Arrived in kenosha at the corner where 29yearold jacob blake was shot seven times in the back by a Kenosha Police officer, blakes family held an activist event to promote healing in the community. But thats not the reality of kenosha that wants you to see or to hear. Instead, trumps first stop accompanied by his chief henchman attorney general william barr was the protests that followed blakes shooting. Then he met with local police officials. Trump did not meet with blakes family during the visit. He didnt even mention his name either. He repeatedly praised and pledged his support for police and banged on for riots and unrest, accusing local elected officials of encouraging violent protests. A reminder, the vast majority of protests in kenosha have been peaceful, and the violence came from an alleged trump supporter. But go off trump. Reckless farleft politicians continue to push the destructive message that our nation and our Law Enforcement are oppressive or racist. They will throw out any word that comes to them. Actually, we must give far greater support to our Law Enforcement. Trumps visit to kenosha comes less than 24 hours after he not only refused to condemn but actually defended kill rittenhouse, the armed teenage vigilante for whom trump has been kind of sounding like outside counsel more than like a president. In an interview with fox last night, and you cant make this stuff up, trump actually compared Police Officers who shoot people to golfers missing putts. Shooting the guy in the back many times, couldnt you have done something different, couldnt you have wrestled him . In the meantime, he mightve been going for a weapon. And theres a whole big thing there. But they choke, just like in a golf tournament, they miss a threefoot not comparing to golf. Im saying people choke. Not even a friendly host could help him with that one and at his event in wisconsin today, trump once again attributed Police Violence to a few bad apples. I think the police do an incredible job. And i think you do have some bad apples. I think youd agree every once in a while you see something. And you do have the other situation too where theyre under this tremendous pressure and they dont handle it well. They call it choking. And it happens. Ooh, trump went on to claim credit for deploying the National Guard to kenosha, which he in fact did not do. That was Governor Tony Evers because its actually governors who activate the National Guard. But of course trump wouldnt acknowledge that. And neither he nor anyone in his Office Reached out to the Governors Office regarding his visit today. And joining me now is the wisconsin Lieutenant Governor. Donald trump did not reach out to your office. Did he respond to the governors request that he not come even to say, i dont care, im coming anyway . Well, he certainly didnt reach out to my office. And to my knowledge, he didnt respond to the governors request that he didnt know up. But the word no has never stopped donald trump before, as we see this time played out in his visit to kenosha, which, you know, served to create even more tension in a community that is on the road to healing. And lets talk about the event that jacob blakes family held today. How did that event go, and what was the message that you think came out of it . The message was unity. Weve been on this track for a while this past weekend saturday, jacob blakes family held a rally downtown. It was so much solidarity, people of different races, different ages, different generations all coming together to support justice for jacob blake. The following day you saw a cleanum project that was led by a creative projects to come out to support the community to support struggling businesses. But today you see children, food, family, fun, all the things that we want to see in society here in the good times. And that was what i put into my speech. I said lets come together not in the face of tragedy. Lets come together during the good times. Lets celebrate the community that already exists and lets strengthen it, given how awful the situation was last week, i think right now this is the moment that will actually define kenosha, how people are coming together, learning how to live together and understand and appreciate each other. Yeah. I think its great that we got a chance to show those pictures because donald trump is sort of painting a picture of kenosha that is this sort of violent hellscape. But what i saw, kids were getting haircuts and people were doing positive things. There is a report that the Republican Leaders in your state legislature, they did a 30second meeting on monday. Republicans left the session open rather than adjourn it, which allows them to take action at a later date, giving no assuranc assurances they would actually do anything about it. Is Police Reform going to actually happen . Because there is this proposal im assuming there are great proposals to make change, but looks like republicans are not interested. Is anything going to happen . They continue to ignore the needs of the people of the state of wisconsin. It could be the dairy crisis. It could be the climate crisis. It could be unemployment, it could be the health care crisis. All these issues republicans in the legislature continue to ignore. They have not done their job. They have not met in four months. They have completely ignored our state in great times of crisis. There is no crisis too large for the republican majority in the Wisconsin State Legislature to ignore. People have stepped up and demanded that they act. The Milwaukee Bucks said it is time for you to do your job. They have still refused to do so. And they will just sit on the couch because i assume theyre at home right now because they arent doing anything else but to point fingers and say the Evers Administration is either doing or not doing this. Its also important to note that the legislation they were supposed to ethat up in that special session, they were supposed to take up two months ago. That is what happens when you have this extreme gerrymandering that we have in the state of wisconsin right now. It allows them to have even less accountability than we were seeking to have for our Police Officers. There is no transparency. They dont have to face a true electorate. They only have to worry about a primary channel. Im hector. Im a delivery Operations Manager in san diego, california. We were one of the first stations to pilot a fleet of electric vehicles. Were striving to deliver a package with zero emissions into the air. I feel really proud of the impact that has on the environment. 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And heres what he said when he was asked about Donald Trumps visit to kenosha. Im sucking up all the pain we have just to stand on our square till we get justice, which means we get indictment and a conviction of the man who shot him seven times in the back. What would you have wanted to tell the president today . We dont have any words for the orange man. All i ask is that he keep his disrespectful foul language away from our family. Joining us are jacob blakes sister and ben crump, attorney for the blake family. I want to say that your comments after what happened to your brother i think were so profound i think for a lot of people. You could have taught a class in two and a half minutes. So i just want to commend you just for the way you expressed the rage i think a lot of people feel. I wonder what you make of the fact that donald trump came to kenosha today. Your uncle justin said it was not necessary for what he called the orange man to talk to your family. Do you agree or disagree . Do you think that donald trump shouldve tried to connect with you guys . Um, well, number one, my main interest is seeking for my brother. Im only interested in talking to people about that issue. I want to see really change and reform in the policies. And if thats not the subject matter, then, i mean, it really is none of my concern. He is the president of this country. He is going to handle whatever business he is going to handle in kenosha. And if its not about getting justice for my brother and all of the africanamericans who have been subjected to this kind of thing, then it really isnt any of my concern. Inside the joe biden sort of campaign, you know, booklet is they want to do something about Police Reform if he is elected president. Would you want to talk to joe biden if he came to kenosha . Im not trying to for anybody. I only want to talk to people that are truly interested in reform. So if joe biden is interested in that, then we can have a conversation. Thats not a problem. I want to do any and everything i possibly can to make sure that my brother didnt get shot seven times in his back and lose all of his lower functioning in vain. This has to stop. Lets talk with the people who are directly involved in Law Enforcement and in what would be or should be seeking justice for your brother for your family. Sheriff david beth, here he is today. He was at that Law Enforcement roundtable. Theres been a lot of black lives matter opposition to him. Thank you for being the president that likes Law Enforcement. On behalf of Law Enforcement i am telling you the group thats here i hope you can feel the love that they have for you and everybody who came. And just for the audience just to know who this man is, this is somebody who in 2018 said some people arent worth saving and that after five people were arrested for shoplifting, he said that they should be locked up in warehouses, build a warehouse and lock them away for the rest of their lives. Do you trust Law Enforcement in kenosha as led by sheriff beth to seek justice for your family . Well, i cant put trust into Law Enforcement as a whole being an africanamerican woman who has been brutalized by police myself. A situation that they should be deescalating instead turn to violence. Ive seen that happen where in plenty of situations all of my life. So there is a disconnect of trust within africanamerican people and the police because of how we are treated on a daily basis. Im not a criminal and i get racially profiled all the time. Im actually anything but a criminal. Im young, im educated, im a business owner. And i still experience that maybe not on the level that my brother now has. But this is something thats been a problem in our country for a long time. And trump nor biden is the solution or the problem. This is a problem that has been ongoing for so many years. And we all know that. But we want to try to keep pointing the finger at these couple of people when its going to take our country as a whole to put a stop to this. Very well said. Ben, to that very point, you and i have been doing this since 2006 i think when the victim was 14 years old in florida. And so i think she is absolutely right. There is a longterm problem. But lets talk about the shortterm problem for just a moment, which is that donald trump is the president. He is sort of setting the tone. And Law Enforcement is very, very supportive of him because he is very, very supportive of them no matter what happens. Here he is talking about whether or not he had a message for jacob blakes family today. I feel terribly for anybody that goes through that. As you know, its under investigation. Its a big thing happening right now. I guess its under local investigation. I hope they come up with the right answer. Its a complicated subject, to be honest with you. I mean, hes sort of claiming he doesnt have any power now. But he also tried to claim that he sent the National Guard to kenosha when he didnt. Its hard to tell whether or not he thinks hes powerful enough to do anything about this. But do you think that a federal intervention can actually start to change the way that police behave . Or do you think that its got to be at a local level, just given all your experience, ben . There absolutely needs to be some thats my idea. But it does have to start locally. But if the local police cannot handle the situation and are not dealing with the situation appropriately, then, yes, obviously someone else needs to step in. And, ben, your thoughts on that as well . Yes. Historically, joy, it has always been the federal government to come in even during the civil rights things with Martin Luther king and john lewis where the locals would not give equal justice under the law to black people, then the federal government would do it. But right now the person who we have in office, it seems that there is nothing that the federal government will hold Law Enforcement accountable for. They support them even when you have something as outrageous being shot seven times in the back. And so we need the systemic reform that we talk about with the justice and policing act, joy, that you know so much about because youve sat at these issues. And until we get this reform, were going to keep saying hashtag after hashtag after hashtag. Unfortunately, i think that is the case. Thank you so much. Really appreciate your time tonight. Ben crump, my friend, always great to talk with you, even under these circumstances. And up next on the reidout, divide and conquer. 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They were greeted by wisconsin general ron johnson. Trump, who is squarely focused on promoting fear for his own selfinterest, was asked a more consequential question, about systemic racism today. We are focusing on violent actions, but there have been countless nonviolent protests here in wisconsin and across the country this summer. People calling for an end to systemic racism. Do you believe systemic racism is a problem in this country . You just keep getting back to the opposite subject. We should talk about the kind of violence that weve seen in portland and here and other places. Its tremendous violence. Given the opportunity to denounce violence no matter where it comes from yesterday, trump refused. That was an interesting situation. You saw the same tape as i saw. And he was trying to get away from them, i guess, it looks like. And he fell, and then they very violently attacked him. And it was something that were looking at right now. I guess he was in very big trouble. He probably wouldve been killed. Well, lets not forget that with trump, its not a bug but a feature of his personality. You look at both sides, i think theres blame on both sides. You also had people that were very fine people on both sides. For more, im joined by the principal of the black to the future action fund, and coexecutive director of the Highlander Center. Alicia, im going to start with you. You have been at this for a long time under two different president s. What difference does it make if a president is actively refusing to condemn the violence of documented rightwing domestic, potentially domestic terrorism but constantly harping on black lives matter, none of the activists from black lives matter has been arrested for anything violent. What difference does it make within the movement . What difference does it make as the movement is viewed, in your view . Well, let me first say that one of the things that is so incredibly important for people to understand and just underscore is that this president has refused time and time again to decry white supremacist and White Nationalist violence. He has refused to decry racial terrorism. And so as a result what is happening is that he is also actually advancing conspiracy theories of the sort that we have seen, you know, on platforms like facebook and twitter and some of these accounts that have been rooted out through qanon. This president is actually saying these are very fine people and that the real problem here are black lives matter protesters who are fighting to ensure that black people have the same rights and dignity that everybody deserves. And so this is a playbook. Its a technically its a clear piece of trumps playbook where he essentially uses violence, white nationalism, white supremacy, sexism, and any other tool he can use to distract from the fact that he is a terrible president , to distract from the fact that more than 150,000 people have died as a result of a pandemic that he called a liberal coax. We have some reckoning to do for putting this man into office. In november we have an opportunity to take him out. Michael schmidt has a new book out in which one of the things that we learned was donald trump was so determined to have Hillary Clinton prosecuted just because i guess he cant stand her and decided he wanted to shame her by using prosecution. And then when he was told he really cant do that, he said can i use my own powers . Well, is there in power in the presidency . Because his thenattorney general wouldnt do it. We are now learning that he might be at that again, but this time focused on black lives matter. Here is chad wolf who is the department of Homeland Security secretary. And here he was on fox news with Tucker Carlson this week. Why havent we seen the leaders of antifa and blm like the heads of the mafia families were . This is something i talked to the a. G. Personally about, and i know they are working on this. This president is committed to holding individuals accountable. Its something that i have talked to attorney general barr personally about and i know that they are working on it. Um, ashley, is this something that now black lives matter leaders have to be worried about that regardless of the fact that theyd have no reason to do it that william barr might try to go after black lives matter leaders to prosecute them . Are you worried about it . I think this is not the first time that weve seen this state use all of their power to stop public dissent. And this is definitely not new to the black Liberation Movement in particular. It frustrates me and concerns me that as a person who has survived a white supremacist terrorist attack at the Highlander Center that we are seeing more concern about folks that are exercising their First Amendment right to say that black people being murdered in the streets by Police Officers with impunity is okay, is not okay. But what is okay is white supremacist organizations, White Nationalist organizations, white Paramilitary Forces showing up to peaceful protests and murdering people. I think it is absolutely a concern for the movement for black lives matter which is a member of the movement for black lives and is something we are taking seriously. However, if the attempt to say these things in the press is to scare us away from actually doing what is right, standing and pushing the moral arc of the universe towards justice and doing everything in our power to build healthy, sustainable, and equitable communities for all people, they are misinformed. 350 Million People all across this country have said that enough is enough. We believe that that is making what was impossible yesterday, possible today. But wait theres more. Theres always more. I want to really quickly turn just to the new developments in the Breonna Taylor case. We did learn that yesterday ms. Taylors exboyfriend was actually offered a reduced sentence if he would agree to implicate breonna in his own alleged drug trafficking. Now, he insisted that Breonna Taylor was completely innocent, he rejected the plea deal. That is all happening. Well put that on the side. And the next thing is that the current boyfriend his name is kenneth walker. He is suing the city and the Louisiana Police department claiming he sustained lifelong trauma and still feels harm from the department. He probably should fear harm, right . If you have Law Enforcement officials trying to force Breonna Taylors exboyfriend to implicate her after shes been killed in a crime so that basically the officers would seem justified in busting down her door and shooting her. Um, it sounds like her boyfriend at the time should be worried. What do you make of those developments, alyssa . Frankly it breaks my heart. And one of the things that we see in this case, of course, is that the casualty here was a black woman who was just beginning a new life. She was somebody who cared for her younger sister and for an infant godchild. She was somebody who was an emt and somebody who was an essentialor worker during this pandemic breseason. Breonna taylor is someone who deserves to be arrive right now. Unfortunately what we are seeing is a lack of leadership from the leaders in this country who have, frankly, a responsibility to set the tone for what accountability needs to look like in this country as well as what it needs to look like to make sure that there are no more breonna tailors, that there are no more jacob blakes, that there are no more tony mcdades. And the list goes on and on. Our country is hurting right now. And we need leadership that can sow this country back together. And right now the person who is in office is doing everything he can to not only, you know, stir up fear and division and divisiveness between people who share a common vision for black lives matter including Breonna Taylors life. But he is also sending a signal that there actually are some people who are above law and order. This president has said that he is all about law and order. But what he actually means is he is law and order for some and not for others. Hes done everything he can to essentially turn black lives matter into hillarys emails. And now were in a moment where our country could be led towards healing. And hes continuing to try to lead us backwards and dismantle every single victory that so many of us from the 1960s on have marched for and fought for. And so again i just have to say that, you know, my heart breaks for Breonna Taylor, but this is not a new tactic from Law Enforcement. Yeah, unfortunately. It is shocking. I keep thinking i have lost the ability to be shocked. But this is pretty shocking. Thank you both very much. And coming up, i cant believe i have to say this, but, no, no, nope, mr. President , mr. Joe biden is not being controlled by the people in the dark shadows. [ evil laughter ] well be back after this. Hey, can i. Safe drivers save 40 guys guys safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. 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Joining me now is director of Global Health in emergency medicine at new york presbyterian hospital. Hopefully the gremlins wont get us and we can get through a conversation with you. Weve been having little technical gremlins tonight. Do you think that the problem in the coronavirus pandemic is that theres not enough good feeling . Do we need a pr boost, or do we need Something Else . I think we need if you want to defeat despair and inspire hope, i think what we need to do is have a concerted effort to really tackling this pandemic and getting rid of the virus. The way that we do that is with Strong Public Health principles. I think its crazy that were spending 250 million to do what the president and what our Strong Public Health and medical institutions are really expected to be doing. We should have the cdc out front. The fact that were going to try to hire a madison avenue pr agency to put a spin on what has to date been a really disturbingly bad response to this pandemic is incredibly unsettling, unfortunately. What do you make of it, dr. Spencer, that you had donald trump there saying, hey, take the masks on. Like, encouraging people, sort of daring them to take them off if they want to look like a strong person. Theres going to be a resumption of public tours in the white house which were halted six months ago. All guests over 2 years old will be required to wear a face covering. If youve ever done the white house tour, its not like a massive stadiumsized building. So i dont know how theyre going to do that. What do you make of that . What kind of messaging do you think that sends . This is just a continuation of the message that were going to get back to normal, were over the coronavirus. The problem is that were still having a thousand people die every single day. We still have tens of thousands of cases every single day. We have more infections than nearly every other place in the face of the earth. Now that were seeing a lot of kids go back to school, big outbreaks on College Campuses, im almost certain in the next few weeks we are going to see unfortunately more cases, more deaths. But im worried that were going to see a continuation of the undermining of the Strong Public Health authorities in the medical institutions that we need to trust to get us through this. And as we get closer to november 3rd, im worried that those attacks are only going to increase on those trusted institutions. Theres a new monmouth poll out tonight that suggests that americans can see that were doing worse than every other country. 52 can see that. 15 seem to think were doing about the same. This is Something Else thats happening on the right. There is this thing of, well, dont mask shake and sort of mocking people who are willing to wear a mask in public and refusing to do it for ideological reasons. Heres fox friends promoting that. There was no one around him yesterday. Does it count going on the campaign trail if you go to an empty warehouse surrounded by circles . Very deep. [ laughter ] read off the teleprompter for a few minutes. Does that technically meet the threshold of a Campaign Event . Theyre basically trying to make it sound like nothing is real unless there are actual people there that joe biden speaking in an empty room is not the same as a speech because donald trump was, you know, macho enough to fill it with a thousand potential covid patients. I just want to note for the audience the New York Times magazine talks about Sports Events that happen without fans, basketball fans are happening without fans. Late night and snl are without fans. Donald trump is the only one who seems to need fans. Are you concerned that you do have a big percentage of the public that watch things like fox and that are taking that message to walmart . Absolutely. Im concerned where people are getting their information. And quite frankly, im concerned that this administration and particularly the president has not set good precedent in terms of wearing a mask or even just respecting Public Health. In addition, spreading misinformation and disinformation from his personal twitter account. The impact of this is huge. People bring this misinformation and disinformation into the Emergency Department where i treat coronavirus patients. They bring it with them into conversations with their family and friends and online. And the result is that unfortunately people are not as aware as the true impact of this virus in our communities, the continuing impact, the continuing infections that are happening every day, the deaths that are happening every day. And thats all coming from an administration who pretends like this virus doesnt exist, does it in the white house, does it on the campaign trail. People see that, people think that this is what the Public Health response needs to be. The problem is that 325 million americans are continuing to suffer. Yeah. I mean, theyre even doing it from and this is the family of herman canes twitter account. His twitter account is tweeting the virus isnt that deadly. Herman cane is dead from coronavirus. Anyway, thats just my comment. I wont put that on you. Look, we got through without ghosts. Youre magical. Up next, strategists warn of a red mirage on Election Night. Whats a red mirage . Stick around and youll find out. Out. Look at that scuffed up wall. Embarrassing you. That wall is your everest. But not any more. Today lets paint. And right now, get incredible savings on behr premium paints and stains. Exclusively at the home depot. They grew their first tomatoes right here. 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Every legitimate vote is tallied, and we get to that final day, which whether be sunday after election day. It will, in fact, show that what happened on Election Night was exactly that, a mirage. It looked like President Trump was in the lead. He fundamentally was not, when every ballot gets counted. Joining me now is ari burman, Senior Reporter for mother jones, and im going to bring in elisia melendez. Were going to have her here as backup in case my shot goes down again. Because were having some gremlins messing with us tonight. President trump wanting to steal the election is whatever. But he cant do it by himself. But if he were to say i declare victory, lets say because, you know, in all of these swing states hes ahead or ahead in most of them. That wouldnt mean a lot unless republicans went along with it or the media. We reached out, the show, to several swing state that have republican state legislators to see if they would refrain from counting from declaring the election over and refuse to count ballots that were absentee that came in after election day or that they still hadnt counted on election day. None of those states responded to our request. Do you worry that republican state legislators would try to declare their states for trump, regardless of the outcome . Hey, joy. I do worry about that. I think President Trump and republicans are laying the ground work to try to delegitimize the results of the election. If President Trump prematurely declares victory on election day results and tries to stop mail votes cast by democrats from being counted, and republicans intervene on his behalf, that will be nothing less than an attempted coup in this country. I dont think theyll succeed. Mailin votes have been counted in many, many, many elections. Theres no untoward about it. But we in the media and other trusted institutions need to say right now its more important that votes be counted accurately than to do it quickly. And that the election is not over until all the votes are counted. We have to say that over and over and over again, because to use a sports analogy, election day is like halftime. If you just count the inperson votes, youre missing the whole secondhalf that will occur. So ari, its elisia melendez. Part of that expectation setting comes from us in the media. If you are a democrat, how do you prepare for that reality of a red mirage . I think one thing democrats can do is make a commitment if they feel like its safe to vote in person early, because those votes are going to be counted quicker in many states than mailin ballots. But i think people should feel comfortable voting by mail. And we need to say theres nothing wrong with votes being counted after the election. Thats a completely normal thing. And many states in fact, ballots dont have to be postmarked until election day. So they could arrive days after the election, and still be counted. The Trump Administration is going to make it seem like thats some massive scandal, massive voter fraud. No, thats just the system working. So if it takes a little bit longer, thats fine. We need to recalibrate our expectations. We might know who the president is on Election Night, we might not. It might take a week or two weeks. We in the media have to treat that as normal and not try to normalize the conspiracy theorys that are going to come from donald trump and his allies. When you say it could be a week, it could be two weeks, is that part of the challenge that we dont know exactly how long it could take . That is part of the challenge. The closer the election is, the longer it could take to count the ballots. And its funny, because in many ways the gop is trying to weaponize the uncertainty around counting ballots. In michigan, the secretary of state has called on the legislature to move up the deadline to count mailin ballots before election day, but they are refusing to do that, refusing to allow Election Officials to count those ballots bf election day, meaning republicans want mail ballots to be counted later so it could seem like President Trump is up on election day. So we have to do everything we can in the media to push back on this and to say its fine to take a little bit of time, to count the results. Its not a scandal. Its not fraud. Its just the system working. Were in an unprecedented pandemic. It might take longer to count the votes in some states this year than in years past. Thats just the new reality were in right now. So much of this comes down to the infrastructure necessary to process all of these ballots. Do you have a sense that things are in place, the way they need to be in place nine weeks out for this election to process the number of mailin ballots that were likely to see . No, i think states need help. The democrats passed the heros act that gave 25 billion to the post office to help deal with mail ballots. Mitch mcconnell and the senate has been blocking that bill for 109 days. So Mitch Mcconnell and Senate Republicans are not giving the states the resources they need to try to run smooth elections. States are doing the best they can. But if states dont get more money and resources from the federal government, they might have to cut back on mail ballots or on inperson voting, so a lot of people are still going to vote in person. States are doing the best they can in a difficult situation. But the federal government in particular republicans in the senate and Mitch Mcconnell need to step up and prioritize free and fair elections, because theyre trying to sabotage the post office by defunding it and trying to sabotage states by not giving them the money they need to run smooth elections. Ari, you know better than anyone, and this is something that voting advocates say again and again is that on one hand, you want to ring the bell as loudly as you can about the possibility of Voter Suppression. And on the other hand, you know that the more you talk about Voter Suppression, the greater likelihood there is of people watching and saying i give up, im not sure my vote matters. In a moment like this, a critical moment like this, how do you thread that needle . What i want people to do is make a plan to vote right now. And realize that in 44 states, you can request a mail ballot for any reason. So its very easy to vote by mail in much of the country. In 40 states, they have early voting. So if youre proactive about this and make a plan, you can overcome these Voter Suppression efforts. But we have to start doing this kind of thing now. We cant wait to vote by mail or vote in person. Thats when we get in trouble. But many states are set up right now to have smooth elections. And im confident that we will have smooth elections. People make a plan and if states get the resources they need. All right. Ari burman, all of you at home thank you for bearing with us. Exactly nine weeks from this very moment, polls will be closing with us and ballot counting will begin. Make sure your vote counts. Register now, vote early, drop off your absentee ballot, and do not forget your masks. Thats tonights reedout. All in with chris hayes starts now. Tonight on all in herd immunity. The really bad idea the white house swears is not the plan, seems to be the president s plan. Once you get to a certain number, you know, we use the word herd. Once you get to a certain number, its going to go away. Tonight, as the administration bullies everyone back to school, new concern that outbreaks on College Campuses could bring a covid third wave. Plus, why is the president repeating conspiracy theorys about plane loads of antifa thugs . Ben collins on President Trumps pipeline of information. And the president wants everyone to know that he did not have a series of mini