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And to keep pushing contentwise in terms of getting an answer while your subject is trying to blow you off, and you have to not get distracted in this instance by the sort of adorable interruption that happens in the middle of you doing your work where we encounter the republican senator from mississippi and learn about how lovely his family is as depicted on his Christmas Card this yearf it all happens in a short period of time. Youre about to see it here. This is hard to do. But haley talbot from nbc and Julia Boccagno from cbs get it done. They nail it. They get yelled at a little bit for their trouble before its all over with, but honestly, this is how you do it. If you want to grow up to be a reporter, this is how you do it. Lets roll it. Can we ask you about the iran briefing . Well, i cant talk about it. Its classified. How would you characterize it . Did you think it was sufficient . Were going to people are t calling it the worst briefing theyve ever got. Theres competition for that in this administration. What about articles of pooech impeachment . Thank you, thank you. T thank you. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tonight captured in motion as she moved across the u. S. Capitol. Do you listen when i speak . Do you . She said basically the answer is no, youre asking about my decision. Ive told you the grounds on which my decision has been made. The senate will get those articles of impeachment conveyed from me, the speaker of the house, when the Senate Declares their intentions for the impeachment trial on those articles. When they tell me what arena were going to be operating in here in terms of the next steps in this impeachment, i will then forward them the articles as well as the list of impeachment managers from the house and all the rest of it. Thats what i said i would do in the beginning. Do you listen when i speak . Because everything is happening all at once now and it is impossible to extricate these crises that we are having in our government right now, its impossible to extricate these crises from one another, in the same unbroken fastmoving trot across the capitol building, past all the statues through the rotunda and everything, you got to get her on the record on the other thing that that is simultaneously unfolding around this. Will you talk to us about the classified briefing you just received . On the justifications for the u. S. Military strike on iran. No, thats classified. Madam speaker, others are saying its the worst briefing theyve ever received. She answers theres stiff competition for that these days, bucko. Bucko is silent. This is the environment youre in right now, right . Youre a reporter working in the u. S. Capitol. You get 40 seconds, maybe, with the top democrat in washington because youre in the right place at the right time. She is in motion and you can physically catch her, literally you can catch up to her and keep up with her while she is moving and she does not slow down. If anything, she starts going faster, but you are capable of doing your job in this way. In trodding after her, you can get her to acknowledge your questions before she dresses you down with them. But, i mean, what youre seeing there from those two working reporters in capitol hill extricating that stuff from nancy pelosi is that how inextricable these multiple crises are. This is unfolding rapidly. Theres no break between these two enormous stories. How did the iran crisis start . Well, it was after the president was impeached by the house led by nancy pelosi. It was as the senate was preparing to come back to washington to reconvene. It was between him being impeached and him starting his trial that the president ordered this military strike which reportedly flabbergasted and stunned pentagon officials who were advising him on this matter. The president ordered up this u. S. Military attack to target and kill the number two most powerful official in the iranian government, the most powerful official in their military. And those two stories, this happening in the interregnum between him being impeached and potentially removed, that and the military strike he ordered during that interregnum, these two stories will not be disentangled. In the history of this time in our country, the history of this presidency, these things will always be on the books as having happened at once. And our political leaders are having to confront them both at once. Thats why you have nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, in one continuous, onthemove sound bite being asked about both the intelligence briefing on why the president ordered that military strike and when shes planning on sending impeachment articles to the senate. Yes, there is a brief interlude where she compliments a senator on the beauty of his family as depicted in their family Christmas Card, but other than that, its all one big story. As iran fired Ballistic Missiles at u. S. Targets inside iraq last night and President Trump today gave an odd, sort of stumbling speech in which he basically crowed about how those missile attacks from iran didnt do much damage, the consequences of the president s decision to launch this military strike are starting to maybe come into focus. Theres still considerable uncertainty about what might happen next or how big the stakes might ultimately be here, but as that is happening, today was the day that the administration decided they would finally brief congress on the key question, the question that will loom large in the culpability of this moment which is why the president chose to do this when he did it. Was there a good reason for the president to order that air strike against a Senior Iranian Government Official when he did it . Was the decision driven by some National Security imperative in the interest of the United States, or was it driven by Something Else . Which unavoidably a frontofmind question because he ordered that out of the blue in the middle of him being impeached. Its been almost a week since that strike that killed general Qassem Soleimani, the head of the quds force. The Iranian Revolutionary guard. Its been almost a week. Today finally the administration felt intelligence officials to congress briefings that were designed to convince both the house and the senate that the strike was legal and it was done for all of the right reasons. Based on what members of Congress Said coming out of those briefings, it didnt go well. This, however, is not the biggest problem i had with the briefing, which i would add is probably the worst briefing ive seen, at least on a military issue, in the nine years ive served in the United States senate. That is republican u. S. Senator mike lee from utah who came out of his version of the briefing today on the air strike against iran, which again was a briefing designed to reassure the congress that President Trump launched this military strike against this Iranian Military official in the middle of his impeachment, but dont worry, it was for all the right reasons. It was for reasons that were fine and sound and legal and not at all suspect. Senator mike lee, again, a republican, has long been a stickler for the constitutional prerogatives of congress when it comes to making decisions about war and peace. But his upset today would appear to be his revulsion for what the Trump Administration tried to sell him and other senators today. It seemed to go beyond just that concern. I went this there hoping to get more specifics as far as the factual, legal, moral justification for what they did. Im still undecided on that issue in part because we never got to the details. They left after 75 minutes. Now, i understand these are busy people. Theyve got a lot of demands on their time. Theyre appearing before a coordinate branch of government responsible for their funding, for their confirmation, for any approval of any military action they might undertake and they had to leave after 75 minutes while theyre in the process of telling us that we need to be good little boys and girls and run along and not debate this in public. I find that absolutely insane. I think its unacceptable. I can say that after that briefing, that briefing is what changed my mind. That briefing is what brought me on board together with the amendments. Im now going to support it. I walked in undecided. I walked out decided, specifically because of what happened in that briefing. What republican senator mike lee is saying at the end there about him now being decided. He walked into the briefing undecided and hes now decided because of how terrible this briefing was from the Trump Administration. Military and intelligence officials from the Trump Administration trying to justify to the congress why President Trump launched this military strike against iran. Senator lee says now, based on how terrible that briefing was, hes now definitively decided that he will support a forthcoming resolution in the senate to invoke the war powers resolution and essentially disallow President Trump from continuing any further military action against iran unless congress approves. We dont know exactly what that resolution will look like in part because part of what senator mike lee said today is that theyre now negotiating with the democrats about what the amendments might be to that resolution now that more republicans apparently want to sign on board of it. But that Senate Resolution is coming and were going to see a different version of it tomorrow in the house. Tomorrow this resolution will be brought up on the floor for a full house vote. They brought it up in the rules committee today so it could be on the floor of the house tomorrow. Its labeled a concurrent resolution directing the president pursuant to the war powers resolution to terminate the use of United States armed forces to engage in hostilities in or against iran. Quote, over the past eight months in response to rising tensions with iran, the United States has introduced over 15,000 Additional Forces into the middle east. The killing of iranian general Qassem Soleimani as well as irans Ballistic Missile attack on iraqi bases risks significant escalation and hostilities between the United States and iran. When the United States uses military force, the American People and members of the United States armed forces deserve a credible explanation regarding such use of military force. The war powers resolution requires the president to consult with congress in every possible instance before introducing u. S. Armed forces into hostilities. Congress has not authorized the president to use military force against iran. Therefore, pursuant to section 5c of the war powers resolutions, Congress Directs the president to terminate the use of the armed forces in or against iran or any part of its government or military unless congress as declared war enacted statutory authorizations for such use of the armed forces is necessary and appropriate to defend against an imminent armed attack. That is the resolution thats going to be voted on in the house of representatives tomorrow according to house Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Its going to be led by veteran National Security veteran and a new freshman democratic member of the house, alyssa slotkin. Now, nancy pelosi does not have a history of bringing legislation to the floor of the house unless she knows she can pass it. She doesnt tend to make mistakes in that regard. So we should, i think, expect that this concurrent resolution under the war powers act will pass the house tomorrow. The speaker also said today that in addition to that war powers resolution, they will advance legislation in the house to withhold funding for any war in iran and to try to overturn an 18yearold authorization for the use of military force which apparently the Trump Administration is now citing as the legal basis for what the president did with this strike against iran. But again, its not going to be just the house. Thats whats going to happen in the house. In the senate there will be an effort led by tim kaine. Former democratic Vice President ial candidate. Hes going to lead a war powers resolution sort of moment of reckoning in the senate in terms of what President Trump just did. We know as of today that it looks like at least two republican senators will support that effort. Senator mike lee, we know from his impassioned comments today, standing with him there, senator rand paul signaling that hes also in that same position. Again, whatever it was that the administration rolled out in these closeddoor briefings today in congress to try to convince the house and the senate that President Trump did the right thing for all the right reasons when he ordered this strike against iran, whatever they were thinking what happened here, it has backfired. On the house side, you saw people from the Foreign Affairs Committee Like jerry conley calling the arguments that he heard in this briefing on the iran strike today, quote, sophomoric. Decorated iraq war veteran seth molten said the briefers themselves couldnt even agree on what it was they were pitching to the congress in terms of the explanation for what trump did and when he did it. Democratic senators also didnt mince words. At least based on the presentation that was made, it does not meet what i consider to be an imminent threat. I would say that the briefing was incredibly thin on facts and to the extent they provided facts in my judgment, they did not support any claim of an imminent threat. I was deeply surprised at the lack of information presented by the administration. This appears to me to be a strike of choice by this administration, one that likely would have required congressional authorization. We did not get information inside that briefing that there was a specific, imminent threat that we were halting through the operation conducted last thursday night. I think it is likely because it doesnt exist. We had 97 senators there, 15 got to ask questions. As the questions began to get tough, they walked out. It seemed to reflect a very rushed and reckless action. It was deeply concerning today. I came away from this briefing really angry, deeply dissatisfied that after waiting this long for the facts that justified the killing of the second in command of a Foreign Government that the answers were unacceptably vague and unspecific. In fact, my takeaway from this briefing was that it raised more questions than it answered. How we got here is that in the middle of being impeached, the president launched a military strike targeting the government of iran. Today was their effort to explain that and say that there was a good reason for him to do it and it was definitely in the National Security interest of the United States. Wasnt at all motivated by his impeachment concerns or domestic political worries and sure it was legal, right . It was legal . This is the outcome of that effort to show the evidence, to persuade the house and the senate that it was all right. In the wake of this fiasco in washington today, the administration interestingly canceled its plans to have Vice President mike pence give a big iran speech on monday. On monday mike pence was supposed to lay out the Trump Administrations policy toward iran and their strategy toward iran and what exactly theyre planning on doing toward iran and what was the justification for the air strike. That was supposed to be monday. As of tonight, they have canceled that speech. It is indefinitely put off. Meanwhile, simultaneously, as the effort to try to present some sort of rationale for the president s action fails and falls apart and, in part, is abandoned, nancy pelosi isnt yet handing the articles of impeachment over to the United States senate. And the Senate Republican leader, Mitch Mcconnell, is insisting he wants to go ahead with the impeachment trial on his own party terms only with how the trial will be conducted. It was 21 years ago today, january 8th, 1999, when the u. S. Senate came to a unanimous 1000 bipartisan agreement how they would proceed with the impeachment trial of president bill clinton. It was the gwen eiffel who reported on that consensus that night for nbc nightly news. With the rest of the nations capitol stuck in the snow, the senate moves forward, unanimously approving a plan to begin the president s impeachment trial next wednesday. Supreme court chief Justice William rehnquist now presiding. Senators put aside party disagreements, unanimously setting in motion what they hope will be a fiveweek trial. 21 years ago today following a 1000 vote in the United States senate about how they would proceed in the impeachment trial against president clinton. In contrast, today republican senator Mitch Mcconnell who was part of that that 1000 vote wants to proceed with the impeachment trial of President Trump under rules that only republican senators will vote for and that no democrats support. So these two inextricable crises move forward. And as they move forward, you know what . In terms of whats going to happen next and the types of pressures that are going to change here, we dont know whats going to happen with iran. But we do have some inkling whats going to happen with impeachment. Because one thing that the republicans cant control that the white house apparently cant control, that apparently its going to be hard to distract from, is the fact that more new evidence and potential witness testimony keeps emerging with each passing day in the impeachment scandal. And that day by day is going to change the stakes for the Republicancontrolled Senate and them trying to do an impeachment trial that doesnt engage with any emerging facts or witnesses. I mean, in addition to john bolton saying he would testify in an impeachment trial, a revelation that reportedly left the white house scrambling in response, in addition to the hundreds of new emails that the Trump Administration tried to block from being released to the impeachment inquiry, which were neverless forced into the open by correspondent orders, emails showing the president s direct roll in ordering military aid withheld from ukraine. In addition to the classified supplement that was filed with the Intelligence Committee concerning the engagement of Vice President mike pence with the Ukrainian Government around the scheme for which the president was impeached, in addition to the recently revealed pentagon emails which showed the perception at the highest levels at the pentagon that the Vice President would be key in securing whatever it was that was being demanded from ukraine in exchange for them getting their military aid. In addition to a Federal District court judge ordering last week that Rudy Giulianis compatriot in the ukraine scheme, lev parnas, would be allowed to hand other to the Intelligence Committee the contents of his new iphone which he and his lawyers say are materially relevant to this impeachment investigation, in addition to that new evidence and new material about the core impeachment allegations that has surged to the surface since the impeachment articles were passed in the house three weeks ago tonight, in addition to all of that, as of tonight a Watchdog Group called american oversight has just received from the state department by court order additional documents that were supposed to be about Rudy Giulianis engagement with the statement on this scheme for which the president was already impeached. Just within the hour, american oversight announced they have received these documents. We have just ahold of them ourselves. We are reviewing them now. This is just the first batch. The day off tomorrow, american oversight is expecting yet more documents to be released, again, from the state department, things we have never seen before that the Trump Administration tried to block from becoming public that pertain to the ukraine scandal, the friday documents are expected to pertain specifically to President Trumps special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker. I mean, all of this stuff is still coming out, which will change the dynamics of the Senate Impeachment trial against President Trump and how much republicans in the senate are able to constrain it so none of that is discussed. Everything all at once. Senator chris von holland led the effort in the United States senate to try to force a full trial of the president in which witnesses will be heard, in which this new evidence will be heard and examined. The senator joins us next. Stay with us. Stay with us go where the new year takes you with tmobile. Get free smartphones when you add new lines. 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As it twisted its way through washington today, senators today were briefed by the administration on the purported explanation for why President Trump launched that military strike against a Senior Iranian Government Official last week on a bipartisan basis. Senators expressed dissatisfaction with those briefings today. Simultaneously, though, there is a joined fight between senators about whether or not the Senate Impeachment trial of President Trump will be conducted along anything that looks like bipartisan lines and whether or not new evidence that has surfaced since the house passed its impeachment articles and new witnesses will be heard in that Senate Impeachment trial. Joining us now is democratic senator Chris Van Hollen of maryland who has called for more witnesses and more evidence to be heard at the Senate Impeachment trial. Sir, thank you for joining us tonight. I appreciate you being here. Great to be with you, rachel. First, let me ask you about my perception, which ive described a couple times tonight already, which is my sense that there are these twin crises right now. There is this matter in terms of whats happening between the United States and iran, the possibility for further retaliation, the justification for that strike that the president launched against iran, and there is the ongoing negotiation argument, arguably crisis around the impeachment scandal. Seems to me like this is a double helix, like these crises are unfolding in an inextricable way. Is that fair . Thats very fair. And these are two crises that congress has an obligation to deal with under the constitution. I mean, congress has the power to declare war. The president cant unilaterally go out and do that. You are right to describe todays intelligence briefing as a disaster for the administrations position. First of all, the facts were very thin, and i can tell you that those facts did not support the administrations claim that there was an imminent threat. This was a choice that the administration made, one that has really made americans less safe and the region less safe. And has given the iranians a leg up on their major strategic objective in iraq, which was to reduce our influence and our position there, which weve seen happening. So youve got this going on, and then the other constitutional duty is of course for the senate to try a case. The word try is in the constitution, and every american knows that in order to have a fair trial, you need to be able to call relevant fact witnesses and get relevant documents. As youve just described, that has become more important than ever with the recent revolutions that have come out in the last couple of weeks. Now, you have called aggressively for the recent revelations to be aired out in the senate trial for the evidence that has been produced for the witnesses who either newly seemed relevant or who were volunteering now to testify to be actually harder as part of this trial. Theres no indication that senator Mitch Mcconnell wants to do any of that. Is it effectively settled now, the way the trial will convene and the way the trial will proceed given that he says that he can run things however he wants based on the votes of only republican senators . Rachel, i do not think its settled. Heres why. Mitch mcconnell, senator mcconnell clearly is trying to rig this trial, right . Hes trying to exclude witnesses and exclude relevant documents. Even if senator mcconnell is to start this trial without a promise to call witnesses, we will have an opportunity to make motions, to call witnesses, and to request documents. Those motions will be subjected to votes. And so we will need 51 votes. Now, senator mcconnell may want to put his head in the sand, he may want to say he doesnt want to hear or see evidence, but the question is whether all those republican senators are going to be complicit in trying to cover up the facts. And we need four republican senators, hopefully more, who will recognize that the American People want to see a fair trial, and that means a trial with witness ps and documents. So there will be votes. These republican senators will not be able to escape accountability on the question of a fair trial. Sir, you came out very early in support of house Speaker Nancy Pelosis ultimate strategy here, which was not to convey the articles of impeachment right over to the senate. Instead, what she has done is she said she wants to know what the arena will be in which these impeachment articles are heard, that she wants to know that before she hands the impeachment alders over and before she picks the managers who will try the case in the senate. You were very much in support of that Strategy Early on. Has that strategy effectively run its course now, or do you think the speaker is correct to hold out until she has the kind of assurances that shes been asking for . Rachel, i think she was absolutely right to take that position. I respect her judgment as to what the right time will be to send over the articles of impeachment. Because of her action, weve had a very public discussion throughout the country about what constitutes a fair trial and the fact that witnesses and documents are essential to that fair trial. I dont think we would have seen that level of attention. What you would have seen if Mitch Mcconnell had gotten those articles, he would have immediately launched into the proceedings the way he wants to without that discussion. Now we see a lot more pressure on senators, including republican senators, to be there to call these witnesses. I mean, my goodness. We had john bolton, who we know from dr. Fiona hills testimony, described the president s holdup of ukraine as a drug deal. And you still got people like Mitch Mcconnell and republicans who dont think that the guy who is witness to the drug deal should come and give personal testimony . Donald trump, President Trump on december 13th said he wanted mick mulvaney, the acting chief of staff to testify at a senate trial. Well, we do too. So what Speaker Pelosi has done is focus more attention on this, and i would finally say on this point that Mitch Mcconnell says he wants to do this like the clinton trial. Well, in the clinton trial, as you know, all the witnesses they wanted to call had already testified under oath in previous proceedings. In this case, none of the witnesses that we want to call have testified under oath in previous proceedings because the president has blocked them from doing it. So at some point were going to have a vote on this fundamental issue of fairness in a trial. And i think Speaker Pelosis strategy has helped highlight the importance of this issue. Senator Chris Van Hollen, democrat of maryland, sir, thank you for making time for us tonight. I appreciate you being here. Good to be with you. Thanks, rachel. We have much more to get to tonight. Do stay with us. I want nutrition made just for me. But i also want great taste. So i drink boost for women. New boost women with key nutrients to help support thyroid, bone, hair and skin health. All with great taste. New boost women. All winstead of using aloe, or baby wipes, or powders, try the cooling, soothing relief or preparation h, because your derriere deserves expert care. Preparation h. Get comfortable with it. Heres what we know about the civilian passenger plane that crashed just outside tehran early this morning, killing all 176 people on board. It was a Ukrainian International airlines flight. It had just taken off from tehran and was flying to the ukrainian capital of kiev. The plane took off at 6 12 a. M. Local team and reached nearly 8,000 feet in what appeared to be a normal ascent. But within two minutes it suddenly disappeared from radar. The plane then crashed into fields about ten miles from tehrans airport. 176 people on board all killed. They included 82 iranians, 63 canadians, most of the passengers were scheduled to transfer in kiev to a flight that would go on to toronto and canada. The Associated Press reports that many of the passengers who were killed were believed to be International Students attending universities in canada returning to school after visiting family in iran during the winter break. Thats some of what we know. Heres some of what we still dont know. We dont know what happened that caused that plane to crash. And we dont know how were going to find out what happened. This is a ukrainian airliner that took off from tehran before dawn. It took off on the same night that iran had Just Launched a dozen or so Ballistic Missiles at american targets inside iraq. As the New York Times put it today, just hours before the plane took off, quote, iran had fired missiles at two bases in iraq that housed United States troops, and Iranian Forces were on alert for an american counterstrike. The faa issued a notice last night, you might remember from our coverage, prohibiting civilian airliners from operating in the air space over iran over concerns that airliners might be mistaken for military aircraft. After the missiles were launched from iran, they put out this notice to pilots to stay clear of iranian air space. In terms of what we dont know and how were going to figure out what happened here, there is reason to believe that the plane may have been on fire before it crashed. This video was taken from the ground in iran. Its been verified by nbc news. It appears to show the ukrainian passenger plane on fire, aflame, streaking through the sky before it exploded on impact. Aviation experts are telling reporters today that the crash site bears the hallmarks of a plane that looks like it broke up in the air before it hit the ground. No big central crater, wreckage strewn over a large area. So its not surprising that at a press Conference Today to mourn the loss of 63 citizens, canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was asked directly the question thats on everybodys minds about this disaster. Can you say categorically one way or another that the plane was not shot down . I cannot. So now the question becomes how are we going to find out what happened to this plane . Was it shot down, accidently or deliberately . Was it some kind of horrific coincidence that a plane crashed out of that particular part of the sky on that night of all nights just after those missiles were fired from iran and the whole world was on tenterhooks waiting to see if there would be further military interaction between the United States and iran or proxies on either side . Because the crash happened on iranian soil, it is iran that will lead the investigation. Iran has already insisted that the crash was a mechanical failure of some kind. One official going so far as to plane that the engine exploded and the pilot wasnt able to gain control, even though theres literally no way that anybody could know that at this point. Iran is also insisting it will not send the airplanes recovered black boxes to boeing, to the airplanes manufacturer for analysis which would otherwise be standard procedure. But because the manufacturer, boeing, is an american manufacturer and iran doesnt want anything to do with america on this or any other matter, thats not going to happen this time. Its ultimately not clear whos going to get to analyze the evidence from this crash. Iran apparently is allowing a Ukrainian Team to participate in the investigation. Again, this was a ukrainian airliner. While canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said today he is, quote, confident that canada will also be a part of the investigation, canada, like the u. S. , has no diplomatic relations with iran. Its not even clear that iran will speak to canada about this, let alone invite them into the investigation, despite the fact that about a third of the people who were killed on board this flight were canadian citizens. So, yeah the question is what happens here, but more imminently, how are we going to find out what happened here . Hold that thought. Thats next. 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For obvious, but certainly circumstantial reasons, theres speculation over concern about the possibility the plane might have been shot down somehow, perhaps accidentally, a case of mistaken identity in the midst of last nights military conflict between iran and the United States. How are we going to get those answers . Joining us now is jeff guzzetti, former ntsb investigator and faa accident investigation chief. Thank you so much for being here. This is a very serious and concerning series of events. Thats a pleasure and an honor to have you with us tonight. Its good to be with you, rachel. So looking at this crash from this distance, obviously we dont know anything in terms of whats been looked at. We dont know anything about what kind of investigation is ultimately going to happen. But you told the Washington Post tonight, quote, to me it has all the earmarks of an intentional act. I dont know whether it was a bomb or an missile or incendiary device, but if the video of the flaming plane was accurate, i cant conceive of a failure that would cause that conflagration. What do you mean by that . Probably the word intentional act would be something i would probably correct in that, but it does have all the earmarks of something that isnt typically an aviation accident failure, that you explained in the opening. The circumstantial evidence that is out there in the public now, basically the radar track, the normal profile right after takeoff, a normal, smooth, within parameters climb to 7,900 feet and then suddenly nothing. Theres no more transponder. Its as if the entire electric system, to include the redundant battery backup all goes away. And then when you pair that up with the video, and if you take the video on its face that thats the video of the airplane, you got to remember the parallax. That plane is probably two, three miles away from whoever was filming it. And that was not just a light. That was a large fireball where chunks of, it appeared chunks of fire was coming off that fireball. And then it hits the ground and you see this giant plume of flame. Things like that just dont happen out of the blue in an aviation type of accident. It can, like twa 800 and other accidents, but that was a while ago. Todays airplanes this was a fairly young airplane are built to be able to withstand these types of normal failures. A missile or a bomb, not so much. But an uncontained engine failure or cargo fire, it takes a while for Something Like that to turn into a fullfledged flaming fireball, and that is it didnt take a while in this case. It was just two minutes into the flight. What do you expect in terms of the investigation of this matter . Obviously theres a lot of unique things about these circumstances, where it happened, the night on which it happened, the immediate and confused statements about what happened here. What do you think will happen in terms of investigating the cause of this crash . Rachel, im hopeful its going to be a transparent investigation. Quite frankly, you know, the head of the Iranian Civil Aviation Administration actually said that. You know, he doesnt want to speculate, and thats the right thing to say. They follow the International Playbook for aviation accidents. Its called the international Civil Aviation organization annex 13. Its been in force for decades. Most countries play by those rules. And it allows people to play in the investigation like boeing or ntsb or faa. I think there might be an issue with iran being a sanctioned country where theres actual laws in our country that will make it difficult for us to exchange technical information. And hopefully, you know, things can be worked out, waivers can be written for that. But Something Like this, its very tough in the aviation safety world to keep under wraps and to keep a secret. And i think that we will get to the bottom of it eventually. I dont know the mechanism by which thats going to happen, but i think we will know. Jeff guzzetti, air safety investigator and engineering specialist at the ntsb for 18 years before becoming accident investigation chief at the faa. Sir, thank you very much for your time tonight. Thank you. More news to get to tonight. Stay with us. T to tonight stay with us at . I think i forgot to lock my buick. Got it. I bet you lunch you cant make it in there. Im thinkin sushi. Alexa, ask buick to start my suv. You can do that . You can do that . You can do that . Yeah, with a buick. What . At the heart of every buick suv. Is you. Find out why buick is number one in dealer sales and service satisfaction. 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