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Intelligence committee acknowledged the existence in a statement and since then reporters and lawmakers have been trying to ascertain what it entails. The acting director of National Intelligence has withheld the complaint from congress at the recommendation of the Justice Department. On wednesday, the colleagues at the Washington Post for were the first to report the Communications President trump and a foreign leader. In days since, several news outlets including the post and New York Times reported that leader is the president of ukraine. There are new details from the wall street journal. That newspaper reporting President Trump repeatedly pressured his ukrainian counter part to investigate joe bidens son. The president urged him about eight times to work with Rudy Giuliani on a probe that can hamper mr. Trumps potential 2020 opponent. They have not confirmed the wall street journals reporting. This is what President Trump had to say about all of this on friday afternoon. Its a partisan whistle blower. They shouldnt even have information. I had conversations with many leaders that always appropriate. I just tell you President Trump set to meet with the ukrainian president in person next week at the opening of the u. N. General assembly while joe biden also responding to the allegations calling them not credible and saying this. Not one single credible has given any credibility to his assertion. Not one. I have no comment. The president , his allies in the media are seizing on this story to attack the democratic frontrunner over what are unfounded plans. The incident is setting up to be another show down between congress and the administration. Well talk about that in a moment. What happened over the last 24 hours. They havent slept all week. Get us up to speed on what is happening. Yeah. Im feeling guilty because ive been here in new york and theyve been working very hard in washington. So weve gone from the initial report that there was a complaint that involved a foreign leader to now being pretty definitively reported in several places, including ours that this was, indeed, ukraine. It involved the president s conversation, initial conversation, get to know you call with the new president of ukraine at the end of july and during that conversation, the wall strewall street journalst eight times the president urged the new ukrainian president to pursue two paths of investigation, you know, that then have to take a leap say those could potentially hurt joe biden and help the president. That would be the subject of a further complaint and thats what congress is trying to get to the bottom of whether that, in fact, is improper conversation for the president of the United States to be having with a foreign leader. Let me turn to professor burns. Youre working as a Foreign Policy advisor to Vice President joe biden. I want to get your reaction to the reporting and what the president had to say about this yesterday. Theres nothing abnormal about him having a conversation like this with a world leader well, if this story is true, and that, you know, more information has to come forward to verify. If its a true, its a clear abuse of power by President Trump. I cant remember any similar episode by any prior american president in our memory who would act like this. Who would goad and, if you will, extort a foreign leader, pressure a foreign leader to go after one of the president s political opponent, in this case Vice President biden. On completely trumped up charges, by the way, by the Trump Administration. By the president himself. Personally. Again, yesterday, it is a real problem for our National Security because ukraine is fighting for its life. Its trying to fend off aggressive initiatives by president putin. It needs this military assistance from the United States. We all know that the administration held up this assistance for a long time throughout the summer so as a National Security part of this. Theres also, clearly, an ethical behavior by the president , if the story is true. Theyre bringing up the idea there could have been a quid pro quo here in all the reporting weve seen. That has not been reported yet. Its something certainly that you and others and lawmakers are watching as this unfolds. The fact this military aid, 400 billion was released subsequent to the conversation taking place. A simpler explanation may be allegedly it occurred on july 25th. Thats right after the mueller hearings. Hours after it. Exactly. Lets be real about this. You know, the president may have been feeling himself a little bit. He may have been feeling himself that the mueller hearings are over. Nothing is happening. There are no consequences coming forth. No one is holding me accountable. Im going to pretty much do what i feel like doing. And no one has ever held him truly accountable for interfering in the election the last time. Im going to do it again. And he said before in an interview with George Stephanopoulos he was willing to accept foreign interference. Hes going to do it again. Hes going to seek it out this time. And so, yes, its a gross abuse of president ial power, perhaps, outside of his human rights abuses. The grossest weve seen yet. But i think what we need to do here is make sure that we have, you know, we have the House Democrats have, you know, all the power to hold him accountable. We need to see them act. Another principle in this story is Rudy Giuliani. Former u. S. Torn. The president s personal attorney, as well. He went on cnn on wednesday to talk about the story. Lets take a little bit of a listen to what he had to say during a 30 minute interview. Did you ask the you ukraine to investigate joe biden . No. The allegations there was sfwer feerns in the election of 2016 by the ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton for which you never asked anything about hunter biden . You never asked anything about joe biden . The only thing i asked about joe biden to get to the bottom of how it was that dismissed the case against so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden. Of course i did. You said you didnt. I want to get your reaction. He was actively trying to get ukraine to investigate joe bidens son hunter. He said independently. The conventional wisdom that Rudy Giuliani has been front running stories for the president where he blurts something out. Its interesting in the broader context. I ran into a democratic senator yesterday on the train and he happened to be on the Senate Intelligence committee and one of the concerns he has theres such a lack of contemporaneous note taking going on inside the white house. Ta theyre not sure where it goes. Trying to find hard physical evidence that would lead to a conclusion is one of the challenges they face in the senate and the house. And to this notion of rudy being freelance diplomat. He maintained he was doing it of his own malicious. Who was paying his bills, thats a huge question. What is different. What we havent seen before. This is high up there, isnt it . Well, it is. To have the president s personal lawyer taking trips to meet with y Ukrainian Government officials make demands of them. Who knows what was said. When giuliani said he took the trip to meet the ukrainian in madrid earlier this summer with the knowledge of the state department and he reported to the state department, its wrong to involve the state department in such a crass political affair. Theres so many allegations around it. Its wrong to ask Career Foreign Service officers who are nonpartisan, whose obligation is the constitution, not the president , their oath is to the constitution, wrong to involve them. So ive been saying the last couple of days the state Department Needs to stay clear of this. Giuliani needs to stop asking the state department to help him. And, you know, the transcript of this phone call and every National Security counsel staffer prepares transcripts of president ial phone calls. It ought to be turned over to the congress if the administration doesnt want to make it public. Turn it over to the congressional committees and let them see what the president said. If the president asked eight times in one short phone call for the president of ukraine to try to examine or investigate Vice President biden, thats wrong. And thats an abuse of power. And the Vice President doesnt deserve it because, as you know, the New York Times and Washington Post looked at the wild accusations by President Trump and giuliani and they say, the press says theres nothing there. I think we need to be careful. Not to make this a joe biden story. I think joe biden needs to be careful not to make this a joe biden story. The commentary about it. He needs to make sure that he addresses the president s wrong doing and not necessarily focus on him and maybe what his son is alleged to have done. Where do we go from here . The conflict between the white house, Intelligence Community, and congress, as well. Nancy pelosi highlighting the fact that by the law, lawmakers have to be notified when a complaint like this is brought to the Inspector General. The Inspector General testifying this week behind closed doors. We expect thursday this week joe mcguire will be on capitol hill, as well. Were talking about transcripts. We dont know if theyre there. What will happen this week on capitol hill . The first thing is, as you refer yet another contest between House Democrats and the white house. Its interesting that there will be testimony before the house and senate this week. But thats the instant question. Will the white house allow the release of the original whistle blower complaint, which they havent yet. The subject of it and the rough contents of it are now pretty well known, including to the house committees that want it. They want to see the actual thing. Will people be either compelled to testify in person or will a transcript of this phone call be provided . I mean, i agree with nick burns there is a transcript. There always is. Its a question of how good it is and where it is and whether they let it out. All right. Obviously a huge story with many angles to sort through. What can congress do about this . A lawmaker will join us in a little bit. Peter welch who sits on the house Intelligence Committee. To another big story. An announcement from the pentagon overnight that the Defense Department is deploying more troops to the middle east as tensions escalade ahead of the u. N. General Assembly Next Week. Ahead of the u. N. 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And for all of those that say, oh, they should do it. It shows weakness. Actually, in my opinion, it shows strength because the easiest thing i can do, okay, go ahead. Knock out 15 different major things in iran. I can do that and were all set to go. Its all set to go. But im not looking to do that, if i can. Nicholas burns with us. Let me start with you and have you assess the reaction to this. There was talk of the u. S. Retaliating with military and what we see here is the same kind of bluster weve seen after incidents in the past. More sanctions. Some of the administration has done and time again. Your reaction to what weve seen. David, my reaction is i dont think President Trump is standing up to the iran challenge. Its a real crisis now with the iranians acting with impunity. That was a capital strike against the heart of the Saudi Oil Industry last saturday. The iranians have been threatening shipment in the gulf. They shot down u. S. Drones and the administration has to be careful. We dont want a wider war, but sanctions sanctions and sending a few hundred troops to saudi arabia is not going to be seen by our adversaries in the region, by the iranians, as tough minded or effective. And there are all sorts of other options here. Whether its Cyber Attacks or covert operations or the United States striking at Iranian Revolutionary guard core outside the territory of iran because theyre in the gulf. We have to stand up to the challenge. You said look at the rhetoric the administration. The president said we were locked and loaded. The response it doesnt measure up and we look it looks like iran now is the controlling power in that part of the world going all the way back to the 1973 war in the middle east. The United States has always kept the gulf open. We dont appear to be doing that now. Thats not in our national interest. And your sense of the message here to the iranians, and you have president of iran coming here. Youll be covering the General Assembly this coming week. How do they process what is happening here. Perhaps the u. S. Is goaded into doing something and it did nothing. Yeah. And the iranian Prime Minister is tweeting to that effect this morning. They feel like they kind of put one over on the president here. But trump is operating on two tracks with iran. On one side, he wants to meet toughness with toughness. You can tell in his remarks there that he is sensitive to the appearance hes not being tough and he wants to project what hes doing actually is tough. And at the same time, he wants to negotiate. He was hoping to be able to sit down with rouhani this week and do what he thinks he does best, which is get in a room with somebody, look them in the eye, and try to figure out if he can make a deal. That has never worked with the iranians. Only multilateral diplomacy and a combination of Pressure Campaign and economic and political has ever worked with them. So i think the question now would be how it will be interesting how they circle one another this week. But the sanctions imposed this week are not going to do much more. Well play a bit more sound here. The president talking about the state of iran in light of the sanctions. Lets take a listen to what he had to say. These are the highest sanctions ever imposed on a country. Weve never done it to this level. Its too bad what is happening with iran. Its going to hell. Doing poorly. Theyre practically broke. They have been the number one, as you know, well, number one country worldwide of terror. Between sponsoring it and doing it themselves. We cant have it. Later in the statement he reiterates with the president said. A lot of sanctions imposed here. You saw the tweet a moment ago. Poking at the defense officials and the president. What effect are they having . Is the country going to hell, as you heard the president say . Its struggle economically. Theres no doubt that iran is having a tougher time than it had in the past. Now theyre finding ways to skirt them with respect to selling oil through intermediaries to other large countries but their revenues are down. The bigger question, though, and i would disagree with ambassador burns, to a certain extent. The United States is becoming increasingly independent. From a Foreign Policy perspective, the middle east has less significance in that regard than it used to. The United States produces 12 Million Barrels of oil a day. The oil market had a sharp response initially after the saudi attacks. And theres no doubt we should, you know, help protecting our allies. With respect to the larger economic picture, which i tend to focus on. It had a smaller impact than the Arab Oil Embargo in 1973 or 74. Theres a certain aspect that might, i would think, stay in the u. S. hand. Having said that, promoting regional stability is important. Well leave it there. Ambassador nicholas burns, thank you very much for the time. Coming up, addressing what theyre calling a crisis. Millions of protesters demanding action on Climate Change as World Leaders make their way new york for the u. N. General assembly. Their way new york for the u. N. General assembly volunteerism. Fundraising. Giving back. Subaru and our retailers have given over one hundred and sixtyfive Million Dollars to charity. We call it our love promise. And its why you dont even have to own a subaru to love a subaru retailer. Love. Its what makes subaru, subaru so that early retirement we planned. Its going ok . Great. Now im spending more time with the kids. Im introducing them to crab. Crab . They love it. So, you mentioned that that money we set aside. Yeah. The kids and i want to build our own crab shack. Ahhh, youre finally building that outdoor kitchen. Yup with room for the whole gang. 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All that happened because of 16yearold greta thunberg. Shes been speaking out about it. This is an emergency. Our house is on fire. We are doing this to wake the leaders up. Were doing this to get them to act. Protester expected to continue next week in 150 countries and today is International Coastal clean up day with millions of volunteers participating in beach clean ups around the world. Jake levine was an aid to president obama and joins us in new york. I want to get your reaction what we saw yesterday. There have been protests in the months and years past, but it felt like Something Different in terms of the magnitude and the age of those participating. Absolutely incredible. I think we saw more than 4 million protesters worldwide. Over 150 countries, seven continents. And, look, this is all because of one young woman greta thunberg. I think we need to listen to what shes saying. She says i dont want your pa praise. I want you to listen to the science. Shes got some serious guts. She goes into the eu and congress and says youre not doing good enough. Try harder. Its inspiring. You were down at one of the protests here in new york. What did you see . What were people saying about what motivated them to come out . I think, really, the words that i would use are more urgency. I think that, you know, you saw the kinds of passion that really sparked the creation of things like the epa. You know, when things happened in my hometown of cleveland, ohio. It catches on fire and people speak up and say, hey, weve had enough. And we need to have Government Action and the government actually responds. Now, unfortunately, you have so many vested interests that are feeding this that, fortunately, the government does not respond. So we need people to actually respond i think a little bit more proportionately. And i think right now were seeing hundreds of thousands of people on the streets and millions. We need even more. Ed, to jakes point there about how it translated into action. We have this moment coming up monday of this week. Theres going to be a gathering of World Leaders. What is the test going to be, if this message that rang out through the streets around the world resonated with those in new york. I think one thing well be looking at who attends that summit tomorrow and surrounding the u. N. And my expectations is President Trump will not. The Trump Administration has both said they recognize the threat of Climate Change and done, frankly, little to say they are following through on that threat. Many different parts of the government that were seized was this question. A few years ago have been starved of resources and in some cases people have, you know, Foreign Service officers and others have had retaliation taken upon them. Jake, the question to you. What are you looking for . I mean, action. Real action on the policy. Exclusive of the u. S. Or inclusive of the u. S. . Both. But, you know, the contrast between the protests all around the world and what was happening in the u. S. Yesterday when President Trump and his administration revoked californias waiver under the clean air ability to implement more stringent fuel economy standards. For example, its just striking. And california sued in its 60th lawsuit to defend on these types of issues. As a follow up to this type of agitation in the streets, what we need to be seeing is real policy action primarily in the United States. I would say who has the ability to lead internationally but all around the world. So, you know, we need the action but we also need these protesters to be unrelating. They need to take a page out of the playbook, if you will. If you go back to the vietnam era and you go back to the era where the epa was created. The kids who were on campus in the 1960s and engaging in antivietnam war protests were unrelenting and the change for pressure so was great that ultimately it brought an end to the war. If these kids want to control their future, they cant stop. They cant have a day off and walk away. It has to be something that is persistent, consistent, and have to go to the voting booths and polls, as well, and make their voices known. There we go. Again, i speak these words more urgency. You look at what the Trump Administration is doing. We saw denying actively in their policy the fact that, you know, we have climate refugees, you know, and the fact this problem is only going get worse and the trump has an active interest. Politically, in making sure that people believe this is not happening. And nice reporting by my colleagues. Thank you very much for being with us. And the awardwinning Writer Jonathan safran foer has a new book about Climate Change. Hell join us on sunday. 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Nbc news obtained a memo that dont see a path forward unless they raise nearly 2 million in the next ten days. Cory booker is one of ten democratic president ial hopefuls fielding issues about the Lgbtq Community in iowa last night. A topic that mostly went ignored at the democratic debates thus far. The candidates were united but lead to tense moments for former Vice President joe biden as he was asked to defend his record and is exchange with the Cedar Rapids Gazette exchange. You voted for dont ask dont tell. In 1996 you voted for the defense of marriage act. You voted to repeal both of those but also praised Vice President mike pence as a decent guy. Youre a lovely person. That columnist later described youre a lovely person as contindescending. Well hear from cory booker at the steak fry. Yeah. You need money to run for president. And he actually did have pretty good moment at the last debate a reterritorial moment a lot of people were waiting for. Hes arguably the best on the stump. You know, hes got fire, hes got a great delivery. Hes rhetorically strong but hasnt caught fire and that means he hasnt been able to bring in as much money as certainly as he hoped but a lot of people expected and i dont know whether hell drop out or not but hes definitely staring down another fundraising deadline and hes going to have nose numbers will have to look better than it appears that look now before more money comes in. I think with respect to senator booker, he didnt have as clear a compelling set of arguments as Elizabeth Warren or as much recognition as joe biden or a Pete Buttigieg. Hes somewhere in the nether land that, you know, i think most candidates are finding themselves as we move toward four or five viable names. I want to ask you about the exchange with the cedar rapids newspaper. What you saw well, i think to the point on senator booker, i think senator booker is one of the only candidates that hasnt really presented a compelling reason why hes doing this. I think he is a good its love, optimism, and what . He definitely has the message of radical love in this moment. But i think it doesnt really speak as oppositional to donald trump as maybe he thinks it does. It doesnt necessarily speak as a reason to put him in office. I think as much as he tries really, really, really hard to, you know, impress the American Public, you know, with his skills and his political acumen, i think that the senator just is not presenting the American Public with a reason to put him in office. To the point of so youve why joe biden should step aside in the campaign. Yes. I imagine this would be at the top of the piece. Well, i think it would be an addendum to my essay on why mr. Biden needs to leave the race. I think theres no such thing as benevolent sexism. And what you have there, in addition to his comment on the stage, liz describe what he said after wards. Apparently dryly called her a real sweet heart. And this is just this kind of p behavior we dont need to see from a standard bearer for the democratic party. Especially in a year when the nominee is running against a known misogynist who pressed forward with misogynist policies and we have women in the race who have strong campaigns Going Forward. Strong policies Going Forward that are just better choices. To this point, about 30 seconds left. There was so much talk about letting trump be trump. I dont know if theres a parallel to let biden be biden. You have to acknowledge his behavior is as a result of this. Do you see it as part of what we continuing . I mean, biden will be held to a different standard than trump is held. Trump regularly on stage refers to women as darling. Right. Thats not what youre supposed to do in 2019 but he does it and is not penalized for it. 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Hes declined over and over again to respond to President Trump directly. On wednesday the president tweeted. In the past he said powell and the fed dont have a clue. He said powell is like a golfer who cant putt. This was the one that shocked everybody, i think, its fair to say. My only question is who is our bigger enemy . Jay powell or chairman xi. This is a guy that goes to princeton, goes to georgetown, law school. Becomes under secretary of the treasury. Has a high profile job at the carlisle group. Hes in a position where he cannot respond to the attacks. Help us understand the dynamic. Hes rebuffed these questions about his relationship to President Trump and yet this has to be wearing on him. If i were jay powell, i would do the unthinkable and call the president and say, dude, your trade war is killing the global economy. Im doing what i can to offset the damage that youre causing to Global Manufacturing to slowing down the u. S. To a rate maybe next year that will be below trend. This is your problem. Figure it out. Im cutting rates. I have so many, you know, left in the arsenal. Im 1. 75 now. We dont want to go to zero. Thats an emergency rate used for crises. Its not used for managing a soft landing in the economy. This is on you. He cant do that but thats really the message that should go to the president. Hes punching somebody who cant punch back. What extend are we seeing something out of his play book. Yeah, i mean, this is a sign of weakness. This is the president s understanding of masculinity at large. And, you know, this is his leadership. Frankly, if im the democrats, every day repeating what was in that yahoo story we saw about a week or two weeks ago, 300,000 jobs lost by this trade war. 300,000 jobs. And only Amy Klobuchar is the only person that brought it up. Every day they should be repeating that. Up to a million are expected to be lost by the end of the year. And the average american may pay an extra 2,000 for goods on tariffs from china. Its really at a point where we have to judge the president from an economic standpoint as an enemy of the state. When you talk to investors, how much attention do they pay . As i talk to them, is jay powells job in jeopardy . What will happen with the fed. Its been illustrated over and over again. Is it another thing theyre able to do now . Well, no, you cant tune out the Federal Reserve. You cant. What about the president s messaging . To an extent. By statute the president cannot fire the chairman or chairwoman of the Federal Reserve except for cause. The president is also eroding the credibility of the Federal Reserve by constantly harping on them and suggesting theyre not doing the right thing. He has two nominees who may end up on the board who want to take rates to zero at a time they shouldnt be there. I think i think markets, while theyre not focused on it yet, could be on it later. Also to rons point about whats statutorily allowed, that hat now stopped the president from going to his lawyers to figure out cause. Its part of the pattern. The president thinks i run the government, so i run the government, and he runs all of it. Hes immensely frustrated as what he sees as the feds refusal to do so, and the only, you know, whipping boy hes got is jay powell, so hes whipping away. Whipping away. Thank you all for joining me. Make sure you tune back in tomorrow. Well see you tomorrow on up. Coming up, what do you know about the president s call with the ukraine that caused the whistleblower to file the complaint . The president weighing in on twitter. One lawmaker weighing in on it, peter welch is going tow weigh n it as well. Thats coming up next. Weigh i it as well thats coming up next. Raise your steins to the king of speed. Im off to college. Im worried about my parents retirement. Dont worry. Voya helps them to and through retirement. 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Reporters for the Washington Post which first broke the news continue to give us new details on what it alleges and how that document has been handled. The latest big developments come from the wall street journal. The journal is reporting that during a phone call between President Trump and his ukrainian counterpart, President Trump urged him eight times to investigate joe bidens son hunter. A similar report has appeared in t the Washington Post and New York Times. Heres what president had to say saturday afternoon. Its a partisan whistleblower. Ive had conversations with many leaders, always appropriate. Have you read it . No, i havent. Ill just tell you. Everybodys read it. They laugh at it. The president s lawyer Rudy Giuliani also got the ukraine to investigate joe bidens son. They say its a corruption allegation. His reaction from former Vice President joe biden last night. Not one single credible outlet can give assertion. Not one single one. I have no comment except the president start to be present. Be present. Clintd watts is a former fbi agent now with the Foreign Policy research institute. Also with us this morning kyle cheney, he covers congress for politico and he was one of the first to report on the existence of that complaint. Kyle, let me start with you and hel help us understand what the last 24 hours have yielded especially on capitol hill where you roam the hallways hour after hour after hour. What do they say about this . Its moving faster than congress is used to dealing with it the way it comes out drip, drip in press reports. You re starting to see proimpeachment lawmakers. Theyre starting to open their ey eyes, the grave consequences it could have for the presidency. Kyle, just a moment. I want to get a sense from you what theyve said about what they said, where they think of where this process is. The democrats all walked away from there, affirmed in their belief that this is a matter of serious consequences. They said, look, if the president is going to deny these allegations, he can release the transcript of his phone call with ukrainian leaders because theyve asked for that for a couple of weeks now. Republicans are pretty guarded on this. Some have come out, the allies of the president have come out and said there doesnt appear to be anything to this, but really the members of the Intelligence Committee are sort of keeping mum for now and saying lets see how this plays out. Kyle, last question here. We know about this call because lawmakers have been investigating this. Help us understand that, that subject of investigation, how this was being looked at or regarded by lawmakers before this news broke . Well, they dont know the details of the whistleblower complaint per se, but they have seen Rudy Giulianis very Public Comments about trying to get ukraine to investigate about joe biden and his son. So they started looking at this and bringing in a question of whether a brief hold on military to ukraine was tied in as a leverage point. Theyve been looking at this for weeks now. And they know the call came a day after bob muellers testimony on capitol hill. Theyre very well aware of the calendar on that. They wonder if that emboldens the president to have some outreach to the ukraine for potentially electionrelated information the day after. Kyle, stay with us if you would. Well go to the congressman in just a moment. You and kyle have complementary pieces about what this says about how the administration, how republicans on capitol hill approach scandals like this one. Yeah. I mean if it seems eerily familiar to anyone, thats because it is. Theres a pattern here. If Rudy Giulianis interview on cnn seems familiar, its because i watched that interview five times during the Russian Investigation regarding bob mueller. It becomes denial, we did not do them, or even if the president did them, theres nothing wrong with them. The president does not say he did not ask anything to the president about joe biden. Hes not deflecting. Hes not denying that. But theres a deflection to the subplot. Here is the bidens subplot. And Rudy Giuliani has been pushing reporters for month to Pay Attention to ukraine, to try and get attention for these allegations he has about joe biden and joe bidens son in the u crane. Finally because of the whistleblower report he has them talking about biden and ukraine. And finally there will be the discredit part of this playbook like bob muellers angry democrat or how many there were, the partisan witch hunt. The president already calling this whistleblower whose identity he says he does not know a partisan whistleblower. You heard him say that to our colleague Kristen Welker in the oval office. There was a closed door hearing that lasted several hours. Next week theyre going to hear from the acting director Joseph Maguire. With us now, patrick welsh. Let me start with how satisfied you with the Inspector General this week and what you hope to hear when he sits before your committee on thursday. Well, the Inspector General was very, very solid. Keep in mind he was appointed by President Trump and he is a bythebooks straight shooter. He gave us no information about the content of the complaint, but what he said is a whistleblower followed the legal procedure, filed a complaint to his office. Under the law its very simple and clear. The Inspector General has two weeks to investigate that and if the Inspector General determining its urgent and a matter of environmental National Security, he forwards to the director of National Intel jerngs and then under the law the director of National Intelligence has the responsibility to convey it to the committees. The dni did not do that. It appears that the Justice Department intervened. Weve got a situation where the whistleblower statute has clearly been violated, and that in and of itself is extremely concerning, and i hope to my republican colleagues as well as the democrats on the committee. Congressman, they talk about Legal Recourse if your committee doesnt get the information you and chairman schiff want to get. What is the recourse . If the administration is violating the law or in this case the director of National Intelligence not following his clear duty under the whistleblower, we can go to court, and chairman schiff has indicated that very definitely is an option. There would be an effort to get as immediate relief as we could in that the report be provided to the full Intelligence Committee. Whats so important about this whistleblower statute, as long as the whistleblower follows the procedure, theyre authorized to given what otherwise might be prohibited information for them to give to the Intelligence Committee and then we can evaluate it and decide what it is we have to do. But when you essentially close down the option for a person who has information that is of your ge urgent and theres been a significant breach that threatens security, you open up the possibility of it going rogue, ala snowden. Your chairman goes out and makes a press statement,ivstat a letter, theres going go nothing at the end. Your reaction, the pattern as this gets under way. Wheres the complaint . The complaint has been issued, filed by the Inspector General, and our committee should be seeing that. So none of us know whats in that complaint. So to suggest its serious or trivial, none of us have the information. So we have to get the complaint. Its of enormous importance that the committee in Congress Stand up for the right of congress to do oversight. You know, we have a republican president today, but some day well have a democratic president. We should all be standing up for the right of national oversight. Thats critical to the protection of our constitutional order. Last question, youre in a factfinding capacity. I just want to get you to reflect on this last week, what youve been able to ascertain versus what reporters are able to ascertain about this, what it says about congresss ability to get information of grave significance. The bottom line, the press has been the leader in all of this. We had a meeting with the Inspector General. He was very, very careful to tell us the procedure histoal h. He did not reveal any information under the complaint. Thats because as of right now, hes not ought rise dodd that. The reports by the president to ukraine, essentially inviting ukraine interference in the election, a la what russia did, thats coming to us from the reporters. Peter welch, the congressmen from virginia. Thank you very much. One of the principal investigators im going to turn to you. About the sanctity of a whistleblower, that congress would review it, it would be taken seriously, and your identity would be kept secure. Its remarkable this is happening, essentially since Edward Snowden has a back out this week. We have one here, and its not working. Its not set up in such a way. Most of these things are not set up to say, what if the president does it . This is probably the problem that Joseph Maguire has right now. They go and look at the rule book and they say, is this an intelligence activity or not . Is this person in my command or above or outside of it. And they try to figure out what the role is. Theyre having to report to that boss whats going on in iran because we have a Huge International thing going on. This shows if we dont have norms, people that dont abide by those norms, if we cant act for all americans and we ultimately end up in this position all the time, this whistleblower, whoever it is, has followed the procedures exactly the way theyre supposed to. Weve, again, reached a breakdown. So you think back to the special council investigation. Now were at this one again. Its systematically our government has been challenged and no one weighs a thought on how to advise. The point was real about how broken down things are. This shows relief and dysfunction of congress. Those who are complicit with Congress Gets responsibility of oversight. What we have here is the kind of continuous example of the overreach of executive power. Theres way in which the folks around donald trump and donald trump himself, they believe that you know, in something we describe as the imperial presidency, that he, in fact, has unchecked power. It seemed to be the statement that there are republicans in congress who hold the same view, at least when a republican is in office, and so part of what were witnessing in this battle over this particular issue is the erosion of the peoples house. And that doesnt bode well for our democracy. Joe biden is involved in all of this, shannon. Lets play a bit of tape of joe biden addressing reporters about that whistleblower complaint. I have no comment except that the president start to be present. Donald trump appears to be collaborating with foreign governments to attack americas democracy. Clearly doesnt get the job of what it means to be president of the United States. This is extremely disturbing. Really raises so many questions about what is happening, what theyre trying to hide and why. Its file ftime for Congress Step up and begin serious impeachment proceedings against this man. You see the democrats stepping up and pushing past the on fuss skaggs and questioning the phone call with this foreign leader. Lets go back to the first man, former Vice President joe biden. This is a tricky situation for him to be in. Theres this widely discredited investigation. It begins to be something that we and others are talking about. If this story goes on or they try to go down the impeachment path, theres this continuing subplot of the president and Rudy Giuliani alleged that joe biden did something nefarious in the ukraine. It just muddies the water, and even if people dont believe that, it still can create the sort of subconscious perception that while he was Vice President there was something shady about his past. It gets into the subconscious narrative that can taint a narrative Going Forward. Thats the risk the democrats have in bringing this up over and over and over again because there will be the alternate echo chamber going on talking about biden and yukraine. I think its similar to the russia investigation. A crazed doj and partisan leaders. And that has its own effect on the american psyche. Kyle cheney, last question, with politico. I wonder if you and your colleagues were listening to npr yesterday in which the House Speaker nancy pelosi addressed this story and the allegations that talked about impeachment. We heard about those trying to get the nomination of president. How much is this testing the resolve of the House Speaker . We heard her say they should revisit the statutes on whether a president can be indicted. She is still avoiding the subject of whether impeachment is warranted. Its like, lets see where it goes. Its gone in the last few days. Kyle cheney with politico. 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Raise your steins to the king of speed. Back to up. Im david gura. Moments from now joe kennedy will officially announce hell be running. You see him walking to a place in east boston where hes going to make the announcement. Hes a member of one of the most historical political families. Hes been laying a foundation for a run. That set up a poll. It puts him at 35 to 26 for senator ed markey. Joining us now, kimberly. Kimberly, let me ask you, why is joche kennedy doing this . Hes young, 38 years old. Markey is 73 years old, got to congress a few years back. Why does he see this as his moment to enter the race . I think because he can is the best answer. Look. There are a bunch of ambitious politicians out of massachusetts, and there are few opportunities for them to move up. This is an Election Year for the senate. You have someone like markey who is well liked. Kennedy doesnt have qualms with markey, doesnt mention him in his Campaign Video, but this is a race he can run, and if he wants to be a senator, ed markey, his biggest problem is he has a significant amount of massachusetts voters who either dont know him or dont have an opinion of him, and you have someone who is a kennedy who has that name recognition and you have polls like that. I think he saw this as a shot, and hes taking it. Lets dip in and listen to what the congressman is having to say in east boston. [ cheers and applause ] it is so yes, buddy. It is extremely meaningful to me to be able to do this and announce this here where in 1848 a few steps from where this building is today my fathers family first arrived here in this country. Patrick kennedy came fleeing oppression, starvation, and he arrived here with literally nothing. He married a woman named bridget murphy. She ended up getting a store just down the road here over on border street. Patrick passed away young from cholera. And from sheer force of will and with the help of a community, she kept that family together. Her son owned a local saloon, became a ward boss, and served in the state senate. His son, my great grandfather, was born a few blocks from here on meridian street. His son served this neighborhood in congress and then went on to serve as president of the United States. [ clapping ] i want to turn to you. It only took a minute before he referenced the former president of the United States. The kennedy name still has a lot of resonance. We saw a few moments ago of ed markey alongside Alexander Cass y i think were in an interchange. Kimberly will note the political culture of this space better than i do. There are two other people in this race. Theres Steve Pemberton whos in this race, shann lease reirden whos in this race. Theres something going on behind the scenes and the diversity in the democratic party. So theres a sense where alexander ocasiocortez has made it clear she supports markey. Kennedys making a move here, but theres something underneath this election or this campaign that actually speaks to the fissures within the party. The dccc isnt acting well here. Theres some stuff we need to get to. Im particularlien intere intd in the story. The president has teed up the reporter. Kimberly atkins, respond to what he just said about the deeper fissures. I think the professor is right. We have seen in massachusetts. I noma is a place where voters are happy to, a, vote out an incumbent that they like, and we saw that in the race with Ayanna Pressley beating out mike capuano, and were seeing a state especially in and around boston within route 128 where the population is changing and there are a lot of people of more color and more immigrants. I think thats why well hear from joe kennedy. He picked boston for a reason. He talked about his family emigrating there and leading a political dynasty and says other people coming to this country should have that same opportunity. His Campaign Video was released in part in spanish. Hes really playing up the fact that he wants to put immigration as an issue front and center. And im told he will tout his support for disenfranchised communities throughout his campaign. Ed markey is standing on the other side of aoc and talking about Climate Change. How closely are you watching seth moulton and Ayanna Pressley as well . Are they likely to make endorsements . Im told by both camps theyre staying out of this one. Theyre important because theyre the last two people to oust people in massachusetts. You see jochen d i declaring his candidacy for president in massachusetts. The 2020 hopefuls are smartening their pitches. Its the famous iowa steak fry where 17 candidates will flip steaks and rally and make speeches to the faithful. Vaughn hillyard is there. Talk about the scandal surrounding the president and the ukraine. I imagine thats going to come up. What are you expecting to hear from daenlts in polk county today . Reporter anybody who has been to coachella would take issue comparing this to coachella. Someone just yelled this is better than coachella. For iowa, this is their coachella. Theres one Campaign Official who explained to me, the way he put it, this is the beginning of the fourth quarter. Were 135 days away from the iowa caucus. To give you an idea, 17 of the president ial candidates will be here in des moines. I want to set you up. This is the polk county steak fry that start 40d years ago. Hartman started it when he retired in 2014. Polk county took it over. Thats what leads us here today. The candidates, you can see, quite now theres quite a bit of empty green space, but youre going see this park area get filled with cars. Beyond the horizon line, the candidates are going to be addressing their rally crowds. Theyre going to be coming in here. To be clear, theyre not frying their steak. Theyre grilling their steak. You see the activists, organizers across iowa come in here. You see Pete Buttigieg standing here. This is sort of a very celebratory event. And as you said, the interesting part of it this year is there are very, very serious issues taking place in washington, d. C. Well be catching the candidates throughout the morning, david, having serious conversations while all of this happens behind us. Shannon, have you been to this before . I have not. Im so jealous. Im based at the white house. Im watching vaughn right now and im like i need to get out to iowa for two weeks because i was just reminded this week by a very good democratic strategist. Throw out the national polls. Stop looking at those. Everything will change. What we see nationally, like vaughn is probably seeing out there, this sort of energy and environment. Someone talked about beto orourke has good ground game. 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Reporter thats right, david, and obviously the financial arm of it has been going on for quite some time now as the United States says they have imt posed some of the harshest sanctions any country has put on iran. It has. Made them buckle. Its made them dig in even deeper and become more defiant, more bilge rent. Iran said theyre not going to return to the negotiating table until all of those sanctions are removed. And now with the deploemt of these troops, its 500 or 600 troops. Lets be very clear. Theyre not going to be battle troops who can invade iran. Nonetheless it sparked fury in iran. He was surrounded by drones that iran alleges they have that they have downed as well as iranianmade missiles. And he made some very, very fiery comments. He said that whoever wants their country to be a battleground, then so be it, let the games begin, a clear reference to saudi arabia and the uae. He vowed not to let the battle get dragged into iran. He said that theyre willing to punish their enemy and they wont until they do so. Shannon pettypiece, catch us up to date on what the president is thinking. What is the path forward . Whats being considered as you look at a white house that does not have a National Security adviser and it does have a new National Security adviser that a new defense secretary, we should note, acting director of National Intelligence. You have knows pieces in play. It shoes, what can you do, without getting interarmed military conflict, which this administration wants to avoid for many reasons. Of course, the president ran on a campaign to get us out of wars. He would like not to get us into another one. Hes been very milk about that. Its always turned into rogue leaders getting sanctions. Sanction, sanction, savings. Theres not much more they can do. Its been tightened to capacity. They threw another one on iran. They say, whats the impact on this one . What can you do next . Send a few troops over, make some noise, shake things up in tehran a little bit, but the risk here is with each step, you run closer to a risk of miscalculation where all of a sudden this turns from a faceoff into an actual conflict, and thats the risk here. When this initially happened, there was speculation that this oil complex was going to be out of commission for months. Your sense of the import of that event itself and how that is shaping the calculations of being in the white house. Yeah. Whats fascinating, what is our objective with iran . What else has changed . Looking from the Obama Administration to now, weve lost a lot of allies or alienated them. At the same point as shannon pointed out, were dealing with saudi arabia at the same time. Why have we always been in the region . Thats part of the oil. Were an oil exporter. The next layer is were redeploying troops back, which is one of the impetus for a group called al qaeda 20, 30 years ago. If youre trying to avoid war and you dont have allies, it becomes a place where iran has great strength. They can push us and nudge us and try to force us into a war. And then you see the president saying to saudi arabia, weve got your backs, saudi arabia, were lock and loaded. Were playing in dangerous waters with National Security advisers, someone new in charge. Whats the check, the balance, the goal . I dont know. The carousel goes around. Help us understand the iranache objectives. Zarif using his favorite bteam hashtag saying those sanctions show desperation. Preventing the bank from providing food and medicine for our people. And the b team, the return to negotiation. What does zarif want as he comes to new york today . I think irans new policy now is not to show restraint. They had shown a fair degree of lulls. That didnt yield results. Now theyre being more aggressive in their approach and theyre thinking that might bring the u. S. 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Indeed, you saw statements from the House Speaker and the house Intelligence Committee to this effect, that this is a bridge beyond, i guess you could say. I somewhat agree with neil and george. You look at the time line. It happened after the appearance on the hill on july 24th. President trump called the ukrainian president to investigate bind eight times. Its emboldened by the fact he welcomed foreign interference once before and he got away with it and that told him to do it again. Theres Something Else they write as well. Trumps actions here are actually more serious than any of those exposed in the mueller report, and i would add one thing on top of that. The response needs to be more urgent. It largely was conduct that occurred in the past. Its occurring in realtime. Were in the middle of trumps reelection campaign. We have a little over 14 months to go before the election. If trump gets away with this and trieses to use his power. What do you think hes going to do the next 14 months . Is he going to stop . Back down . Of course not. Hes only going to ramp up. They sat down with nancy pelosi yesterday for an interview and asked her about the possibility of sitting for the president. Our founders could never suspect that a president would be so abusive of the constitution of the United States, that the separation of powers would be irrelevant to him than he would co, any president would continue to withhold facts from the congress, which part of the constitutional right of inquiry. So, shannon delineated early on. The strategy. What she did not say is part of that playbook includes the fecklessness of democrats, the fact that were not moving, that the democrats are not moving. Theres a wonderful line. When the laws are no longer executed by the corruption of the public, the state is lost. Here we have a man who thinks hes unbound by the state of law. Nancy pelosi is so concerned about maintaining the majority, her speakership, that she and the cob, the democratic party, theyre not in some ways exercising their constitutional responsibility. Theyre absolutely right. Were at a crisis, but weve been there for a while. They need to step up. Ill go to you, shannon, on this point, someone foresaw or wanted to see a separation of powers. Republicans see the democrats in the boy who cried impeachment. Theres a number of things democrats have brought up that the president should be impeached for. Heres another one. Democrats cant beat us in the election, the only thing they have is to impeach us. Thats the only thing. It muddies the water and confuses people. Until this point when was impeachment of the president ever discussed . Back in the 1990s with bill clinton is the only memory. So theres constant talk of impeachment this and impeachment that which plays into fatiguing which i think for the republicans they hope plays in their favor. 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They came to a striking conclusion at the end. Ultimately we combined our notebooks with common sense and came to believe an utterly human narrative that they were mistreated by Brett Kavanaugh as a teenager. That kavanaugh over the next 35 years became a better person. We come to this unsatisfying conclusion based on the facts as we found them. They join me here in new york. Let me turn to you first, robin on that. I think a lot of people look at this book and learn what they learned about it. It is such an informative book about the cultural book. Tell us about that paragraph, what you wanted to get from this investigation. I think we felt these events flew by in a way that was hard to make sense of them. So we wanted to come back and look at the contact characters in more detail. We found it complicated. Sort of the messy middle which is that, you know, there is were these extremes painted about the people at the time and actually we do found there is corroborating evidence for these allegations from high school but we also get a fuller picture of who this person is as a justice and as what he was like as a person growing up. You get that and kate, i want to ask you about the principles of the story, when you look at christine blasi ford. Speak to their awareness and the political implications of what they were doing. This was a process that consumed them as soon as it began and they werent aware of what was taking place. Interestingly enough, Christine Ford she grew up in washington and sort of inseed the beltway and her parents and brothers still live in the area and are still very money part of that culture. She is not. She moved to the west coast for graduate school and never came back. She got teaching positions so although shes an incredible intellectual and very aware of social and political issues i think she had no idea how partisan and how kind of toxic really the dialog is in washington these days and how even somebody thats coming forward with information that they think is relative regardless of politics and affiliations can be sucked into that vortex. I think she was shocked and dismayed by what happened when she brought the information forward and she tried to keep it private until the very last minute when the narrative was coming out of her control and it was either come forward and speak or not at all. Debra ramirez not part of that world at all. That was one reason why the alleged experience with Brett Kavanaugh, her freshman year would be indecent exposure with souza painful for her because she was already feeling like a fish out of water. But she is living in boulder, colorado, definitely not of this world and someone flew an airplane with a danner casting dispersions on her credibility and saying kavanaugh was the believable one. So even yesterday theres this rush to talk about everybodys perspecti perspective. Their respective corners and political affiliations as opposed to the facts. Let me ask you what this says about where we are and over this last year and you both write that you recognize the fact that people have their views of this, of the justice himself and how this all played out. What does that tell you . Going into that project with that vantage, where we are cultur culturally. I think this experience of a year ago and even now with our book coming out you see this is such a polarized moment in our country. As well as there is a heightened sensitivity of Sexual Misconduct because of the me too movement and people are seeing what they want to see in this story. When we go to our book maybe they open their minds a little bit more and evaluate this in a fact based way and go a little deeper. Can i have one quick one . I mean, whats interesting is one reaction that weve seen coming out is idea that we should take a look at the fbi investigation that was so short and limited in scope which we have a lot more detail on in the book and the idea of whether or not youre for or against Justice Kavanaugh being on the court and having been concerned this sort of inquiry into this past behavior, sort of the process of doing that research and trying to get to truth was count truncated and unsatisfying to all. That seems to be a message that we she would some light on as well. Thank you very much for joining us this morning. Coming up next hour, joy reid recounting all the impeachable offenses against donald trump and why she says it doesnt get worse than this. Sat doesnt get worse than this. Raise your steins to the king of speed. 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If somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent, oh, i think id want to hear it. Did you discuss joe biden with his family . It doesnt matter what i discuss. Welcome to a. M. Joy. We are now getting closer to understanding the credible and urgent matter that compelled a senior level member of the Intelligence Community to become a whistle blower and sound the alarm about donald trump. Through the wall street journal we know now that the president in a july phone call