Been shot and killed, and one of them is a Police Officer from the city of boulder, and thats basically it. The press conference that we saw just a little while ago didnt have very much information at all, so thats the official word. And earlier today, there was a live stream that showed what was happening immediately after that shooting, during that shooting, that paints a pretty clear picture. So, were going to kind of work through what we watched on that live stream. Were going to be very careful about the images that we show you, and were going to avoid any type of speculation, just sticking to what we saw on that live stream. So, a little bit earlier this afternoon, that live stream started when a man who was coming into king soopers to do some shopping, which is that supermarket, started to notice that something was amiss. He started to ask people what was going on. He heard active shooter. And then he decided to start a live stream to document what was happening. And thats when you start to see the camera pan from body to body to body. There were at least three bodies that we saw in that video. We dont know if those people survived. We dont know if those people were injured or possibly playing like they had been injured to avoid being shot. But we can tell you there were three bodies, two of which appear to have been face down, one of them in the parking lot, another one at the entryway of the king soopers, and then another one inside the king soopers right at the front entrance. There was also a Security Guard there that appeared to have been trying to call somebody on his phone, and then when the live streamer asked the Security Guard what was going on, the Security Guard said, the active shooters inside. And at that moment, the live streamer went out to the parking lot, started yelling at people to get away, get away. And you start to see some of the chaos. But it was a very bizarre scene, because you expect to hear panic, and you expect to see a stampede, and you saw people running away, but there were no police around. So there were these odd moments of calm, and then all of a sudden, you would start to hear multiple rounds fired from inside of the king soopers. Some of those rounds sounded loud and reverberated. Others sounded like cracks. And so, its unclear if there were multiple guns involved, or it might have been the acoustics inside that building, but there were shots being fired. And they you started to see the Police Descend on the king soopers en masse. There were dozens of police that were approaching the front of the king soopers. There were some Police Officers that were bringing in a ladder truck from the fire department, making entry from the roof. And from what we understand from witnesses, they may have been cutting into the roof and dropping into the second story where some people that were inside of the king soopers were hidden, barricaded. But again, very few details coming from the police, themselves, right now. All police are saying is that there are multiple victims, and one of those victims who died was a boulder Police Officer. Lawrence, back to you. Any indication when we will know more . Reporter unfortunately, they said to check with their twitter, and they said that all information is going to be coming from the Boulder Police department. So, weve been watching their social media channels, but so far, no indication as to when we might get an update. There was an update a little bit earlier that just said that they were going to be notifying next of kin of all the victims before they released more information, including the number of victims. And lawrence, this sounds very odd, but there was one thing that we saw in that live stream that could explain why it may be so difficult to determine the amount of victims. They may have to do with what were seeing or it may have just been the confusion of those moments. But during the live stream, when we saw some of the bearcats and some of the heavy armament coming in from the police department, we saw the bearkat, that big armored tank, basically surround a vehicle with some officers flanking it, and say, hey, come out of the vehicle, we have your vehicle surrounded, we can see you in that vehicle, we can see you in that vehicle. And they kept repeating that over and over again. And then the live streamer had to move. So, we couldnt see what happened, but then all of a sudden, the officers around that vehicle kind of relaxed. So, its unclear if there were possibly multiple victims in that parking lot, inside their cars, or if it was a case of mistaking some clothing or something for a possible person in those vehicles, but very intense levels of confusion all throughout. And right now, police are going methodically through that parking lot as well as through king soopers to find additional victims. But at this point, all we know is multiple victims, one Police Officer. Lawrence . Gadi schwartz, thank you for that reporting. Well be coming back to you if and when more information develops tonight. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Reporter absolutely. Well, in a Court Appearance today, George Tanios mother told a federal judge, quote, hes not a bad kid. He is 39 years old, and he is accused of assaulting capitol Police Officer brian sicknick, who died in the hospital he was brought to after the attack on the capitol on january 6th. George tanios mother and others testified in a hearing in which they were hoping the judge would release George Tanios from custody. The hes a good kid defense did not work. Federal magistrate judge Michael John Malloy said, it is hard for me to look at this as anything other than an assault on this nations heart, and i dont think ive ever seen anything play out in a way that was more dangerous to our community and i have no question that, in your own way, mr. Tanios, you chose to be part of that. Prosecutors told the judge that tanios, along with a partner in his crime, julian khater, was captured on video discharging bear spray into the face of officer sicknick and two other officers. The judge agreed with prosecutors that tanios must remain in custody awaiting trial. Some of the 400 defendants already charged in the attack on the capitol might find themselves facing an added charge of sedition. Sedition is defined as a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the government of the United States or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States. Sedition carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in federal prison. The former acting u. S. Attorney for washington, d. C. , michael sherwin, a trump appointee who led the investigation until earlier this month, now says the evidence does support sedition charges in some cases. Like a very low bar, and i wonder why youre not charging that now. Okay, so, i dont think its a low bar, scott, but i will tell you this. I personally believe the evidence is trending towards that and probably meets those elements. Do you anticipate sedition charges against some of these suspects . I believe the facts do support those charges, and i think that as we go forward, more facts will support that, scott. Michael sherwin explains the importance of the notyetcompleted autopsy report in the death of officer brian sicknick. The medical examiner has not yet determined how officer sicknick died. If the medical examiner determines that his death was directly related to the bear spray, would you imagine murder charges at that point . If evidence directly relates that chemical to his death, yeah. We have causation, we have a link, yes. In that scenario, correct, thats a murder case. The New York Times has assembled and released a new video of the january 6th attack on the capitol that intercuts realtime police audio as the events unfold. Chaser 50 12 up to help maintain the lines theyre throwing bike racks theyre throwing bike racks chaser 50, they are behind the lines you need to pull back the resources, you need to go inside or pull back if theyre getting behind you. You dont have enough resources. Weve got to hold what we have lets go all mpd go up to the upper deck all mpd pull back to the upper deck, asap upper deck get their helmets off. Get their helmets off. Chaser 50 [ inaudible ] 10 33. I repeat, 10 33, west part of the capitol we have lost the line have all units respond. Do what were trained to do ask all military and sworn officers to come to the capitol. Leading off our discussion tonight, democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio. Hes a member of the House Appropriations committee and chairman of the legislative branch subcommittee, which oversees the Capitol Police. Also, neal katyal, former acting solicitor general and msnbc legal contributor. Congressman ryan, let me begin with you. And when you see that video and see how it was unfolding at the capitol and hear in real time with images attached the way the police were overwhelmed and the sequence in which they were overwhelmed, how does it feel for you to be reliving all of that as you see it play out in that video, and then, of course, what needs to be done to prevent that from happening again . Well, it makes my blood boil. I mean, i just watched it again, you know, before the show here, and my blood boils to think about how these cops were treated. You know, in one of the scenes, you can see someone basically sideline tackle a cop over the rail. You know, smacking him upside the head with lead pipes. I mean, this is absolutely disgusting behavior to Police Officers who are sworn to protect and serve, to not just people at the capitol or members of congress, but people who visit there. And for us to, on the heels, lawrence, on the heels of an election, where all of those supporters there, and the president , went out of their way to lie and try to present the democrats as somehow anticop or against the cops, and to watch those very supporters do what they did on film disgusts me, and i will make sure that the u. S. Attorneys office and our committee, that they have the resources to make sure that they go after everybody they need to go after. When you look at that video and you consider that 12 of your republican colleagues voted against a commendation for the service of the Police Officers on that day, what can you say to them when they join you in committee hearings, when they try to proceed with other matters of government, when they see all of that, they see that video and they vote against those officers being honored for what they did . Well, these votes are about choices, who are you for and who are you against . And if you cant be for the Capitol Police on that day. These are the same Capitol Police that saved a lot of lives a few years ago, too, lawrence, during the congressional baseball practice. It was the Capitol Police that took the hits, that got injured, and shot and killed someone who shot Steve Scalise and shot at other members of congress. They protect us. And as a sitting member of congress, you cant even say, that a boy, you know . Great job thanks for doing that for us we have moved so far away from the respect and dignity that these cops deserve. And we have all said, including joe biden, that we dont support violence on any side, especially violence against cops. That is unacceptable in the United States of america, whether its on the left or on the right. And these people cant even condemn what we saw at the capitol on that day. I think its shameful. Its a sign of the times. And its a sign of how far off the mark the right wing has gone and the Republican Party has gone. Neal katyal, after seeing that 60 minutes interview with the former prosecutor who was in charge of this investigation, and then today reading the statutory definition of sedition, which i had read before, but matching it up now with what we know, just that attempt to delay the word delay in the statute delay a governmental process. It seems the elements are there in the statute. Yes, 100 , lawrence. I think there are two different issues. One is, you know, what should these insurrectionists be charged with . And the second is, what in the world is this trump appointee, who is still a federal prosecutor, doing giving an interview to 60 minutes on it . Just on the latter, it is so on brand for a trump appointee to go cash in, do a pr offensive before he leaves office. But it is not the way the Justice Department operates. The Justice Department speaks in port. It doesnt speak on 60 minutes. So, i think these remarks were very unfortunate, and the Defense Attorneys already are making hay with them. Now, with respect to the statute, as you say, it actually fits this to a t. And i think the congressmans absolutely right to call this activity disgusting, and i think the federal magistrate judge today who said it was an assault on the nations heart is right, and the right label for these types of offenses is seditious conspiracy. You have these people who launched an armed assault to try and prevent the people in congress from doing their job, and they possessed federal property, which is by itself meets the statute. Its often hard to make these cases, but i think this is one in which the evidence is very much supportive of the seditious conspiracy charge and the label should be used. And the last thing id say about this interview from 60 minutes yesterday is that he went on to say, well, i dont want to play monday morning quarterbacking about all of the hundreds of people that were released on january 6th. Thats what the trump appointee said, which i find, frankly, outrageous, because this guy was literally the sunday quarterback. He was the chief Law Enforcement officer for the district of columbia. Hes the one who ultimately, you know, is responsible for letting all of these people go and not bringing charges on january 6th. And you know, thats why weve had Law Enforcement struggling to make all these identifications after the fact. Fortunately, a lot of these people use social media and posted and bragged about it, so some of the cases are easy, but its a very unfortunate situation. Neal, as a Justice Department veteran, what does it mean to now have Merrick Garland in there as attorney general, in control of all of this and having more biden staffers, more Biden Administration staffers taking positions there . I mean, its a breath of fresh air. And i dont mean its not politics. I just think that biden has appointed people to the Justice Department who understand the department, who understand its traditions, who dont go and breach those norms willynilly. And so, youve got in Merrick Garland really one of the nations most respected jurists on both the left and the right ever in our nations history, and someone who knows the Justice Department well, who ran the Oklahoma City bombing investigation and the like. So you know, i think were going to expect professionalism and competence. Neal katyal and congressman tim ryan, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. We really appreciate it. Thanks, lawrence. Thank you. Well, after four years of president ial cruelty, deliberate cruelty at the southern border, we now have a president who is trying to combine enforcement with compassion and humanity, and republicans think that that is a crisis. Republicans actually say that humane treatment of people at our southern border is a crisis. Thats next. R is a crisis. Thats next. Introducing the new sleep number 360 smart bed its the most comfortable, duallyadjustable, footwarming, temperaturebalancing, proven quality nights sleep weve ever made. Dont miss our weekend special. Save 1,000 on our most popular smart bed and adjustable base. Plus, 0 interest for 60 months. Ends monday. We are joining a press Conference Live in boulder, colorado, dealing with the shooting there that had multiple victims. That is all we know of at this time. Officials intend to start that press conference momentarily. We have been given very Little Information so far about what happened in this shooting today. Gadi schwartz joined us earlier to report that the authorities were not sure when they would next release information about this. They have not released any information about the shooter. They have not released any information about how this began or how many people were injured or killed in this shooting. We are joined now by june kavanaugh, msnbc Law Enforcement panelist and retired atf special agent in charge. Youve been studying everything weve been able to learn about this all day. What were seeing here is someone who is just helping set up the Camera Position so people will know the Public Information officer for the city of Boulder Police department. Were going to go straight to it. Were going to have three speakers during this press conference. The first is police chief maris herold. Her name is spelled maris herold, then District AttorneyMichael Doherty and then someone from the sheriffs office. Chief herold. Thanks. The first thing i want to say is our hearts of this community go out to the victims of this horrific incident. We know of ten fatalities at the scene, including one of our boulder pd officers by the name of eric talley, whos been on the Boulder PoliceDepartment Since 2010. He served in numerous roles supporting the Boulder Police department and the community of boulder, and i have to tell you, the heroic action of this officer when he responded to this scene at 14 30 hours, the Boulder Police department began receiving phone calls of shots fired in the area and a phone call about a possible person with a patrol rifle. Officer talley responded to the scene, was the first on the scene, and he was fatally shot. I also want to commend the heroic actions of the officers responding not only from boulder pd, but from across the county and other parts of this region. Police officers actions fell nothing short of being heroic. I also want to thank the men and women who responded, including state, local, and federal authorities. Obviously, this is a very complex investigation that will take no less than five days to complete. And again, my heart goes out to the victims of this incident. And im grateful for the Police Officers that responded. And i am so sorry about the loss of officer talley. And again, we will be here working night and day. We have one suspect in custody. I want to reassure the community that they are safe and that we will try to do our best over the next few hours to identify the victims and well be working with the Coroners Office to do that as promptly as possible, because i know there are people out there waiting for an answer, and i am very sympathetic to that, and we will work around the clock to get this accomplished. With that in mind, im going to turn this over to District AttorneyMichael Doherty. Good evening. Boulder has suffered a terrible and horrific mass shooting today, and i want to second what the chief said about the appreciation for the local, state, and federal partners that have responded to this location and to help with the investigation. This is not the first mass shooting that weve had in the state of colorado, and one thing thats happened in response to each and every one, including todays horrific acts, is the response that we have from Law Enforcement partners throughout the metro area, victim advocates from throughout the area around boulder, and investigators from local, state, and federal agencies, as well as prosecutors from the u. S. Attorneys office and from my office to ensure that justice is done. My heart goes out to eric talleys family, his loved ones, and his colleagues. He was, by all accounts, one of the outstanding officers at the Boulder Police department, and his life was cut far too short as he responded to the shooting that was taking place at king soopers. I also want to suppress how incredibly sorry i am for all the victims who were killed at king soopers. These were people who were going about their day doing their food shopping, and their lives were cut abruptly and tragically short by the shooter, who is now in custody. I promise the victims and the people of the state of colorado that we will secure justice and do everything we must do to get justice in this case. In order for that to happen, a painstaking investigation is already under way, both at the crime scene and in interviews, to make sure that we receive all the accurate information. Once that information is secure, we will be sharing that with the media and with the community. I would say that i hope the people of this country send the families of the loved ones their thoughts and prayers. But from my perspective, theres more for us to do than just give them our thoughts and prayers. Were going to go all out to ensure that the right result is reached, and thats why im very grateful that we do have local, state, and federal agencies all responding to this location here today to ensure that the investigation is thorough and complete and ensures that we reach justice in this case. As i mentioned, the shooter is currently in custody. He was injured. With an eye towards the prosecution of that case, were going to be very careful about the crime scene and how we go about this investigation. We owe it to the families of all the victims, each and every one of them, to ensure that justice is done. And i promise you, that is our commitment, and we will work tirelessly to get there. Im going to turn it over to u. S. Attorney matt kirsh, who is here on behalf of the u. S. Attorneys office. And get, i greatly appreciate the local, state, and federal cooperation on this investigation. Thank you, michael. Im matt kirsh, acting u. S. Attorney for the district of colorado. This has obviously been a tragic event, and im here simply to assure both the families of the victims and the community that the full weight of federal Law Enforcement is going to support the effort that d. A. Doherty just described to seek justice in this matter. Ive already spoken with my counterparts at the atf and the fbi. Theyre here on scene as well. And as i said, were going to continue to support this investigation as completely as we can. Thank you. We are not going to take any further updates as of this evening. We will put out our next update early tomorrow morning. We will post a picture of the officer on our twitter feed shortly. Thank you for your patience. We will continue to post updates as soon as we can. But the next update, anticipated update, will be first thing tomorrow morning. [ inaudible question ] yes. It is officer eric, eric, talley, talley. He was 51 years old. He had been with the Boulder PoliceDepartment Since 2010. Thank you. [ inaudible question ] since 2010. Not tonight. We will have our next update with questions for tomorrow morning. Will that be a News Conference . We will announce it on twitter. Yes, we will have another update in the morning. Thank you. That was eric talley the officer correct. And were joined by jim kavanaugh, msnbc Law Enforcement analyst and retired atf special agent in charge. Jim, the only real update we got there was confirmation of the death of a boulder Police Officer, and his name, eric talley, 51 years old. We just heard a tenyear veteran. He was the first officer to respond to this shooting situation. The radio call that came about a shooting situation. He was the first one in the door at that supermarket and he was killed in the line of duty. We do not know how many other people were killed. The District Attorney did refer to the victims. He referred to the phrase, all the victims. He said some of them were food shopping. We also know from the District Attorney that the shooter is in custody and was injured in this situation before being taken into custody. We dont know how he was injured. Jim, what do you take from the information we just learned . Well, all that youve said, lawrence, that the officer was the first responding officer, and you know, he ran into a rifle. And you know, its pretty hard to deal with that. I mean, if he was able to get a long arm out of his cruisers, hes still dealing with a shooter who can see him coming, because you know, you have your uniform, you have your marked car, youre screaming up there with a siren and a light. He knows who you are. He can be crouched behind anything and take you out. Thats the danger of responding to these. I thought the chief of police said there was ten dead when she spoke, and we hadnt heard that number before. Theyre keeping it pretty tight. They want to work the crime scene slowly, are still notifying next of kin. Were in that horrible time when family members are calling the cell phones that are just not being answered. And they suspect that their family members are there. And so, it is heartbreaking, really. Were going to see a search of the suspects residence, wherever that may be, or vehicle, if hes local. Thats going to happen tonight, im sure. His next of kin is being interviewed and you heard the d. A. And the u. S. Attorney talk about all of the investigators, detectives from boulder pd and Jefferson County sheriffs and the state police and atf and the fbi. Theyve got all the resources to get everything done. And they have to do it, lawrence. Theyre going to have a prosecution here, others in capital prosecution like in atlanta. We have two Mass Shootings in a week and in both cases we have the suspect in custody. Oftentimes the suspect is killed by police or commits suicide, so its a little different this week. Jim kavanaugh, thank you very much for joining us on this coverage. Really appreciate it. Thanks, lawrence. Well be right back. Well be right back well, donald returned to the scene of his crime today. He stepped into georgia politics by endorsing a republican primary challenger to georgias republican secretary of state brad raffensperger. Donald trump endorsed georgia congressman jodi heist, who announced his candidacy for secretary of state. The republican primary will be held next year. And the problem for jody hice is that the man who endorsed him today has a very strong chance of being convicted of Georgia Election law crimes before the republican primary. Brad raffenspergers campaign for reelection for secretary of state will, of course, very likely feature his televised testimony as a prosecution witness in the criminal case of georgia versus donald trump. And so, the value of a convicted criminal trump endorsement in a state where he like georgia is anyones guess, but republicans in the state Legislature Want to make it much more difficult for the people who gave georgias electoral votes to President Biden and two senate seats to democrats to be able to vote again. Today, a Georgia House committee passed a bill that would restrict Voting Rights by imposing new voter i. D. Restrictions, restricting early voting, and drop box locations, restricting those, also, and making it a crime to give water to anyone who is waiting in line to vote for hours. Joining us now is congresswoman Nikema Williams of georgia. She is the chair of the Democratic Party of georgia. Thank you very much for joining us again tonight, congresswoman williams. First of all, your reaction to donald trump, his reentry today into georgia politics with an endorsement in a candidate running for the office that will preserve the integrity of elections. Integrity and donald trump should not be used in the same sentence and its amusing that jody hice thinks this is something that will benefit him. It might get him out of a republican primary, but i know that we have democrats lined up ready to run for every office up and down the ballot, and well be ready. The laws that the Georgia Legislature is considering right now, every one of them is clearly designed to prevent people from voting who were the voters who delivered the state to democrats. Lawrence, we played by their rules. They created the laws that we were under in this past election cycle. We played by their rules. We won, and now they want to change the rules. But they can do whatever theyre trying to do here at the state legislature by enacting their jim crow 2. 0 laws, but at the federal level, we have already passed hr1 in the house, and its moved on to the senate. And so, thats where my focus is. We have to make sure that no matter where you live in this country, whether it is georgia or california or wherever you live, that your right to vote is standardized. Everybody should have the same access to the ballot, no matter where you live in this country. And right now, georgia republicans are pushing through their jim crow tactics. We might not be counting jelly beans in a jar, but the end result is still the same, to keep people who look like me away from the ballot box. The georgia republicans just seem ashamed that georgia voters didnt vote for republicans. Lets see what joe biden said about this when he was in georgia. The fact that you held a free and Fair Election in georgia that stood up to recount after recount, court case after court case, is something you should be proud of. The fact that your poll workers, your election workers, your volunteers, your local officials, your state officials, your courts stood up to the immense pressure with character and honesty and integrity helped save our democracy. This country will long be grateful for it. Congresswoman williams, in a sane world, the republican secretary of state in georgia would be running for reelection on a version of that speech joe biden just gave. Well, you just made the point. In a sane world. And nothing about this makes sense, lawrence. Were continuing to do the work, talking to voters on the ground. And what voters knew in georgia in february was there is only one party in the state standing up for all georgians, and thats the Democratic Party. And the Republican Party here, when they are not willing to run on their issues and run on their party platform, the only thing that they want to do is restrict who can actually show up and whose votes are counted. But were the party who stands by counting every vote and making sure that everyone has access to the ballot box. Were going to continue to do that. Thats what well stand on. And thats why voters will continue to vote for democrats in this state. Congresswoman Nikema Williams, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you. Well, a trick question for most politicians is, what would you not do to get reelected . Most of them will do anything to get reelected. Theres nothing more important to them than getting reelected. 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The night before the house vote, president obama gave a final rousing speech to house democrats. But what did lincoln say . I am not bound to win, but i am bound to be true. Two generations ago, folks who were sitting in your position, they made a decision, we are going to make sure that seniors and the poor have Health Care Coverage that they can count on, and they did the right thing. And im sure at the time they were making that vote, they werent sure how the politics were, either, any more than the people who made the decision to make sure that Social Security was in place knew how the politics would play out or folks who passed the civil rights acts knew how the politics were going to play out. They were not bound to win. But they were bound to be true. President obama tells the story in his book a Promised Land this way it was often those with the most to lose who needed the least convincing. Tom perrie nk llo, a 35yearold human rights lawyer turned congressman who eked out a victory in a majority republican district that covered a wide swath of virginia, spoke for a lot of them when he explained his decision to vote for the bill. There are things more important, he told me, than getting reelected. Its not hard to find people who hate congress, voters who are convinced that the capitol is filled with poseurs and cowards, that most of their elected officials are in the pockets of lobbyists and big donors and motivated by a hunger for power. When i heard such criticism, i usually nod and acknowledge that there are some who live up to these stereotypes, but i also tell people about tom perriellos words to me before the health care vote. I describe what he and many others did so soon after they had first been elected, how many of us are tested in that way, asked to risk careers weve long dreamed of in the service of some greater good. Those people can be found in washington. That, too, is politics. And joining us now is the honorable tom perriello, former democratic congressman from virginia. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. Thanks for having me, lawrence. So, the popularity of the Affordable Care act has now built to the point where reelection in your district would not be a problem, but thats 11 years too late for you. Well, thats much less important than the fact that weve seen tens of millions of americans lives change for the better. Weve seen the slowest rate of Cost Increases in the last 50 years. People with preexisting conditions able to get coverage. And president obama bet his presidency on that risk. And some of us had the honor to be there to help get it across the line. And i think its helped inspire a new white house to say, youve got to put your presidency on the line to save lives and make a better america. I think were seeing that again. Well, you bet your career, your congressional career, on that same vote. And what was it like knowing that you were doing that, knowing that as you were casting that vote, that your political future was in your hands . You know, i lived in sierra leone for a couple of years during the end of the civil war with some of the bravest women ill ever know standing up for justice and peace in their country, and i had a pretty strong sense that their worst plights in life and being a former member of congress arguably is a better gig than being in congress. But you know, when i decided to run for office, i actually asked my parents permission. I dont think i had asked their permission in a long time for anything. And my father said, as long as you remember that judgment day is more important than election day, you have my blessing. And i wore one of his old wool suits to cast the vote. He passed very suddenly a couple months after seeing me sworn in. And you know, in many ways, he was a pediatrician who just saved lives all day and changed kids lives. And i still get calls from so many constituents who say, you know, this is why my family was able to stay together, this is why we didnt have bankruptcy. And thats just so much more important than a second term. But i also see in this president , President Biden, that same sense of my dads adage, that hes a lot less focused on the politics of reelection than of our National Resurrection to a more perfect union. And i think that courage is really something that is desperately needed in our politics, and its exciting that people are drawing some lessons from the obamacare fight, both to go bold and a new wave of legislators to go even bolder, and i think thats great for this moment. And were seeing a huge new surge in enrollment in the Affordable Care act now that President Biden has opened the enrollment. And tom perriello, for all of those people who are enrolling and for the 20 million who have already used it and their families, i want to convey to you their thanks, which im sure they would want me to convey to you, for that vote of conscience, and thank you very much for joining us tonight on the 11th birthday of the Affordable Care act. Its an honor to be here. It was an honor to pass the vote. Thank you so much, lawrence. Thank you. And well be right back with more of the breaking news from colorado. Right back with more of the breaking news from colorado were back with the breaking news from boulder, colorado, where the police chief just confirmed that ten people were murdered, including Police Officer eric talley, in a mass shooting in a supermarket. Back with us, nbcs gadi schwartz. Gadi, the Police Officer was the first one in, apparently, first officer to respond to the scene, the Police Officer who was killed. Reporter thats right. Thats what were hearing, that that first officer on scene made entry and at some point was confronted by the gunman, and that first officer is being called heroic after losing his life, confronting that gunman. But right now, what we know is that there were ten victims of this shooting, including that officer, and then, somehow, that gunman was taken into custody alive inside the king soopers. Now, we dont know the gunmans identity. We have seen video of one person that was injured with what appeared to be a leg injury or some injury on his lower body, being led away without a shirt, without pants, in handcuffs, and we believe that may have been the suspect, but right now, police are not releasing any suspect information, any motive. All they can say right now is ten fatalities and they lost one of their own tonight. Lawrence, back to you. And they are still working on positive identifications of all of the victims, and of course, they have to notify families of those victims before they can release any of those names. So, its that process thats going on tonight before we get those names. Reporter absolutely. Its going to be a while before theyre able to talk to all of those families. Theres a lot of other people that are in colorado, in denver right now, in the boulder area, that have been trying to get as much information from police as possible, and theyve set up a line that they can call in. But again, a lot of families grieving tonight. Lawrence . Nbcs gadi schwartz, thank you very much for that report. This morning a suspect is in custody after yet another mass shooting. Ten people are dead, including a Police Officer in boulder, colorado. The question is why . Plus, breaking news. Federal Officials Say theyre concerned about the data that astrazeneca provided about the effectiveness of its vaccine. The question is, will this further undermine confidence in that particular shot . And new developments on the border as the Biden Administration sends top u. S. Officials to mexico and central america. The question is, are migrants being released into the u. S. Without contact information