hour. Next, to the streets of washington, d. C. For a preview of todays march on washington and other civil rights march set to take place later this morning. vo nourished. Rescued. Protected. Given new hope. During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. Because when you take home a new subaru, we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. Well have given 50 Million Dollars over seven years. Love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. Do you guys have Identity Theft protection . [ male voice ] im sorry, did you say identity distribution . No. Protection. 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Fifty omaha set hut losing feeling in my toes nothing beats that new car smell chicken parm you taste so good nationwide is on your side mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm i cant breathe, last words of eric garner, he repeated them 11 times when a new York City Police officer used a chokehold to pin him to the ground. Garners death ruled homicide by a medical examiner. I cant breathe a rallying cry from people around the nation, protesting the grand jury decision not to indict the new york Police Officer implicated in garners death. Powerful words echoed far beyond city streets. They are being amplified by some of americas most famous athletes. Saturdays chicago bull stars derek rose wore a black tshirt with i cant breathe across the front during pregame warmups. Now im a dad, its change made outlook on life period where, look i say, i dont want my son growing up being scared of the police or having that thought on the mind that Something Like that can happen. Sunday, a group of nfl players also all wore their home made shirts declaring i cant breathe next day new york activists joining jay z to help out basketball superstar lebron james and other players with their tshirts for a high profile game for new york city attended by Prince William and duchess of cambridge. Kobe bryants lakers, georgetown hoyas, players for the sacramento kings, new jersey nets, portland trailblazers followed suit in recent days. So what impact will these athletes statements have . Did they help bring awareness of criminal Justice Reform to a larger audience of americans, if not fans around the globe . Former nba power forward, olympic medalist, charles smith. Its interesting to me, and i dont know if this is an it gets told all the time about michael jordan, sort of the most successful nba marketing story of all time, and when they talked him about political activism he said republicans buy sneakers too, his way of saying, i dont want any part of that. And now im watching, nba players really taking the lead in the last few weeks. We showed it there in the opening, in the wake of the ferguson decision, in the wake of the garner situation. Is the league a different place now than it was during jordans time . I think its just not the league is a different place, the a different generation of individuals due to social media, and all of the internet platforms that are out there. There are a lot of opinions being made, a lot of voices that can be heard through these media platforms. And the players participate in it, so now you have a voice today like you didnt have inniester year. Whats your sense, players speaking out now, do you think this is something where they were they were kind of political before and theyre just speak out now, or is this something galvanizing and creating interest . Waking up to politics now . What is your sense . I dont think theyre necessarily waking up to politics more so, this is a situation that hits home. I think that even from my standpoint, its good to hear derek rose say hes a dad now, because when you see lebron and kobe and some of the other athletes protesting in the way that theyre doing it, what theyre really saying is that, that could have been ply friend, that could have been my son, and its probably happened to a relative and different circumstances. So it hits home and its similar to any other situation, if someone is involved, has a child that has Mental Health issues, when you see a kid that, you know, shot up the school when he has a minuental health issue, ip tos home because their kid has a Mental Health issue. People have to understand its more cultural and this hits home. How do you think the league office, suits, the ceo crowd in the nba, that looks at this obviously as everythings about marketing and merchandising and tv contracts, business bottom line and all of that, how do you think theyre thinking about this, seeing their players making political statements here . You try not the league, i tell you, with adam silver in the direction hes going in, great to see there were no fines and he said basically he wished they would have followed guidelines but there will be no fines. In certain circumstances like this, and it does hit home, its cultural. And nbas one of most diverse leagues in the world, and they have Cultural Diversity sensitivity toward a lot of different issues. If they do not like it, they make the right decision to have to deal with it in a way that is respectful to other peoples cultures. One thing i wonder when i think about this is the polling, and i havent seen this in the garner situation, but definitely saw this in the ferguson situation, there was such a clear racial divide in the polling about how people reacted to that where the overwhelming majority of africanamericans said the grand jury got that wrong and a lot of whites saying no, the grand jury was right about in and it seeped to break down in racial lines. I used to see a lot of celtic games, a lot of black players on the celtics and you look around you wouldnt see many black faces, its a largely white crowd. With players on the court making statements, do you think thats changing the way where theres large white crowds watching largely black players on the floor, do you think that expression maybe reaches them in way . If you dont have an emotional tie to something its hard to relate. I worked in wall street area for eight years and you haddock pie wall street. I could care less, i didnt follow it, it didnt touch me. When mentioning africanamerican players and a white audience, the key to this is that this is about justice. Its not about black and white. You know when you a statement Martin Luther king said, if its if its injustice for one, it needs to turn into justice for all. And that is the issue. When you look at this situation, we cant make it black and white. We have to make it a justice issue. And its good to see in this circumstance that you have black, white, asian, everyone standing for this cause because it takes the racial divide out of it. If it affects you directly, it will affect everybody indirectly. So im glad that this has crossed all racial divides, and thats a cultural problem, thats a country problem that we have, people do not like to talk about racial divide or racial issues, and thats where the problem lies. But in this case, this is something that is pure justice. I dont look at it as black and white. Charles smith, former pittsburgh panther, appreciate that. Next, thousands expected to attend a civil rights mar inch washington hours from now. We are going to go live to d. C. For that part of the story. That is right after this. How much money do you have in your pocket right now . I have 40, 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. This morning, protesters in new york, washington, d. C. , cities across the country, in fact, preparing for a busy weekend of rallies in the wake of two controversial grand jury decisions. Months of unrest in the wake of eric garner and Michael Browns deaths. Todays protesters calling for improved relations between Law Enforcement and africanamerican communities, as well as reduction in Police Violence and increased accountability. Culmination of what some organizers are calling a week of outrage. On thursday, congressional staffs are and the lawmakers they work for, most members of the congressional black caucus, walked off their jobs to the Capitol Steps to make a statement. Later that same day, eric garners daughter led protesters in the socalled diein, lying at site of her fathers death on staten island. All week long the streets of American Cities filled with peaceful protests, some participants in the San Francisco bay area were destroying property. For the latest on what is happening todays marches, joinjoi joined tremendojoi joinjoin tremain lee. Reporter its a cold, skris. Morning in d. C. In a few hours organizers expect thousands to gather here in Freedom Plaza and march 12 blocks southeast towards the capitol building. Organizers expect but wases from florida, georgia, local in d. C. , coming from new york as well, and also philadelphia. And so as we see other protests sprouting today, this could be actually one of the largest p proprotests since eric garner. Organizers are excited, folks gathering here. I talked to one gentleman over in the corner with a flag, with name of young black men who have been killed by police and hes here to show solidarity with the Broader Movement to call for Police Reform and end to police brutality. One of the largest gatherings youre saying, any sense of what kind of crowd talking here numberswise . Reporter the permit calls for 5,000, organizers didnt want to hedge their bets one way or the other. But theyre expecting in the thousands, 2,000, 3,000, but again that permit for 5,000. Well have to wait and see who shows up. Youre right it does look cold down there. I see that breath coming off of you. Appreciate the update. 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All of this is being caused by a weather system known as pineapple express. Despite all of the rainfall this week, meteorologists point out it would take several more soaking rainstorms to end effects of the drought after one of the driest years in california history. Up next, we return to politics with the House Democrat who believes Elizabeth Warren is hurting democrats more than helping them. Hell be here on the other side of this break. Emma, its simple, when you are in a place like this, the best way to capture the moment is to feel it, even if you cant see it. Because it helps me skip the bad stuff. Im good. Thats what i like to call, the meta effect. 4in1 multihealth metamucil now clinically proven to help you feel less hungry between meals. Experience the meta effect with our new multihealth wellness line. Which means its timeson for the volkswagen signthendrive event. For practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a germanengineered volkswagen. 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Moran has been through countless budget battles during his 23 years on capitol hill, this will be his last. Hes retiring from the house after serving 12 terms. Congressman jim moran live from washington. Thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. Appreciate it. You were very work up on the house floor on thursday night. What was it about Elizabeth Warren and her opposition to this and what that did to your colleagues that got you so fired up like that . Shes demagoguing an issue that she knows the public doesnt understand. With this provision in the bill, banks still cant put any taxpayers money at risk, there will never be another bank bailout. Banks cant use depositors money for risky investments, they cant engage in credit default swaps. But the fact is that the agricultural and the manufacturing corporations need some predict ability in terms of Interest Rates and Commodity Prices. Paul volcker said, if this provision is in, it doesnt jeopardize banks solace si one iota. He said it doesnt matter if the provision is in. And 74 democrats voted for it. Its a complex issue. But you know, farmers have, since the civil war, have hedged their bets in terms of Commodity Prices and the like because they need to plan for the future and be able to invest. Because she knew that people dont really understand it, i think she wanted to get out front. I hate to be on the other side of a liberal icon like Elizabeth Warren. I respect her views. I respect what she wants to achieve for this country. But that should not have derailed this bill. But congressman, this was, the conventional wisdom before Elizabeth Warren spoke out on this was, that this was going to pass. It would clear both chambers with relative ease. Then she spoke out. Then it bam a big drama. Do you feel she intimidated your colleagues, your democratic colleagues . I think there are a lot of people who do not want to be on the right of Elizabeth Warren. They want they want her to represent liberal views. They know she has a grandstand. They know their constituents are listening to her. They know they cant explain the issue and so they are willing to jeopardize 30 billion for nih. We put more than 7 billion into Indian Health and education. We put more than 11 billion into headstart and early child care. 2. 7 billion to fight ebola. We killed 26 antienvironmental riders which means we can regulate power plants, we can regulate mountaintop mining removal and regulate ivory. If we dont pass this bill now, then were going to lose most of those gains. Its a good bill, steve. By the end of this, your partys leader, nancy pelosi, saying to democrats she was against this, she was hoping they would be against this. What did you think of her leadership in this week . Youre not going to get me cross with nancy pelosi. Youre telling me its a great bill, theres no she was against it. Nancys a wonderful person, terrific leader. But as the Democratic Caucus gets smaller, it it gets more liberal, and we know what our constituents think. We know what they want us to be doing because these elections are no longer decided as much in a general as in a primary. And the democrats are as much concerned about their left wing as the republicans are concerned about their right wing. And you know, this provision shouldnt have been in. But the fact is, it was the last train leaving the station. It happens every time. When youve got one mustpass bill, people put those things on. But this should not have been a poison pill. Those folks who understand it fully, the vast majority of them, realize this is something that has to be done. Its really not for the benefit of big banks. Its for the agricultural and manufacturing communities. It was about politics, steve. Let me be clear on this, you said two thins that sounded different to me. You said this provision should not have been in the bill but its something that has to be done. How do you square those two things . Because i in should have been done in a reason for regular procedural way so that the members knew what they were doing, it should have come from the banking committee. It should have come up as a standalone bill. We should have been able to debate it and not throw it in at the last minute when the members of Congress Really didnt fully understand the issue. Understandably. There was no talk about it. It was put in by the leadership on both sides, as was the Campaign Finance provision. But thats oftentimes done. My point was that we really dont have an option of killing this bill because its more than a trillion hundreds of provisis the democrats were able to get into the bill, important provisions, many going to lose with a Republican Senate after january. And so you have to make these judgment calls. And we Many Democrats let the perfect be the enemy of the good. This is a good bill. Two provisions added were not sufficiently bad to kill this bill. A lot of people are going to suffer. If we dont get this bill done now. It reflects our democratic priorities. Its the last time thats going to happen. At least for the next two years. You, sir, you retire from congress, youre not going to be on capitol hill next week but Elizabeth Warren is going to be there. Do you think we saw a blueprint this week, is this something, the drama we saw, something we expect to be seeing, Elizabeth Warren making astand in what youre saying, moving liberals in her direction . Sounds like something well be seeing for the next couple of years. I hate to say this as a liberal myself, i think youre going to see the same dynamics in the Democratic Party as the republican party. Ted cruz going out to the right and trying to derail legislation, and i do think youre going to see some Division Within the Democratic Party between those on the left and those that are further on the left. And you know, these ideological issues, the best thing that can happen is shows like yours fully explaining them, showing both sides, and letting the constituencieses determine what is right. But you know, generally shades of gray in all of these issues. Its not black and white. We have to make judgment calls. Thats our responsibility. We have to compromise. This bill thats being considered by the senate now, and barely passed by one vote in the house, is a compromise. And yet the democrats got far more in it than we ever thought we would. And thats why we should have all voted for it. All right. Congressman jim moran from virginia, retiring after 12 years, thanks for taking a few minutes this morning. Really appreciate it. 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This morning, new evidence measuring how much the revelations contained within that report appear to be resonating with the country. But we want to begin this hour with more on the funding fight. Its not really about keeping the government open, which is now tearing washington apart. Within the last 36 hours weve learned how powerful Elizabeth Warren is. Her influence in the wake of this only figures to grow. Senator warren who sparked a revolt over a wall streetfriendly provision in the bill to keep the government open urged democrats on the other side of capitol hill, democrats in the house, to stand with her. Thats what helped to get nancy pelosi on board at least publicly, once that happened, suddenly that government funding bill that everyone figured would sail through this week was in major jeopardy. I urge my colleagues in the house, particularly democratic colleagues whose votes are essential to moving this package forward, to withhold support from it until this risky giveaway is removed from the legislation. We all need to stand and fight this giveaway to the most powerful banks in this country. Holding up a government funding bill, trying to wrangle up no votes in the other chamber, in the house, in a way a play book weve seen before from a republican. Not just any republican. Ted cruz. Cruz with warren now on this issue. They are both against the bill, though against it for very different reasons. It was 14 months ago that cruz and Tea Party Republicans from the house strategized a now infamous dinner meeting to force the government into a shutdown over opposition to obamacare. Cruz and warren doing are not the same thing. We know cruz was happy shutting down the Government Back then. We only know that warren wanted to blow up this plan to pass a funding bill, not necessarily that she would have voted for a shutdown if it had come to it. There are broad similarities here. Cruz on the right, warren on the left, using the drama of critical deadlines to challenge their parties leadership, really partys bases and push their pet causes. This led a senior democratic aide to tell hardball s about warren yesterday, quote, shes the ted cruz of the Democratic Party, the purist who may stand on principle but refuses to be of the governing majority. Does she take this and reconsider run for president . Continue to lead her party on capitol hill from the left. What is her role Going Forward . What do they make of all of this . Our panel, joined by the congressional reporter for talking points, will cain, joan wall, msnbc political analyst, editor for the salon. Elizabeth warren, ted cruz, that comparison, that parallel, what what you make of it. So not the same. She did join the democratic leadership majority. She has a leadership position they created for her. Second of all we have no evidence that she would have shut down the government over this. Third of all im on third what shes trying to do is stop people from, including democrats, from doing something that they could not do through the legislative process. Ted cruz was trying to do something with the Government Shutdown that he could not do to the legislative process. Thats those are very, very different things. If this were going to be voted on in the democratic senate, it would not this Bank Provision would not pass. I hope this Campaign Finance nonreform would not pass. But those are just very different approaches. And in the end we dont know. I think she was saying we think we have the leverage, we can if the republicans will buckle on this, we can get this provision out. It didnt come to, well, we couldnt get it out, now were going to shut the government down. That was the thing, always this backdrop of if, they could pass they did, passed a couple of extensions. Its fair to say we didnt know if she would shut the government down. Will, looking at this from the right, when you look at Elizabeth Warren, do you feel like youre seeing somebody like ted cruz . I see you smiling. I think i know your answer to this, too. I think joans analysis is a reflection of your disdain for ted cruz as the substantive merits to the comparison. I think similarities between the two are so bright the differences are lost or should be dimmed. Heres the deal. I like Elizabeth Warren. I like someone, stands upon principle. I like ted cruz for the same reasons. I like anyone who vote according to principles and not political exped yen sip theres a separate question, bad strategy. Ted cruzs strategy a year ago was bad. His idea was get rid of obamacare entirely or shut down the government. I dont think a Government Shutdown would have led to getting rid of obamacare. I dont think president obama would have signed that bill. I like Elizabeth Warren, because she stands on principle. All around a like her. Stand on principle, you endorse bad strategy on the left, i like it. Sahil, be the referee here, let me ask you this. I saw Lindsey Graham last night, i watched until they adjourned and Lindsey Graham got down on the senate floor and started he was mocking democrats. Saying this is what Elizabeth Warren said, when ted cruz shut down the government. Now shes doing. Shes part of the problem. And i got people on my side who are part of the problem and theyre both doing the same thing. I wonder how much i talked to them when they dont want them named but a lot of republicans view ted cruz as a problem in their party and they love the idea of being able to look at democrats and say, see, you guys, too. We got one, you got another. How much of that is whats motivating this. Obvious similarities here in that theyre both senators who are loved by their base and trying to get the house to do something they want to do. There are important differences, too, keep in mind. Ted cruz was trying to add provisions to spending bills that changed the law. Elizabeth warren is trying to remove a provision that would change current law. But the bigger difference between these two, and this is really important, is that Elizabeth Warren picks her spots on the issues that she has been fighting for and that she understands very, very well, financial reform and Student Loans and education among them. Ted cruz look at every issue and sees an opportunity to be a firebrand, to create a stir, and to endear himself to the conservative base, which is not to say i dont think he believes those thinks, i think he does. Youre not going to see Elizabeth Warren looking at every progressive issue to jump in front and create a stir. Jim moran thinks shes running for president. I had not thought she was running for president. But moments happen in politics. Nobody thought barack obama, candidate for senate in illinois was running for president and saw it differently. I think people immediately thought he would run eventually. They didnt think 2008 before the speech they never thought of. Is this one of moments they saw Something Different . A lot of progressives did, absolutely. I dont think shes running. She said, repeatedly, shes not running. I dont think she wants to run. I dont think shes ever gotten up in the morning and said, i want to be president of the united states. I think in her book she talks about she now holds ted kennedys seat a position of honor and power. Scott brown would say the peoples seat. Thanks a lot. But one more point i want to speak to something congressman moran, hes not here to defend himself, i want to take, he said this is a bill that reflects democratic issues. This is not this should not be a bill that reflects democrat principles. It does, this party is going to have a civil war. Democrats are happy that shes drawing a bright line around the party that has catered to wall street. Its both parties. I would love to see i dont think im going to see it but id love to see, shed love to see, cooperation with Tea Party Senators who came to power railing against the bailout. So she, not to get into the legislative language here, but she proposed in an amendment theyre not going to get a vote on it to take the wall street stuff out, david vitter did that. David vitter did side with her. I dont think theyre going to get. Shes probably going to lose the battle as Elizabeth Warren but going to win the war, the Democratic Party in a major way. This is going to be a huge issue in the 2016 president ial race, people are asking, where is Hillary Clinton on this . Every Progressive Group, even if Elizabeth Warren runs, i dont think she will, every Progressive Group will push the democratic field toward her. How can Hillary Clinton do onetenth what Elizabeth Warren has done on this . Thats what i have trouble seeing. Thats naive and hopeful to think the Democratic Party will adopt Elizabeth Warrens ideals on wall street. I think Elizabeth Warren wont run, i dont think she thinks she can win. Barack obama was the progressive upstart who beat the democratic machine and hillary. Theres evidence warren can say, i can do this, too. The Democratic Party isnt near as antiwall street as Elizabeth Warren would have you believe. Therefore, i dont think the partys going to move to her over the next leadership is not antiwall street Democratic Base is. Hillary question fascinates me. That alliance that wills talking about between the Democratic Party and wall street thats a product of the clinton years, of the 1990s. Deliberate strategies. If this is where the Democrat Party is moving, if the soul of the Democratic Party is moving where Elizabeth Warren is, im looking at Hillary Clinton and say how she can stand up there and say anything like Elizabeth Warren is saying and anybody take her seriously . First, shes not her husband. She did not sign the end of glasssteagall. She did not do than shes taken positions on her own, she was the senator who represented wall street. Warren took shots at her in her book as a new york senator. With chuck schumer, thats problemat problematic. But nothing that says she cant evolve on the issue. Politicians evolve. She can, because of politics or her own morality, see that this is weve gone too far in the party and as a nation catering to wall street privileging the Financial Sector. The base believes than i think republican on the Republican Base believe that. There are. They think we ned to rein in wall street. The question is how . Draw bright lines, cap the size of banks. If you had gone that way you might have found republicans who say, yeah, i can envision Something Like this copping together. I dont know if Elizabeth Warren would do that. You find a politician for than i dont know if it would be big enough. Youre right. Do we know what her next move is . This came out of nowhere. She continues to put this on the map. Continues to raise the issue, force the issue, force democrats to take a stand on the issue. Interesting thing as we were talking about earlier in your show, not a single democrat has come out to defend this provision. I dont know if a single republican has. We had moran was the first one i heard last hour. Defending the bill overall, its a compromise but no one is defending the merits of this dodd frank provision. Hes saying not a good idea but support the bill overall. No one is asking for this except banks, thats the fascinating thing. Thats already Elizabeth Warren has the high ground, no one is defending this provision on the merits. I will say this, the thing that makes ted cruz so appealing to the base is they get the sense that he is saying things that the leadership cant say because theyre compromised from a l alliances. True. Youll be back later in the hour. The same die nynamic playing ou moveon. Org. Howard dean. Tomorrow both sides will square off. Howard dean, trying to recruit warren into the race, both join us live. Next, american icons stunning fall from grace, latest allegations against bill cosby. Stay with us. Holiday music is p hey i guess were going to need a new santa the music builds to a climax. more people are coming to audi than ever before. See why now is the best time. Audi will cover your first months payment on select models at the season of audi sales event. Visit audioffers. Com today. We asked people a question how much money do you think youll need when you retire . 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The list of women accusing bill cosby is one name longer. Beverly johnson, first africanamerican ever to make the cover of vogue magazine, accused cosby of drugging her at hess home in 1986. She says that cosby invited her there to audition for a guest role on his hit tv sitcom the cosby show, he insisted she drink a cup of coffee when she didnt want one and after two sips she claims she knew that she had been drugged. He he he summons me over to begin the scene and then i knew that he had drugged me and he was going to take advantage of me. I just went to survival mode. I just i just went to a tirade. I was calling him names, louder and louder. I couldnt stop. Johnson says that cosby then escorted her out, roughly, put her in a cab back to her apartment. She didnt know how she got home or upstairs into her apartment after that. Bill cosby has not been charged with a crime and has denied past allegations. His lawyers have not responded to nbc news about johnsons claims. T a. Excused by two dozen women drugging and or assaulting them. Reruns of the cosby show stopped airing on a number of outlets. That show which attracted tens of millions every week with its depiction of an upper class blad family, stood as a piece of meshs cultural history. Can anyone now or in the years to come ever look at show in the same way now that all of this has come out . Joining me now, friend and cohost of the cycle, toure. Thanks for having me. I want to put all of the legal stuff aside. Allegations are horrible, everybody can make their own judgment. The allegations are out there, may be more allegations to come. What we know though, the cosby show itself, for a decade in american life, was just a titanic force. It has an incredibly important place in television history, as we say and in the cultural history of the country. Its the kind of thing, as a few week ago, if im flipping around, id turn it on, get more memories, associate it with that period and american life. Ten years from now, 20 years, 50 years from now, do you think anybody will be able to watch the show, appreciate it for what it was at the time . No. Obviously, you can never appreciate something out of its own historical context, right . We dont receive james brown the same way as people did in the 60s because we dont exist at that time. That said, the cosby show was so massive, so important, presenting america with this vision, beautiful classy, soulful, black family that was super relatable, not ever running away from their plaq blackness but allowing everybody to be part. Bill cosby, the dad you wish you had, funny, wise, and tough when he needed to be, but not over tough and always forgiving enough. I mean, and he was a massive figure in the black community and in america before that, right . I spy made him this national hero. We watched every episode of the cosby show the first one when we heard it advertised, my mom, thats my man cosby from i spy, comedy routines, listening to the routine about dad gave us chocolate cake with my father in the car, shes going to have a show, great, well watch it. We watched every single one, and it created this image of black people, classy, intel again, i mean, striving for college, you know, listening to jazz, being in the law, being in the hospital. All of those sort of things. So i mean, separated, just now, that we have the black president , we have some of these other things, you know, you think about successes that weve had, you cant see it in the same context. But the heart of your question, the bill cosby that we see now, who seems monstrous, so dissow nents as the sweet jello pudding pop dad, no you can never see that show the same way again. I had the experience, they pulled it from most of the places running it, this was gathering steam, i happened to be flipping through the channels and saw it, it was like a thanksgiving episode, Cliff Huxtable keeps having to go out get something new, its raining, playing it with facial expressions and everything. Im watching it, i remember how i loved that episode. Im looking at it but thinking, im looking at him saying this was the dad everybody wanted to have as a kid, right . Instead thinking, what about this accusation . Sure, everything gets recontextualizes. An episode sonia came on, looking gorgeous, as she always does, surely you would see that differently or a letterman clip hes in for letterman and sophia 15 gar ras on, remarking on her beauty, which is obvious but now it seems creepy, everything about him. He had a comedy show, a couple weeks ago, performance, they offered refunds but he went ahead with. Hes largely disappearing from public view. Any way for him to continue his career . Are we going to see more performances or disappear . That, i dont know. Thats up to him, right . Still people will pay and hear the jokes and when hes making jokes that some people think im an evil man, its so disgusting that hes really not taking in whats happening to him. Will there always be somebody who will want to hear what he has to say . Will there always be somebody who wants to see Lance Armstrong ride or to hear r. Kelly sing a song . Yes, that will always exit. As long as he wants to go throughout and do it, somebody will be there to receive it. But i mean like you say to communicate in the same way the message of the show, his performance rooted in this character that everybody bought into. Yes. Once thats destroyed, you cant appreciate look, there was already a problem with a lot of people, right . Apart from this stuff, this long thing of respect ability politics was condescending, it didnt match at all with the social science last ten years when hes going around the country making speeches and saying this is the African Community should be doing x and y . Yes, the fathers the problem, pull your pants stuff, it was gross, distancing. Already a generation of folks, thats what we know bill cosby for, we dont like him, we dont respect that message at all. He was already distancing himself from a lot of people. This is something that nobody can accept. Right. Just the hypocrisy of his message, one of selfdiscipline and this is the stuff that comes out. The thing thats bizarre, if youre intelligent, rich, powerful, good look, funny, charming, you can get women. Why are you going this other bizarre monstrous route . Thats a whole other thing with the drugging. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. 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A lice formed opinion or maybe no opinion at all, have now at least for the last two or three days now been been tuned into a robust public debate. Weve had forceful, good people on both sides of this debate in which weve had an extensive discussion about whether the use of these techniques was worth it. One of the big of the stories of the week, release of the torture report. The often shocking revelations found within as well as all of the commentary and blowback in the days since. We wanted to take a minute and talk about how the report is resonating with the public at large. The very interesting thing we learned how americans feel about torture seems to depend entirely when asked. For instance, ten years ago in 2004, at the height of the iraq occupation, right after at bu great brita abu ghraib scandal, believe torture is rarely or never justified. Seven years late, numbers flipped around. Suddenly majority, 53 of those asked by pew, said they believe that torture is sometimes or even often justified. Major thing we can point to is having changed between 2004 and 2011, how the commander in chief, the second poll came after president barack obama had taken office and banned torture. Joining me, managing editor at msnbc. I looked alllot at polling. There hasnt been a lot of torture polling, you have to go back to 2011 or so. Torture began to be polled in 2004, when abu ghraib happened, the countrys initial reaction, whoa, we dont want part of this, then it moved over the next five, six, seven years you had majority saying, were comfortable with this. And thats giving them, using the word torture, majority saying that. Its surprising me to see it. Another thing thats different from 2004 to today, photographs. You know the public saw photographs of what happened in abu ghraib. And they reacted to that and didnt like what they saw. They have not seen photographs of what happened in secret sites operated by the cia. Theyve heard tell, secret block sites, people held there, three people water boarded. This constant drum beat that has come from the cia and defenders from the former directors, from former Vice President dick cheney you dont see exactly what it is, very little, but all of these people are out there telling you, it works. And thats had an impact, and i think thats what the poll showed. People really believe that its a value. People i think people believe that its they look at it as your gut tells you its got to work on some level. Think of what you, yourself would do. Somebody applies enough pain to you, youre keeping something from them, that youll cough it up eventually. People my guess, when you look at poll numbers, people thinking to that scenario, the clock is ticking, we know theres some kind of threat, we have the guy who is going to, in that case people have very, what outweighs the other here . They hope thats the case, they hope this worked. I think its very important for the cia and people like dick cheney to tell everyone it worked otherwise your a monster if it didnt work. For the public they dont want it to be true. Thats not what the Senate Intelligence found. They did not find any torture, that any suspect who was subjected to torture and abuse coughed up exactly the information because of those because of those tactics that saved lives. There was no ticking time bomb scenario ever. I guess, to the counterpoint from the cia standpoint would be, thats what the Senate Report says. They say we did get information from it valuable. We cant say if we couldnt have gotten that information from other sources but they would say, consider the context, consider the threat that this country faced. What happened on 9 11 and years after that, we all thinking we dont want another plane flying in another building, dweent wwe want another 3,000 americans dying. Do you get the information from the most direct way of getting it . One of the things i found disturbing reading the polling and analysis a comment somebody made that you know, people are okay as long as it doesnt leave permanent, physical damage. Detainee died in u. S. Custody. Another detainee lost an eye. Detainees so physically and mentally broken that theyre no longer functioning people, as you would know it. So i think, again, the idea of, you know we cant know i think the reason you cant know is because, as the Senate Report showed, they didnt try, they went immediately to the most abusive aggressive tactics possible and didnt stop. And so the reason that you cant know is because there was no effort made in many instances to even try to obtain information in another way. And i think thats an important thing. And i think, again, if you polled americans and showed them this is what it is, this is what it looks like, these are descriptions of exact tactics and these are the faces of the people who did it i think polling numbers would look very different. Quick question, we dont have pictures here. Do you think the numbers will change after in is there i dont know. I actually think that the supporters of the cia and of these programs have been extremely effective in really pushing the narrative that these things work. And i think that they especially, whats been successful, information obtained through these programs helped with the ultimate rescue the ultimate killing of osama bin laden. It worked. Youll be back with us later in the hour. Thanks for that. 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Incorrect. Retiring john dingell. John dingell, cast final vote. 100 points. Saying that they would violate the separation of church and state, offer of tax rebates for a religious theme park featuring 500foot long noahs ark revoked of the governor of this bluegrass state. Kentucky. On thursday, this film starring Michael Keaton received seven nominations bird man. Correct. Stop the clock. Exciting news for you, not only do you get 100 points for correctly answering that question, but triggered our video bonus quote of note question. This is a riskfree proposition. A special celebrity guest who is going to read for you a famous quote. You can identify who said those words, we will double that 100 points, give you an extra 100. Mr. Bob ryan. Im bob ryan. Tip oneill famously said, all politics is local. And even bigger boston luminary once said, theres a secret to playing basketball but i aint saying what it is. Dafna, do you know what that is . No penalty for guessing. I dont know. Larry bird. Larry legend said that. Bob said, no penalty. Strictly bonus. Put the clock back in motion. Return with this for 100. President obama filled in as host for part of this late the colbert show. Cant accept that. The colbert report. Correct. Very subtle distinction. 100 point tossup. Following approval of the debt Restructuring Plan this rust bet city emerged. Detroit. Detroit emerged from bankruptcy. This week, Time Magazine awarded its 2014 the ebola patients. Incorrect. Will . Ebola doctors. Ebola doctors. Actually, thats incorrect. We need to be more specific than that. Its ring again . Ebola health workers. Not all doctors. 100point tossup question. A ceremonial move, nato closed operational headquarters in kabul, capital of this country. Afghanistan. Afghanistan is correct. 100 point tossup. Justice Department Said on thursday it will no longer prosecute federal laws New York Times reporter jim risen. Federal laws on indian reservations when it comes to the regulation of this plant. James risen wasnt in. That was marijuana. End of the round. A lot of up and down there. Sahil emerges from that round with 200 points. Will and dafna each have zero. We are moving to the 200point round, twice as valuable, twice as hard. Put 100 seconds back on the clock. We begin with this. It was revealed this week that jeb bush has done lucrative work with British Financial ServicesCompany Barclays and this defunct Investment Bank closely associated with 2008 will . Lehman brothers. Correct. Tied with sahil. 200point tossup. Calling himself definitely the underdog, 2012 republican president ial candidate romney. Incorrect. Indicated to the Washington Post this week that hes planning to run again in 2016. Will . Rick santorum. Correct. Will at the wire. 200 points. Jonathan gruber, m. I. Ty professor who helped craft blueprint for affordable act, grilled by members of the House Oversite Committee chaired by this california republican. Daryl issa. Daryl issa. 200 points for the capitol hill reporter. A bigger user base than twitter, this social media app instagram. Now has more than 300 million users, correct. Hacked emails revealed this week showed producer scott rudin calling this actress angelina jolie. Minimally talented brat. Stop it. Exciting news, will. Yes. Not only did you get 200 points for answering that question correctly but you have triggered use it or lose it bonus question. This is not a riskfree proposition but i have a question, followup question, somehow related to the one you just answered. If you would like to hear that question and answer for additional 200 points you may, or opt not to hear the question and move on with the game. I have the bonus question. Will you use it or lose it . 100 use it. All right. Thats the answer we were hoping to hear. Use it or lose it bonus question. Angelina jolies father, a prominent actor and republican activist in 2011 accused president obama of, quote, promoting antisemitism around the world. Who is he . Jon voight. Jon voight, midnight cowboy 200 extra points for will takes the lead. Start the clock back in motion. 200 point question. Andrew cuomo discussed criminal Justice Reform on wednesday with this rapper entrepreneur. Will . Russell simmons. Incorrect. Want to take shot at this one . Going to call time. Jay z. 200 point tossup. This senator said its quote, highly, highly unlikely shell in mary landrieu. Jamie foxx, the White House Monday screened this new movie. Annie. He has moved in the lead with 800 points. Sahil at 400. Dafna with 200. Things get wild, crazy, unpredictable. Ph. D. Round, 300 points. Dim the lights for dramatic effect. Empires won or lost in a single question. 100 seconds. Well crown a champion here. Wheres that clock . Start the 300point round with this. Fueling talk that he may run for president in 2016, indiana governor set to spend Christmas Mitch daniels. Incorrect. Mike pence. Mike pence will be in israel for christmas. Time capsule open this week in boston believed to have been buried more than 200 years ago by paul revere and this other famous colonial figure name immortgai immortga immortalized by a beer. Sam adams. The news aggregators a fee to news stories google will no longer feature articles in this european country. Time. That would be spain. 300point tossup. Charity event on thursday, a 70,000 antique vase accidentally knocked over by ed kochs the soninlaw of this deceased president. Richard nixons soninlaw. This week, announced that investors from abu dhabi purchasing this iconic Law Enforcement landmark in london england. Will . Scotland yards. Scotland yards. 300 points. This former democratic governor of ohio said hes considering running for the u. S. Senate in that state in 2016. 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And its that time that we find out what our guests know now that they didnt know when the week began. Lets start with you, daphne. I didnt know how serious the abuses were by the cia over the detainees. That came as a surprise to many in washington and in our country. All right, will. Hate to keep it too serious. But increasingly learn that accusation that has become conviction in our society. Were talking about lena dunham or uva. The power of the accusation is dangerous. All you have to do is allege something. And that person essentially is tried and convicteded in our public discussion. I learned just an hour ago that Senate Democrats plan on advancing the nomination of murthy for surgeon general. This was a nomination stalled by the nra, who objected to this nominee because he said guns are a Public Health issue. Very interesting piece of news. A quick correction here from the game show. Will, you won. Your margin should have been bigger. We asked who met with governor cuomo. 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Where just two hours from now a march is expected to draw thousands of people, all calling on congress to take action in response to police brutality. The march led by a coalition of civil rights group, i colluding Reverend Al Sharptons National Action Network is motivated by the lack of grand jury drooimt for the police who killed Michael Brown and