0 maddow show right starts right now. >> good evening chris, thanks my friend, much appreciated. thanks for joining us this hour, when the day this is been. be true. turns out it was rudy. here's the front page at cnn.com right now. giuliani led fake electors' plot. here's "the washington post's" version of the that same front page story today. giuliani coordinated plan for trump electoral votes in states biden won. it was mr. giuliani, apparently. you know, you find a little thread of a story, you tug and you tug and you tug some more an one day you're like one more tug on the same thread and the whole sweater comes apart. today the whole sweater came apart and now we're sitting in a pile ofno yarn and you're going oh, that's what it's made of. here's how cnn put it in their story tonight. quote, trump campaign officials led by rudy giuliani oversaw efforts in december 2020 to put forward illegitimate electors from seven states that trump lost, according to three sources knowledge of the scheme. members of former president donald trump's campaign team were far moredo involved than previously expected. giuliani and his allies coordinated the nuts and bolts of the process on a state-by-state level. the trump campaign lined up supporters to fill elector slots, secured meeting rooms at statehouses for the fake electors to meet on december 14, 2020, and circulated drafts. behind the scenesci giuliani an campaign officials actively choreographed the process. "washington post" in their piece on this today also has this important new piece of news. quote, vice president pence's chief of staff marc short e tells the "post" that rudy giuliani forwarded to pence's office letters arguinglectors sn these states that biden, in fact, won. mr. short reviewed it but was not persuaded. so rudy giuliani and associates directly conveyed to vice president pence and his staff that pence should count the fake ones, should open the forged fake elector counts and count those instead ofct the real one when it came time to tally up the electoral college results. and per today's reporting mr. giuliani led the efforts at a nuts-and-bolts level, incluing distributing the drafts. it'sin interesting. all reporting on this says some version of this, rudy giuliani and company, rudy giuliani and associates, or rudy giuliani and others from the campaign. well, who else? well, we've got direct evidence, evidence on tape, that other people at the trump campaign were involved in trying to get state legislators -- state legislatures to pretend the fake electors were real torque give some perceived legitimacy at the state level that these were real when it came time for mike pence to count the forged elect ter slates thanks to a small group i michigan, the michigan information and research service, mirs, which focuses on covering the michigan state capital. god bless mirs in michigan because we can hear all of this alleged conspiracy out loud as it happened on tape. listen. >> hi, representative -- my name is angela mccallum and i'm calling from trump campaign headquarters in washington, d.c. i know you're very busy, but i did want to personally reach out to you t on behalf of the president as you've got an opportunity toe be a crucial pt of his re-election. we just wanted to make sure you know how you could be helpful in ensuringlp that every american represented and can rest assured that their vote will be fairly and correctly counted in this election.un the united states constitution provides that the state legislators retain sole authority to designate the presidential electors. you do have the power to reclaim yourth authority and send us a slate of electors that will support president trump and vice president pence. this is w an effort that is happening in other states as well such as pennsylvania, arizona, georgia. there are p state legislators across the country who are standing with the president to stop this voter fraud from happening under their watch. we want to know when there is a resolution in the house to appoint electors for trump if the president can counts on you to join in support. my number is -- thank you so much, representative. >> thank you so much. thank you isou much. just calling to let you know that we're overthrowing the government of the united states to stop thert new president fro taking power by sending trump electors from states that trump didn't win, and if you want to help us overthrow the government of the united states and stop the president from taking power and keep the guy who lost in power instead, we have found out this one unique trick to do it, you know, so give us a call. that call, again, published by mirs news in michigan was a voice mail left by the trump campaignt for one michigan sta legislator. again, trump lost michigan. this was an effort by the trump campaign to say effectively don't worry, as a state legislator, you can send an electoral college slate of ee electors for trump. the voice mail says, hey, you totally have the authority to do that, we need youilhe to help. the president asked me to call you. he's counting on you. it'sou interesting. for forgive me for saying it this way. it's interesting that that call is so sort of lame, and the reason i say that is because -- i mean i don't know that there is i a punchy way to do a call like wathis, but this was like rote enough function of what the trump campaign was doing in 2020 that they just had campaign randos leaving this kind of thing on people's voice mail. hi, so and so, whatever, we're overthrowing the government, okay? call me when you have a sec. we need you do a thing. clearly that was not the only call. this was someone who was clearly exhausted from making these calls all day long, i surmise, from the tone, which isn't fair, but the sort of benality tells you this is not something that one or twoyo people were doing a rogue effort. "the washington post" reports today that understanding the origins of the fake elector slates hasak now become a focusf the n january 6th investigationn congress. thaty seems undeniably true. today the chairman of the investigation told reporters that the investigators are looking into weather there was a broader conspiracy or involvement from the trump white house and the creation and submission of the fake electors. i should also mention that the trump campaign staffer who left that sort of insanely benal voice mail, she herself was subpoenaed back in november. we reached out to her tonight, but sheed did not wish to comme. but clearly, you know, she's not the one y who came up with this plot. she was making calls as part of it because by then it was sort of a mechanized oefrt what they were doing as a campaign.s clearly the january 6th investigation is on this. it is a focus of theirs. their s&ps campaign went out i november, so they've been on this for ave while. increasingly as more of this comes clear, it's also a focus in the states, not just in the january 6th investigation in in the , not just beltway press, not just here, but in the states where republicans forged these fake documents to try to change the apparent results of the election. the states are starting to get quite focused on it too. in nevada, for example, the governor of nevada was asked today about whether this was all criminal. thist th is from the local cbs station in las vegas today. watch. >> the 8 news iteam recently reported the national archives received documentation from the nevada gop certifying the state's six electoral votes for former president donald trump even though president joe biden won. here's the governor weighing in. >> well, if they send fraudulent or fake electoral votes in, absolutely. it's up to theto attorney gener to decide what he's going to do ine' terms of filing charges. our democracy is at stake. you can't have people filing false reports and fake certifications and what not. >> they sent frad lent or fake electors, absolutely. was committed. that's nevada's governor speaking d.today. so far the attorney general in nevada has put out a statement saying he's not confirming or denying if any state investigation is active on this matter, but he's assured the public his office is aware of it and it's, quote, on our radar. look in nevada. this> was the front page of th "las vegas sun" today. legal line crossed. nevada's gop faux electors. look at this on the front page of the "detroit free press." a.g. says fake electors. she hopes they prosecute. this is "the arizona republic." no details on false electoral document. trump backers refuse to explain alternate plan. in wisconsin it was across their front page. still no ruling on gop tactic. alternate electors were ignored. questions linger. that "still no ruling" reference in wisconsin has to do with the uncertainty on whether republicans took part in that fakere elector forgery, whether they are potentially going to be referred for prosecution or investigation either at the state or federal level. you'll recall that in michigan the attorneyu' general there referredto the issue to federal prosecutors. she said publicly she'll prosecute it under state law if they don't underte federal law. today she told "the washington post" she believes it's a, quote, open and shut case of forgery of a public record. that was michigan. in new mexico, the attorney in general referred it to federal prosecutors. in wisconsin there wast some interesting new this week which i think gave rise to that headline in the "wisconsin state journal." the new this week in wisconsin was that a county prosecutor, the milwaukee county d.a. who had been asked to look into this matter for possible prosecution, this week he released a letter just yesterday saying that his office has looked into this matter and they have handed it off to state law enforce management inte wisconsin, the wisconsin department of justice, which is overseen by the state's attorney general for them to potentially prosecute it. that lands this as the wisconsin journal puts it -- excuse me the "milwaukee journal sentinal" puts it. but this is live. mine this is front page above the fold news in multiple state over theth course of this week. and with theou focus of the january 6th investigation on this issue and revealing more about it all the time with this new revelation today with cnn from "washington post" that mr. giuliani seems to have headed up, itul seems like we're only going to get more. and theto january 6th investigation today showed a whole bunch of its work in a kind of shocking letter to ivanka trump, the adult daughter of former president trump. this has been a remarkable few days for the trump family. i meanor just in the past 48 hours, we've had news reported by cnn that eric trump and kimberly guilfoyle who's the fiance of eric trump have had their phone records subpoenaed. and don jr. and ivanka trump and their father t former president have been accused of being involved in aac very detailed lurid list of bank fraud, insurance fraud schemes at the family trump real estate business. i think it t must have been unsettling for those members of the trump family that the allegations were laid out in particular to each one of them. thert filings from the new york attorney general this week, for example, stated this about ivanka trump, quote, until january 2017, ms. trump was a primary contact. that's not good when the attorney generalat says that abt you specifically and personally while asking theut judge to enforce the subpoena for your testimony after your brother t blond one, just had to bleed the fifth over 500 times in his recent deposition in that case. and that's not good. but nowd -- i mean all in this same 48-however period now we have this bombshell letter to ivanka trump from the january 6th kainvestigation, and in thi january 6n,th investigation letr to her, we do not have harsh allegations against her personally the way we do, for example, from the new york attorney general, but we do have a surprising number of sort of eye-popping revelations about what the committee has found out thus far, what the committee knows, and there are lots of questions for ms. trump to come in and talk about apparently over what she features in other people's testimony. there's so much going on with this today. we're going to get expert help in just a moment. but let me just give you a couple of them to start. this is from the letter. as january 6th approached, president trump attempted on multiple occasions to persuade vice president pence to participate in his plan to not count the allergic mat electors for the electoral college vote. one of the president's discussions with the vice president occurred on the phone on the morning of january 6th. you meaning ivanka trump, you were present in the oval office and observed at least one side of that telephone conversation. general keith kellogg was also prejts and he has testified to the january 6th investigation about thaty discussion as follows. question, and there's this transcript. question, it's been reported that the president said to the vice president, you don't have the courage to make a hard decision. and mayberd not those exact wor but something like that. do you remember anything like that. answer from keith kellogg. words, i don't remember exactly either, but, yeah, you're not tough enough to make the call. question, another report of this phone callqu is that trump said mike,s it's not right. you can do this. i'm counting on you to do this. if you don't, i picked the wrong man. you're going to wimp out do. you remember that? keith kellogg, yeah, words like that, yes. i can't exactly -- it's tough, but yeah. keith kellogg at the close of the call. ivanka trump turned to me and said mike pence is a good man, and i said, yes, he is. the letter then continues. the selectle committee wishes t discuss the part of the conversation yourt observed between president trump and vice president pence on the morning of januaryum 6th. similarly the committee would like to discuss any other information you may have witnessed. theu committee has information suggestingco that president trump's white house counsel may have concludet that that the actions that president trump directed vice president pence tu take would violate the constitution or otherwise be illegal. did you discuss these issues with any member of the white house counsel's office? to your knowledge, were any such league conclusions shared with president trump? similarly, i mean, grrr. similarly, in the days before january 6th, a member of the house a freedom caucus with knowledge of the president's planning for that day sent a message f to the white house chf ofhe staff with this explicit warning if potus allows this to occur, we're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic. did you discuss that or similar concerns with the white house chief of staff or with the vice president or his staff? the committee after all of that goes on toth assert that trump actually did intend, he did want to go down to the capitol himself afterdo he made his speh riling up the crowd. hee apparently wanted to lead e mob down to the u.s. capitol personally. they said they want to ask ivanka about that.t the committee also asserts they have foundit no evidence that trump ever called for the national guard to be deployed or for any other law enforcement effort to be made to protect the capitol over the entire scope of the day on january 6th. it just goes on and on. these aren all revelations abo what the committee has found. it ends pointedly with a reminder to ms. trump that all white house officials need to have their communications preserved and handed over to the nationaled archives with the clr implication thatve perhaps her communications have not been adequately h archived and she needs to do that. but, man, between the electoral -- the forged electoral votes finally being unwoven so we can now seeun where those came from within the trump campaign, we can now see apparently rudy giuliani -- remember, president trump put rudy giuliani in place to mounlts some sort of pseudo legal effort to keep trump in power even though he lost the election.h apparently what giuliani did was helmt this effort by sending o this fill-in-the-blanks mad lib forged documents even though those were states trump lost. we also now know from the january 6th committee not only that they're focused that area but that they've uncovered a lot of information t about it and ao uncovered a lot of information including in the white house and the oval office on january 6th both by the president himself and among people we would otherwise previously have thought were supportive of his efforts that day. what day thisfo has been, man. we've got expert help to unwrap all of this and much more 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