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This deal represents the same failed approach of the past that brought us to the current imminent threat we face from north korea. Secretary tillerson stating that the Iran Nuclear Deal negotiated under president obamas, quote, failed approach. But his own state Department Just confirmed that iran is complying with the terms of the obama negotiated deal. Nbcs Andrea Mitchell asked the secretary about that today. Mr. Secretary, by your own letter to the speaker of the house, iran is complying with the terms of the nuclear deal. If you break out of that deal, wont that send a signal to north korea and other rogue nations that the u. S. Cant be trusted to keep its end of the bargain . I think its important in any conversation on jcpoa and i think this was one of the mistakes in how that agreement was put together, is that it completely ignored all of the other serious threats that iran poses. It is another example of buying off a power who has nuclear ambitions. We buy them off for a short period of time and then someone has to deal with it later. We just dont we just dont see that thats a prudent way to be dealing with iran. Certainly not in the context of all of their other disruptive activities. And overseas in london today, Speaker Paul Ryan confirming that he thinks a nuclear deal with iran is here to stay. You said the iran deal will probably stay in place back in february. Given the announcement, do you stand by what you said . Absolutely. The law requires that, by the way. I got a letter from rex today, our secretary of state. The law requires these reviews. What i said in february and ill say today is we have to make sure that we hold them to the letter of this law. So, what was secretary tillersons statement all about . Was it anything more than a repeat of his back in february . Instead of being thankful to the United States in these agreements, iran is now feeling emboldened. As of today we are officially putting iran on notice. That, of course, is now exNational Security advisor general flynn. One goal secretary tillerson seems to be a warning to iran to stop meddling in iraq and syria. In iraq, iran provides support to some iraqi militant glupz which has been undermining security in iraq for dwreeyears. Iran continues to support the brutal assad regime in syria. It has killed approximately half a million syrians and displaced millions more. Iran supports the assad regime even as it commits atrocities against its own people, including with chemical weapons. Nbcs ali arouzi is on the phone in tehran. Wendy sherman, former secretary of state for political affairs, she was the lead negotiator of iran nurk leer deal. And eugene from the washington post. Welcome to you. Ali, has there been a response, what are people saying in iran to what secretary tillerson said or is it too soon to get anything from them . Well, greta, it is evening here. When america talks tough to iran, it doesnt usually go down very well here. Secretary tillerson certainly had strong words. Also any talk of sanctions or renegotiating the jcpoa, especially with elections here next month is going to deeply disturb the regime and speak directly to the hard narrative that the nuclear deal was a bad one, being a deal with america isnt a good idea because its going to backfire and america cant be trusted. Also very doubtful iran would ever embark on any type of negotiation. None of it bodes well for the president , a moderate with successor relations with the west and seeking a second term in office. He has invested all of his Political Capital in this nuclear deal. If its in trouble, hesn trouble. Now he faces the possibility of becoming a oneterm president. If hes replaced by staunch hard liner, then most of the weve seen in iran since the deal will probably be rolled back making the negotiating process with iran very difficult again. But the man who holds all the cards in the country, irans supreme leader, he reluctantly endorsed this deal. He continued to criticize the lack of benefits it brings. He endured with america and he wants to harm iran and could never be trusted. Hes warned the consequences if the u. S. Violates the terms of the deal, his reaction would be furious if any sort of sanctions were imposed related to jcpoa and or anything else which is human rights or the missile program. The question is if america keeps pressuring iran, does he pull out of the deal and fire off the program again . Does he try different strategy of trying to put a wedge between america and the people who want the deal to stay in place. Its all still in play, greta. Ali, thank you very much. Ambassador, to you. First the simple question, do you believe that iran is a state sponsor of terrorism . Absolutely. Its the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. And i think from listening to secretary tillerson that he was trying to reconcile the fact that they may be complying, he admits there complying with the nuclear de, yet theyre still doing horrible things around the world whether its in iraq or syria. So, what do we do . So, this was in front of president obama when we went down the path of trying to make a deal. We thought, and the world thought, that if iran had a Nuclear Weapon and was able to project that power into the region, it would deter our actions, the actions of our allies and friends, and make things even more difficult. So, the first step was to make sure they couldnt obtain a Nuclear Weapon. And then work with our allies and partners in the region to take on terrorism. We have terrorism sanctions. They are still in place. The congress is looking at whether there should be additional sanctions iran for the terrorism sanctions and iran for this . There are current terrorism sanctions against iran. And everybody has to remember that at the beginning of the negotiation, all of our allies and partners in the region said only make it about the Nuclear Weapon. Because were not in the room, and we dont want you deciding our interests would you tell us there. And as you know, this was a Multi Lateral agreement. This wasnt just a u. S. Agreement. It was all the permanent members of the Security Council plus the European Union and germany. So, this was a very serious undertaking. There werent great choices here, but keeping iran from getting a Nuclear Weapon is certainly in our National Security interest. Eugene, it does seem you cant miss sort of the oddity of the fact there is admission that iran is complying with the agreement. Right. On the other hand, you know, we do have this catastrophic issue and i even just took a trip to iraq last week. We have this catastrophic issue with iran being a sponsor of terrorism. So, what do we do . Well, as the ambassador said, the agreement, the negotiation that led to the agreement was strictly limited to the issue of a Nuclear Weapon. And there is no up side that i can see from abrogating that agreement because in fact, iran kind of got a lot of its benefits at the beginning of the time period because they got sanctions lifted. They got a bunch of money freed. Whereas we get our benefits over time. We get to inspect the nucle program really minutely, we g to learn much more about it. We get to make sure they dont have a bomb in ten years. So, why would you cut that off . After theyve gotten their goodies, we havent gotten ours. Thats the complex part, they did get money out of this. There are no Good Solutions but they have taken some of that money, i assume, because they are still sponsoring terrorism doing horrible things around the world. Right. We said to everybody and we said to capitol hill, they will undoubtsedly take some of the money though it is not the billions everybody said it is. Most of it was frozen iranian money in foreign accounts that then got freed up, though a lot of that was chinese loans. They got some money into their hands and some of it will go to the iranian guard corps. They were doing nefarious things with little money. It doesnt take a lot to be a terrorist as we have unfortunately seen in this world. Everybody has to remember, greta, if you look at the north korea situation which were all looking at these days as well, you want to make sure that people dont have a Nuclear Weapon. But nobody is suggesting were going to solve all of the irans problems and all of north koreas problems unless you want to go all the way to a regime change, which means war and no one has the appetite, nor wants the consequences of the catastrophe of war. You bring up north korea. There is another policy question playing in the Trump Administration today. Trump administration now stating that the United States Aircraft Carrier was not actually heading towards north korea. The administration had previously said it was. Heres what the president said last week. We are sending an armada, very powerful. We have submarines, very powerful, far more powerful than the Aircraft Carrier. That i can tell you. Now, that same day i repeated that point what the administration had said in an interview with sean spicer, and spicer did not correct the record. The uss carl vinson is steaming its way towards the coast of north korea. Were just waiting for saturday to see if kim jongun does something, has another Missile Launch on the birth date of kim ill sun his grandfather. Whats the program . We need to get the World Community in agreement, particularly china today sean spicer tried to clear up the confusion. The president said we have an armada going towards the peninsula. Thats a fact. It happened it is happening, rather. It is headed to the korean peninsula. It will arrive there. What is tlap . Its headed there now. It wasnt thats not what we ever said. It was heading there. It was heading there, it is heading there so that remains the allies have if there is an impression then thats not there should have been clarification from people who were seeking it. Eugene, okay. Before we get to the substance of it, it appears that the pentagon and the white house are not speaking to each other because what the white house says, this came out of the pentagon essentially. And this is just across the river. Right. Its just across the river. There has to be a lot of communication. The white house has to know where our Aircraft Carriers are and it doesnt. So, i mean, there is no sort of rational explanation for this. But but its disturbing. Were talking about north korea and were telling north korea that were sending them there and who knows what theyre going to do. And were not. So, look, you cant the white house, the president cant just say random stuff thats not true over and over and over again. No one will believe what he says. I dont know if he said it was true if thats what he was told. I mean, that was there was some statement that came out that i think misled the president. Well, i think, you know, gene is making the important point here which is the credibility of the president of the United States. If we get to a very tough place with north korea and we have to take real military action, will anybody believe us if our allies constantly dont believe and cant believe what the president of the United States says . Thats whats really at stake here. I share your incredulity. We could send a carrier pigeon across the river. Were talking about a president who says he delegated authority to the commanders which means he trusts them to know what theyre doing. They have to tell we do believe in control. Yes, we have to tell them. Thats what i find look, mistakes can be made, but something as big as this, you know, and i dont know why we dont know where our ships are going or not going. For a week nobody raised their hand. Anyway. Youve been on a carrier. Thank you both. Thank you both. And as you have probably heard, there is a major shake up today in tv news. Bill oreilly is officially out at fox news as he faces multiple claims of Sexual Harassment. 21st cenry faid, quote, after a thorough and careful review of the allegations the company and bill oreiy have agreed that bill oreilly will not be returning to the fox news channel. And late today, bill oreilly releasing a statement saying in part, it is tremendously disheartening that we part ways due to completely unfounded claims. Now Everyone Wants to know what i have to say since i worked there. All i can say is this. What a difference a year can make for a lot of us. Thats all im going to say. Still ahead, congressman Jason Chaffetz and why he is not seeking reelection and whether its anything to do with President Trump. Also the special election in georgia heading to a runoff, but will President Trump hit the campaign trail, could that actually hurt the republican in the race . Plus isis fighters wiping out homes and churches in the middle east. New information from my easter trip to iraq. I never miss an Early Morning market. But with my back pain i couldnt sleep or get up in time. Then i found aleve pm. The only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. And now. Im back aleve pm for a better am. Now to political news. It is rocking capitol hill, House Oversight Committee Chairman utah congressman Jason Chaffetz dropping the bomb he is not going to run for reelection come 2018. Meanwhile, as chairman of the oversight committee, he has been in the hot seat with complaints about President Trump and he has been critical of President Trump in the past. The president said that he thought there was widespread, you know, voter fraud. I dont see any evidence of that. Were not doing an investigation of that. Thus far, i have not seen anything directly that would support what the president has said. Youre recusing yourself . I do think he needs to clarify and i think he should recuse himself absolutely. Joining me, utah congressman and chairman of the House Oversight committee Jason Chaffetz making news today announcing he wont run for reelection. Nice to see you, mr. Chairman. Hi, greta. So, why . Why are you walking away from all this power . Well, you know what, i just turned 50. Im sleeping on a cot in my office. Ive spent more than 1500 nights away from my family and, you know what, i happen to love my wife and adore our kids. My life has changed over the last year. Two of three of my kids are married. Were soon going to be empty nesters. I really, really like the work in congress, i really do, but i love my family more. People may try to make it more than that, but its really that simple. Have you spoken to speaker ryan about it . I did. I called him last night and he said, boy, i didnt see that coming. And then he said, please dont do that yet. And i said, well, i didnt call to ask permission. I called to inform you that jul julie and i have made that decision. He was very nice. Im very good friends with the speaker. I like paul ryan as a person and i listened to him, but i let him know where i was at. All right. The chairman of the House Oversight committee is a very powerful position. You have taken President Trump to task a bit. Does that have any bearing on your decision . No, no. Look, the contention that is the tension that is between the executive branch, the legislative branch, i thrive on that. I like it. You know, were very contentious with the obama administration, we have been with the Trump Administration and, no, i worry that im going to miss that a little bit. You know, i was a place kicker once upon a time in college and i dont mind being in the fire storm. In fact, i kind of thrive to. Im kind of attracted to it. But, you know, stepping back and saying, hey, theres more to life than being a member of congress, im doing what i said i was going to do, serve, and then get out. One of the controversies is President Trumps tax returns. Everyone is clamoring for them. Whats your position on that . M position is its not against e law, you know. I disagreed with the president. When donald trump was campaigning, i said very clearly, if youre going to run for president , you should have to open up your kimono and show everybody everything, including your tax returns. So, i was very critical of him. But it is not required by law. And ive had democrats and others who want to have me issue a subpoena to get those tax reforms. Its just not going to the country isnt going to operate based on what Jason Chaffetz believes. They should actually be a law to do that. And im actually working on that and i think they should have to disclose their medical background and i think they should also have to disclose their taxes. But given that its not in the code, i dont think its right to just force somebody to have to do that. So, what about your future . Is politics over . Well, im just saying im not going to be a candidate for the senate seat thats up in 2018 nor am i going to run for the house again. I very well may come back into politics at some point. Im not going to close the door on that. Id like to be a vocal voice in politics. But ive got to find the right balance in my life, and that balance has gotten a little out of whack. Ive got to get a bit more with my family. A lot of people are addicted to this. Its hard to walk away from this. Ive known you a number of years. I believe you. I believe its your family and its time, i got that. But a lot of people, its hard to walk away from washington. Well, they call it potomac fever for a reason, and it is contagious and it is excitin and dynamic and you can do things that others cant do. But, you know, it does take a bit of a strong will to say, youre willing to give that up. But my priority is my family and my hierarchy of needs, the family is first and well do other things. Well be engaged. Well be out there publicly. But its just i wish more people would actually get in, serve, and get out. Thats what youre supposed to do. Congress says republicans couldnt get health care passed. What is going on obviously i see at the freedom caucus, i see the dissension. Why cant things get passed . Look, republicans have the house, the senate and the presidency. We have to look to ourselves in the mirror. We have two big tasks this year. One is to repeal and replace obamacare and the other is to engage in meaningful tax reform. And i still think we can accomplish both, but were on the clock. Time is passing and weve got to get those things done or were going to spell doom for ourselves in many fronts. Are you disappointed in congress . It is frustrating. I mean, when you have 535 people who are all want to control the lever and do their thing individually, it is a bit frustrating, but i bet its been frustrating the last couple hundred years, you know. At some point i wish others would say, hey, look, im not going to get everything i want, take the sort of Ronald Reagan approach to say im not going to get 100 of what i want if i can move and get 80 , is that good enough . And i do wish there was more coming together on stuff. Weve done that in the oversight committee. Elijah cummings and i. The majority of letters weve sent this year, weve done together. We passed meaningful bipartisan postal reform. I know thats not on the top of everybodys list, but we did it in a bipartisan way. It passed out of our committee unanimously, but you never hear about those things. Yeah, i get frustrated with congress and i think the country does. Its usually people leave in the minority. Youre the maty. Youre the chairman so theres been much attention on it. I wish you the best of luck and i hope to get over the camera see that cot that you sleep in your office with. Come on over, id love to show you. Anyway, nice to talk to you. Thanks, greta. Will President Trump get back on the campaign trail, or could that hurt candidates running in tight races . Ill talk to the new chair of the rnc. And suing a knee owe nazi, this woman says a knee owe nazi website publisher sent hundreds of online trolls after her. The antisemitic attacks are heinous and hateful but does she have a legal case . She joins me live. And more of my exclusive reporting from mosul, iraq. The persecution of christians of children that i saw with my own eyes, how can we stop this blood shed . Dont let dust and allergens get between you and lifes beautiful moments. Flonase allergy relief delivers more complete relief. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause all your symptoms, including nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. Flonase is an allergy nasal spray that works even beyond the nose. So you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. Flonase. 61 changes everything. House and republicans running for President Trump or not . Today republicans claiming victory in the georgia runoff because democrat jon ossoff couldnt clear 50 . Karen handel got 48 . Trump responded tweeting big republican runoff in georgia. Glad to be of help. She never mention the the president but was asked about his help. Do you think President Trump will come to georgia and campaign with you . I would hope so. Look, all republicans, its all hands on deck for us. Very quickly, President Trump only won there by 1 percentage point. Are you certain that he will be an asset for you in the district . Again, it is all republicans, all hands on deck. So, we are going to be united. There is intense fork us on this race in georgia. It is a republican district but its not known as trump country. Trump won the district by a mere 1 point. Is the president planning to campaign for the republican challenger there . Will he go to georgia to get out the vote . I dont know. If needed, i think the president is going to make sure that he does everything he can to maintain majorities and further the party, but well see if were needed. Is he expending too much Political Capital on a race republicans should be winning easily . You know, its interesting. I thought that some of the coverage was a little intriguing as i watched it. Suddenly the democrats went all in on this race. They spent over 8. 3 million. They said on the record that their goal was to win this race. They lost and the reaction has somewhat been, you know, that they almost won. No, they lost. With me, the chairwoman of Th Republican National Committee rhonda. She happens to be mitt romneys niece. I said it once, i wont say it again. Also she brought me a hat. I love when guests bring me presents. Its a tigers hat. Welcome to washington. Thanks for having me. I have to represent the Detroit Tigers having a great season so far. Its early. Just wait. So, tell me, this race down in georgia, democrats and republicans both claiming victory. The democrats were all in. They spent 8. 3 million. They had one candidate they alcoa less all coalesced around. They had samuel l. Jackson. They said we want to get to 50, win it outright. They missed their goal. Does that mean republican victory . Yes, because we knew we would go to a runoff. Theyre not saying that, go ahead. We were shooting for the runoff. Now well coalesce around our base. You have to look at the vote totals last night even with our divided base. Our vote total among republicans surpassed what jon ossoff gained in the election. Between now and june 20th, how much i assume the Republican Party just like the Democratic Party is going to go hog wild over the candidate. For whatever reason, were using this as some sort of test for the midterms. Yeah, were all in. Weve been in that district, the rncs had five offices open. Weve been getting out our vote even though we couldnt engage in the primary and support a candidate. Were going to continue to do that. We want to bring people to washington who are going to help the president govern and accomplish his agenda. And i think the voters of georgia as they get to know jon ossoff more theyre liking him less. He couldnt even vote in his own election, he doesnt live in the district. 97 of his money comes from outside the district. Hes bringing hollywood into the district. Theyre recognizing hes not well suited to represent them. Well see what happens. Between now and june 20 has a lot to do with it. Some of the town halls have been pretty rugged for the republicans. Senator joni ernst the other day, she got clobbered by some of them and i assume there are democrats coming in the town halls just like republicans going to democratic town halls. She backed away from the president. Theyre taking their message to their voters. Theyre listening to them. Theyre going to have differences of opinion with the president. She said he had flaws. Someone said he has flaws, she said yes. She was put in the hot seat. I think everyone has flaws. Were not always going to be in lockstep. Thats okay. Thats what makes our party great. We dont have a top dow philosophy. President obama and the democrats were always aligned on everything and they didnt have a discussion, they didnt have a dialogue, they didnt tick it to their constituents. Were going to do that its in the end it will help us govern better. You were head of the rnc in michigan and now its the national, bigger, bigger picture. Much bigger, its great. Reince left me big shoes to fill. I hear that all the time. He did a great job. I understand what it means to run a state party, to build a ground game, to turnout your vote. The mechanics of the election is what the rnc is going to if not to focus on. You have a big surprise with Jason Chaffetz. Thats been typically a pretty secure republican seat so not too much to worry i went to college in his district so i think it should be okay. Anyway, welcome to washington. Good luck in your new job and thanks for the hat. Thanks for having me. 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Reuters says that in june they circulated a plan that recommended the kremlin launch a Propaganda Campaign to encourage u. S. Voters to elect a president who would take a softer line toward russia. David is senior politics writer for u. S. News and world report and francesca chambers is White House Correspondent for the daily mail. David, do you know we have been talking about this and saying this, but these documents which i have not seen myself, but the documents certainly the plot thickens. A new piece of evidence emerges that russia meddled in the 2016 president ial election. I think were all aware of that now. We know that russians meddled in the 2016 election. But they denied it. If we now say, aha, see it to the russians. We do this in other peoples elections. The u. S. Government meddles in other peoples elections through social media. I dont think its that shocking they would. The extent of it is interesting and what were trying to figure out here in washington, was there any collusion with the Trump Administration, which would be a crime, which would be treason. Thats the big question that we still dont know. But its pretty well established that they attempted to swing the election. We know that. We do know that. We did know that. But because of classified doments an whatnot, we havent be presented with the sort of evidence that were seeing today and thats part of the reason why russia has said, like provide us the evidence. Were not going to admit to anything until you provide us some evidence. Of course theyre going to deny this as well. But im not surprised that an organization thats staffed by former officials from russia would have wanted to elect a president of the United States that would take a softer stance towards russia. Given all the sanctions that the United States has put on russia. Does want be someone who is going to be more favorable to and actually meddling in and interfering with an election . I dont know what these papers show they did. What does meddling mean . Social media propaganda, that means theyre trying to change public opinion. We dont know if they did, right . Thats an inference were making. We dont know that and i dont know exactly to take your point what meddling means. Meddling is a vague term and i havent seen these documents. I think thats exactly we havent seen the documents so i would like to see a little bit more from them beforehand. Yes, it does say social media propaganda. On social media. On social media. How is the white house responding to all this . They think this is now behind them . Well, we havent been talking about russia yet for a while, so i will be very interested to see potentially what the white house has to say about this new piece of evidence tomorrow. But i would assume that they will kind of take the same exact line, which is, numr e, this is something we knew about already. And number two, there werent any Trump Officials mentioned in it. Its not an example of collusion between russia and the trump campaign. We have been seeing more and more republicans calling for the returns to be released. Youre running for president , youre president , you should release your tax returns. Do you think the president should release his tax returns so that we know whether hes acting in the best interest of the American People . I think he should. I think he should. [cheering and applauding] as far as im aware, the president says hes still under audit and said [ booing ] and now republican senator, not democrat, but republican senator James Lang Ford also saying, quote, he promised he would release his taxes. He should keep his promise. The tax return issue even following vicepresident mike pence on his trip to asia. Well, during the course of the campaign we released our taxes. And youll continue to do that as vicepresident . As i told you, it was a pretty short read. Were a family of pretty modest income. I expect well continue that tradition. The president will make his own decision about how to handle that issue. David, i dont think anyone is going to change his or her vote based on this, on the tax return thing. And its almost like its a great fundraising vehicle for both sides. For President Trump theyre picking on me, and for the democrats hes hiding something. I think most republicans would say that they believe donald trump should have released his tax returns. But they dont care. They dont really care. Theyll say that in answer to a question. I think for democrats it is a fundraising mechanism. It is a way to jen up their base. I also think theyre beating a dead horse. With Everything Else going on in the world right now, this issue was litigated during the campaign. We thought it might hurt him. People ended up not caring. Theyll tell you in a poll they care, but its not going to be a defining issue given Everything Else going on in the world for them. So, Chuck Schumer said something really interesting about this on a call with the reporters sort of previewing the next democratic line of attack, which is that when trump comes to them and tries to get his tax deal, that the line is essentially going to be, well, we dont want to negotiate with you because how do we know that what youre proposing wont benefit you and it wont benefit your businesses so you should release your taxes to prove that thats not true. Donald trump, President Trump will say he doesnt care. Once again, were back to the fundraising issue. And no republican will abandon him on tax reform if they can get that because trump wont release his joni ernst and these people coming out and saying that, theyre not going to not vote for tax reform package just because of that. The democrats are going to do this the entire time. Theyre going to oppose trump at every turn. Of course. But i do find it to be interesting that hes already putting that out there. This is how were going to fight you on your tax plan. Were going to make this not out to be a tax break for all the millionaires and the billionaires. Were going to point out this is probably a tax break for you. How can we know . We dont know that. We havent seen your taxes. So, i think thats what republicans should be be preparing for as they go into we havent seen, by the way. Democrats will be saying that, but i think it will be of no moment. I dont think it will make any difference. They want to keep it in the news which is what theyre doing. Thank you both. Still ahead, this montana woman satz a neonazi sent an army of online trolls to attack her. Does she have a legal case . She joins me next. In the middle of the night. Hold on dad. Liberty did what . 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Hail victory. [cheering and applauding] the story begins with richard and his mother Sherri Spencer y person in the story. The mother, sherri, owns his building in white fish montana renting to local businesses and then there is tanya gursh, a jewish realtor who also lives at white fish. At the heart of this case sherri. She was interested in selling the building after groups threatened to protest because of her sons White Supremacy views. Tanya the realtor was advising her but she backed out and claimed sherri was trying to extort her. Enter andrew england. After hearing about this published this article calling for a troll storm against tanya, even telling people to go and see tanya in person. What came next was down right heinous. Tanya was called everything. An oven dodging christ killer, a slimy jewest. They told her 12yearold son he should kill himself. Time was also told, she should have died in the holocaust with the rest of your peopleful. Now tanya is fighting back for invasion of privacy and Emotional Distress and violating montanas antiintimidation act. He denies he incited any violence. Joining me is tanya and her attorney from the law center. Tanya, i read some of the things that are said, reading the complaint, there are far worse thin things. And the people that tweeted your 12yearold son is unthinkable. Shouldnt have said it to you as an adult, but to your son is even more horrifying. Just to get the sics, the woman, the mother of mr. Spencer says you threatened her, they extorted. Did you ever threaten her . Never, absolutely not. Let me ask you, how did you meet her . You know what, i actually have never met Sherri Spencer. She called me one day and i answered the phone call. And why did she call you . She called me because i reached out to the tenants in her building, which are great friends of mine, out of concern for them. After Richard Spencers hailing. And she called me shortly after that and she asked me what she should do. And i just cant imagine that by me trying to help that this situation would have i would have ended up in this situation. Its unfathomable. Let me get a little more background context. This white supremacist was in washington, he said horrible things, the video went viral, his mother was getting heat back in mont moana and thats where s gets going a little bit. In filing suit, filed in montana, you know, what was done is awful. But youve got to have a cause of action. Is this do you have a strong cause of action . I think we have a really strong cause of action, greta. Andrew england intended to make tanyas life miserable in in ev way that he could. He provided his followers with the tools to do it, gave him all their contact information, suggested that they go after her son as well. This was an orchestrated campaign of harassment. If theres ever been a case of intentional infliction of Emotional Distress, this is it. Its like i go through this list. Im not even sure i can read some of this stuff on the air, some of the stuff that was said to you. I mean just horrible things. Have you ever spoken at all, tanya, to mr. Englund . I have not, no. Just the endless amounts of communications from him and his followers at all hours of the day and night for months and months straight, and the terrorism still has not stopped. Do you feel unsafe . I mean these people are doing it on the internet, but is it do you feel unsafe . I absolutely feel unsafe. He encouraged his followers, his hundreds of thousands of followers to come and visit me and tell me what they think of me. He encouraged them to call me up and have me take them on a tour of real estate so they can get me alone. I look in both directions every time i leave my house. Richard, if you win the lawsuit, she gets money, but thats i mean like, you know, you still got the problem. Yeah. No, look i dont know what other solution you have, but tell me. Well, look, youre right, greta. The civil system provides for damages. Were going to look for punitive damages as well as compensatory damages, and the punitive damages hopefully will be a large one that will punish england and really send a message to other people who might follow in his footsteps that theyre going to be held accountable for launching a troll storm on anyone. This is i tell you, most of the stuff i cant even read its so heinous and terrifying and to a 12yearold kid to boot, not that its okay to do to adults. Well be following it. Thank you both for joining me. Um canning up, the fight against isis rages on. What can we do to help the people most atrisk. My report from mosul. Thats next. Im dr. Kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. Energy lives here. 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I want to again highlight the persecution of christians at the hands of isis. They are targeted, their homes destroyed. Some are tortured and viciously murdered only because of their faith. This is a humanitarian crisis that ive seen with my own eyes during my recent trip to iraq. This is a church. Reporter catholics worshipped and was burned by isis. You can just see how it was destroy destroyed. Thats the seat of isis they painted on the wall. This is after they desecrated it, burned it down. Ive never seen anything like this. Ive been all over the world. Ive seen everything. Ive been to refugee camps. But when you see the utter destruction here and as terrible as these buildings look, just think what it did to the people. With me, National Security reporter ben kessler. He recently turned from a monthlong reporting trip to iraq. I was there wit samaritans purse. Every time i go to Something Like this, its stunning. Its hard to believe the. The humanitarian pricis on both the east and west site of mosul is something that the u. N. , human rights watch, even the Iraqi Government is they consistently put out new numbers. Its hundreds of thousands of people coming out of mosul. I read an article you wrote about a march 17 air strike. Tell the viewers about that. This was an air strike that the u. S. Likely caused civilian casualties by hitting a building where they had taken civilians, put them into the second floor of a house, and then essentially taunt the u. S. Into dropping a bomb on them likely caused about 250 civilian casualties. Its just stunning, things you cant imagine. When i was there, we were shown what isis does is they take like human toys and booby trap them, and the kids will pick them up. Isis is known for putting for booby trapping a number of things, but one of the things theyre doing extensively in western mosul now is knocking out walls in between buildings, and theyre pushing civilians, essentiallherding them into groups, 40, 50, and then drawing fire from Coalition Air strikes. The story is so underreported because its so profoundly dangerous. I mean the thing about underreporting is that isis has they have sort of a litany of horrible things that are happening. And you cant cover every single part of the atrocities that are happening. You have to take in the entire picture. You talk about what theyre doing to religious minorities at one point. You can talk about what theyre doing to civilians at another point. But its almost too much to wrap it into a comprehensive package to talk about every night as to what theyre doing to a particular group of people. The towns around there are like a ghost town. Theyve run the christians out of there, but they have in mosul, as the iraqi forces are coming in, theyve trapped civilians in there, using them as human shields. Thats right. A christian town on the way to mosul is completely burned out when you drive through there. Theyve essentially set fire to all the buildings, and when you drive through there on the way to western mosul, theres no one there anymore. I mean an entire village that was populated largely by christians, now theres just a couple families that are tending to shops on the road there. Now, they have consistently pushed civilians into the city and driven them in using them as human shields and theyve essentially perfected that technique at this point. Ben, great reporting. Thk you. Thank you. Its just incredible what happens, you know. Its jus hard to believe. Anyway, thank you for watching. Ill see you back here tomorrow night at 6 00 p. M. Eastern. If you cant watch live, set your dvr. Follow me on twitter greta. Im also on facebook. I put a lot of pictures and video from whats going on in iraq right now. Hardball with Chris Matthews starts right now. Oreilly out. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. 21st century fox announced today that bill oreilly, tv host and best selling author who has dominated Political Television for 21 years as the nis officia. It was reported oreilly or fox had paid out for five cases of Sexual Harassment against the popular host for a total of 13 million. The women who made the allegations either worked for him or appeared on