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Was wearing body armor. The ohio shooting following another shooting in texas, at a Walmart Supercenter in el paso. Police are working through the night. The governor of texas says the el paso shooting will be prosecuted as a hate crime. First, to el paso, texas, where morgan is standing by. Bring us up to speed. Good morning. An active scene here in el paso, where this took place. The shooting was in this walmart, about 50 yards behind me. Thats where police say the man began making his way inside that building, shooting people rowbyrow. We heard from cashier who said, it sounded like someone was dropping large boxes inside the building, only to realize her Worst Nightmare was coming true. We heard various stories of that, as people realized what was happening inside the store. On the other hand, there were people that had nowhere to go. With School Coming up next week here in texas. Instead, they had to take cover wherever they could, as the gunman made its way through the building. 20 people are dead, 26 others injured. The gunman was taken without incident. He did not fire on police nor did he take his own life or injure himself in any way. He is cooperating with police at this time. He is undergoing questioning, as they hope to piece together a motive in this case. One thing very much under investigation, is an essay, the accused shooter posted online. Or was thought to be posted about a halfhour before this took place. It was antigovernment in nature. That was the reasoning behind this shooting. On lockdown, while Police Gather evidence. Tragically, some of the bodies are still inside this walmart. You have a lot of family members in this area, that dont know the status of their loved ones. Forced to see that texas grieves today, as they cope with another mass shooting. Morgan, as of yesterday, police thought the screen that was posted on the internet, you talked about, was linked to the shooter. Now, they believe more strongly than they did last night, that is the case. It was posted an anonymous site. The governor said this will be prosecuted as a hate crime. Capital murder with a nexus to a hate crime. Were comfortably in this case this was a White Nationalist domestic terror incident . Were waiting to hear updates from authorities here in a few short hours. According to the Court Website here, capital murder charges have been filed against the accused gunman. They intend to prosecute this as a hate crime and they give you an update. Ali . The shooter surrendered to police in and around that walmart. Do we know whether the shooter is talking . All authorities are saying he is under questioning. Saying he was taken into custody without incident. I would like to give perspective here, as for the el paso area. Over the past decade, this city has averaged 16 murders a year. And keep in mind, yesterday, that number was shattered in a few minutes. One of many things thats tough for people to wrap their heads around as they try to make their way forward. Morgan, in el paso, texas. Hans nickel hnichols. We heard from the president late last night. It was the second time he commented on this. What has he said about this, given we have the motivation of the shooter . We could have an update in two minutes. I was told that an update would be forth coming from the white house. Th we initially had the president calling in acts of cowardice. In the past, its been what is the right tone to strike . Typically that comes from twitter. And the other calculus for any white house, is when or how to visit other locations. With this president , he visited the mosque in pittsburgh and went out to las vegas. He gave it a couple of days. President obama did the same thing, when he went to newtown, connecticut. Thats the calculus likely taking place right now. We heard from Pete Buttigiegs simple tweet saying, how many more . And i suspect we will hear more from the Democratic Candidates. Ali . Pete buttigieg talking about White Nationalism. Beto orourke talking about the fact in a the president is a racist and contributes to an environment which people get violent. Amy klobuchar talking making references to the tone that is set from the top from the president. When the second tweet was last night. He was more direct than some people thought he would be. He was condemning killing people. But this is a difficult line for the president to walk. When there is something motivated by hate, including in charlottesville, virginia. The president has direct difficult with condemnation of it. He is a racist. He stokes racism in this country. It doesnt just not offend our sensibilities. It changes the character of this country. And it leads to violence. The fact is, that the president continues to have difficulty with directly addressing this. Is there an opportunity that reporters will have, to talk to the president and get the necessary condemnation from him, for this fact that it looks like White Nationalism. There is a possibility. He can speak when he arrives in washington. He will likely leave today. He seeks out the dress in moments like these. We should note that the president does come to the cameras frequently. I suspect well have an opportunity today. He suggested he should do. An Interesting Development to watch throughout the day. Hans, thanks. Hans is outside of bedminster, where the president is staying. After the first reports yesterday, before we knew much was going on, the president sent out a standard tweet condemning the action. Later he sent out specific language, saying no ideology is worth killing people for. Through the day, its about 20 minutes before, 29 minutes before, police first got there. Something was posted online. Police are calling it a manifesto by the shooter, without a specific location. But suggesting in past tense, this sort of shooting has happened or attack has happened. They were not able to, in the amount of time, piece together, where this attack was happening. But they were able to figure out that something was going to happen. They werent able to stop it from happening. We have a white house statement. I want to go back to hans. One of the president s aides says the president has been briefed and is monitoring the situation in ohio. This is the First White House statement we have on the situation in ohio. The president has been briefed. This seems like a place holder statement. I suspect were likely to hear from the president , if past is any precedent, he might make a statement on twitter, as well. This is the others shooting that occurred overnight. Nine people are dead and 26 injured in a mass shooting that took place in the oregon district, in downtown ohio. In this particular instance in ohio, the shooter was shot and killed by responding officers very quickly, in fact. Less than a minute. Police say they are only aware of one shooter right now. Nine People Killed there, 20 People Killed in el paso, texas. Were covering both stories for you. Mass shootings in the United States, in the span of 24 hours, here on msnbc. Our special coverage continues after this. Continues after this Highway Safety rates vehicles for safety, and some reach a level of top safety pick. But only a select few of the very safest vehicles are awarded a top safety pick plus. The highest level of safety possible. How many 2019 top safety pick pluswinning vehicles does your brand have . One. Two. How about eight . Subaru has more 2019 top safety pick plus awards than honda and toyota brands combined. 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Joining us is gina ortiz jones, a candidate for texas 23rd district, that includes parts of el paso. Thank you for being with us. Whats your sense of how one moves forward with this, in a place like texas, where the governor was talking about Mental Health protections. We dont know about the Mental Health of the shooter. But that tends to be a goto in a place where people are reluctant to talk about anything that sounds like gun control. Good morning. Thank you for having me. And my heart goes out to the families and the loved ones that are grieving because they lost somebody, and they were hurt by somebodys tragedy. We know the answer to this. Certainly, theres parts of this that are Mental Health. We need to make sure that weapons of war are not on our streets. Im an air force veteran, an iraq war veteran. I was trained in the m4, which is an assault rifle. I went through a background check. I went through significant amount of training to make sure i could handle the weapons safely and everyone around me felt safe, as well. We know how to fix this. We need moscow mitch to bring up the house bill that was passed and take steps to make ourcouni. No one should fear being shot in our churches, our schools, our streets. We need leaders with the moral courage to get it done. Lets talk about the hate crime part of this. The alleged shooter posted something about an hour before, when police discovered it. Less than an hour before the attacks. This is a new category of crime. Its one we had for a long time. Were starting to understand the intersection of people afreedom speech and the First Amendment and the internet, and the people with the remarkably powerful weapons. How do you think about this . This is a similar discussion after 9 11, with Public Security and free speech rights. How do we deal with those things . Words matter. We have to call it what it is. This was a domestic terrorism attack. We have to use those words because thats what were confronting. And somebody that worked in National Security for nearly 15 years, you know, i know exactly how important it is, that we call it by what it is, so we can address these problems. This starts at the top, though. When he ran, the president was talking about mexicans and not sending their best and brightest and calling them rapist and what not. Hes continued that language, the dehumanizing language, thats led to instances like weve seen today. We need a leader that makes sure were going to reflect the dignity and our values as we have as a country. It includes insuring everyone is treated and spoken about with respect and dignity. Gina ortiz jones, thank you for joining us. Well stay in close touch with you as this develops. Gina ortiz jones was and will be a democratic candidate for congress in the el paso area. Want to go to cal perry, who joins us from mexico city. Last i spoke to you, we learned about mexican nationals that were injured in that attack. Yeah. Those numbers are the same. We heard three mexican nationals killed in yesterdays shooting. Another six wounded. Those numbers as they go through and sort out who was involved in this shooting. Its important that we explain to our viewers. This city of el paso was part mexican. It is on the u. S. mexico border. It has a sister city, juarez. 20,000 people cross between the two cities every day. This walmart was full of not only mexican citizens, but undocumented folks, as well. After the shooting, there was a concern about how to help people through this situation. We had the aid organizations who had been helping with the migrant crisis jump in. There were a number of events around el paso. Well see that today. There is a vigil this afternoon. It will be a multinational vigil. As you were saying, this is so much more than a story in the u. S. This is a story in mexico, as well. The pages here, in mexico, have headline s like mexicans murded in hate crime. When you read the articles, its very much about americas gun problem. And what the country is dealing with when it comes to immigration and race. This is something that mexico understands all too well. This is something that the Mexican Government cracks down on migrants. This is how this story is viewed here, through that lens. That lens of migration, immigration, hate crime, domestic terrorism and a gun problem. That is very much on the mind of people here in mexico today. Yeah. When you compare the writings of the alleged shooter, i want to go to may and donald trump talking about this is an invasion. You have 20,000 people, thats an invasion. I was criticized using the word invasion. Its an invasion, folks, its crazy. And they say the wall would help. Someone in the crowd shouted out, shoot them. And donald trump laughed. Thats only in the panhandle you can get away with that statement. People you have spoken to, cal, worry about the fact that a place like el paso, majority hispanic population. Many mexicans. Many americans of mexican heritage. Its a perfect target to drive from the suburbs to el paso. He uses a similar language, an invasion of nonamericans into his white country. Yeah. I circled it. Hispanic invasion. They have it from the manifesto and are citing it directly. When we cover the stories in el paso and juarez, and a week ago thursday, an as example of how the two interact. We visited a shelter in juarez in the morning and el paso in the afternoon. When we do stories, we do not share the location of the shelters because the organizers who are trying to help mi gragr on other sides of the border, have been fearful of the attack, at a high grant center. It targets migrants. This is something that is now in the national consciousness. This is something that is clearly a front page issue in countries around this hemisphere. Its something that the countries have to face up to. It found itself caught up in this political debate. Unfortunately now, its marked by a city that is in the spotlight for the migration issue, and also few gun violence, ali. Remarkable that the city had 18 murders last year, and as of last night, another 20. Cal, thanks very much. Ill keep coming back to you. I want to go to the other story, the one in dayton, ohio, the shooting downtown, that left 9 people dead and 26 injured. Anthony reynolds was a witness to last nights shooting and joins us now. Anthony, tell us what you saw last night. Hectic. It was chaotic. It was scary. I kind of ran and tried to yell to as many people and warn them we had a shooter going on, as possible. Where were you when you first understood that something was going on . I had just left the bar and was in the line going down to the club. What did you see . As we get toward the end of the line, you hear it. You dont see anything first. We hear the gunshot. And as we looking around, to see whats going on, you hear another gunshot. Thats when you after that, you hear the rapid fire. Thats when we realized what was going on. I had people i had my cousin with me. When i turned around, thats how i was able to see the people in the line get shot. You could see those people falling. Thats when we, you know, hauled it out of there, and was yelling to people that it was a mass shooter. Have you ever experienced that before . No. Usually no problems and its a safe place. What does that do to you . One of the things were talking about, the tragedy of nine people being killed in dayton last night and 20 being killed in el paso. We dont think that those who are not victims of the gunshot, but those who saw it and how it makes them think about gun violence and safety in society. People that experienced it and got away. That has to be scary for you. Yeah. It makes you fearful. We knew what happened in texas earlier that day. But it didnt make me prepare myself for a possible shooting. You never know when somebody might come and do Something Like that. Everybody, you know your loved ones . Everybody accounted for . Yes. All my loved ones, friends of my neighborhood and friends of people that i know, a couple people i know, dispass away. Im sorry to hear that. Whats your sense when you lose people to Something Like this, about what you would like to hear . What would you like to see done . Theres thoughts and prayers as is always the case after these shootin shootings. But shthoughts and prayers are t bringing your loved ones back. Dialogue is fine. We need to put things in motion that will change these gun laws and things that help and assist. I believe its more that can be done in a proper time and prepare citizens, you know, for the Police Forces and things to be prepared for things like this. Anthony, thank you for joining me. Im glad you are safe from this and able to talk to me this morning. Im sorry what you were able to go through. And im sorry you suffered with people that you know in the attack last night. Anthony reynolds was a witness to the shooting. More of msnbcs breaking News Coverage out of el paso and dayton after this. After this. This was me before liberty mutucustomized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. And this is me now any physical changes to this mans appearance are purely coincidental. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Joining me now, nbc news medical correspondent, dr. John torres. John, were awaiting a press conference from del sol Medical Center. They received 11 of the patients last night in el paso. I spoke to the ceo of the Hospital Group last night. Its a level 2 Trauma Center. Tell me what a level 2 Trauma Center means and what sort of wounds and injuries they would have been treating. The ceo said everyone they saw was a gunshot wound. We have Trauma Centers, level 1 to level 4. They have general surgeons waiting and they are ready to go and ready to take care of mass casualties. It goes down to level four. In each level, theres less an less of the ability of them to take care of people immediately. A level 2 Trauma Center, almost as robust. They need a little time to get everybody activated. Once they get everybody moving, it becomes like a level 1 Trauma Center, where everything gets taken care of. More than likely in situations like this, theyre taking care of severe injuries. These are militarytype weapons with militarytype ammunition. If itextremity, it breaks the bones and causes bleeding. And level 2 Trauma Centers. Any of the Trauma Centers will be ready to take care of them. The higher the level, able to take care of more people in an expeditious fashion. One thing we heard clearly, was a call for blood donations. And the response to that was amazing. We were showing video of people lined up, in front of donation centers, and other people bringing them food and drinks. When i spoke to the ceo of the hospital, he was explaining that they still need blood because of massive transfusions, which means that an individual, a patient, can need more blood than they would normally have in their body. Exactly. Sometimes they stop the leading and other episodes. They need blood over the next day or two. Many more people died because of what happened there. They put out a message saying, we need blood here. Not just today or tomorrow, but over the weeks. They do damage control surgery. They fix what is immediately lifethreatening. Then, they correct is surgeries because of the injuries they have. They will need blood for that, as well. On top of that, summer is a busy month because of accidents and other things. The red cross sends out notices saying, we need blood. They will say, we need more blood. Thats a contribution that people can make, right . When you feel things are helpless and theres nothing you can do, giving blood is something you can do. This was an ak47style weapon, not used for hunting. Not used for home defense. A weapon that can inflict remarkable damage on people. Not just the size of the round but the velocity of the bullet and what it does to the human body. When you hear ak47, and ar15, think of the videos of people in iraq or afghanistan, carrying these around. These are militarytype weapons and they are designed to inflict maximum damage and be lethal. When they go to the body, they have so much energy and bones and other parts of the body. Theyre designed to inflict maximum damage. When somebody goes in and does these things, that causes the problems. Lets go to the press conference now. A tragic series of events in the last 24 hours. Im proud of the amazing care givers at del sol, and what were doing beyond the acute phase, the eommergent phase, afr the shooting. The adrenaline rush of that. The real care is happening. And the 11 victims weve received, continue to progress. Im going to ask our trauma medical director to share more about those patients. Dr. Flaherty . Good morning, everybody. My name is steven flaherty. Im the trauma director here at del sol Medical Center. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families, El Paso Community, our colleagues across town taking care of similar patients. Our colleagues across the country in ohio, doing through the same processes. We had 11 patients come to us yesterday. They ranged in age from 35 to 82 years old. Eight are in stable condition. Many of them are in critical condition. We brought patients to the o. R. That received a variety of procedures from a number of specialties. Some of them undergoing procedures by multiple specialties during the same setting. We anticipate that patients will need to return to the operating room over the course of today and next week. Perhaps one or more times. I would like to give you insight to the care and how we have been positioned to provide care to these patients. Their care begins at the site it takes an entire system of care to provide survival to patients who are injured acutely and suddenly. The care begins at the site, by friends, family members, bystanders. Were grateful for the stop the bleed course, thats been developed, promulgated by the American College of surgeons and has been taught successfully throughout the El Paso Community by the courses they have put out. Thousands of people have been treated in maneuvers, at such a site as happened yesterday. Its important to recognize that emts and paramedics. The men and women of the el paso fire department. Providing care at the point of injury, starting their successful journey through the medical system. Getting these patients to us alive. Delta Medical Center is a Trauma Center. This hospital has established itself through the guidelines set forth of the American College of surgeons, and the state of texas, to meet a higher standard of preparation for availability of resources. Its a tremendous commitment put forth by hca health care and del sol Medical Center. So, were ready to take care of a trauma situation. When faced with mote ifnotifica that a large number of patients are coming, it changes the situation. Immediately, we begin the triage process. Whats going on in our operating room . Who really needs to be there . Can we be ready for the first patients who are going to arrive . We started that process, as soon as we had confirmation of injured patients at the scene that were coming here. We have to be prepared for the number of providers it would take to provide their care. Its incredible how people came from home on their days off. Dropped whatever they were doing and came here. Doctors, nurses, support staff, everybody came to del sol Medical Center, to do their job and help us provide care. We had Community Surgeons come to the hospital on their day off. We had a surgeon come over to assist us. Del sol Medical Center has a unique relationship to the United States army, in its coordination of care, with the providers, the surgeons. They have, of course, the requirement to deploy. And their work over here on a regular basis. Several of them came to the hospital yesterday to help us. Were grateful for the support. This will be ongoing throughout the week. It was a long night, a long day. I know that the Blood Centers in town, had a tremendous response to the community. People coming out, offer to donate blood. Extremely critical. Thats the lifesaving force that we give to people. Theres no value putting salt water into a patient thats bleeding blood. The teams will be busy. All the nurses, the support 1 6 staff, the anesthesiologists, our medical colleagues came from all points in the hospital to say, how can we help you, as we were taking care of these patients yesterday. Were extreme lly grateful for their assistance and support, in the care of the patients throughout yesterday. I will turn it over to you, david. I think the comments that Governor Abbott and mayor margot made about el paso as a community, resonated. And i dont know that they were felt stronger anywhere than here at del sol Medical Center. The team of care providers that came together for these pare patients, was nothing short of exceptional. We anticipate one of those patients being discharged today, as some of the other stable patients, as they wake up, as we assess their situation. Well evaluate when they can go home. Were keeping the thoughts and prayers of everyone specifically for those most critically injured patients and their families. Happy to open this up to questions. Yes . Considering the type of weapon that we believe to have been used, can you speak to any of the wounds . Or can you talk about how many people have been shot multiple times . Can you speak to the specifics of some of the treatments and some of the wounds seen by the ser surgical teams . I cant speak to the specifics. Were treating the individual patients for the needs they have. Do you know, weve heard from some families or people who may still be looking for family members. Do you know if all of the patients here have been in contact with families or have in some way had their families notified in. Yes. All of the patients here that was a difficult process. Patients were coming with no identification. They were completely unconscious and our ability to identify them was not an easy thing. We were able to work with all of the families and were able to identify all of the patients. You answered that you are trained to respondle this. But when you see the large number of patients, what is going through your mind as you react to that . Its a difficult situation. And training is critical helping to shape that response. Its important for everybody to understand theres an entire infrastructure that prepares for these kinds of events. We recently had an exercise where we did a mock drill of what would we have done if there was an active shooter in the city . How would the patients be responded and how would the hospital respond . We brought people into the hospital to do a dry run of a situation just like that before. We have been through this before. As you know, when this happens for real and its not just an exercise, theres a lot of feelings and emotions that go into it, that is hard to prepare for. And i think what we do is we focus on our job. We try to rely on that concept of muscle memory. Okay, i did this before. This is what i was trained to do. This is where i go. This is what im supposed to do. When the patients are there in front of you, theres an overtone. And we have to do what we need to do for the patient at the time. Take some time to think about it. The entire Health Care Team really needs to go through that process of understanding the emotional reaction, just a little later. We have those people that can talk to the staff and understand and talk through that process. How are the teams doing in terms of sleep in were a lot of them up working on patients . And what kind of rotation are they on, trying to get rest . The staff generally work in shifts of 12 hours. The physicians i think dr. Flaherty had an hour and a half worth of sleep. You look good for that. Generally speaking, the teams are rotating through, making were all of the victims gunshot victims . Im not certain. I know that one of them was had fallen. I dont believe that individual suffered a gunshot wound but had injuries we had to treat. Theres reports that some patients may have been hesitant to seek treatment because of immigration status. I was wondering if you were aware of that. And what would you say to those patients . If somebody is injured, we will take care of anyone. Thats our mission, to provide care to anybody that needs care. Thats a responsibility and an obligation. And so, undocumented citizen or not, were going to do everything we can to make sure were providing Exceptional Care for them. You say you went through the dry runs before. How do you talk with the others . Did you take in the victims or did you coordinate how many you can take . Theres a system that helps to organize that. Theres an organization that is responses and trauma. It has a a center that stands um, just as an Emergency Response Center Stands up here at the hospital. That is communicated as high as it needs to go. Theres information shared about number of beds available. Blood units available, operating rooms available. And theres a Communications Network that helps distribute that information between hospitals and to the emss c agencies that are involved, to get the patient to the right amount of resources, where its available. Im sure david can talk about that, about Emergency Operation centers and how those communications are worked out. And the communication that happens, ceotoceo, as well as through the state. Weve been listening to steven flaherty, the medical director of trauma at del sol Medical Center in el paso, texas, that received 11 patients from the shooting yesterday. I want to bring dr. John torres into this conversation. You and i were talking earlier they use call for blood. That blood. He was talking about the triage prior to the first patient eval in treatment in the hospital, at that moment, saying who needs to be in the operating room . Who can be postponed and who can be put out . The ceo with whom i spoke yesterday, and dr. Flaherty, said they trained for it. They are ready for one or two trauma patients. But they had the supplies and the staffing to deal with this. Thats one of the main thins they do. They learn to take care of these in the controlled chaos situation. And triage is something they practice over and over again. Not just in the hospital. But in the prehospital scene. The cars and patients that you didnt know about. If this happens and you havent trained for it, it turns into a situation where theres patients everywhere and patients who need care might not get it. Lets take care of the most patients in the at least amount of time. What do we need to do to save their lives . And get them where they need to go . The operating room, the emergency room and work down the list of patients who need care. Somebody who is going to die in two minutes needs quicker care. You need to take care of people at the appropriate time in the appropriate situation. Thats what triage does. What he eluded to, we have a saying in the military. No plan survives the First Casualty. Once the First Casualty comes in, youre relying on the muscle memory and doing the best you can at that time. Important message that the ceo of the hospital made. I spoke to him yesterday. The fear that there would have been mexican nationals and undocumented immigrants in a place like that. Some of them are fearful of seeking medical care for fear they will get into the system. Thats one of the mandates of the emergency room. Regardless of status, we treat everyone on their needs. Thats the important thing for them to understand. Were not policemen. Were not going to report them and say this person might not be here legally, take care of them. Were going to take care of their needs. The stop the bleed program. People at the scene, sometimes authorities cant get in there. Emts cant take care of people. People need to take care of themselves. Its not a stop the bleed program, i encourage people to take a First Aid Program to learn the basics. We may need to do a segment on that separately, what the stop the bleed program is and how they can do that if theyre in a place that can do that on the Mass Shootings. 216th day of the year today, and weve had 250 Mass Shootings. Beto orourke headed back to el paso. On the plane he med up with a family. He said, el paso is a community that shows up for one another, on our best days and worst. I met rosemarys family on the plane back to el paso. They asked that we visit her and share her story. She was shot in the chest but is doing well after surgery. She is strong just like our city. Imagine that, being shot in the chest and surviving that with a highpowered militarystyle weapon. Our breaking coverage on the shootings in el paso and dayton will continue after this. Ton will continue after this t pipe. If you look close. T pipe. Jamie, are there any interesting photos from your trip . Ouch, okay. Huh, boring, boring, you dont need to see that. Oh, here we go. 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Im ali velshi, two American Cities in shock this morning at this hour, after two Mass Shootings in less than 24 hours. A gunman attacking a Walmart Supercenter in el paso, texas, killing at least 20 people. The suspect has been arrested and its being investigated as a hate crime. In dayton, ohio, nine People Killed there. That suspect is dead. Daytons. 223 caliber weapon wia highcapacity magazine and additional magazines. Heres the mayor speaking out in the last hour. I think that the police and our First Responders have done an amazing job. Clearly, the question has to be raised why does dayton have to be the 250th mass shooting in america . 250 . Thats the question. El paso was 249 and dayton was 250. El paso was 249 and dayton was 250. Were 216 days into 2019. Joining me now is texas state representative cesar blanco. Thank you for joining us. Weve been following your updates since last night in el paso. What is the situation that you got in el paso now . First of all, ali, our thoughts and prayers go to the victims and families in dayton. Thousands of miles separates us, but grief unites us. Stay strong, dayton. Were here today at the scene. Its unfortunate that these tape of tr type of tragedies continue to happen in our country. This is the walmart that many of my family, included, come to shop, and the mall. Most families are preparing for back to school. Here with the children. Here with the parents. Unfortunately, these gunmen reigned terror today. El paso, one of the safest cities according to the fbi. Its unfortunate on this sunday, that we are grieving and spending time with loved ones and families of the victims. How are you making sense of what happened here . Somebody came in from a dallas suburb, quite a distance to come in. And he had apparently posted messages of hate, expressed nationalist sentiments. Now, when you were with the governor, he was talking about this was something he had to think about in terms of Mental Health. We have no information about the gunmans Mental Health state. He had posted something that indicated White Nationalist sentiment. Are you satisfied that people in texas are taking this seriously, as a domestic terror incident, driven by White Nationalism . I think we are. There is an active investigation. I read the manifesto. There is hatred and racism, riddled in the manifesto. Its unfortunate and said. El paso is the modern ellis island. Immigrants come here because el paso is a beacon of hope for those distressed in our country, like new york city was in the early 1900s. It would be an easy target for the extrem we will continue to be a welcoming community for all immigrants around the world. And let them know that el paso is great because of our tradition. Our community i am the grandson of immigrants, who served in the military honorab e honorably. We will continue to be this kind of city regardless of these acts. For people who dont knnoel paso, theres a heartbeat of that city thats provided by both sides of the International Border in juarez and el paso. You pointed out, a safety story, and says, you know, when youre looking south from el paso, you dont know where el paso ends and juarez begins. Thats right, ali. The river separates el paso and juarez, our culture and familiar ties binds us. We would spend time with our aunts and uncles. We are a tightknit Brother Sister Community with mexico and juarez. So, it really defines us. It makes us a binational community, rich with culture and language and share with religion and festivals and such. This is a sad occurrence. Not just in the borderline region but throughout the country. We as officials must do more to ensure were protecting our families in this country. The dayton shooting was number 250 while el paso was 249. We have to do more. We have to have the courage to stand up and say no to these events and take action. Give me a sense. You can point to it where the border is and how close you are to mexico right now. I mean, right behind me, behind these buildings, you can probably see a mountain range. Thats mexico. My home is two miles south of here. Its literally across the street from the border. You can see the border wall behind my home. Its safe. Were a safe community. This fact of error in our community, has really been a shock to us. El paso, as i said earlier, is one of the safest in the country. This really gives us pause. Today is sunday and people are going to church. Ive received phone calls and messages from people that are fearful going to public places. I want to say to people all over the country, we will overcome this. We should not stop our regular lives because of these senseless acts. We must continue and be strong together. Sir, thank you for joining me. State representative cesar blanco of el paso. Thank you very much, sir. I want to go to Miguel Almaguer in el paso right now. What have you learned . Ali, good morning. The police chief is planning to hold a press conference in three hours time locally. The crime scene is being sweeped by investigators. The gunman walked in first in the parking lot before moving into the walmart. The walmart had 3,000 people inside. We spoke to survivors, who said they were with people who were elderly and young children, infants, not able to walk yet, among those victimized here. 20 people have been killed and 26 were wounded. A press conference a short time ago from hospital officials who say they are beginning to treat many of the wounded. But some are fighting for their lives. A touchandgo situation. One is 20yearold patrick cucisa. They have not laid out a motive. Hate after a racist manifesto online, is a possible motive. Thats something they looking into with federal authorities. They have not issued a motive. They say the gunman was arrested without a single gunshot fired by police. It took officers six minutes to get here, which is considered a Fast Response time. They got on scene and were able to engage the smt and get him to surrender, but not before 20 people were killed and 26 wounded, ali. Miguel, talk to me, if you can, about what this evolution is from a capital murder charge or capital murder charges, against this suspect, into what Governor Greg Abbott is talking about as a hate crime. We know he officially has been held on murder charges locally. If this is determined to be a hate crime, theres a federal charge that will be added on to that. The consequence will be severe. The death toll is high at 20 people. We know he is being charged by city and state officials here. Local police has that investigation. The charges would be much more serious if this is, in fact, connected to a federal hate crime. Miguel, thank you. Well come back to you for updated reporting from el paso. Updated reaction to the el paso shooting, from george p. Bush. He is the son of the former governor of florida. He has served in afghanistan. He says in part, quote, theres been multiple attacks from selfdescribed white terrorists here in the United States. This is a real and present threat. George is right, he says. Killing random civilians to spread a political message is terrorism. Fbi classifies it as domestic terrorism. But white terrorism is more preci precise. Many of the killers are lone wolf losers indoctrinated to hate through the internet, just like islamic terrorists. Clint watts and Jim Kavanaugh join me right now. Two of them were with me last night. Clint is a special agent who has dealt with terrorism. Jim of the atf. This is an interesting evolution in the conversation, to have the texas land commissioner and rod rosenstein, saying what you have been saying for some time. Theres something that matters, getting the public to understand. The danger of White Nationalist domestic terrorism is the greatest threat most people face right now. Clint . Thats right. This issue going to the election. President Trump Supporters were hot on militant extremism. They need to call it what it is. It is clear that we have a White Nationalism problem in this country. Weve seen repeated attacks. Were seeing attacks inspiring each other. This is a similar pattern. If we dont call it what it is, if we dont put the pieces together, we dont demonstrate that the attacks are related, were hindering the federal, state and local Law Enforcements ability to preempt the next attack. We need to network against them just like other terrorist groups. We built these task forces after 9 11. And we got better. Over the last decade, weve been preempting in a significant way in terms of terrorism. We saw this in 2016. We were worried about the ramadan attacks around the world. Those casualty numbers look like what weve seen in this country this week. Just this week, between gilroy, el paso, and with dayton. Similar patterns emerging. Youve seen the fbi do a great job, preempting many of these attacks. Theyre restricted in many ways for going to edit the same way. They dont have the legislation that allows them to be preempti preemptive. H they dont have to go into this, and you have to be in the online communities, detecting how the lone individuals are networking online, to radicalize each other, to plot and plan and distribute the manifestos. To set the next attack moving forward, they have to be in those spaces and in those spaces in a big way. We wont put a name on what it is. I think its great saying, this is what it is. Rod rosenstein just left this. He was seeing what happened on the inside. I appreciate him coming today and saying, lets get ahead of this. In fairness to the fbi and Law Enforcement, they are okay calling it what it is. Its a governmental problem for us to acknowledge what White Nationalism is. A point you have made, jim, theres been people writing the manifestos, trying to protect White America for for decades. Something is different about it now because of the speed and the community that can be built in the digital and the online world. Its the cyber world. Give us the cools, well finish the job. I would like to see the congress act to help federal agents that helped the police. I would like to see Congress Come in and say, were going to do the same thing domestically with atf and fbi. Were going to hire 100 cyber analysts and 100 more agents for atf and 100 more for the fbi. And we will hire more federal prosecutors. We will loosen up the rules and provide you with the sophisticated, technical equipment. Thats just the beginning. Were going to do something and look at the red flag laws, the firearms laws and not restrict the center for bz control from studying gun violence, which the gun lobby has done through legislation. Thats an unbelievable fact but true. The doctors in america cant study gun violence because the gun lobby has restricted it in their budget. Theyve restricted atf and many other things. I wont get into that. The important things to realize are that much can be done. But we have a senate that wont allow debate. There will be no bill. There will be no action. There will be no agents. There will be no cyber specialists. I predict there will be nothing. They wont do it. They wont stand up. Theyre wholly owned subsidia subsidiaries of the gun lobby. Theyre spineless. You can have a report that 1,000 people were killed. I dont think they move on it. They wouldnt move after new town. They wouldnt move after parkland. The jobs are for important than the lives, apparently. Clint and jim, thank you. We will check in with you later. Were going to take a quick break. Im going to talk to tom stier on the other side about why were not going to see the movement on this that americans are increasingly calling for. How do you like it more, more, more how do you like it, how do you like it all you can eat is back. How do you like that . Applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Experience our most advanced safety technologyto on our full line vehicles. Now at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. Lease the 2019 es 350 for 379 a month for 36 months and well make your first month payment. Experience amazing. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. I wish i could shake your hand. Granted. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. So far in the 2020 election, reducing gun violence has been the one issue that the majority of Democratic Candidates have spoken out on, with one voice. But congress has struggled to bypass a Republicancontrolled Senate to bypass reforms in the next level. My next guest is a late entry in the 2020 president ial race. He says that washington is beholden to correspondent interests and preserving the profits of gun manufacturers, at the expense of our children. Joining me now is tom stier. Im sorry i have to talk to you under these circumstances. You heard jim and clinton. Jim says, its not going to change. I remember covering new town and thinking, wow, they killed a bunch of children. Why has it been so strong, that the overwhelming majority of americans support stronger gun laws . This is a perfect example of our broken government. Corporations have bought the government. The reason the nra is so powerful is because of money. And the nra is controlled by gun manufacturers not by the members of the nra. You look at the numbers, 97 of remembers want mandatory background checks on every gun purchase. And we cant consider getting it through the center because the Republican Party is bought and paid for. This is as straightforward a case of broken government that youre going to see. Why is it that we have created a situation that is a protection rocket, really, for people in office. Typically republicans. But theres some democrats protected by it, as well. If you diverge from that at all. If it looks like youre thinking on gun session evolves, you lose to someone else that they will fund to run against you. Why is it that is so entrenched and so powerful . Republicans are scared theyre going to lose the money from the nra. Theyre worried that someone will primary them from the right thats more conservative than they are. It comes back to the money, ali. Can i make one more point . This is about broken government. As some of your previous guests have said, this is also political violence. White nationalist violence. And its impossible to look at this nexus of corporate money and it didnt just happen. If you look at what is going on in washington, d. C. , you can see a president who is stoking White Nationalism and political violence. And you can see a Republican Party led by mitch mcconnell, bought and paid for that is refusing to stand up and do the American Public overwhelmingly wants. This is a perfect example of failed government and racism, coming together into a toxic brew that is killing dozens of americans in two days. When people see these incidents and dont want gun control in the conversation, they talk about Mental Health. Identifying and treating Mental Health is something we have to deal with. Now, this is becoming about White Nationalism, now that some of this is becoming about domestic terrorism, and were hearing people like george p. Bush, the former governor of jeb bush, and heari ining rod rosenstein, and hearing the fbi, saying it, calling it by its name, will it affect the companies that use the nra as the front . Will they say i dont want to be associated with White Nationalism and domestic terrorism. Its not going to change them. We have to wait for the gun manufacturers come to their senses. We need to take control of this situation. Thats the whole basis for my run is we have a broken government. Corporations are doing things that are unconscionable, in pursuit of profits. This government is supposed to be of, by and for the people. And it is signaling failing intentionally failing, because its trying to serve its corporate masters. The Republican Party you mentioned, 251 mass killings this year. The closest country in the world is mexico, with three. Its the only country in the world that has one mass killing in 2019. We have 251. That suggests we have a broken structural government in the United States. Its time for people to take back control. Its obvious that inside the beltway, theyre not responding to the mass murder of american citizens. How do you take control . Typically, the politicians, say the overwhelming majority of americans, do not want the Second Amendment to disappear. They did not believe in the elimination not to bear arms. But they feel there could be more donencludie ining universa background checks. You cant get someone to move on something that has 80 Approval Rating in this country, what happens next . How do you move the needle on this . I think that when you think about the impact of public opinion, its not just enough to look at polling, the way youve been describing it and the way i was describing it when i said that 97 of republicans want mandatory background checks on gun purchases. Whats important for people running for office, is who is going to change their vote based on their opinion. This is a perfect example of high 90s of americans want it. Where as the number of true right wing people who want extreme Second Amendment rights do vote on it. You have 99 people who feel one way, but dont vote on it, and 1 person who will change his or her thoughts on it, that controls in politics. All im saying is we need to break control of the cooperations on our government overall. Guns is a perfect example. It goes to all the other places. Its the Drug Companies and the tobacco companies. We need to break this corporate stranglehold on our democracy and get back to by and for the people. If there was a referendum on this nationally, if we went out and took a vote on this, on tuesday, we would have a much better gun law. And if you look at other countries where the government isnt broken, where there hasnt been a hostile corporate takeover, if you look at new zealand, there was one incident of extreme violence of mass killing. And in nine days, they changed the law. Nine days. 251 this year. And we hear nothing from washington, d. C. It is time for rational, reasonable lawabiding gun owners like myself, to understand they do not want to be associated with White Nationalism. They dont want to be associated with domestic terrorism. They need to understand that the nra isnt a club. It is a front, a lobby for gun manufacturers. We dont join clubs that support the health care industry. We dont join clubs that support pharmaceuticals. Dont join clubs that support automakers. But an association that is a front for gun manufacturers. Ali, thank you for having me. Joining me now is el paso mayor, dean margot. We have been following developments in your city closely. Were sorry for what is happened. What do you know now . We have an evil perpetrator from out of town. I said before, i do not believe that anybody from el paso would have done anything like this. No one is prepared for the tragedies that were dealing with. The police were magnificent in their response. Notified at 10 35 yesterday morning, they responded and were apprehended by 11 06. Families are waiting to be notified as they process the crime scene. This will not define el paso. Were a unique community, with a binational, bicultural area. Theres nowhere else in north america like el paso. And the history goes back 350 years. Its described as two cities with a line between, that act as one. The freedom that people move back and forth. It would be typical to go over to juarez and enjoy that. If you dont like the concept of an invasion, into White America, el paso is a logical target. I cant speculate on that. I have to deal with this community and its tremendous resilience. And i dont think were going to start recovering until we finish these 20 funerals. You talk about the First Responders. 10 15 or 10 20 was the posting. 10 39 was the first call. 10 45, officers onscene. 11 06 the apprehension of the suspect. You know more than anyone, the difficulty that those responders had in entering a highly populated space. They say there might have been 3,000 people in that walmart in the supercenter and the adjacent mall. How do apprehend someone during an active shooting and not anyone else. What have you learned last night about how this was handled . Well, they actually we train for active shooters with our police department. We werent prepared for 20 deaths but they were prepared. Your city has been in the news more in the last year than it has been in the probably last 20 years. At this point, when we do know, and i know you dont want to speculate, but we have a posting that police are associating with this. Your governor treats this as a hate crime but thats the road their going down. What do you see as the result . El paso is a unique community. Binational, bicultural, a region of 2. 5 million people. You cant tell when el paso ends and juarez begins. We have family and commerce on both sides. Were one region. Theres no other place in north america like el paso juarez. You know, we may be where the rest of america is growing, with the population. But we are unique and special community. And this will not define us. We are retill yesilient and we move ahead. The unique and special nature of your community is what defines you. Its unclear, when you were standing there, understanding where el paso ends and juarez begins. El paso mayor, dean margot, thank you for joining me. Our thoughts continue to be you and the residents of el paso. Thank you. Well be right back. Our coverage continues after this. Ge continues after this do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging . Prevagen is the number one pharmacistrecommended memory support brand. You can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. A cockroach can survive heresubmerged ttle guy. Underwater for 30 minutes. Wow. 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This is not the first time that i have to go through another shooting. I was here for the last two days, celebrating what joaquins birthday would be. We were going to do a mural for him, honoring him with the migrants. However, things change. Were still here, and celebrating joaquins birthday. Now, were painting a wall with another message. Its not surprising me, as long as we dont change the laws, as long as we dont stand together in the communities, nothing is going to happen. I want you to tell me about the 20 families of the people wounded and dead in el paso and the families of the people who are injured. Where are you now . Your son would have been 18 years old today. Full of life, vibrant, loved by his community. With his son on february 13th, 2018, when you thought of your son, you thought of his future, like all parents do. What do the families go through . Families are confused. They dont know who to blame in these situations. Some of them might be already onboard in what were doing. Fighting against the guns, of course. And they might find themselves a little later. This is the worst time. You dont understand why this is happening or this system and administration, and other administrations will let this go. This cannot become a tradition of what we call the most powerful nation in the world. Those families feel bad today. Theyre not expecting thoughts and priayers. No one does that anymore. But they are expecting to react. This is a moment to raise their voices and demand for changes. We are here supporting their families. Were supporting the nine families from ohio. This is beyond parkland. Its beyond schools and nightclubs. Now, its happening in texas. The argument, if you carry guns and protect ourselves, we say no to that. Its not true. We just prove it here. When you say its time to raise your voice, and demand change, how do you find purpose after a death . Thats going to take a while. But ive been almost two years without my son. So, i know exactly what that means. I know exactly how sad i feel when i remember joaquin. And i know exactly how sad i feel when i envision joaquin as a grwith. But you have to make sure that you do it the best possible way, so that you prevent it from happening to others. Thats the key here. We need to turn ourself to the voice of our loved ones that are not here anymore. Tonight, 20 people that lost their lives will have a voice. Were going to make that happen. Nine people that lost their lives in ohio will have a voice. Three people who lost their lives in california a few weeks ago still have a voice. If we stay quiet, nothing will happen. Some say its too early. I say, no. Its not too early. If you think its too early, lets talk about the guns at parkland. That was two years ago. I dont want to change the tone or the subject that im fighting for. I want to make it clear. These families have my support. I just spoke to the mayor standing where you he to get th funerals and the memorials first. This is not just about guns today. This is about White Nationalism. This is about domestic terrorism. This is about the rhetoric that we have in this country. This is about the families. In my opinion, having covered gun violence for a long time, parkland changed that. I agree. Why is it bad for the families that we are concerned about how they were shot . Why is that a concern for politicians and not for me . Why is it that anybody who has any sympathy for the nra will suggest that we shouldnt be talking about guns right now. I call that b. S. We dont do that. We call things by their name. Theres a problem here, as long as we dont speak the right way, were not going to be able to solve it. If politicians arent able to do that and use our language, we can vote them out. We can choose other politicians. Theyre not going to vote us out, thats for sure. Manuel, because we spend so much time talking about perpetrators and not enough talking about victims again, i think parkland changed that. There were videos and families and their classmates and colleagues talked about them. I believe he would have been 19 years old today, is that correct . Were celebrating lives today, here in el paso. He would be honored you are doing that. He was full of conviction. Political conviction, your family comes from venezuela. You believed in the fact that you came to america, to be safe and prosperous, and to enjoy the freedoms that are in america. When you see that under threat, he took it upon himself and you are taking it upon yourself for a different reason to try to maintain the way of life that you believe and so many immigrants believe is what america standses for. Absolutely. Joaquin was concerned about the treatment to immigrants. We came from another country. Now, were american citizens. Yesterday, we were spending a beautiful time with migrants on the other side of juarez. They want to live here. Theyre okay. Theyre perfect. They want to make it a better country. Meanwhile, an americanborn guy here, decided to shoot randomly people. And were okay with that. Were going to build a gigantic wall. Nice people wont have access to this nation. Let me tell you something. I am here. I think im a good person. Im not trying to convince you about that. At least im concerned about whats happening. Im raising my voice and my latino voice, to make sure theres no misunderstanding here. We have an american problem. Its becoming a tradition. We will fix it. Its a tradition we dont want. Manuel oliver, thank you. Our thoughts are with you. Thank you for take youing your strength and joaquins strength to the people who need it. The people that are dead and the injured and the families in dayton, ohio. Joaquin oliver would be 19 years old today, if he wasnt gunned down at high school in parkland, florida. Its one of the safest cities, despite admonitions from the president that it is not. Cal perry is with us from mexico city, clint watt is back with us. Cal, what manuel said, its something that important. People want to come to america, to make it a better place. They dream of america. They dont come here with the idea that theyre going to destroy society. Theres a sentiment of gun laws and they come together to create 20 deaths in el paso. And the politics that surround all of it. U. S. President thats using rhetoric, that is changing things across the country. Shelters opened across that border. As we continue to say, juarez and el paso are two cities that have become one. A river runs through it. We heard from the president of mexico in the last 30 minutes. He talks about the existence between el paso and juarez. He called the shooting a rare event for what is a, quote, safe city of el paso. As you say, we have this intersection of all these things happening. And none of it, of course and i mentioned the politic office the top happens in a vacuum. We have a u. S. Administration thats talked at times about terrorists coming across that border from juarez to el paso, when theres precious little evidence that would happen. In stead, we have an act of domestic terrorism of a 21yearold who drove ten hours to a city that worries about its security, because of the work its doing with migrants. Certainly, i think in the next 24 hours, well hear more from the Mexican Government. Well hear from president trump,. The way this is framed is going to set the tone in america in the coming week. Clint watts, you talked about the language and the internet and how this spreads. The president used the language of invasion. When he said that, he pointed out that that is language used in europe. Language that is loaded in some circles. The fact is, theres some who worry that that gives license to the kinds of people like the shooter in el paso, who had antiimmigrant sentiment, White Nationalist sentiment. You combine that to examples of great directiestruction, we coue more examples of happened last night. Violent rhetoric and violent words lead to violence. We know this. We were really about violent ideology leading to al qaeda and isis. Today, we have a lot of violent rhetoric going around that comes from, not just elected leaders, but around the world, from a network that exists on the fringe platforms. We have seen social Media Companies do with international terrorism. We seem them push off yubtoutub twitter, facebook. Now, they go to the french sites. They are congregating there online. And whats fascinating about how this is emerging, is they are using the manifestos to inspire each other. Consistently, what you see with each one of the shooters, theyre pointing to other successful attacks. Theyre pointing to others that they see as sort of heroes in their cultlike movement. And theyre then building that ideology, based on the success of their own attacks. I think weve done a much better job here, you know, on msnbc and a lot of the other channels, about not broadcasting the manifestos and even much about the personality. But that doesnt stop them in the very small worlds out there on the internet, about promoting each other, networking, plotting and planning. Its fascinating to me, as well. How did he know to go to this walmart to conduct this attack . How did he know to drive the ten hours . He had to do significant amounts of research. It was a specific target he wanted to hit. Weve not gotten to this point yet. Im sure it will come up in the next few days. He talked specifically about why he targeted this walmart as a soft target, a place that wasnt policed. And in the manifesto, the shooter said, hey, why would anyone attack a place with a lot of security, when you can go over here to a soft target if you want to deliver a message . That should be frightening for Law Enforcement and intelligence. With this successful attack, that shooter is going to communicate with this manifesto in the dark corners of the internet. Dont go to places with a Quick Response. Dont go to places with a lot of security. Dayton, today, a Quick Response and look at the carnage we had. Unbelievable deaths, even with a quick attack. Rewind that 14 hours to el paso paso, you saw a shooter take a much more deliberate attack, picked out the place he wanted to go to because it was a soft target. He knew hed have a slower Response Time. And im not criticizing El Paso Police, but he knew hed have a little bit more time to perpetrate and execute that attack and he notes he wants to maximize violence. Not just with his choice of location and Response Time but in terms of his weapons, he wanted to kill people. That message today will spread around the dark corners of the dark web and go to other extremists and we need to be moving much more aggressively. Its cascading terrorism. We talked about it here, ali, many times. We should be freaking out around this country trying to go after every lead out there, and reach out to anybody who might be motivated to pushover the edge today and keep this campaign of terror going on in this country. Lets talk about capabilities and will. After 9 11 when we were discussing the patriot act in this country, there was an understanding the capability is there and we have shown that to deter acts of islamic terrorism in this country. We are going to go through that conversation right now. If we are politically astute enough to be able to call this domestic terrorism driven by White Nationalism, if we can do that, do we have the capability to attack this is way we attacked isis and alqaeda inspired attacks in america . We dont. I have to say the fbi has done a remarkable job. Director wray last week said we had a hundred attacks thwarted thats remarkable. We knew this after christchurch, when you see that video up load and you see youtube and twitter trying to take that down. Where does that lead back to . That tells you you have a sizable network. I call it the iceberg theory of terrorism. You have two or three but underneath that you have a support network underneath that but even further down you have a supporting Network Online and on the ground that will actually let this sort of go. We need to get on this. And to do that, weve got to put more resources to it. Weve got to come to terms how far we will balance between privacy and security in the online space. I advocate we bring social media together with state and, local and federal Law Enforcement and we put very strict rules in about privacy, wu put in strict rules about surveillance but we also dont ignore the fact the signals and all this noise is out there in the social media landscape. We can do things to increase the Response Time, investigate this in a responsible way and we know how to do this because weve learned this over the past decade. Where those threats have risen from weve been surprised about, disinformation in 2016 with russia, now were looking at domestic extremism all of these have some sort of root in what is an anonymous safe haven in these extremist challenges. Weve got to talk about legislation, how do we deal with the frequency of these attacks. And in terms of the impact, the whole weapons discussion is crazy. The assault weapons and showing up at places and killing people, the conversation would be completely different. So we need to engage with those communities. Why dont we like to we did with the Muslim Community and isis, go to the gun Owner Community and say were about gun safety, i thought you guys were, too. Why dont you help us police your own because we have an extremism problem in the ranks and youre the closest to the problem. If you want to protect your rights is to make sure innocent people arent being killed with these weapons. What changes now that someone actually took action on their views about immigrants and the changing face of america . So this morning shelters across el paso are pulling their security cam footage trying to see if maybe the shooter had scouted those locations. When we talk about the political will needed to make changes in the United States because this shooter in texas bought the rifle legally its quite possible he didnt break any laws in the state of texas until he actually pulled the trigger. So what changes now . People talk about security, they spread a word between el paso a and juarez maybe el paso isnt as safe as it used to be. As we continue to worry about copycat attacks, the people really going to pay the price for that and fear those attacks were the very vulnerable communities that were vulnerable before this attack. Immigrant communities across america, many people undocumented and already living in fear are now all the more living in a state of fear in america, ali. Cal perry, thank you for your reporting. I want to remind our viewers three of the people who lost their lives in el paso was mexican national,s, six of the people part of the 26 people who remain skbrered and getting treatment were mexican nationals as well. 9 People Killed in dayton, ohio, 26 people injured there. This has been 24 hours of carnage in america. 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