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flash flooding and extensive damage leaving 90,000 people without power. these latest storms come less than two weeks after the series of deadly tornadoes ravaged moore. killing 23 people. the tornado touched down in st. louis prompting the consolation of the baseball game. for more on the deadly tornadoes in oklahoma, we go to nbc's mark potter who joins us live from oklahoma city. >> reporter: hey, steve, the last thing that central oklahoma needed at this time was another round of tornadoes but that's what they got. they cropped up yesterday afternoon into the evening, out west of this area. they first hit in rural areas and then in small towns and then made their way to the suburbs of oklahoma city and into the airport area. the airport was closed down. all flights canceled. they are still not running at this time now. as you said, five people were killed. confirmed so far. two of them include a woman an her infant killed in their car. three others also killed in their vehicles as of stiff winds overturn trucks and cars and clocked up the highways. again, largely west of oklahoma city. we know of 27 people who were taken to the hospitals around here for treatment. ten of them are still there. right now, we're waiting to see what sort of physical damage there was. the mayor here in oklahoma city says it's not too bad in this area. there's some flooding in the north end of the town, but the worst of the damage, if -- is going to be to the west of this area. in areas of elreno, union city, perhaps yukon and areas between those cities where we're told there's damage to a vocational school and also to some forms and other residents out in that area. we're going go out there and take a look ourselves. the wind knocked down powerlines putting almost 100,000 people without power and imagined west and caused problems in other states. the light is up and authorities are assessing all the damage. steve. >> nbc's mark potter in oklahoma city. thank you for that report. right now i'll joined by shannon moore who writes a weekly political college and hosts a tv show moore up north." alec gillis. the magazine's senior editor. and arkansas state representative, charles armstrong who represents parts of little rock in the state legislature. fbi questioned a man in connection with the three letters mailed to president obama. and letters were made public this week. two so far tested positive for the poison ricin and a third the letter sent to obama is still being tested. the letter to bloomberg said, quote, you will have to kill me and my family before you get my guns. anyone wants to come to my house will get shot in the face. right to bear arms is my constitutional god-given right. h what is in this letter is nothing compared to what i got planned for you. three officers involved in the case faced minor symptoms. bloomberg said his determination to push for tougher gun laws is not shaken by the attack. jts the letter referred to our antigun efforts but $12,000 people going to get killed with guns and 19,000 will commit suicide with guns and we're not going to walk away from those efforts. >> bloombergary group renewed its campaign for gun measures. weeks ago they started running a tv ad targeting senator mark pryor the most vulnerable senator in the mid terms who voted in april against the bipartisan bill for background checks. >> when my dear friend was shot. i didn't blame the guns, that's why i was so disappointed when mark pryor voted against comprehensive background checks. on that vote, he let us down. tell mark pryor to take another look at background checks, because we're tired of being disappointed. >> the ad was designed specifically to chip away at pryor's support among african-americans who make up about 14 percent of registered voters and are critical to pryor's re-election effort. last month pryor's group said it's hard to imagine a combination of constituencies that get him over the finish line if he doesn't perform exceptionally well over the african-american community. pryor revealed a first counter attack, first ad in the 2014 cycle. >> the mayor of new york city is running ads against me because i oppose president obama's gun control legislation. nothing would have prevented tragedies like newtown, aurora, tucson even jonesboro. i'm committing to finding real solutions to gun violence while protecting our second amendment rights. i'm mark pryor. i approve this message because no one from new york or washington tells me to what to do. i listen to arkansas. >> no one from new york tells him what to do. howard you're from new york, what do you say when you see that? >> i hope he listens to 80,000 odd candidates that want them to vote yes. mark my yore had a mixed record on gun safety measures, he considered the vote and obviously went the wrong way. we hope he will consider. we hope the ad is watched by lots of people in arkansas. i take some issue with what he said. this is a massive tv by in arkansas. everyone will see this regardless whether you're democrat or republican. black, white. it crosses racial lines, crosses age lines and hope he responds to the vast majority of candidates who want him to vote for it. >> generally speaking, yes, you put a lot of money behind this. what is fascinating, okay, mark pryor did not vote for background checks last month. like you said his record has been mixed in 2004 last time assault weapons ban was up. mark pryor voted for assault weapons ban. he has not been the nra's best friend in the senate. the alternative here, we're not talking about a situation where there's a democratic challenger at least not yet. we're talking about a situation if mark pryor loses you'll get a republican point who is definitely -- couldn't think to his left on guns, possibly to the right. i'm not sure if you take mark pryor out here. are you happy if you relation him with a totally pro-gun far right republican. >> this is the issue on the table. this is the most important issue before us around gun safety and if mark pryor is voting no from our perspective, he's no better or worse than a republican who would vote no. mayors against illegal guns is not a republican organization. mike bloomberg is an independent. there are lots of republicans and democrats in the organization. we're not in the business of trying to elect a democratic senate or republican senate. we're trying to get reasonable gun safety legislation through the senate and targeting both republicans and democrats. running three adds in republican state, arizona and new hampshire. targeting republican senators, one is targeting a democrat. >> he's not up until 2018. >> not a lot of vulnerable republicans up in '14. that's just the map. that's reality. mr. pryor is vulnerable. he's in real trouble and we hope that he'll take a look at this and change his mind. we hope many of the people or at least enough of the people who voted the wrong way will change their mind based on what they're hearing from constituents. if you look at polling in places where people voted no. their poll numbers have gone down in places where people have walked away from reasonable gun safety. when voters are informed of what their senators did, they don't like it. i think mr. pryor's numbers are going to go down. he's up with an ad countering us. obviously, we expected that. i'm confident we have resources to keep doing what we're doing. i don't know if he does. that will be up to him. he will have a republican point. he's getting hit by a another group on the right issue. he's getting squeezed from the left on gun issues, squeezed from the right on other issues. he may have a political problem. >> mark pryor, this is your party, your state. what do you make of what mayor bloomberg is doing? >> mayor bloomberg's group are looking at ways to probably come out and make sure that we have plenty of gun safety laws on the book and mark did vote -- he voted against the -- i believe it was mentioned to me. >> the background check bill. >> and one reason he stated in arkansas that the reason why he voted against it was because it was too broad. it didn't really get down to the nut and bolts in the background check. that's to be seen. >> how did that vote go over in the democratic party in arkansas. see the democratic senator from arkansas voting against background check. what has been the mood after that? is it we have to make this guy pay or hey, that's what you have to do to succeed in an election in arkansas. >> i don't think it's a real move. people are studying trying to see what to do about this issue at this time. >> alec, your cover story this week is the end of the nra. and i look at that and i say, well, you clearly have money on the sort of pro gun control side that we haven't seen before but the context we're talking about the failure of background checks bill in april. that was sort of an example of the nra still being very powerful. >> i would say we're having this ongoing fight is a sign that things have changed. everyone thought this was just dead when the bill ailed. but we're still talking about it. it might be coming up for a vote in july. we might have discussion of fallout. just the fact you have an attempt to hold people accountable is fascinating. you didn't have the resources for that before. and didn't have the grass roots reaction. there was a real almost revolt against that vote for a lot of people. what do you mean? the thing that was supported by 80%. 90% of people don't get through the senate? that's just wrong. what i saw up there was a real -- just a backlash in a lot of places. now you have the money actually to back that backlash up. there is this tension about how you do this. i mean, there's a question of, is it -- does it make sense to go after democrats when republicans would be no better? i think what the mayor's group is trying to do is change the calculus on this. to get elected officials thinking twice. the easy, safe thing to do is vote with the gun lobby. now you're trying to get people in most saids to think maybe i should go the other way. maybe the self-frommed smarter thing is to go with -- for reasonable gun control and that's what they're trying to do right here. it's a new thing. >> we flew, shannyon from alaska. a states with strong gun commission. i want to talk about his vote is playing in alaska and how 2014 is shaping up after this. 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>> it's interesting. the alaska gun culture. there's a lot of discovery shows about all of the hunting, you know, the life style there. people are really familiar with guns. it's not a big and hairy deal there. it's part of your life. 60 percent of alaskans support background checks. i was really surprised by senator begich's vote. he told me that i shouldn't be. because he's always been consistent on his gun views for 25 years. we ask people to evolve all of the time on issues. you need to evolve on this a little bit and try to push them. i actually think what bloomberg's group is doing is actually helping mark begich in the state of alaska. i really do. i think it's, sort of like what we saw with pryor's ad like they're not going to tell me what to do. >> that's what i'm kind of curious about. 90 percent was the figure we're talking about. 90 percent of the people support background checks. how could anybody vote against this? it should be a no-brainer. at some point the issue stops being in terms of how it gets filtered in the political system. almost like tribalism takes place. we're gun state, we're second amendment voters. we being attacked by a liberal mayor in new york city. and you're in alaska. they're standing up to new york city. >> he's running ads saying that all of the time. he's been running them. he's really playing for the middle, more middle of alaska, the people who got him elected aren't real happy with him. there are letters to the editor all of the time saying i'm walked door to door for you, i'm not going do that. people are reacting and being upset and putting this out there's no way in god's green earth saying i'm so mad at mark begich for the gun vote please let me vote for joe miller. no one will do that. >> i've been doing enough mid term election to know what happens. turns outs it drops off and becomes a question who is motivated enough to go out and vote in a mid term where turnout is much less than it is in a presidential year. you don't have -- in places like arkansas, you don't have to have many democrats saying mark pryor turned his back on his values and on my values. on election day, i'm not going go out and vote for the republican. maybe i'll stay home. we don't need those people to result in a loss. it's going to be that close. he can't afford to have progressive democrats or main stream democrats take a look at him -- >> there was a fascinating statistic, you're talking about a turnout. that's why we mentioned in the intro, in the group. you were interested in attacking african-american voters in arkansas. in 2012, look at motivation of the voters, they got 77 percent of african-americans. in arkansas the turnout was only 47%. when you're a democrat trying to win in arkansas. you need not just heavy support you need heavy turnout. the president is closely associated with the push for more gun control. does that hurt mark pryor's standing among african-americans that he's opposing the president, he's a party in washington, where does mark pryor stand among african-americans. what's the enthusiasm? >> this is mid term. african-americans are going to look for issues. they don't have somebody to really bring them out. they're going to look at the issues. arkansas is a rural state and you don't have too many black gun enthusiasts in the state of arkansas. so, mark is going to have to go out and try to win that group, and get them out to vote. that's the main thing in arkansas. getting the people out to vote at mid term. >> that athd is so -- >> and because of -- nra and mayor bloomberg's group, mayor bloomberg put balance in, nra had control in the state of arkansas prior to this. so the mayor's group put more balance into the situation. people are going to look, listen, look close and check people's voting records to see where they stand on different issues and question them during their campaign. >> alec wants to get in right after this. s and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. made with care, for you or your family. see, i knew testosterone could affect sex drive, but not energy or even my mood. that's when i talked with my doctor. he gave me some blood tests... showed it was low t. that's it. it was a number. 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>> i hope it sends a message to democrats. that the nra might not be for you if you've been for them that they will walk away from you. and, you know, democrats who are looking -- the vast majority of democrats voted for the bill which is great. the vast majority of the democrats support the bill which is great. in order to get to 60, we need more of them. we're not going away. we're going to keep making the case. i was exactly right. in the past you have these votes. nra would win and our side of the ledger would walk away with our heads down and we've got the resources to continue the fight. and we're not going away and there are millions of americans who don't want us to go away. they want us to keep making the argument, taking the fight to these folks until we get change. >> if t feels like you need -- talk about not having enough targets for 2014 to make examples. going after a democratic red state where the effect is a left or right wing republican. because you don't have choices. what happens if kelly ayotte changes her mind? this gets through the senate, and you get a vote on it. that opens up to me a whole new world of possibilities for 2014. >> we're going look at house districts whether or not there's a house vote. we're not going to look at democrats in the senate. although there are certainly more democratic targets, we're going to look at republicans in the house, too. there's a bill. we'll see who is cosponsoring that bill and obviously if there's a vote that's a clear indication. >> look. i am confident if we can get to the house there will be 218 votes in the house. there are enough districts in this country, including republican districts where this is an 80/20 or 90/10 issue. we've got to get 60 votes in the senate. and we're on in the house. i think we get 18 votes. to be clear, we're going to look at house targets as well as senate targets. . i really think what the mayor's group has done has shown the nra for what they are, which is this very, very partisan -- i mean, it's not about issues. because if you're a democrat like senator begich and you voted the way the nra wants you to, the most you can hope for is that they don't put out a flyer that say, you know, f minus about you, or endorse whoever is opposing you. you are not going to get any money. you're not going to get any support. maybe you won't get targeted by them. and that's -- that's the best you can hope for with what would be an "a" rating from the nra? that's ridiculous. so i think with the mayor's group has done is really show, look, this is about our issue. we're going to go after you if you're republican, if you're democrat. we're going to go after you if you oppose this measure for us. and i think maybe shifting the conversation like you're talking about, shifting the focus about what this is really about, and i'm pretty sure -- if i was a gun manufacturer, i would have donated to obama, i would have voted for him. because he's made them more money than anybody made them. >> my thanks to arkansas state representative charles armstrong. the biggest figure in the state made an enormous gamble this week i'll explain next. i spent 23 years as a deputy united states marshal. we'd get up early and, and stay up late. there was a lot of running, a lot of fighting. i've been pretty well banged up but the worst pain i've experienced was when i had shingles. i was going through some extremely difficult training, and i couldn't do it. when we were going through pursuit driving, i couldn't put a seat belt on because the pain that would have been caused by the seat belt rubbing against the shingles would have been excruciating. when i went to the clinic, the nurse told me that it was the result of having had chickenpox. i had never heard of shingles prior to that point and i had always been relatively healthy. the rash, the itching, the burning that i experienced on the side of my neck and my shoulder, i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. available out there. i knew devry university would give me the skills that i needed to make one of those tech jobs mine. we teach cutting-edge engineering technology, computer information systems, networking and communications management -- the things that our students need to know in the world today. our country needs more college grads to help fill all the open technology jobs. to help meet that need, here at devry university, we're offering $4 million dollars in tech scholarships for qualified new students. learn more at devry.edu. ♪ and you come from an island, little old rhode island it's famous for you ♪ >> when you think of rhode island, what do you think? the tiniest state. with twice the heart of texas. you maybe you think of the state university mascot, the fighting ram. or you think of coffee milk, sweet, delicious coffee milk. it's coffee syrup, it's milk. long last it's magically united. you can't get it in california, or anywhere else in the world but go to your friendly grosser in cranston, there it is. coffee milk. maybe you don't think of any of this. you're a political dark and think of rhode island as a blue state. very, very blue state, voted for barack obama by 20 points. it voted democratic in nine of the last ten democratic elections and switch to the votes in the reagan landslide it would be ten. here's the oddity. rhode island a state as blue as the ocean off its coast has been led in the past two decades by a string of governors not members of the democratic party but that streak came crashing to a halt this past thursday when governor lincoln chaffy changed his voter registration from independent to democratic. >> i was always looking for a political home and see the democratic governors work on the important issues of the day, i said what were you doing last week. he said we had a budge of democratic governors working on obama care. that's what i want to be doing part of that team making life better for americans. >> this is the second time chavcha chaffee has done something like this. he was a liberal republican, he inherited a senate sheet from his father, john chaffee, another liberal republican. he voted against the bush tax cuts in 1991. he voted again the iraq war. refused to endorse bush for re-election in 2004. said the bush white house was defined by, quote, agenda of ener niesing a far right wing state. made him popular p. chaffee's score was 60 percent when he ran for election. the "r" next to his name was electoral poison. chaffee doesn't like to vote for republicans even republicans it likes so he left the gop in 2007, declared himself an independent and ran for governor in 2010. the big reason he won that race was the president of the united states. chaffee served in the senate with barack obama and then he endorsed him. obama's calling card was to be his post partisan appeal. he was a prominent nondemocrat vouching for oh ba balm ma's ability to reach across the aisle. because of this che chaffee's opponent came looking for a public endorsement from obama, obama said no, he had too much respect for his friend lincoln chaffee. the candidate muttered a memorable line. the president could take his endorsement and shove it. now today chaffee needs president obama even more than he did in 2010 because his first term may be pretty. he may be the least. a 40-point score. this is how to understand lincoln chaffee's latest switch from independent to the democratic party. if chaffee runs for relee election as independent, he's cooked. but, by joining the democrats he gives himself a fighting chance. maybe not a fighting chance but a theoretical chance. there are already a couple of democrats with serious support likely to run in the race. if they do, both of them. there might be an opening for chaffee to sneak by with 35 percent of the vote. enough that he could eke out a win in the primary then lincoln chaffee running for a democratic nominee in a deeply democratic state as a republican. there's also a third party candidate. but we're too far into the weeds for this. for chaffee, it could be opposite of 2006. voters wouldn't like him that much. would they not like him so much that they then vote for republican in with that in mind, listen how closely how chaffee explained his switch this week. >> see president obama come in and doing the things he's doing for the country, that's a reason i want to enthusiastically join the democratic party. >> there it is. that's the real bet he's making. chaffee wants, needs the president to be with him. endorsement in the democratic party would be ideal. neutrality is the bear minimum he's looking for here. the bet by joining the democratic party chaffee makes it easier for obama to help him and harder to refuse it. i issued a statement welcoming my friend linc to the party but that statement did not come with the promise of any real help. this is chaffee's second affiliation change in six years. it may start to look too calculated, a little unseenly like it did when ar lynn specter swi in 2009. >> my change in party will enable me to be reelected. >> arlen, you never explain your calculation outloud. that line was used against him in 2010 and it was devastating. he lost the democratic primary. in one way. it's a demonstration how republicans are evolve. we had conservative democrats in the south. a lost mixing between the parties. that's the past. today liberals are one party and conservatives in another. chaffee took a while to catch up. what his move is about, is survival. joe miller is back in alaska. what it means about other states? that's next. e. ensures support, a breakthrough. and sooner than you'd like. sooner than you'd think. you die from alzheimer's disease. we cure alzheimer's disease. every little click, call or donation adds up to something big. senator mark begich is supposed to be one of the most vulnerable democrats. he was elected to represent alaska. the state only voted for one democratic in history. that was 1964. enter far right, joe miller. you might remember miller as one of the chief symbols of the tea party in 2010. he pulled off one of the biggest shockers in the year. he put at risk for the party what should have an a totally safe seat. he won as a write-in candidate. so it department end up you the hurting them. politico reported milter has filed papers with the federal election commission stating his intent to run for senate again this time for begich's seat next year. there's still a chance a more electable candidate like meade treadwill will get in the race. treadwill said miller would be the best gift mark begich could have gotten. whatever happens in alaska joe miller represents a larger threat for a republican party struggling to recruit main stream swing candidates. joe kraushaar wrote. it's awfully telling that the republican senate candidates have already lined up in many of the deeply conservative states. you see republicans badly wanted to run for the senate because they see him as electable. saying i'm not in a hurry to run for another office. there's also iowa. key to winning that for the senate and another supposedly electable gop prospect tlatham backed off as well. he was probably scared off by a messy primary with steve king a tea party favorite who makes regular headlines with pronouncements but even steve king doesn't want to run. he explained it this way. cannot in good conscience, there's that term again. turn my back on the destiny decisions of congress. back with us at the table we have shannyn moore, alec ma guinness, and we want to bring in pat brady and eljoy williams, political strategist and direct director in 2009. there's a lot of different pieces here that are about the nation. i want to start in alaska. this is perfect to talk about. shannyn, joe miller looks like he's running for the natural. he hasn't said too much about the official launch. he won the nomination last time. should we consider him the favorite for the nomination this time? >> i think people should take it a little more seriously. i think he can win that primary. his race against lisa was really part of this family feud between the palins if you remember, sarah palin won governor. and then she basically funded and pushed joe miller up there in the front to go after lisa. we'll figure out how much that vendetta is still going for her because she does have money. she doesn't have clout but she has money. >> i wonder, too, has there been any shift in the into of the republican party after what happened in 2010 seeing this was a mess, we almost lost a seat. >> there'sen in several coupes that have happened. we've had three different new leaders in the last 14 months, i think. it's been the tea party types. they are the ones that get their people to go. they want to do this caucus thing and the money people in the party, pull all the money and say they're not fund-raising and a new one six months later. they just had a new vice chair they put on who is like a racist. he's a racist against native alaskan people. he was given a commission or appointed last year and had to withdraw his name because of the absolute racism. >> people that aren't familiar. when you say racist against a native alaskan. >> he said we need to cut dental funding to natal alaskans so they can become civilized citizens. he's made all kinds of derogatory statements about them. this is the guy who is the vice chair of their party now. so, the tea party keeps doing these little coups. joe miller gets people excited because it's freedom, steve. he gave one interview. and this is by phone. this is what he said this week when he was interviewed about potentially running for the senate. >> for us it's obama care. that's a huge issue. i think there's a major opportunity given the stand with the irs, to try to abolish that agency. i think americans are now more open to that than ever before. fiscal responsibility, critical. monetary policy. and of course state's right. that is a fundamental. >> lucky guess it was the fox business channel. channen is saying this is what is exciting republican voters, pat. i think we've seen this in a number of republican primaries across the country in 2010, 2012, and 2014 where a message like this, repeal obama care, get rid of the irs, fixation on monetary policy. but this is what is exciting. the republican base -- that seems like it's a problem for your party. >> it certainly was in 2012. we saw what happened with aiken and murdoch and show walsh in my home state. a couple things. i think if you want to call them establishment people recognize if they're going to win, they have to get an organization together. can't just be on name, i.d. and money. you recognize people might pull an election off by getting 38 percent, 39 percent. only way to stop is an organization. i think this is a natural process and a party that had its brains kicked in. we can flash back to 1988 and talk about democrats and dibb rals, what the parties are looking for is a bill clintonlike leader. i was with my buddy and the former iowa chairman watching scott walker deliver his speech to tea party people and his message of courage for the republican party going forward resonates across the board and i think people like that maybe chris christie will uniform republicans and give them good candidates. final point, the tea party to me, the difference, the history of it screaming, about the stimulus package. what we're seeing is scandals everybody hates, irs, potentially benghazi and a.p. so, there are different issues. >> there are some issues about wetter these scandals are resonating across party lines. that could implicate 2014, too. >> much more so than the ability of people to caricature people. one issue type people screaming about one thing. there's a lot of bye partisan anger over some of these scandals. >> there are a lot of question about the irs. the one that sort of jumps out to me when i hear the right fixating on benghazi. >> benghazi, not so much. but the irs cuts to the fundamental core of what people -- >> but then there gets to be a dispute, there's a scandal at at agency of the irs. >> i'm not putting this on obama. >> right. that's the issue of 2014 if republicans try too hard to put this on obama when there's nothing there to put on obama. >> we'll talk about that after this. uy) we should totally do that. 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you look at kyle wright in virginia and other places, you have people riled up to their core on their core beliefs, on political issues, so they participate more. in the republican party what you had, voter apathy is across parties. it doesn't matter. you have people more engaged and being the part right of the party right now and that's why you are sort of seeing more of those candidates pop up. those are people who continue to keep those headlines in the paper. they are going to be active. they are going to come to conventions and elect their candidates and that's what we're really seeing here. to your point, it's going to take someone to sort of bring everybody together and have this messaging on how you can have together the far right and middle of the road republicans and be able to come around some cohesive issues and right now you don't. >> that's exactly what clinton did. there's going to be a moment where one of these guys stands up and says, we want you guys with us, meaning left in this case. we want you with us, respect you, enough of this. we have to get that 36 percent, 38% in the middle. we represent awful america. that's what clinton did so well and what we have to do as republicans. >> and the big risk is the republican who stands up and says that immediately gets cast out as traitor to the cause. >> clinton didn't. >> clinton didn't have to deal with foxnews. >> it was on the left. >> it encourages one of the things walker is talking about. it can be done. it's not easy. >> how can you sit here and sail that's what they need to do when they won't even work across party lines on basic things right now. how can they possibly do that? >> shannon, great question. it's a question we'll pick up on right after this. you have the potential to do more in business. by earning a degree from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to make an impact in your company and take your career to an even greater place. let's get started at capella.edu. hello, from new york, i'm steve kornaki. with us here is shannyn moore, and l. joy williams. i want to check in on the tornadoes. oklahoma city's report receiving 104 patients overnight. severe weather is expected to continue across the midwest today in little rock, chicago and indianapolis. storms have already caused flooding and extensive damage beating 95,000 people without power. for more on the deadly tornadoes in oklahoma. we go live to new york city where janet rode out the storms in the underground tunnel. >> good morning. this is going to turn out to be a major flood event. there's high water in a number of places. we're told the underground parking garage filled with cars has water up to the roof. everyone has to get a first look at things. i think the bigger damage toll is on people's psychi. this community has been through this drill the better part of two weeks. severe weather day after day and yet again yesterday when the warnings came out. some people did not heed them. they were on interstate 40. that's where we had two of those five deaths that you mentioned. as we stand this morning, we're expecting more severe weather this afternoon. so, right now, it's people taking stock of what's happened here and trying to plan for the next day or two hoping we don't have this again. steve. >> nbc's janet shamlian in oklahoma city. >> i hope this is the last this city has to deal with for years. >> picking up where we left off in the end of last hour. shannyn put a question to pat. in case people forget we'll get pat to answer it. >> pat is saying the right needs their own version of clinton and frankly, i mean he's way too far, far left, i think, even now for the democrats where they've been pulled over by the republican party. when you say that, that sounds really great. when you look at what has happened in washington, what is happening in state legislatures across the country and what is sort of fed right now. just say no, just say no to the president, say no to that party over there and you'll hold your ground. that's how you'll show your strength. you're saying we need a leader to do this other thing. who are they going lead? there's nobody on your side that i'm seeing right now. look what happened to chris christie when he was like, well, obama is doing a hell of a job, he's helping me out. people are like traitor. >> i don't agree with you. the 30 state republican governor, 700 new legislatures we elected in 2010, i think we are doing things. i agree there are people on the far right that get way too much attention and don't represent the main stream of the republican party and principles which we represent is primarily economic growth. >> all we're getting is like control bills. >> i agree, completely. put them to bed hopefully forever. put them to bed if they get pregnant we'll tell you what to do. >> if we focus on the issues, economic issue, education issues, national security issues, we do very, very well. i don't necessarily agree this is a do-nothing congress. there have been plans put forward. the president gets engaged if you want to get things done. >> do things to the terms that you want to focus on economics. at the same time we have this pointed outreach. more people have with the change of demographics. here's the issue, you have unemployment rate at 13 percent for african-american males for a long time. yesterday the republican paint doesn't see a way to engage people of color, engage african-american males on that point. democrats aren't doing that either. >> here's an issue at your core. >> senator durbin coming out with a gang strategy to get rid of the gang problem which is primarily affecting african-americans in the city of chicago. bobby rush on the far left had some really nasty things about them doing that. that's an example of bye partisansh partisanship. >> we started this segment with joe miller, joe miller is the core problem for the republican party. and why it's tough and you don't see that many republicans that want to work cooperatively with the president. that doesn't mean surrender just work cooperatively. joe miller represents a strain of thought very prevalent in the republican party. there are plenty of people who don't think like joe miller but plenty who do and get excited. what that means you take republican politicians who don't agree with joe miller and they feel the need to cater to that. they feel if i don't speak the same way joe miller speaks if i don't advocate for the issues, i'll be the next lisa murkowski. it sort of creates a situation, first of all, if i run to for office, i have to go far right. if i win the primary i'll be tarred as a member of the party. if i get elected i have to vote like joe miller because i have to worry about my next republican primary. that's where the dysfunction comes from. >> this is why the whole irs scandal, controversy is sort of a mixed blessing for the republican party. it's a real problem for the white house. at the same time it's fired up the tea party part of the republican party at the very moment when republicans are trying to move beyond the murdoch, aikens, christine o'donnells. here you have the scandal that comes along and completely fires up the tea party and they are being targeted by the irs. there's nothing you can imagine that would make them fired up. you have joe miller saying abolish the irs. you already see it getting overplay and all these other issues that pat talks about and things republicans want to talk about aren't on the agenda. now we're talk irs, irs, irs. there's a risk you see this overplayed beyond the scale of this scandal. >> then you have people who are elected like don young from my state, the only congressman for the entire state of alaska, right, who is dropping words like letback in an interview. yeah, we had some of these, as though it's like what do you say when you're not giving an interview? this wasn't like secret mike. in one respect you're saying they needed to do outreach to people of color, different -- all kinds of different groups, right, instead of just the one percenters. and here's your guy who has been in congress for years. >> if you made that statement i didn't hear it. it's idiotic. no one can clearly think that's a good idea. i think it happened in arkansas not too long ago. aiken in arkansas. joe walsh. kill our party or kill our brand. we can't stand for that. >> we mentioned josh kraucher. he looked at the state of virginia. key state of virginia. we looked at this last week where the republican party nominated the far right ticket where the attorney general is going to run for governor. there were so many inflammatory things said about gays. he also looked at colorado. swing state of colorado used to be a republican state in colorado. big news tom tancredo, a far-right congressman clearing out for republican feel for governor as of yet no viable republican challenges emerged. and you look at a state like colorado. look at virginia. look at iowa. this should be a state where republicans are competing for the senate and republicans failed to attract a top-tier candidate. is this a situation you have republicans that have more pragmatic instincts. they look and say, i'm not going be able to win in the primary. if i win, i'm not going win in the government. looks like they're having issues here. >> running for the senate is difficult. takes money and time, time away from your family. i'm not disagreeing with you, what happened in '12 was bad for us, with the individuals in the tea party not the whole movement. chris christie, what is his approval raiding? 62 percent, 63 percent? 30 sitting republican governors coming up with all kinds of ideas. i think the future is bright. as i said before we're looking for one person at the national level that will bring everybody together like clinton did with the releft. >> i would go one step further. looking for that one person to bring the messaging together. you should look for individuals across the country that stand up and say i want to govern and not be elected and just stand as a role block in the legislature and put forth these extreme social policies that would negate any issues on economics or all of these other issues that seem to be at core of the republican platform. >> my point is who will follow that guy you're talking about? >> here's the example, i'm sorry to reference it. gay marriage, voted, didn't pass late last night. >> it's amazing. >> state democrats -- >> supermajority. that's an obama nation, that's mike mattigan. there's fault on some of these issues, we're not gettingity rye thing done. >> i want to thank shannyn moore and path brady. possibility that one of the most important jobs in america will soon be held by anthony weiner suddenly doesn't look so remote. that's next. ok, i am coming. 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[ crows ] two years ago if you had asked anybody about the next new york city mayoral race they would have told you anthony weiner was a leading contender. there's a policy from 2011 and there is weiner. then he accidently tweeted a private photo. first claimed he was acted but it didn't manner. he was hounded out of office and into political exile. he found work as a consultant made cash and laid low. all the while plotting a comeback something he made official a little over a week ago when he entered the race for mayor. this week he took part in the first debate for a candidate and was already back to his old theatrics. >> this is my first time seeing live fire from in the context of the campaign. if i'm lucky enough to get your vote and wind up being mayor i may have to fight with governor cuomo on things but honestly, he started it. >> so, two years later, where does anthony weiner stand? here's that mayor's poll from 2011 where he had 18 percent in the crowd field and here's the latest mayor's poll released and he's up a point to 19 percent just five points behind christine quinn. a lot has happened in the last two years but on the surface, at least. not much is changed. weiner still looks like a contender. i want to bring in blake zetth. we have new york city deputy mayor howard wolfson and l. joy williams who served on director of bill thompson's came pain as mayor. and he is running again this year. we look at that poll. at the top there, weiner still the top of the field. his negative numbers are a lot higher than they were two years ago but, blake, you wrote a piece this week and you said we might be underestimating, saying anthony weiner is not a serious contender. >> if you look at poll you just mentioned. it's okay to have negative opinions about you when you have a runoff situation where you have five candidates vying to get to that 40 percent. weiner ends up with 40 percent in this primary he will get in the runoff. that's okay to have 40 percent or more think negatively of him. he's got a lot of strengths that people are underestimating. in terms of his support yes he's five points down in that poll but 43 percent of his voters feel strongly. where christine quinn only has 30 percent of strength of people supporting her. it's a very wide open race. no candidate is doing well. he'll have plenty of money. he has $5 million saved up. i'm not saying he should win. i'm not saying he will win but can he win? yeah. there is a path here. >> erroll, how do you think it's going so far? it's been over a week. >> it's been over a week. he got good reaction. in some footage you showed he stood out from the other candidates visually. everybody sat in the panel he stood up every time he responded. everybody else, at least men were wearing jackets and ties and so forth. he didn't do that. he went in shirt sleeves. he stood out that way. he's stood out in other ways. he put out a 64-point package of proposals, some more serious than others but he took the mantel of the guy who was going to be the ideas candidate and talked about an ideas primary. it was exactly the right note for a campaign there were a lot of candidates but hadn't been a lot of policy papers published. he's off to a good start. the reality is he put that story behind him. the scandal story is not the first and only thing the media is asking about. the scandal is not the first and only thing being asked about in the debates. s i'm sure it's not the sure thing being asked for on the campaign trail. he's accomplished what he was supposed to do as far as his lunch which is get the scandal behind him, get in the mix, stand up for the candidates and be the ideas guy. check, check, check for the first week, pretty good. >> i think errol's point how he separated himself from the other candidates. we had all of the candidates in for about a year and clearly there's no strong -- we see high numbers for the speaker. people don't have a clear view because we still have 23%, 24% still undecided. people -- all of the candidates that are in. their politics are some of the same. issues are some of the same. there might be issues here and there but there's no clear difference on some of these candidates maybe on minor issues. with weiner it's different. he's saying i believe this. he's differentiating himself between the other candidates. here's the tension that voters have to latch on to. i can compare him to the other candidate. i know clearly what he believes, what issues he stands on and who he is which is different from the other candidates in the race. >> the other thing about weiner, she's a showman. to me, the important thing to know in college he thought about being a tv weatherman. but, howard, this is maybe one of those situations where you have a guy who has these sort of impeccable showman's skills coming up against a field, really, we talk about christine quinn, bill thompson, they haven't really inspire anybody. there's an opening for somebody who can be a performer. >> to use the weather mann, i think it's still a little cloudy for him and his chances. everything said that, i agree of some of what was said. he does have two things going for him. one, new yorkers like a candidate with moxy. this is still a industcity thats street theater. he has the ability to perform at that level. the second thing, for a long time the campaign has kind of devolved to a place where the candidates from one to a special interest forum and repeat the nostrums by whoever group told them to repeat them. weiner has some ability to sort of stiff arm some traditional special interest groups and be a little free with his ideas. you've seen a little bit of that so far. i think that could help him. >> that gets to an interesting point that i want to pick up in a minute. we think nationally of anthony weiner of the liberal hero of the early teens or whatever we call them but his roots was more of a conservative democrat and may return to those roots which is interesting. for people who know him nationally to watch. we'll talk about that after this. make a wish! i wish we could lie here forever. i wish this test drive was over, so we could head back to the dealership. 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wheat the core of anthony wiener? >> that is his core. let's not be too glib about it. the reality about it, you have to put together coalition, the coalition he's putting together and returning to is very much like you're talking about. working class people. the son of a schoolteacher and attorney. that's not something that's fake. on the other hand there are a lot of people who don't need so much from government but want people to battle on social issues on sorry larger national issues, so he was appealing to them as well. that was the coalition that he was working on. that was the coalition that he didn't run in 2005. he didn't make it as mayor but he was trying to put it together then. he made an attempt in 2009 and is trying again. it's a reasonable logical thing to do. was it possible to hold it together? that was always an open question. when he tried it in 2005 it didn't work so well. >> you also have to look at new york city voters, too. you have the folks that are together on progressive issues, and then you have other outer bore oh folks and other business interests also that are looking for -- more to the right, a candidate from this. so he's able to push that way, because there is a pocket of votes that you can get from there. when all the votes are going everywhere. five different way, unions are going five dave ways, there is an opening there and you need to identify votes all across the city. our turnout rate has been declining over the past ten years ingenious well. now you have -- yes, he has the scandal that you have behind him. people have very strong views on him. will that push people to actually come out to the polls and particularly you do two weeks after that the runoff, you need people to go out to the poms as well. >> there's that tension, i remembered it a couple years ago. an issue here. hopefully we got it the ground zero mosque and the height of the controversy over that. mayor bloomberg gave a very moving speech about it where he said any group should have a right to build this. and i remember, the contrast between weiner and this emage he had nationally, he would say anything, fear of nothing, raving on the house floor. when that issue came up he ducked it and he wouldn't talk about it or say anything publicly. it showed sort of being the liberal hero and going after liberal votes and still appealing to that working class base. i wonder, howard, can that coalition be put together? is that possible? >> errol is right in that he had this reputation that he deserved for being a tribune of the outer borough middle class. in '05 that was his message. i think he ran a good race, came out of nowhere in the closing weeks to jump into a run-off. he was unknown and i think he honed in on a very strong message in '05. there was a tension between that outer borough guy, as he was in the district and the guy, as blake said, who would go down to the floor of the house and rail against the republicans. call me cynical, he made a fairly calculated decision that he was going try to add to that constituency as you point out by picking the issue of health care, by identifying the issue of single payer, by going on cable television networks like this and fox and being the tribune of single payer health care in the congress to peel off or make himself more attractive to upper west side, upper east side democrats who might not have been interested in the outer borough ethnic candidate. for a while it was somewhat successful. you would find people on the upper west side who are msnbc watchers who say i really like this guy. you say well, you know, he's kind of this middle class tribune also. you say i don't know that part of him. yes, for a while it was a very smart strategy of putting togethern squ quencies around many issues, whether he'll put those coalitions together. call me a little skeptical. i'm dubious, he's out there, working hard i'm sure he's up have shaking hands. no one will shake him. >> maybe john lew. >> i was talking to a number of people about what is the strategy, what is the logic, you kind of get the sense this is what he does. he's going to be miserable if there's a mayor's campaign and he's not in it. >> this is a large city. in '05 my wife and i saw him successive weekends prior to the primary shaking hands. when you see mayoral candidates shaking hands, you know that guy is up at 4:00 in the morning. >> that also means you have no life if you're spending your weekend with political candidates. i'm guilty as much as anybody. >> maggie wrote that the new anthony weiner is the same as the old anthony weiner. we have interesting documents we uncovered in the last week about the old anthony weiner. we have these documents, we want to show them. we'll do that after this. we all have one. that perfect spot. a special place we go to smooth out the ripples of the day. it might be off a dock or on a boat. wherever it may be, casting a line in the clear, fresh waters of michigan lets us leave anything weighing us down back on shore. our perfect spot is calling. our perfect spot is pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. kids are like sponges. they soak up everything. especially when it comes to what you say and do. so lead by example and respect others. you won't let prejudice into your home. the more you know. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! 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[splash!] this is going to take a minute but i think it's worth it. so bear with me. i think there's some really fascinating stuff here. we talked about this a little on the show a few weeks ago. it's sort of an episode from the formative campaign experience of anthony weiner over 20 years ago his first race, he was 26, 27 years old running for city council of new york. if he can win he would be on his way. you can chart the rise from there. if he hadn't run the race i don't know where his career would have taken him. if he hadn't won, he had three different opponents. there were all these tensions between the jewish and black neighborhoods in crown heights. and a couple weeks later was democratic primary. he was running in the ed koch white ethnic district. he played off those tensions in a critical moment in the campaign with a flyer that linked him to david dinkins, first black mayor of new york, jesse jackson, and we found the flyer, i don't know if this had been seen in a while. this was out in '91. we found the flyer, our producer tracked it down. this say couple weeks after crown heights going to the white ethnic neighborhoods. david dinkins and jesse jackson want you to vote for adele cohen. this was an anonymous flyer. it did not come out that anthony weiner had done this. then this is -- the candidates of david dinkins, jesse jackson coalition. who is adele cohen? the coalition endorsed adele cohen. she agrees with the dinkins/jackson agenda. do you? that's a debt that we'll have to pay for. this is anthony weiner, this is what he did to get his first job in politics. i think the margin was 195 votes in that race. interestingly, after that race, as soon as it was over, he wrote a handwritten note to adele cohen that we got this week. we put that up on the screen. this is amaying. i'll talk about it in a minute. he said dear adele. although the final numbers are still inconclusive. one thing is sure i'm sorry for my actions in the final days of the campaign. the mailing i did was wrong headed and the manner was plain dumb. i recorrect the harm it did. my inexperience and feverish tempo is explanation but not excuse. i made a mistake but i have to live with it. i hope you do as well. i hope in time you have the opportunity to redeem myself to you and others rightly angry with me. sincere sincerely, anthony weiner. p.s. i will be calling next week to speak to you in person. we put a call out to adele cohen. she's still around. she said did you ever get that phone call or meeting with anthony weiner? she said she didn't remember it. there was no meeting. she said if it had happened would you remember it, she said absolutely. we talked to anthony weiner's campaign, we said hey, you said you'd meet with her and never did. their statement is anthony sent miscohen m ms. cohen a note of apology. he saw her many times but department meet with her. >> this is something about more than just one campaign for city council. this is about ruthless calculation and to me, manipulation when you look at a letter like this. this is a guy who knew exactly what he was doing, he knew exactly how he was doing it. it was an anonymous nailing a couple we weeks after crown heights that fanned these tensions. he knew it as he did it. you can see the calculations that say hey, i still have to live with adele cohen, she's still a politician, better try to make friends. he tent this letter pouring his soul out, never follows up on it. if you ask anthony weiner, this is not the anthony weiner we got. he's not pouring his heart out saying i made a mistake he wants to forget about it. >> we wrote about this at salon.com. anthony weiner has not always been a liberal lion. there's some consistency to this persona he's calculated over the years but that one or two years he was kind of a liberal lion and people who watch this network should like him and know that's not who he has been or is necessarily now. in this campaign he's been sort of tacking to the right. when i mentioned this incident in that story, he wrote back to me right away. he e-mailed me, i got the e-mails right here. he said this is completely unfair you're bringing this up. you made it up. it wasn't flyer posters, it was flyers and i said in the story. this is even better. i said in the story, that he lynched his opponents to african-american figures unpopular in the district, meaning jesse jackson, david dinkins, he said that's untrue. that's not fair to refer to them as unpopular african-american figures in that district. errol you were living there in the time. we talk to this. these were not popular people there. >> the crown heights riot was a disaster on every level. there's been nothing like it really anywhere in the country. it was a race riot. people died. it was serious stuff. this happened right after it. david din kins was not just unpopular. this arguably was the event that led to him being kicked out of office two years later. it's not as if this was just, oh, a slip of the tongue, something like that. the jesse jackson thing was unfair. as adele said she never met jesse jackson. she's not part of some jesse jackson/david dinkins coalition. it was false and sent in the end of the campaign when there was no chance to respond. even in brooklyn politics you're not supposed to do that. he can now say with some justice that was 22 years ago, i'm anthony weiner. when the voters have to make up their mind. it's interesting going back in time. you had to have been there in one level to have seen jews on one side. blacks on the other, flinging rocks. it's something you almost never see anymore. the fact that a political campaign then tried to sort of ride on that and used it successfully, is going to be very troubling to people who are here. on the other hand it's 22 years later. a lot of people say, that was the old anthony weiner. i like that guy. >> as mentioned in the last segment, too, they said look, i've seen him for a week and a half. this guy was no different. talking about attrition, talking about rethinking his life. same guy now, it makes me wonder. he poured his heart out here. did this change him in a fundamental way. did the experience he had in any fundamental way? 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not utter, but rather udder as in what a cow has. we all make typos so let's stop milking this typo and mooove on. a japanese blogger has spotted what appears to be a lizard or some kind of rodent in the background of a photo taken by the mars curiosity rover. he spotted the creature or it might be a rock in march but it was posted on u ufosightingsdaily.com. we know this is not the first time. back in 1991 a california man said a lava formation resembled none other than senator ted kennedy. maybe you see it there. i want to find out what my guests know that they didn't know when the week began. let's start with you, blake. >> so ted cruz visited the new york state republican party this week and announced that there's a great raft of young 40-something leaders who are very conservative and transformational in the party. rand paul, marco rubio, paul ryan, himself. he kind of has a point. the question for democrats and liberals is who are their young 40-something leaders that are in positions of national importance right now? i think the question is a tricky one for democrats and liberals, because i really think that the bench is not as strong as the conservatives are right now. >> we now know that the median house fleiss san francisco is $1 million. half of the homes are going for $1 million or more. the economists are saying it is not a return of the housing bubble, although it will do until the bubble does start to inflate. what happens apparently is there's lots and lots of money from the silicon valley billionaires and millionaires, buyi buying up all of the available homes. it's simply supply and demand. on the other hand, there's also a lot of flipping going on. when the homes are bought and then flipped, the average profit is upwards of 20%. so i think san francisco may end up displacing new york as the capital of income and wealth inequality in america if that trend continues. whether it's a good thing or bad thing or return of the bubble remains to be seen. >> howard. >> 25,000 new yorkers have signed up for city bike, which is our new bike share program. the racks are all over manhattan. they're in brooklyn, they're in queens. on monday new yorkers who have not signed up for the original piece can go out and use day passes. they can use their credit cards. you don't have to sign up for a yearly membership in order to use the bikes starting on monday and we hope that as many new yorkers and tourists use them as possible, safely and efficiently. >> i know the justice department has been given a lot of heat recently and eric holder, but something that they are doing good is that they have been suing school districts that have evidence of school-to-prison pipeline. just this week the judge approved this consent in a school district in mississippi that will take out the police from arresting students for minor infractions like, you know, dress code. kids were being arrested for dress code or walking in the hallways when they're not supposed to be. so those of us who know there's been a real school-to-prison pipeline for some time, now we have evidence of it and we have school districts being taken to court to try to address those things. >> i'll put a plug in by the way for that bike share program. i'm just waiting for the temperature to drop a little, like 85 before i use it. my thanks to blake, errol lewis, howard wilson and l. joy williams. thank you for joining us. join us tomorrow, sunday morning, where i'll have jeremy skahill and norm ornstein on obama's battle to put judges on the bench. coming up next is melissa harris-perry. the heroics of women at fox news and the loss of lust. a new pill designed to bring back a woman's sex drive could be coming back to market soon, that is if it doesn't work too well. thanks for getting up. that i needed to make one of those tech jobs mine. we teach cutting-edge engineering technology, computer information systems, networking and communications management -- the things that our students need to know in the world today. our country needs more college grads to help fill all the open technology jobs. to help meet that need, here at devry university, we're offering $4 million dollars in tech scholarships for qualified new students. learn more at devry.edu. lets you connect up to 25 devices on one easy to manage plan. that means your smartphone, her blackberry, his laptop, mark's smartphone but i'm still on vacation. still on the plan. nice! so is his tablet, that guy's hotspot, the intern's tablet-- the intern gets a tablet? 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