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Very wealthy ukrainian. Are you sure they did that . Are you sure they gave it to ukraine . Well, thats what the word is. Thats what the word is. Plus, new comments from the intelligence and Judiciary Committees ahead of the house vote to impeach President Trump this week. Up with me is a. Scott bolden, white collar defense attorney and former chair of the national bar association. David corn, Washington Bureau chief for mother jones and msnbc contributor. Matt lopez, for business insider. And dana, columnist for the Washington Post writing the impeachment diary for the post these past few weeks. We expect the house of representatives to vote on those two articles of impeachment. Ahead of that, there is politics at play. Nbc news learned that congressman jeff van drew, one of two democratic lawmakers is expected to leave the Democratic Party. Impeachment is one reason. Another is polling. Internal polls showed he was highly unlikely to win reelection as a democrat. The Washington Post shows that he met with President Trump on friday at the white house. He gave the congressman his blessing. He seemed surprised in a retweet last night. The other democrat who opposed the inquiry is Colin Peterson of minnesota. A spokesman tells my colleagues he is Still Deciding if he will be a yea or nay this week. Lets discuss the curious ace of the monk man from southern part of new jersey. What do you make of this and how does this change the political arguments as we move to wednesday . I dont think it changes the argument much at all. I mean, here is a guy who was facing very likely defeat in a democratic primary. Essentially trying to save his seat, to save his political soul. But sacrificed whatever principle he may have. I dont even with assurances from President Trump, its not clear how he gets through a republican primary. This is a guy who has voted for the entire democratic agenda so far. And even if he is able to in the shortterm, he will surely not be accepted by the republicans in the long term without a wholesale conversion. I mean, i think its a little bit unfortunate for the democrats there in essence behaving like republicans and imposing purity tests and drumming people out if theyre not toeing the party line. That got republicans into the mess theyre in right now. And thats why there are so few republicans in democratic seats. They all just lost their seats. Hopefully democrats will not follow that same path. Matt lopez, lets talk about what this means for the press. A potential conversion. The congressman went to kiss the ring of the president. Hes faining surprise. As so many before him have come to kiss the ring. I think nancy pelosi knows how to count. It reminds me of that parable in the body, the little lost lamb. You find the one lamb. Or the woman who loses one coin and she goes to find the one coin. Nancy is not going to find the one coin. She knows how to count votes. Go on, kiss the ring, humiliate yourself. Donald trumps friends do generally make out well. He never betrays them. So have fun. Good luck. You see the visual there . How do you start that conversation in the oval office . This democrat on your knees. Listen, he walks in, mr. President , they exchange pleasantries. How do you start that conversation when the ultimate end is will you endorse me if i make this move . It wont have an affect on the impeachment . You have giant hands, sir. I enjoyed my stay at the trump hotel. If you dont say that, nothing will happen. One vote out of 435 votes. I agree with dana, i dont think it makes any different in politics. I dont think he was drummed out. He is choosing to go. As you refer to, people who sign up with trump in the end dont tend to do too well. He should have a conversation with paul manafort, roger stone, michael cohen. How many republicans now are retiring rather than going through another election . Dozens. He should talk to those people. Dana go ahead here, scott. Theres Something Else going on here. Sure. In my brief history of this life of mine, when you have these conversions, when you switch parties for political survival, they tend not to work. If you look at arlen spectrsp. You represent this district or what have you, hes in no mans land. He has three republican challengers who have been life long republicans, as dana said. He has to find a place. I dont know if he has a place on the democratic side. Maybe he should convert to the independent. He becomes the man of the hour for just an hour. You wrote the impeachment diary the last few weeks. Probably too much time. Too much time. But who are you watching here . I mentioned eight mod rats on the fence. Who is going to be voting for this and who is not going to be . They are adamant theyre not whipping votes ahead of this vote on wednesday. No. Thats as it should be. Van drew situation probably says to the other moderates, if you think youre going to yeah, its a tough vote. If you think you will save your hide by voting for impeachment, maybe you will get a primary challenge. But at the very least, the democratic activist that you need to be out knocking on doors for you will not be interested. Setting aside the morality of the thing as a sheer political calculation they are saying, im going to take a hit either way. I might as well just follow my conscience. And i expect the half dozen were talking about, not a lot of their consciences would dictate they would like to defend donald trump. You have a piece in mother jones, theres not a lot of breath being put toward wednesday. Is that conversation done now . As they advance from the committee to the house floor for the full vote, be it from the Mueller Report, those who havent testified yet because of all the liam wranglingswranglinn the water . I think as part of the democratic strategy, its done with. They have decided to go with with a narrow, targeted impeachment. I was telling you earlier to misquote Donald Rumsfeld you go to war with the impeachment you have. Because they didnt spend the earlier part of the year i think fully investigating or, more importantly, conveying to the public, the hearings. They counted too much on mueller himself and the report and the promise of revived Russian Investigation never came into being. Just a few two months ago, danas fine newspaper, the Washington Post reported that trump, when he met with russian officials in may of 2017 in the oval office, said he was unconcerned with the russian attack. Unconcerned. To me that in itself would be an Impeachable Offense if confirmed. Telling a foreign adversary, i dont care that you attacked us. A lot of things that could have been impeachable that members of congress and individuals talked about. But they didnt do it in a systematic way. So now they are left with the ukraine scandal, which i believe is justifiable. But there are other ways they could have gone. Nanette, what does it tell you about what will happen when it moves to the house floor or the senate, the way the markups in hearings were conducted. Absurd to 11. Starting at 11. And Lindsey Graham will keep turning it up and up and up. I am going to take a lot of antacids. I want to know the senate, will they come in wearing maga hats for the trial . We have a bottle of trump vodka, trump water. He is saying i have already made up my mind. They all have to take an oath saying they will be impartial. I know democrats say trump is guilty. But i think you need to go through the courtesy of the constitution of saying i support trump, i like him, i play golf with him, but i will try to be impartial as i consider the evidence. And theyre not even bothering to do that. Mcconnell of course has joined the trump defense. I look forward to mitt romneys eventual speech about how what the president did is wrong. After the trial concludes. We can all stand in the corner and face the wall for a few days. And then go back to being president. He said it on sean hannity and to reporters after that. What do you make of what he said about this trial and the pretense of any sort of fairness now gone . Well, it is gone. They dont believe there has to be fairness or impartiality. Even though the oath, they know they have to take it as the jury on this thing. It is about partisanship. They are beating their chests about how its not going to be impartial pause they have such disdain for the numbers, for the impeachment articles. The other thing that is interesting about the articles is there are only two impeachment articles because the third one that you could have put in there are the obstruction of Justice Charges under the Mueller Report. That was decided the democrats decided not to do that for one reason. There may have been others, but there is one reason. That is nancy pelosi, which she has to do for the last year or two, protect her moderate majority members in swing districts, if you will. So they did not want to add Mueller Report or obstruction of justice, the 15 or 17 instances. But she has the votes for the impeachment. She will put it on the senate and say we have done our jobs. All right. We will see what happens. Appreciate your time on this sunday, as always. Still ahead on up, the 2020 candidate taking on the dnc with the help of eight of his competitors. First a oneoff surveillance error or systemic flaw, the debate over fisa from our friends at meet the press in the can the countyto count project. Do we owe ukraine money . Were we gifting ukraine money . Were we lending ukraine money . Who gives money without some kind of i dont want to call it quid pro quo but some kind of, here, but, hey, while im giving you this, i heard about a problem back then. 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We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. We found that investigators failed to meet their basic obligations of especially suring that the fisa applications were scrupulously accurate. We identified significant inaccuracy and omissions. Seven in the first and a total of 17 by the final renewal application. This is up. Im david gura. I want to take a look at that are report by Michael Horowitz. It highlights serious issues with the way the fbi surveilled carter page, Something Senate republicans have seized on. Gop lawmakers used a hearing to demand the fisa court be reform. Democrats are skeptical, including ron wyden, a privacy advocate. Why after years of blocking bipartisan reforms are Senior Republicans suddenly interested in it . If they actually care about these abuses, they will stop stonewalling and join forces with us working on badly needed reforms. Matt miller is an msnbc contributor. Let me ask you about the broad takeaway. We heard from Michael Horowitz at the top. My sense is there is a bar for the applications. Its a low bar. Fbi met them. If you want to reform that, thats up to congress to do. The ball is in congresss court. What is your sense of appetite for that in light of what you heard this week during the hearing and what ron wyden and others have been saying now . Other issues are at play. First is the issue that Mike Horowitz uncovered with serious mistakes that went into the preparation of this for a warrant for carter page. And i think there is an open question whether that was a onefaceoff or a systemic problem at the fbi. We dont know the answer to that. Horowitz said he will conduct an audit. When we see the results we will know if there needs to be continued reforms to that piece of fisa pertaining to warrants. It has not been about reforming the warranted activity under fisa. It has been a separate program where the fbi is able to get the emails or access to phone calls of americans without using a warrant. It is called section 702. That is a separate topic and really a separate debate than what happened to carter page where the fbi did go get a warrant. I have to say it has been ironic watching the Republican Party the last three years of investigations into trump and some of his associates rediscover Civil Liberties reform and justice reform. You saw it not just with carter page but paul manafort, michael cohen, roger stone when he was arrested early in the morning. Law enforcement techniques that have been used for years against defendants have been controversial. Those were different than what was uncovered in this report but it is worth noting. David, where do we go from here . Michael horowitz wants to conduct this audit. Durham, u. S. Attorney, working on whatever he will produce at the end, his analysis of these matters as well. What does that look like . What kind of change do you think we will see . It is not targeted on the fisa mistakes that were made. And its you know, i can answer the question. I know why republicans are focusing on the fisa violations this time. Because they dont want to talk about the other part of the report, which is the fbi was fully, fully, fully justified in opening the treasurerussia investigation in july. It had nothing to do with the steele dossier. It came about through legitimate reasons. There were more contacts and contact points between the Trump Campaign and russia while russia was attacking the United States. They dont want to talk about that because the central elements of the scandal is that russia attacked. It had an bacteria on the electi impact on the election. It helped trump. They never wanted to face that. That is something they have not fully conveyed. Its all in the report. And i think the durham investigation is supposed to come out and challenge that because thats not the finding that bill barr wants. He wants it to be that the fbi investigation was illegitimate. Barr is trying to undermine his own department by sicking durham on the fbi because he didnt like the findings of michael holmes. They went to durham and durham could not challenge the findings of the horowitz report. He did put out a statement afterwards. It seemed he challenged it. It is probably on very narrow grounds and not what barr wants. I will accept that from the amendment. Let me tell you what we are not talking about that we ought to be talking about. As a former prosecutor, the police and others, fbi, submit for warrants all the time to judges. Not fisa court but federal judges and state judges. And the judges and the courts have to rely unilaterally on these applications. It is not like there is a due process at this point, right . Now, mistakes are made all the time. The only reason youre hearing about these 15 or 17 mistakes that the horowitz figured out is because the light has been shined on them, right . Its not a perfect process. But if you look at the mistakes that were made, these were made by fbi either lawyers or Law Enforcement people working. And so the challenge of reforming fisa court, you may have that other bucket that says about transparency. But what you really need to do is that these fbi individuals who made these mistakes need to be retrained on an annual basis if you will. They made mistakes. It wasnt politically motivated. They just made mistakes. They need more supervisors, maybe an independent review. They need to be trained on what they need matt miller, i will put up a tweet from the president about christopher wray. I dont know what report he was reading but it sure wasnt the one given to me. With that kind of attitude he will never be able to fix the fbi, which is badly broken despite having some of the greatest men and women working there. A variation on a theme we have heard from the president before. But do a little psycho analysis if you would. What is he thinking as he reads a tweet like that and faces the predicament. Checking his 401 k . Im sure hes not surprised. The president expects everyone that works in Law Enforcement, independent Law Enforcement where you are supposed to carry out your duties without fear or favor and political bias, he wants them to only be loyal to him. Thats what he has gone from the attorney general. He wanted that all along throughout his administration. He finally got it with bill barr. He is very disa pointed and frustrated. Chris wray needs to keep doing his job, keep protecting the men and women from the fbi. Thats tough when you have the president and the attorney general attacking him. Its a dangerous place for him to be. The president is right about one thing. He didnt read the report. He asked what he was looking at. Wray was looking at his 15year appointment when he got that tweet. Versus barr who serves at the pleasure quickly here, david. Donald trump is running a pretty corrupt regime. If youre now working in the fbi and youre tasked to do anything for the Justice Department and you need a fisa warrant, youre going to go through that knowing bill barr is going to come after you if you try to do anything involving trump or his political cronies. They are killing that prospect. Matt miller, thank you very much. As always. A counterimpeachment narrative. Trade is a part of that. We will dive into the president s most consequential win this week, progress on the new nafta. Did democrats give too much too soon . O soon great riches will find you when Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance, so you only pay for what you need. Wow. Thanks, zoltar. How can i ever repay you . 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This week there was also progress on the successor to nafta, an agreement announced in the middle of the impeachment process. President trump is trying to create a counterimpeachment narrative. They are holding up they are not wholly focused on impeachment. Congress just kicked trumps trade deal in the teeth for all the right reasons. Where are we at the end of this week . Were kind of where we started. I dont want to confuse anyone. I said that congress kicked the trade deal in the teeth because of the hong kong bills that were passed. The protests. The house and in the senate. The hit the third rail of chinese politics. Those two bills ensured there would be no phase two. Despite what he just said . There will be no phase two. I dont know how much the chinese are going to buy. He doesnt know how much the chinese are going to buy. We do know if they buy too much they can mess with ways they dont want to with their economy, which is why they refuse to put a number on it. They wouldnt do it in their own press conference. And i sincerely doubt they are doing it in meetings with the white house. Now, it is sad that, you know, the people who are sad about progress on usmca are senate republicans. They feel they were left out of the process. But pharma is also sad about it. And so i consider that a victory for everyone else, normal people who enjoy just seeing work get done. The hong kong and gen bills were passed without Mitch Mcconnell. I was talking to a Senate Source the other day. The senate has become a donothing place. It used to be the greatest deliberative body in the world. And they are complaining that the president got legislation passed. They are complaining about usmca, about getting work done. So it is shocking to me that we are even talking about the china trade deal. The president s victory, which was pathetic. And he is touting that. When he actually did get something done, something actually, you know, that required some work, his own party is complaining about it. The president s head is completely in the wrong place. It is on farm goods that the chinese have not even promised to buy. And he is touting this win while the rest of his party is complaining about actually getting work done. We live in a completely topsyturvy world. Isnt the issue that he started a trade war and now there is a ceasefire. And he is claiming that as a win. Right . We dont even know we dont know so were not even back where to where we were. You know what, jared is on it. Scott, you brought up the mod rats a moment ago. This was, in a way, good news for the moderate democrats, as i said at the top. They have something, the usmca agreement, something they can go back to their constituents with. They can say we worked with the president and blah, blah, blah. Emphasis on that. And i voted to impeach the same week. But at the same time it does give them some cover because the worse Case Scenario for the democrats next year is that even if they win the white house, if they win, they still cannot afford to lose the house. They want to pick up seats in the senate. Under some scenarios they might be able to control all three houses. I think nancy pelosi has done a great job of trying to protect the moderates to the extent she can. Put up this quote if you would by david fickland. Best line this whole week. Its a relief when the nation decides to stop punching itself in the face. How much better if it hadnt started though. They are trading barbs over transparency. The clashes between Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg continues. Eth warren and Pete Buttigieg continues. [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi Pressure Cooker, the best of pressure cooking and air frying now in one pot, and with tendercrisp technology, you can cook foods that are crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside. 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Two candidates have gone back and forth the last few weeks on taxes, consulting work. And im curious what we have learned as a result. David corn, ill start with you. This debate for a time. Should they be focused on fighting amongst themselves or fighting President Trump looking ahead to the general election . They have made these demands. Each has a seeded to them. Now we are better for it. Well, i think thats right. I think the criticisms of Pete Buttigieg were particularly justified in terms of transparency, talking about who hes getting money from. These are the issues that you want to raise against donald trump, right . Tax returns and so on. And i thought he was very prickly about it and begrudgingly got to the right place. The larger point is i know a lot of democrats watching say, you know, they dont want to see candidates attacking one another. Its not good in the long run. A lot of general election voters are not paying attention yet. As you get closer to the primaries, for the guys to try to find any points and differences to motivate people in iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, nevada. The only person who doesnt care about that is Mike Bloomberg because he is he has the largest advertising buy i believe in the history of the known universe. Since they started writing, no one has spent as much money on politics in terms of ads. My question to what we have learned, and david is alluding to this, we know what his client list is. 113 individuals and couples who have given all of this money. Where are we as a result of getting all of that . Nowhere. And we have learned nothing. I must tell you this is inside baseball stuff. Those who are loyal to mayor pete and those who are loyal to senator warren are going to still be loyal to them. And the average voter on the street, im a former party chair, were want to connect with who they support whether its the president , local council member. Two, they want to know how that connection or support is going to affect their daytoday life. Whether its education, health care, criminal justice. Things they deal with on a daytoday basis. This is all interesting and great fodder and one upmanship. But the people who are voting arent going to understand what a bundler is. I think i think. I may be a bundler. People are starting to worry about how this whole sausage is made. We lived through 2016 where it was made in the same way it was made before, and it came out weird. Those are Good Government types who support warren, mayor pete. Will that make you decide whether you vote for them or not in the end . We are starting to reconsider our institutions, the way we do things. I dont think it will necessarily make you change your mind. But it is not illegal either its not illegal either. We are trying to change the standard of what the party believes is the right thing to do. The values of the party, the values of transparency and the kind of background we want our politicians and our candidates to have. David, what about the all they care about is winning. These politicians or candidates. And voters care about winning too. This is way above them. Most voters, not all. I think if you look at parts of the party and the energy. There is a difference between on all parties. Where the energy comes from the party and where the massive votes are. It is left of center where its aoc, grassroots. And the ideas of transforming politics is appealing to a lot of democratic primary voters. Why is biden leading in all polls, the moderate . Well, he, too, tries to talk up reform. He is still not in a majority position. He is leading with a quarter of the votes. The other votes are sort of being divied up. Exactly. Up against trump, the cronyism of trump, it is important for the candidates. This is part of Elizabeth Warrens whole pitch. So this is what she is selling. And while it may not be the decisive vote for issue for voters, it is mart of who she is and why she is running. I agree with you. But none of that is dispositive whether they will get more votes. Whether its the primary or the general against President Trump. You have it now in the crucible of pete versus Elizabeth Warren. Does it persist . As you talk about reevaluating constituti institutions . Will we get it now and Going Forward as a result . I dont know. But the uglier the things look on the gop side is the more it will make democrats want to look cleaner and more transparent in opposition. Look, we havent figured out what egor and lev parnas were doing. They were handing out sacks of money to the gop. Let me tell you i dont have all day. Just this one segment. But one problem is we dont dig, we dont dig into what is a bunch of lousy, dirty, russian money sloshing around in the gop. We dont have money enough to dig into it. The problem with the democrats, my beloved party, they want to win the debate on everything. And they want to win it the right way. This is survival, though. All they want to do is win. They dont care how they look. Democrats care how they look. The election is so vitally important, all resources, all focus, laserlike, ought to be on the white house for the sake of this country. And it will be. Being good or Good Government or rer forms, important. But not dispositive. Somebody has to get the trust of the American People back at some point in the future. People dont trust politicians, though. To get to your point, this is a primary. You look at every primary and it is the candidates differentiating themselves and making the case that they want best go up against the other side. Actually, how Pete Buttigieg responds to challenges is important. Hes had other challenges. So actually the nature of it is important. But also the form of it is important. He is being challenged on a core democratic issue, which is Good Government, accountability, transparency. If he cant respond well to that with messaging, that shows, hey, maybe hes not the best candidate. Important but not dispositive. Again, important. But that is not going to win him the nomination. Well leave it there. And another thing democrats care how they look. I see your boutonniere. President trump making history for how many lies and misrepresentations hes made since he took office. Close to 15,000. The biggest pinocchios of 2019, next. Os of 2019, next for the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. Itheres my career. s more to me than hiv. My cause. And creating my dream home. Im a work in progress. So much goes into who i am. Hiv medicine is one part of it. Prescription dovato is for adults who are starting hiv1 treatment and who arent resistant to either of the medicines dolutegravir or lamivudine. 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I have the alltime record for republicans. Dnc server is in ukraine pause of a ukrainian company. A few of the over 14,000 false statements or flatout lies donald trump has hold throughout his presidency. The Washington Post believes it will push past 15,000 next week. They are the biggest pinocchios. He made the list seven times. David corn, ill start with you on the marquis pinocchio. Gepettos prized possession led to this investigation. Thats what he had to say the last few months. Trump has given pinocchio a bad name, ive got to say. I dont know how you came up with 13 over the years. And i feel sorry for the other politicians on the list who may have told two lies the whole year and they are on the list. The cherry tree versus the orchard, i suppose. But the ukraine this is part of the ukraine scandal. Trumps pursuit of a crazy, be bunked Conspiracy Theory that the russians did not hack the dnc, that it hacked itself or the ukrainians hacked it or helped it. Thats the hoax. And when i read the transcript that came out, that he wants the first favor he asked for of president zelensky. I need your help to find out about the server. And he had been told it was wrong. Then i realized he really does believe this stuff. And the most scary thing about the ukraine scandal for any american that trump believes this. So maybe its not even a lie. He believes it and hes ladling it out for senators john kennedy and ted cruz who are all supping from the same sauce. His friends told him and he is trained to believe lies that service him. And it lets russia totally off the hook. It means there is no ill legitimacy to his presidency, no russian involve. Allpurpose narrative. I cant believe none of the lie ladies, no kellyanne conway, stephanie grisham. I was disgusted by her laws that Obama Staffers left notes to Trump Administration staffers. That is a disgusting lie meant to divide americans for absolutely no reason. Like when jim jordan was screaming how liberals hate conservatives during the impeachment hearings. It is stop telling these unnecessary negative, nasty, poisonous. What is wrong with you people . Heres another one. You have don jr. And eric trump saying when our father became president , we got out of all international business. This is a theme. Well, the trump hotel in d. C. , i couldnt figure out how trump could take the oath of office when he was sworn in because the oath requires him and the constitution that he had no ownership interest or do business with the federal government. Took the oath anyway. International trampers come to that hotel. You have the emolument clause going on. They have had some wins and losses. It will be interesting to see how that turns out. But as time goes on, its clear whether its the trump hotel or the facilities that are owned around the country, including federal governments use of some of these facilities. Lets not forget about that. That is just not accurate, if you will. I mentioned Kamala Harris at the top. That had to do with the average tax cuts showing it is a middleclass tax hike that seems so vanilla now. Politicians lying about taxes. Woowoo. I cant get excite build that. I know we are supposed to put democrats on the list when they lie too. She was citing a report that came out that week. It shouldnt have been cited. It is nothing like trump saying no obstruction. Nothing like diverting planes to the trump hotel in scotland. And troops and everything else. No obstruction, no obstruction, no obstruction. There are 7,000 versions of that. That is not what the report said, that there was no obstruction. That didnt make the list. When you have 3,000 lies and you only put seven on, that means 2,993 are not making the list. He really should be i think he should be in a category all his own. And then all the others who do the vanilla lies of this, that, and the other thing. Yes. They are like minor league. Compared to the man himself. There you go. Lastly here. We have 20 seconds. The gop senate and the house, how many of them repeat this. You talked about the. Cruz, kennedy. I cannot believe how they have fallen in line and believe the more you say it, despite how false it is, that somehow your followers or the gop are going to accept that. I hate to say that, the whole premise of the big lie. He created it or popularized it, and it seems to work in terms of keeping your base in line. Thank you all for joining me here. Up next, one of his own colleagues plans to defect from the Democratic Party. Plus, how the administration is preparing for a trial in the senate and why one of the president s staunchest allies is bracing for impact. Why he wants the senate to make up his mind when his mind is made up already. Youre weaponizing impeachment, and i want to end it. I dont want to legitimize it. I hate what theyre doing. I hate what theyre doing. 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Some everything i do during this im coordinating with white house counsel. There will be no difference between the president s position and our position as to how to handle this. Up with me this hour, former deputy secretary of state, cohost of unredacted. And shorthaannon is with nbc ne. With us from washington, kyle cheney, for politico and John Flannery, former special counsel to the Senate Judiciary committee. Kyle, let me start with you. You do some yeomans work looking at the parallels between what we saw now and when bill clinton was impeached pack in the 90s. What that will tell us as we move to the next stages of impeachment . Almost an inverse parallel. When we reach this stage in the clinton era, he was contrite and said look, i messed up. I apologize to the nation and to congress. Here you have President Trump saying this whole process is a scam, the committee embarrassed itself. We shouldnt even be in this position. So we will not see any contrition out of this white house and with that any sort of attempt at, you know, healing. It looks a little different in this era than it did before. John flannery, i wonder what you thought what you heard him talking to sean hannity, fielding questions from reporters on those points as well. This is a wholly different approach as well, is it not . Oh, absolutely. In fact, i think its a corrupt approach. It shouldnt surprise us that with an amoral man in the white house we would have this arrangement. Technically we have to think of mcconnell as the jury foreman, if you will. Well, hes allowing there to be jury tampering in a sense. He is telling us beforehand, before he takes the oath, that he is not going to be impartial, that he is going to railroad this thing in favor of the president. I think under a normal circumstance we trial lawyers what what we call voir dire. Can you be fair in the matter . Well, he cant do that . It seems he has no business being on the jury. And i think that the corruption thats involved in this jury process spreads further. Because we also have the president making contributions to key senators to buy off their vote for the purposes of the impeachment. There is no other way to look at it. It shouldnt surprise us that he would do know what he did wrong in ukraine and what he did before trying to obstruct other investigations. Thats exactly what we have here. The entire process is defective, flawed, unjust and fixed by the words of mcconnell. Now, if the nation isnt upset about that, this continuing obstruction of justice, of the congress, then i dont know what is. And i think that there should be charges made by the managers when appointed that certain jurors should be removed. Mcconnell has no business being a juror if he is not impartial. The oath is meaningful otherwise. And the same may be true for those who received contributions from trump directly to help them figure out what theyre doing. Any hope of that happening . You look at the diminished integrity of this process and what John Flannery is talking about there . Any hope there will be any remedy to what we have heard and stphaoepb. Seen . Hope is a very large word. I would say if hope a passion for what is possible, there is always possibility. I think what was most surprising to me in a way was the fact that Lindsey Graham offered Rudy Giuliani the opportunity to testify. Rudy giuliani is arguably a coconspirator in exactly the charges that donald trump has been is facing. And the democrats wanted to get testimony from him. So if we see republicans saying things like we are going to give key witnesses who refuse to cooperate with congress an opportunity to testify essentially to testify to the American Public, then i think that does create at least the political opportunity for democrats to quite loudly and vociferously get the American Public engaged in what is so clearly anden grossly unfair. And lots of rallies are being scheduled right now across the country. So well see. Shannon, i know you and your colleagues scrambled when Rudy Giuliani showed up at the white house with an umbrella over his head as he walked in the west wing. Do we know the role he will play here . Lindsey graham saying he raised the spectre with this wild trip to eastern europe. What role might he play in all of this . There was a moment when it seemed like Rudy Giuliani could disappear, fade from the scene. For over a year now people have been advising he is not well served by Rudy Giuliani. Hes only making problems worse. That was happening during the mueller investigation. Obviously it started happening here. He wouldnt respond to reporters text messages. He seemed to have fallen off the radar. Now he has come back with this white house visit and with this really publicized ukraine trip where he is interviewing people in ukraine to try and dig up dirt on joe biden. He is supposedly working on a documentary about this. And its now doubledown on rudy. And whether its being driven by the president or driven by rudy himself is unclear. But rudy certainly has not been pushed to the side like many of the president s allies, many, many, only of them. I cant tell you how many times over the past year or two i have heard people say the biggest advice for the president would be to stop tweeting and to get rid of Rudy Giuliani. But, you know, the president is his own political strategist and khaoubgzs adviser and everything else. And he has chosen to have rudy in his inner circle. So we have not seen the last of Rudy Giuliani how worried should democrats be about focus being lost . What Rudy Giuliani says he will bring forward. You look at the simple headline impeach with a period after it. There is an effort to crystallize what is so fundamental about the two articles being put before the house. I would take a step back. As the needle moved, has someone switched sides. As we are seeing today. Truth is next time next week he will be impeached. That is a tremendous the asterisk will be in place. And he will be only the third president ever to have done so. Probably for the best reasons as compared to the other two. And before you get into all of his this is good for me, good for my base, good for money, this is terrible for him. He was already looking at a terrible legacy to start. Now, its impeach. Will he be removed . No. But i dont think people should be frustrated, democrats should be frustrated because whats happening now is a food fight. What we saw during mueller, which is why i would take issue with rudy, rudy fbg effective during mueller. Hes crazy. And it might go down badly to rudy. He muddies the water. Yes, muddies the water. Second to trump, he is the most human noisemaker there is. When we get to the trial, whether its a week, 10 days, two weeks, five weeks, you are going to have an orderly presentation of damning facts. Is that going to change anyones minds in Mitch Mcconnell or anyone elses . I dont know. I doubt it. But we are restoring a very important process that has been neutered since 1998 by the republicans. John, you have been through it. You have heard from so many members this week talking about the moment, what they were grappling with, what it felt like to make the vote they made. Several members of the committee were there back in the 90s and voted similarly then. They had to vote. I dont know if they voted similarly then. I just wonder if the gravity is the same here . If all of this diminished the gravity of the moment . Something you hear from republicans is by doing this impeachment becomes a tool that might be more liberally used in the future. I want to get a sense from you the historical sense or gravity of it, if that has changed as a result . I think this is more grave than prior ones. Certainly clinton and in terms of nixon, the interference involving foreign powers, the foreign nation state of ukraine doing us a favor to save themselves perhaps from russia, the puppetmaster for trump. So i think on the scale of gravitas, this is very, very serious. And i think that we saw how frivolous the republicans position is at the hearing. Consider the amendments. Three of the amendments involved, one, let us vote against article one. That would be an up and down vote. The amendment was to strike that. Then they did the same with the second. Lets strike it. Those were the final votes. Then they came up with another nonsensical agreement, strike out the wherefore close. He should be impeached from office and never hold the honor of office ever again. The republican side has been frivolous, trying to obstruct the argument. And why . Two reasons. One, they operated on it of fear. As was said during the hearing, they are bending their knee to trump. The second part, they believe something most of person does not when faced with this proposition. That is that the president is a king, monarch. They fudge over it, but thats the underlying desperation for which they fight. And they may only fight for that if its a republican in the white house. But thats what they believe, going back to hamilton, the memo by barr during the mueller investigation, and now on the hill at this time. I think it was a fight between facts and law and demeanor versus very desperate republicans who must know with an i. Q. Of 65 how serious this is and that they are transforming facts into fiction and talking about law that is not law. And some of them are more effective than others. The two auctioneers that lead it off in terms of sound and voice. Collins and no jacket jordan. Let me wrap up with the news of the day. Jeff van drew saying he is going to switch to the Republican Party. How much of a seismic effect will this have on capitol hill . Of course he was one of two that came out early on. I imagine that caused ripples on and around capitol hill when that happened. Are there going to be aftershocks and tremors as a result of this on capitol hill . I think the impact will be fairly limited. Some people basic live consider van drew a de facto republican in a sense that he has been out so early against impeachment. That being the defining vote theyre about to take. So, you know, its not good news for democrats. They dont want to lose a member of their caucus, especially at this sensitive moment. If he does a big show alongside trump, you know, thats just going to really pour salt on the wound. But i think in a weird perverse way it almost unites the rest of the caucus a little more closely. Theres going to end up being one fewer defector. If there is a silver lining, it is a limited one but that would be it. Two words. Every time i republican says this they should say justin amash. Yes. I heard he could be brought in by the democrats. Love it. Kyle, thank you very much. John flannery, thank you very much for joining me this morning. Still much more to come including one 2020 fight to change the criteria for democratic debates. The man secretary on of state Hillary Clinton said had a brain snatch. Ton said had a brain snatch its tough to quit smoking cold turkey. So chantix can help you quit slow turkey. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. 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This holiday season, help your family discover theirs. I had nothing but disdain for this. I try to make myself clear on this. You are impeaching the president of the United States in a matter of weeks not months. You had a twoyear investigation. That wasnt enough. I think this whole thing is a crock. Youre sharing the president out. The process in the house. Any partisan group could do this in the future. Youre weaponizing impeachment. I want to end it. I dont want to legitimize it. I hate what theyre doing. What is the Lindsey Graham in doha. He has done an aboutface. 20 years ago Lindsey Graham was a congressman. Please give us a chance, American People, to document what the president did, actually did. I know what people want to do with this case. I know they want to get it over. I know many dont want the president to be impeached. But ive got a duty far greater than just getting to the next election. Some house members have said i will not vote for an impeachment. Let me tell you, please do say that until you understand what youre voting on. Members of the senate said i understand everything there is about this case and i wont vote to impeach the president. Please allow the facts to do the talking. Dont decide the case before the case is in. If you wonder whats going to happen in washington, impeachment will be over midjanuary. Personally i think President Trump will come out stronger. This thing will come to the senate and it will die quickly. And i will do everything i can to make it die quickly. So much there that i would love for you to react to. Dont decide the case before the case is in. That is a lesson in contrast. Yes. Hypocrisy has become the coin of the realm. And remember that Lindsey Graham had nothing good to say about donald trump in the election of 2016 and suddenly has become his best friend. So we have tons of turnaround here. I think what is so shocking about this is the stakes for this impeachment, the stakes for the country are going to whether or not we add an impeachment clause to the constitution. What the republicans are saying over and over again despite the very serious nature of these charges, including what Lindsey Graham is ignoring is the president saying i dont have to react, give you a thing, let anybody testify in Congress Even if its relevant and a fair request. Because every other president , including bill clinton and Richard Nixon never said a blanket, no, you get nothing, congress. So that obstruction of congress charge should be of deep concern to the republicans even if our elections and National Security arent. Kind of shocked that they arent. But not even to take the position that we must have a fair process even if hes going to vote for acquit al. Its shocking. The republicans and trump, it does a disservice. I was surprised to hear the mcconnell remarks and the Lindsey Graham statements. He will be acquitted. There should be no impeachment. Because i had been talking earlier this week in people close to the Senate Judiciary committee saying there would be a realest to look like they were an impartial jury. Of course some would go out and strongly defend the president. But they were going to try to dodge questions about impeachment, saying im going to let the process play out and look like an impartial jury because they wanted to give legitima legitimacy to the acquit al. Some something the president has called for over and over again, a fair trial. Right. So i was surprised to see mcconnell come out this strongly. I thought the strategy of course was the opposite. As far as Lindsey Graham, one clip i was hoping you were going to play, he was one of the impeachment managers on the in the senate trial. Yes. So the members of the house that went and argued. It is one of the strongest he gives of the five or six impeachment managers. And i was watching it and thinking, wow, this guy from South Carolina is good. He might be going somewhere. He might have a future. I encourage amount of people to go back and watch it. It is something that you could see a democrat saying word for word in todays situation. On that metamorphosis, this is a guy who wrote a profile for Time Magazine of your former boss. We have seen a video the Huffington Post made of joe biden, seeing how he talks about him now. This aboutface. Things changed dramatically. Yeah. During this whole ordeal we have all picked our personal republican we are most interested in. Mitch mcconnell is top of list. Jim jordan or matt gates. Mine is graham because i have been around him so much. The next time he was on the senate floor was being sworn in in 2001. And he was being sworn in with Hillary Clinton. They came in together. And they worked together. They got along. It was strange, but they did. They traveled together. They worked very hard together on military Health Reform for troops. They went to iraq together. They went on tv together. They were part of john mccains posse. It happened before trump. It happened six years ago when he was up for reelection. It was tea party days. Two words we dont use a lot. He was scared to death of a tea party challenge. He tried to out party the tea party and he became rabid. He said hillary had blood on her hands. Embracing every Conspiracy Theory he could going after obama. But what is most disappointing, hes always been gilligan to mccains skipper. Yes. And how you can turn on your best friend after their death has been maligned by donald trump really goes to the heart of someones soul. And its hard to even say at this point he has a soul. And i think Hillary Clinton was right, he has taken some hard hit to the head or something. Because for someone to subsume their own beliefs. He is a smart guy. Jim jordan, i dont know. He served as a j. A. G. Lawyer. He is an example of why things are not just broken but irreparably broken. This guy is not going back to a point where he is traveling with democrats and paling around. Republicans on the hill, though, do say watch Lindsey Graham after the may filing april may filing deadline for the South Carolina primary. If he is not primaried will we see a slightly different Lindsey Graham. And he will get to go to baseball playoff games. Who will be his best buddy . Cory booker weighing in on how the debate process plays Going Forward. The help of several of his competitors, one of his top advisers will join us next. Oh theres no place like home for the holidays. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. I need all the breaks as athat i can get. Or, at liberty butchemel. Cut. Liberty mu. Line . Cut. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Cut. 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They are refusing to change the qualifications saying the dnc will not change for any one candidate and will not revert back two consecutive nights with more than a dozen candidates. It is extremely low and reflects where we are in the race. National press secretary for the Booker Campaign is here with us in new york. Lets start with the how this came out. I was talking to julian castro. He said he is more interested in systemic change not focused on whats going to happen here in a month or two monthss time. Was it it like getting others to join him. Yeah. We went from the most historically diverse field we have seen to a top tier field. While the dnc acted in good faith, they have unfortunately the rules just really dont benefit candidates of color. Cory booker is not a billionaire. He cannot go on air and spend tense of millions of dollars to raise our name i. D. We are running a grassroots campaign. Unintendly they have narrowed the stage so you have to meet a certain polling threshold. At this time when john kerry was running he was at 4 . We are at 4 in some of the nonqualification polls. We are asking them to revise polls. It is not just cory. It is the field asking. I think people understand the damage it would cause that cory is not on that stage. His voice will not be heard. We are urging for the stage to reflect the Democratic Party. What do you say to tom rpere and saying if you are not meeting the threshold . What do you say to that, there is this mark that you have at this point. I really challenge that. I dont think that is the case. This is such an unusual cycle. I think we have seen someone like Pete Buttigieg rise from the candidate we didnt take as seriously to now one of the toptier candidates. You cant rule out someone like cory booker, a serious candidate, who does not have the millions of dollars to get on stage like tom steyer. And thats why were asking the dnc to reevaluate the rules and go back to what they originally were, polling or the donor threshold. There were no complaints about these rules when first announced. Your reaction to get things changed midstream . To the credit of the dnc, chairman perez and everyone, this was meant with the best of intentions. It there is such a thing as being overly egalitarian. Give credit where credit is due. The 20152016 republicans had it more of a sense of you do well and you get on the main card. You dont do well, you get on the under card. People on the under card made the point that they cant jump. That its hard. Only one or two candidates, Chris Christie and maybe. Fiorina. They jumped from one to the next. It seems like the entire point of debates now is to qualify for the next debate. And the amount of time people are spending to do that does not make sense. What cracks me up are the number of people not complaining that they are not making the debate. Marianne williamson. Michael bloomberg is not crying over not making the debate. There has to be some kind of system, override, some kind of committee that just uses common sense. For instance, it was possible for someone to qualify for the last debate but not the debate before purely because of longer time. It just doesnt make sense. It doesnt make sense that it took three debates for Elizabeth Warren and joe biden on the same stage. So they have to go back to the drawing board. Those who are happy that the field is narrowing. That is something you heard constantly over the course of the long campaign. It was too large. What do you say to them who maybe arent happily looking forward to two nights of debates or a dozen candidates involved. I think this was unintended windowing. The dnc rules have so quickly narrowed the stage from what was historically diverse candidates. Now without senator harris being on stage, there is no africanamerican voice up there. And it is coming with such a unique perspective. The only candidate in the race. Still lives in a lowincome black and brown community. No one else on the stage does. To have that perspective missing is detrimental to the Democratic Party. We cant forget that the voters, the base now is the base that delivered us wins with flipping virginia and electing the first democratic senator with doug jones. And also flip the house in 2018. We are artificially narrowing the field for no reason. How does the white house react to this . How does this complicate having a field that could be larger once again . The white house and the Trump Campaign is very happy for any time they feel like democrats can get on tv and talk about policies that the white house feels are completely out of line with where the American Public is. They think these debates do them well. They think the arguments and debates over health care, the positions of the candidates have taken on the debate stage it is painting the Democratic Party farther from the left than the moderates are. That is the argument i hear from the Trump Campaign. They love what they have seen so far from the debates. Scaling back in New Hampshire, your reaction to that and what the campaign tragedy is Going Forward as we get to within two monthss time to iowa and New Hampshire. I really challenge that piece. It is not accurate. We are definitely not scaling back. The fact is that our path we know is through the early states. We have to do better than expected in iowa to hit us on a trajectory to winning New Hampshire. If you want to be the candidate that wins, you cant scale back. I dont know where some of that reporting came from. It is just not accurate. From New Hampshire we know that cory is going to perform very well with diverse constituencies. Especially with the africanamerican population. South carolina, we know that is our path to the white house. Last question to you here just about money. I have covered enough to know there is always this lamentation this money is going to be spent. It happens time after time after time. Is some different as you see bloomberg and desirsteyer, the systemic changes. What is the legacy going to be having candidates that can do that . This notion of money and politics has been a significant barrier to the democratic process in general because it outsizes contributions from very wealthy people. We have the Citizens United problem with dark money in politics. But it is also that candidates of color traditionally have many more barriers to fund raise, right . So when we talk about the divorcity of who is on the stage, fundraising is usually the issue. Mayor bloome berg is not so upset about not being on the stage because he can do all the ad buys in the world. And has been, yes. And has been. Thats how steyer got on the stage. So it does distort what the constituency wants and what the debate is about. And i want to tie it back to impeachment because one thing we said earlier that was incorrect, Andrew Johnson not being impeached meant black people elected to statehouses were threatened and pushed on it of democratically elected positions. It took us 100 years to get back to where we were trying to be at reconstruction after the civil war. We had over 100 years of consequences to our democracy and failure to impeach Andrew Johnson. One is whether candidates of color have a clear and path to vying for office. Thank you for making the point. Let me ask you about the senator who has been off the trail. How is he doing and when does he plan to return . We expect him back on the trail starting tomorrow. Unfortunately he got the flu. The most person lesson is get your flu shot. Well said. Thank you very much for joining us. 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This is up. Im david gura. Moments ago the two house can Committee Chairman locked in before the impending impeachment vote. Lets take a listen. This misconduct goes on the threat to our election, integrity comes up goes on, its a clear and present danger i think to our democracy. This is a crime in progress against the constitution and against the american democracy. We cannot take the risk that the next election will be corrupted through foreign interference solicited by the president which he is clearly trying to do. Let me ask you about the crime in progress. It is messaging to the voters, electorate this is still happening or could happen. And the other is just to the mandate of the committees. Adam schiff to the left of jerry nadler saying they are open to new evidence. This is not something that will dry up or end. Absolutely. This is an ongoing saga. And rightly so. As we saw, Rudy Giuliani just went back to ukraine, doubled down right in the crime that keeps criming as barbara mcwade would say. It is doing the very same thing Robert Mueller said, 150 contacts between russians and the Trump Campaign. Different from whether he had sufficient evidence of conspiracy. But remember that one of the things he said explicitly in the report is people lie to us. People destroy documents. He didnt say exonerated. He said people made it hard for us to find evidence. Thats exactly the other article of impeachment, which i keep wanting to remind people of. What donald trump did in october is to go on television is say, yeah, china, i want you to do. In fact, i will use the trade talks. In other words, i will use the power of the office and abuse it. And now we have giuliani going back to ukraine and meeting with people. Remember, donald trump, one of the defenses should be, no, i was just concerned about corruption broadly. I wasnt just concerned about the bidens. What ukraine trip showed is giuliani meeting with the history of corrupt officials in ukraine that he should have been concerned about. So what he is saying is it is still happening and he is rightly saying it is probably criminal. If we could get enough evidence. But because of the obstruction we cant. Thats why impeachment itself is on trial. While the conversations are happening, fox news is out with a new poll on the subject of impeachment. I will read from that. It finds 50 wanting President Trump impeeved but removed. In recent days we have had the president espousing his affection for fox news. In recent weeks he criticized them for its polling. He does frequently criticize foxs polling. And clearly he has this impression that the fox polls should be more favorable to him for some reason. The white house has been talking a lot about another poll, republican Consulting Firm that showed the president doing, it showed support for impeachment i guess a little bit below the National Average in the key swing states. They have been really focusing on that. Our poll gurus, i asked about this. They say they dont read too much because of the methods they use behind that. When you look at impeachment polling as a whole, you look at the poll as a poll as they aggregate them altogether. It has been steady with people broken 50 . The numbers that the white house cares about are republicans and independents. As long as republicans stay firmly opposed to impeachment, they do not feel they have to worry about a mutiny among republican senators. So they are safe in the senate. Secondly, they look at independents. They are still consistently 50 50. So they feel like they have the shot to win over undecided independent voters, they havent shifted too far in favor of impeachment that they wont be able to get them back in 2020. The numbers frozen in amber it seems. Up next, she seems find with her husband attacking another teenager. The first ladys team discussing what he said about Greta Thunberg. My name is Greta Thunberg and i also have a christmas message. In 10 years this snowman wont exist. Santa, reindeer, the north poll, all of it gone. So merry maybe our last christmas to all and donald trump step to me and i will come at you like a plastic straw comes at a turtle. More to me than hiv. Theres my career. My cause. And creating my dream home. Im a work in progress. So much goes into who i am. Hiv medicine is one part of it. Prescription dovato is for adults who are starting hiv1 treatment and who arent resistant to either of the medicines dolutegravir or lamivudine. 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They turned to the first lady who has been silent on the matter. She has made antibullying her cause as first lady. The white house did respond from her spokesperson as they pointed out the speed with which they criticized a law prefer at stanford. The son is not an activist who travels the globe giving speeches. He is a 13yearold who wants and deserves privacy. Jake joins us now on set. Just react to this the import of her being on the cover. We can get the sideshow that came as a result of that. This was a brave pick. And she continues to have an impact. She has been in madrid. What time has recognized is that Greta Thunberg showed a moral clarity, level of intelligence and understanding on this issue that the world needs right now and that we are so sorely lacking in the oval office where we have seen in previous administrations that type of leadership. And frankly i think if we had a president who exhibited even half of the leadership that Greta Thunberg has shown or half of her intelligence or half of her moral clarity on this issue we would be in a much different place. Whats the role that she is playing . Those criticize her being named personhe of the year, its overblown what shes doing. Is the role shes playing in this conversation about the Climate Crisis . She has called our attention to the urgency of this issue and she o has particularly stood ups a young woman and called out our adultd leaders who have basicay essentially done nothing and shes saidia she has really spoken truth to power at the u. N. , at talks in various parliaments across europe. Nows at the climate talks, the global talks and shes stood up and said, look, we have eight years left if we are going to avoid the worstoi consequences Climate Change if were going to prevent thein globe from warmin. Pass the 1. 5 degrees celsius threshold with theyve come out numerous times and says were exhausting ouray carbon emissio budget if we have any hope of meeting that target and were not doing anything. And the types of things shed be advocating for are direct actions toti reduce our admissis in everyou sector of the econom from the powerr sector, cleani up our power plants from transportation, transitioning to electric vehicles, from buildings, things like what new york city has just done to enact a limit on the amount of emissions that canun be coming from our buildings. We have a leader in the white house who is affirmatively doing the opposite thing. Hesth rolling back the regulations we have instead of strengthening them. Hes supporting and propping up the industries that we know pollute and that cause global warming. And its really, you know, i think it takes a young woman, a child who has not necessarily been corrupted, shall we say, jaded, by politics to say to people, guys, what are you doing . Youve got itre all backwards a its wrong. I keep turning to you, my hypocrisy correspondent today. We thought pam didnt need to apologize im changing my title. But to this point of hypocrisy, going o back to the speed with which the first lady weighed in when her sons name was hementioned. Me what do you make of the president s silence and the willingness to do idthat. Ll the effort to punch him down when theres nobody to punch back at . Thats his m. O. This is at man who when he was campaigning for president called ong people at his rallies to b violent. This is the same president who after charlottesville, after we saw White Supremacists march, neonazis march and the death of Heather Heyers equate it with Peaceful Protesters and said theres good and bad on both sides and nowth the president w literally intimidated a career public miservant, a former ambassador who, was a witness d impeachment while she was sitting and giving testimony to the House Intelligence Committee was tweeting intimidating statements about her. So in a sense, theres no surprise here. This isns n a continuing patter behavior. I think what we may have suspected is that perhaps he hap a boundary when it came to someone who was under 18. I think we in new york knew he didnt have that boundary since he was calling for the Death Penalty of young men who are now the exonerated five. And he has never apologized for calling for their Death Penalty, even though even after they have been exonerated. So for those of us who have known him for a long time, no surprise here and no surprise that, you know, part of the, i think, crass political calculation of c having an Antibullying Campaign for the first lady was in an effort to try to restore the impression that he made very explicit to the American People beginning with the election. All the while having a laugh about this, the Trump Reelection Campaign reworking the cover togn put President Trumps head onto greta thunbers body. So this does not help him with white suburban women. And that is one of the very key demographics they have to worry about. They really are in trouble there. Thatsea what we saw cause the e backlash against republicans in 2018 and help propel a lot of thesens democratic members into the house. They need to worry about suburban white women and every time Something Like this comes up, it gives that ick factor, concern. Is this it increases the discomfort level withse checkin thedi box for donald trump. Andna even though his defenders his base love to see him counterpunching, anyone who comes at him, whether its the pope, whether, its a gold stag family, whether its a 13yearold girl, hes goingit go sback. If you attack him, you are fair game and hisre base loves to se that. Its notlo doing any favors wit the rest of the voting population. Great toti see you. Appreciate it. Join us here in new york. Thanks to my panel this hour. Coming up congressman ilhan omar will join joy reed at the top of the hour. Reed at the top of the hour. Upbeat music no coverup spray here. Cheaper aerosols can cover up odors in a flowery fog. But febreze air effects eliminates odors. With a 100 natural propellent. It leaves behind a pleasant scent youll love. [ deep inhale] freshen up. Dont cover up. Febreze. The best of pressure cooking and air frying now in one pot, and with tendercrisp technology, you can cook foods that are crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside. 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But after what you just heard from the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, whats now clear to anyone who is watching is that the white house will be the only body conducting a constitutional process. With something entirely different and diminished happening in the senate. By revealing that hes not even going to pretend to be an impartial juror in the impeachment of his bossman donald trump, Lindsey Graham is practically boasting that he considers the oath of office that he took when he became a senator to be a joke. United states senators take an additional oath at the beginning of an impeachment trial where they swear to, quote, do impartial justice according to the constitution and laws. Lindsey graham apparently considers that to be a joke, too. And hes far from alone. Grahams revelation that he will refuse to do his job came just two days after selfproclaimed grim reaper of the senate Mitch Mcconnell told the trump