Transcripts For MSNBCW The Rachel Maddow Show 20181111

Escape that fire in paradise, california. That one is called the camp fire. Its burning in that part of the state. But there are multiple large and dangerous fires burning right now in a bunch of different parts of california. Compounding the tragedy, one Southern California community that has been evacuated tonight because of the fires is Thousand Oaks, and this is the same Thousand Oaks, california, where wednesday nights mass shooting at a bar just killed 12 people. In the immediate wake of the shooting, a local Community Center in Thousand Oaks was used as a hub for families and friends of shooting victims. That was as of yesterday. Today that same location, that same Community Center had to be repurposed so it could be used to house people in the same community who have now been ordered out of their homes to escape these fires. So a compounded tragedy in Thousand Oaks and statewide. Just an incredibly dangerous and fastmoving situation with these large california fires today and into tonight. So were keeping eyes on that. Today is friday, november 9th, which means this weekend on sunday it will be november 11th. It will be veterans day, and veterans day is always a big deal in the United States. This is not a somber day like memorial day. It is a celebratory day when we celebrate the veterans among us. But this year veterans day is also the 100year anniversary of what gave us veterans day in the first place, the armistice that ended world war i. 100 years since the end of world war i. You now might remember that President Trump had initially demanded his own u. S. Military parade through the streets of washington, d. C. On the occasion of this years veterans day. The pentagon appears to have put him off that very expensive north korean style dream, and instead this weekend the president will be in paris for the commemoration of the end of the great war. And i mention that in particular because you should know that we are also expecting the president to do something during that paris trip that the white house is sort of desperately trying to play down. We are pretty sure that President Trump is going to be meeting oneonone with Vladimir Putin of russia during this trip to paris, even though the white house has announced no such meeting, the reason were pretty sure its going to happen is because the kremlin says its going to happen. And you know what . Frankly, the kremlin tends to be right about President Trumps movements and actions when it comes to russia, even when our own white house isnt. So keep your eyes open for that. Expect that, even though the white house has not told us to expect anything like that. Well have more coming up on that a little later on this hour as well. So there is a lot of big news going on, and this is probably going to be a very busy news weekend as well. The overarching story were still very much in middle of is the election and its aftermath. There remain whole bunch of races that have not been called. Five congressional races in california alone as of tonight. So the final balance of power in washington after this weeks elections doesnt yet have a fine point on it. But what is clear already is that in this election, the democrats have gained more seats. The republicans have lost more seats than any other Midterm Election since 1974. Now hmm, 1974. What was going on then, right . The 1974 Midterm Election was the immediate aftermath of president nixon resigning the presidency. Republicans have not lost this many seats in congress in a midterm since that occasion. So that historic margin by the democrats, historic gains by the democrats, historic losses by the republicans, that narrative about what happened this week is further bolstered by the democrats having done exactly what they wanted to do this week with key constituents, with key constituencies that will determine, frankly, how democrats are going to do in every election from here on out. You might remember there was a lot of handwringing in election circles whether or not latino voters would be motived to turn out this year. It turns out latino voters were motived to turn out this year. In the last three midterms in 2006, 2010 and 2014, the latino vote was about 8 of the electorate. This time it jumped all the way up to 11 of the electorate. That is the kind of jump that democrats have been trying to achieve for years. Thats the kind of thing they have been looking for. They didnt get it until this year. Latino voters are certainly not monolithic. There are plenty of latino republicans and latino conservatives, but overall, latinos did go for democrats by a roughly 21 margin. So thats a crucial part of this years Election Results and us understanding what it means and what it might mean for future elections. There was also lots of handwringing ahead of the election in democratic circles about whether or not young people would turn out. New data just released shows that a turnout of voters between 18 and 29, it actually spiked in this years Midterm Election, well above anything we have seen in decades for previous midterms. So democrats flipping more seats than they have since the immediate aftermath of nixons resignation in watergate, and democrats turning out key constituencies they had really worried about, like young voters and latino voters, that is a worst Case Scenario for republicans. It is a best Case Scenario for democrats. It looks like democrats are on track to pick up something on the order of about 37 seats in this weeks elections in the end. Thats in the house. Now when it comes to the senate, republicans have been buoyed that they were able to turf out some incumbent Democratic Senators where trump had had doubledigit victories in 2016. Not to take away from that at all, but there are a couple of senate races still to be decided where on Election Night republicans really thought they won where now a few days after the election looks like republicans might not have won those seats, both in the Arizona Senate race between republican Martha Mcsally and Kyrsten Sinema. And in the Florida Senate race tween bill nelson and rick scott. In both of those races we dont yet have a winner. Were in overtime in both states in terms of getting the ballots counted and figuring out who won the close contests, but republicans are starting to freak out a little bit about maybe having lost both of those seats. As of tonight in arizona, democrat Kyrsten Sinema appears to be ahead by about 20,000 votes, 20,000 plus. If you want to measure how freaked out republicans are about how that Arizona Senate race is going and how it look likes it may be going to Kyrsten Sinema, the president today freaked out online and demanded that there be a new election held in arizona. A new election, really . Thats even before they are done counting the ballots. In florida, things are way more off the hook than that. We saw fairly ugly protests today at the board of elections in Broward County, florida. Multiple lawsuits were filed on both sides yesterday and today in florida. Emergency hearings were held on some of those lawsuits today. The Florida Governor who is one of the candidates in this disputed Senate Election in florida, he has been threatening to use florida Law Enforcement to settle the election to investigate or do something the counties that are continuing to count votes. Its getting crazy quickly. Its getting crazier quicklier. Quicklier . Its getting nuts in florida. And we can see it going this way sort of as of last night. We are looking at recounts in florida of both the senate race between rick scott and bill nelson and the governors race between republican ron desantis and democrat Andrew Gillum. Both are going to be recounted, and things are crazy enough down there today that our show actually sent two producers down to palm beach and broward counties today so we can have some of our own staff on the ground there just able to see with their own eyes whats going on to help us get our arms around this story, help us wrangle people to talk, to help us the legal fight and whats happening in terms of protests. So were going to be checking in with our own producers who we sent down there today as well as a lawyer involved in one of the legal fights. Thats coming up in just a minute. But there is one more thing we have to talk about tonight on what is pretty unbelievably busy news day, and that is the now intertwined story of the president s own legal trouble and the election drama from this week. The reason these are intertwined, right, is as you know, the morning after the election, President Trump fired the attorney general and installed a handpicked replacement. Now the means by which the president did that and what we know now about the person who he installed as the acting attorney general, both of those stories have led to stronger and stronger suspicions, stronger and stronger appearances that the president may have made the sudden postelection move out of selfpreservation. So this handpicked acting attorney general could interfere with or shut down investigations that are threatening to the president. We got Jeff Sessions fired two days ago and replaced with this new guy trump picked for the job. Now all of the sudden we have all this new reporting on what kind of legal jeopardy the president might actually be in that might potentially have led him to make this sudden move so this new guy at the Justice Department might be able to protect him from the jeopardy he finds himself in. On the front page of the wall street journal right now, there is detailed new reporting about the president s direct personal involvement in the Campaign Finance felonies to which his personal Attorney Michael Cohen plead guilty in august. This is a major new story from the wall street journal. They found that, quote, mr. Trump was involved in or briefed on nearly every step of the Campaign Finance felonies to which cohen plead guilty. In addition to these published details, newly published details in the wall street journal about trumps direct involvement in those crimes, which of course were are things that are hinted at in Michael Cohens statements in court when he plead guilty to these felony, when he said he had been directed to commit these felonies by a candidate for federal office, in addition to that, the wall street journal further reports tonight that, quote, the u. S. Attorneys office in manhattan has gathered evidence of mr. Trumps participation in the transactions. So its not just that this is in the paper. Its not just that Michael Cohen has alleged this in court, its that prosecutors have all this information. Now according to the story in the wall street journal, had Michael Cohen not plead guilty in august, what he would have been hit with is an 80page detailed indictment that would have spelled out not only his crimes, it would have spelled out granularly what President Trumps involvement was in these crimes. The only reason that indictment never saw the light of day is because cohen instead plead guilty and then started cooperating with prosecutors as they continued to pursue elements of this case. Well, now we can add this from nbc news. Current and former Law Enforcement officials tell nbc news that when it comes to these Campaign Finance felonies to which Michael Cohen has already plead guilty, if it were not for donald trump being the president of the United States right now, current and former Law Enforcement officials tell nbc news that donald trump almost certainly would have been indicted himself in this matter. Now, as you know, there is very controversial Justice Department policy that arguably precludes the criminal indictment of any sitting president or Vice President. Were it not for these policies, sources are telling nbc news that the president would have already been criminally charged. Well, now we know from history that when prosecutors discover clear evidence of criminal behavior by a sitting president or a sitting Vice President , when they believe the evidence they have uncovered would warrant criminal charges, but they cant bring those criminal charges only because the president is president , or the Vice President is Vice President , one of the other options that prosecutors have in terms of what to do with that evidence theyve collected about a president s criminal behavior, one of the other things they can do is they can put that evidence together in a report, and they can convey that report to congress. So congress can consider whether or not that evidence of criminal behavior by the president or Vice President should be used as the basis for impeachment proceedings. And that is what brings us back to the election this week. Because the democrats did just clearly win control of the house, that means the democraticcontrolled Judiciary Committee would be there to accept such a report from federal prosecutors if prosecutors decided to convey information about the president s criminal behavior to congress for potential impeachment investigations. That said, as soon as the president learned that the democrats would take control of the house, he put someone new in charge of the Justice Department, who would now arguably be in a position to block any federal prosecutors, including Robert Mueller and the special counsels office from doing that. He presumably would be in the position to prevent prosecutors from collating the evidence they have gathered about the president s crimes so that information can be conveyed to congress. Now, its hard to know whether jeff session or Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein in the role he used to have overseeing the Mueller Investigation, its hard to know whether either of them would have blocked prosecutors from conveying information to congress, or i guess conceivably to the public about evidence of the president s crimes. But it seems pretty clear that Matt Whitaker, the president s handpicked new guy at the Justice Department, he might have been installed specifically for that purpose, specifically to block prosecutors from doing anything with the evidence that they have collated about the president s crimes. Again, the wall street journal reporting tonight that federal prosecutors have direct evidence of the president s personal involvement in federal Campaign Finance felonies to which one person, Michael Cohen, has already plead guilty. And so this Matthew Whitaker appointment right after the election ends up being very, very important, right . One of the things that quickly came to light about Matt Whitaker once the president announced that the president would be installing him as acting attorney general is that whitaker has been extensively involved with a floridabased company that bought busted earlier this year as a gigantic fraud. Its a Company Called world patent marketing. Matt whitaker was apparently on their Advisory Board. The company bragged about him being on the board to lure and assure clients that the company was aboveboard, almost in comical language. In december 2014, the Company Issued a press release that quoted Matt Whitaker as saying, quote, as a former u. S. Attorney, i would only align myself with a firstclass organization. World patent marketing goes beyond making statements about doing business ethically and translates them into action. Federal trade commission filed a civil suit against this world patent marketing company, describing it as, quote, an invention promotion scam that has bilked thousands of consumers out of millions of dollars. The company was shut down last year, and then arrived at a settlement with the ftc to pay 26 million for having been caught as a fraudulent scheme. Now, the federal trade commission, the ftc paper trail about this scam company that Matt Whitaker was involved in, its provided a number of interesting leads for enterprising reporters. The Guardian Newspaper tonight published followup reporting on a number of veterans, including disabled veterans who lost their life savings to the world patent marketing scam, what amounts to a nice story for veterans day. Whitakers scam Company Appears to have specifically promoted itself to veterans and thereby targeted veterans for exploitation. And a number of veterans, including disabled veterans, are the named victims in the ftcs civil lawsuit against the company that resulted in the company being shut down and having to pay 26 million. Following up with the victims of this scam also led the wall street journal to a second major scoop tonight. Check this out. This is almost unbelievable. Quote, the federal bureau of investigation is conducting a criminal investigation of a Florida Company accused of scamming millions of dollars from customers during the period that Matthew Whitaker, acting u. S. Attorney general, served as a paid Advisory Board member. According to an email sent to an alleged victim last year by an fbi victim specialist, the investigation is being handled by the miami office of the fbi and by the u. S. Postal inspection service. Quote, a recording on a phone line set up by the Justice Department to help victims of the scam remains active. Quote, the ftcs action against the company that resulted in the company shutting down was a civil proceeding. The existence of a continuing fbi investigation suggests that authorities are also looking into potential criminal charges. Think about this for a second. The guy has been installed by President Trump on President Trumps sayso alone to go run the entire Justice Department, which includes, of course, the fbi. The fbi is criminally investigating a multimilliondollar fraud scheme that he appears to have been a big part of. Huh . Its all happening. The reporter who just broke this rather incredible story joins us next. We saved hundreds on our Car Insurance when we switched to geico. This is how it made me feel. It was like that feeling when youre mowing the lawn on a sunny day. 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A part of this companys scam, according to the federal trade commission when they shut down this company wasnt just that the company took peoples money. They took their clients money and didnt do anything in exchange for that money. According to the ftc, the other part of their scam is when their customers started to complain about having been defrauded, about having had all their money taken for nothing, about having been scammed, this company that whitaker was a part of, world patent marketing, would then threaten their customers. This is from the ftc complaint page 10 about the blunt nature of some of the companys threats to its disgruntled customers. Quote, defendants also cultivate a threatening atmosphere through emails to wouldbe complainants. For example, complainants distributed to their existing customers a blog post discussing an incident that purportedly occurred in defendants offices. A consumer who wanted to speak with the head of the company about an invention idea was stopped, detained and expelled by defendants, quote, intimidating Security Team, all exisraeli special ops and trained in krav maga, one of the most deadly of the martial arts. Theyre sending this out to their customers. The post continued, quote, the World Patent Marketing Security team are the kinds of guys trained to knock out first and ask questions later. This is part of why this outfit was sued by the ftc and shut down. These threats to their customers, some of their threats were that their Security Team would come beat you up if you complained or showed up at the offices. The other way they threatened people was by having people affiliated with the company like acting attorney general Matt Whitaker, who was on their board, theyd have people like Matt Whitaker write threatening emails to customers who might be willing to complain about having been defrauded by the firm, including one letter sent by Matt Whitaker in which he cited his status as a former u. S. Attorney and then threatened the disgruntled customer with, quote, serious civil and criminal consequences if he dared to complain. We have asked the Justice Department tonight if Matt Whitaker has been advised by the fbi as to whether or not he personally is a target or subject of the fbis criminal investigation in this matter. We did not get an answer from the Justice Department on that question in time for us to air it tonight. If they tell us, we will tell you. We have also asked the Justice Department tonight if acting attorney general whitaker is recused from overseeing this matter at the fbi given that it seems like it might kind of be about him. Washington post further reports tonight that as part of the ftc case against the company, whitaker himself was sent a subpoena demanding all of his documents and records regarding the company. Whitaker appears to have ignored the subpoena. The wall street journal further reports that other Board Members from this company forfeited the money that they were paid by the company when the company got shut down and fined by the ftc. Mr. Whitaker, though, apparently received the demand notice from a courtappointed receiver who was set up to oversee the settlement between the ftc and this company. He received a demand notice asking him too to forfeit the money he had been paid by this fraudulent scheme. He apparently ignored that demand letter and just kept the money. And now he is running the Justice Department, including the fbi. Is that okay . Within the Justice Department, does somebody squawk about this . If the fbi wants to arrest him in this criminal probe, does he have to sign off on his own arrest . Think he would if they asked him . Joining us now is one of the reporters who broke this story tonight, mark maremont. Senior editorial and Investigative Reporter for the wall street journal. Congratulations on this scoop. Thank you for joining us tonight. Thank you for having me, rachel. We asked the Justice Department tonight if mr. Whitaker would be recused from overseeing this investigation since he was affiliated with this company that your reporting is now under investigation. We got no answer. Is it clear you to if he is recused . We asked the same question, rachel, and they said that he would seek the advice of ethics officials and do whatever they suggested in this case. And in any case. Do we know or were you able to determine as part of your reporting whether he has sought ethics advice on this matter . Obviously a lot of people are curious to whether he sought ethics advice on overseeing the Mueller Investigation and other things he would now be in charge of. We we were not able to ascertain that yet, although i think its early days. But i suspect that its a pretty bright line situation. The rules are very clear that if he is personally involved in the case like this, that he cant be involved in overseeing it or anything related to this particular investigation. So i suspect he will be recused. I dont know very much about ftc civil lawsuits and how they are resolved and having a courtappointed receiver implementing the terms of the settlement and how these things actually shake out on the ground. I was surprised in the journals reporting to read that mr. Whitaker had ignored a subpoena that had essentially told him to hand over documents and Communications Related to his involvement with the firm. I was more surprised to read that he was essentially directed to hand over the money that he made as part of this scheme. Other Board Members did so, but he did not. Were either of those things optional, or is he in trouble for not doing either of those things . I mean, its a civil demand letter from the receiver of the courtappointed receiver. So i think, you know, it was not a huge amount of money, and you would they somebody would respond by returning the money. Its not clear exactly why he hasnt. In fact, its not clear to me how he, you know why he was so involved in this. The other Advisory Committee members had a much more limited role than he appeared to have had. I mean, he was in two promotional videos for this company, they put out a picture of him with the founder, he wrote that threatening email you referenced to a customer who complained that he was, of all things, going to go to the Better Business bureau and some other, you know, things. So it seemed odd that he was so invested or involved in this company when the other advisory members some of said who they didnt even know their names were on the committee or didnt do anything, just took the money, or in some cases didnt get any money at all. So the whole thing is a little strange, i think. This is i think the key question is whether mr. Whittaker knew that there was a fraud going on and somehow abetted it, which he denies very strongly to us, which i can talk about in a minute. But if he didnt know about it, this is a guy who was a u. S. Attorney overseeing fraud investigations. Uhhuh. How it is its a question of his judgment. How is it that he got duped, shall we say, into being part of this thing . I mean, some questions that i would hope he would answer. Best Case Scenario in this case he was duped, and that in itself would be a problem for somebody who has just been invested with the kind of judgment indicted with the kind of responsibility he has given. Mark maremont with the wall street journal, congratulations on this scoop. Thank you for helping us understand it. Thank you, rachel. I will say the threatening email that Matt Whitaker wrote as part of his involvement in this company, it does seem logical that the company, the scam, threatening customers who especially threatened that they were going expose the scheme and go to the Better Business bureau and make public complaints about how they have been defrauded by this company, threats against customers who were going to expose the scheme is the kind of stuff that you would expect to be a part of the criminal side of the investigation of a fraud like this. That is the part of this fraud that Matt Whitaker was involved in personally. Its just a remarkable story. How can this person be running the Justice Department right now . Big news day, like i said. More to come. Stay with us. Stay with us youre headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of nowhere. You do, too, but not in time. Hey, no big deal. 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Nbc news still has republican ron desantis as the apparent winner, but he is only ahead now by 36,000 votes, which is within the margin to trigger a recount, though that call will not officially be made until tomorrow. Democrat Andrew Gillum did give a speech on Election Night conceding the race, but now not so fast. Andrew gillum announced he is going to talk to the media tomorrow with his attorney at 3 00 p. M. Eastern time. And now check out the senate race. Republican rick scotts lead over Democrat Bill nelson has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk. Its down to now 15,000 votes, which is well within the margin to trigger a hand recount of all the votes in the state. As he saw his lead slipping away last night, rick scott kind of freaked out. He is the sitting governor of florida, and last night he gathered reporters at the Governors Mansion to accuse the election supervisor in Broward County of engaging in, quote, rampant fraud. Rick scott said he will not let, quote, unethical liberals steal this election. He then announced that he filed lawsuits against Broward County and palm beach county, and he announced that he had asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to investigate the vote count in his own election. Once youve got the states governor threatening to sick Law Enforcement on vote counters in his own race, it is probably time to send some folks down there to see what the heck is going on. So we sent two of our own intrepid producers, julia nutter and lisa ferry down to florida in Broward County this morning zero notice. We decided last night during the show somebodys got to go. Julia and lisa were were tired, but well go. Sure enough, as soon as they got there, things in florida went nuts right on cue. This was the scene today at the door of the Broward County office where they were counting votes. Lock her up lock her up lock her up lock her up lock her up lock her up lock her up we think they are chanting for the election supervisor in Broward County, brenda snipes to be locked up since she has been singled out personally for vitriol by rick scott and President Trump, but who knows. Who knows, really. This evening, Florida Republican congressman matt gaetz showed up to cool the passions of the crowd, urge restraint and respect. Yeah, right. Or to yell at Police Officers and Elections Officials. This is a safety hazard is there in there. The right to inspect. I understand what the court order says. Im clarifying what is missing here. So in order to comply, i need to clarify what is missing. Youre raising your voice at me. Im not raising my voice. We going to be able to go in and inspect. I need to figure out whats going on. After you figure that out, are we going to be able to go in and inspect . Once i figure that out, ill have an answer to that question. When you saw congressman gaetz haranguing that election official there. What she was trying to do was talk with rick scotts lawyers on the left. This story is also playing out in the courts. Earlier today, rick scotts campaign won a ruling in his lawsuit to try to force the broward elections supervisor to try to turn over information about their vote tallies. Broward county was ordered to turn over that information by 7 00 tonight. Scotts lawyers were there at the Election Office to receive that courtordered information, but it doesnt appear they got the data they came for. There are have been fastmoving developments on this front in the last hour or two. Fortunately we have our crack sleepless team to fill us in. Joining us outside the Vote Tabulation Center are two of my colleagues, two producers from the Rachel Maddow show, julia nutter and lisa ferry. You guys, thank you for being there. We appreciate it. Any time. Happy to do it. Julia, let me start with you. You have been in the middle of the Broward County protest since this morning. Can you just tell us about the character of the protest and how it changed throughout the day. Yeah, i mean, when i first got here, i just came because i wanted to see what it looked like to tabulate votes in Broward County, particularly in a fraught time as this. I didnt expect there to be much of a protest at all. And it turns out when i arrived there were about 150 to 200 protesters here loudly chanting. I heard them across the parking lot when i arrived. It was a little it was a little jarring at first. And then when i saw that the Elections Officials werent letting anyone in the doors, not just protesters and media, i saw why it was starting to get very fraught. This was before the ruling in the rick scott case. I think at that time people were still a little unsure as to what might happen. So there were Something Like mild discussions between people who disagreed. It was mostly supporters of scott, and a lot of supporters of desantis, a lot of supporters of trump, a lot of chants of trump 2020 and lock her up. Which was a little unexpected on my part. But after the ruling people started to come back in, particularly supporters of Andrew Gillum. I think that set up a tense standoff at times, which was a lot more heated than originally in the day. So its just dissipated now within the last few minutes. But as you can see, police have been out for the most part all day, and theyve put up these barricades right around the time that the ruling started happening, the hearing started happening today in expectation that it would get worse. And theyre kind of keeping it up right now. So youre saying that it was pretty much an alldaylong affair, but it has dissipated this evening. Yes. As weve gotten into later hours. Julia, can you tell me if it seemed liked the people who were there were trying to be intimidating to the people who were trying to do the counting. Was this actually an effort to try to push the elections workers to do one thing or another, or was this just people expressing themselves . I think it definitely the air that i felt from people i was talking to, the reason why they were here, and many whom dont even live in Broward County, many just heard this was happening and have come from all over the state that. They wanted to make it clear that they were watching, and that someone was watching the people doing the counting. And that was really why they were here. Thats why they were crowding the door. Thats why they were here trying to get among journalists, because they wanted to be a part of watching that go down. And so, yeah, it was absolutely here to be intimidating, and i felt that walking in, that that was the feeling. That was what they were trying to convey. Lisa ferry, i know that you have been following the legal battle today. I know you were in the courtroom and now at the broward election center. From what you have seen, including todays court hearings, how should we expect this fight to play out now . Julia is talking about the kind of interplay between the protests on the street and whats happening in the courtrooms. Given what you saw today, what should we expect . Well, that ruling from the judge today set up a really dramatic couple of hours. The judge ruled two things had to happen. One, data about the volume of votes had to be handed over from county officials to rick scotts lawyers. Depending on who you ask that did or did not happen. They handed over a drop box of information. But the second thing that was supposed to happen was this laying eyes on the actual ballots. So rick scotts attorneys were supposed to be allowed into that building over our shoulder to look at the data, and that did not happen. And that is the standoff that happened. You had rick scotts attorneys huddled up here watching their watches, waiting to get in and counting down to the 7 00 p. M. Deadline. Officials would come out and talk to them, but they were not allowed in. I spoke to rick gaetz attorneys. They said we are contemplating holding them in contempt of court. 45 minutes after the deadline they came to this compromise which nobody saw coming. At 10 00 a. M. Tomorrow, rick scotts attorneys will be allowed into the room and theyll be able to lay eyes on the ballots. And that means tomorrow is a really big splitscreen day. 10 00 a. M. Tomorrow behind our shoulders, theyre going to be looking at the ballots. And in palm beach, youre going to have this hearing about the other rick scott case about duplicate ballots. So buckle up. Tomorrow is a big day. Lisa ferry, julia nutter, my buddies. It has been great to have the two of you on the ground there for us gathering the news, talking to people, trying to get our arms around this story. I owe you both a couple of days off. I am very grateful that you guys are there today. Thank you so much, my friends. Thank you, rachel. We are going to be sticking on this story. Actually, one of the people who julia and lisa found for us to talk to us today who has absolutely the most perfect experience for this fight is going to be joining us live next when we come back. Stay with us. I just got my cashback match, is this for real . Yep. We match all the cash back new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. Whoo i got my money hard to contain yourself, isnt it . Uh huh let it go whoo get a dollarfordollar match at the end of your first year. Only from discover. nicki palmer being a verizon engineer is about doing things right. And theres no shortcut to the right way. 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The socalled Brooks Brothers riot, when hundreds of republicans descended on the miamidade elections offices while florida votes were being counted after the 2000 president ial election. At the time they claimed it was a spontaneous grassroots protest by george w. Bush supporters, but it later turned out that at least some of those people storming the elections offices were paid, paid by the george w. Bush recount committee. It was physical intimidation of a fairly base sort. It was muddying the waters for the press, creating the impression of malfeasance on the part of the elections clerks, and it became Republican Party lore, Republican Party legend for how you get your way when the vote count is close and contested. You show up and you push people around and you scream. Today different groups of protesters descended on the election headquarters in Broward County, florida, making claims of illegal votes and a stolen election. They chanted stop the steal and lock her up. And just like in 2000, those protesters used their physical presence to try to push for the outcome they want. Joining us now is leonard samuels. He represents the Florida Democratic party. He represented them in one of todays cases, and he represented them in the 2000 recount as well. He is a partner at berger singerman. Mr. Samuels i appreciate you being here tonight. Thank you. Happy to be here, thank you. Are you drawing the parallels between now and 2000, or is that just me . I absolutely am drawing the parallels, and the exact parallel that im drawing is that we continue to want all legal votes counted. That was our goal in 2000. That is our goal now, and well be keeping a very careful eye on all of the proceedings, and well be fight anything efforts to stop the counting of lawful ballots. The president has weighed in on this, disparaging some of the democratic lawyers who are involved in fighting on the democratic side of this. Rick scott has weighed in, said he was going to use florida Law Enforcement to investigate the vote count, and he too casting aspersions on democratic lawyers who are involved in fighting for this. Can you tell us a little bit about how the two sides are lining up on either side, what kind of firepower is being brought to bear here . Well, all i can tell you is the democratic lawyers that i know, myself included, have the highest ethical rating in the Ratings Services as we are judged by our peers in the community. So i dont think that were unethical lawyers here who are doing this. We simply want to have the votes counted, and well be working towards that, you know. We will be keeping an eye on it. Senator nelson received 69 of the vote here in Broward County, and we think that theyre making allegations outside of the courtroom of fraud because of that. 69 of the vote here in Broward County, and we think theyre making allegations outside of the courtroom of fraud because of that. Theyre dischargeing dr. Brenda sniepz, who by the way was appointed by governor jeb bush to her position. Theyre disparaging her, claiming fraud. There is not a single iota of evidence of fraudulent conduct brought into the courtroom today. It is being done outside by others with no evidence to stir up opposition to dr. Brenda snipes, who is trying to do her job unobstructed at the moment. What youre saying is theyre making fraud claims in the streets. Theyre making fraud claims on twitter and at press conferences and out loud, and that has been used to try to that has been used to essentially excite some of the crowds we saw today in Broward County. But youre saying theyre not making fraud claims in the courtroom, where theyd actually have to prove them. Not one single iota of fraud was brought to the courts attention today. I am not aware of any fraudulent conduct, and i dont think people who are in there counting the votes, who are working people and doing their best job, are really interested in committing fraudulent acts. I dont think that dr. Brenda snipes, who is pointed by governor bush, is interested in committing fraudulent acts. We got all the votes counted and recounted when the recount was in effect in Broward County. We did our job. We would like to do our job again, and the Florida Democratic party is going to do its very best to make sure that its not stopped, its not obstructed with false allegations. Leonard samuels who represents the Florida Democratic party, was involved in the 2000 recount, is also involved in todays case. Thank you, sir. Much appreciated. Thank you. This story in florida, one of the things to watch here is that it looks like were going to have a Senate Recount and a gubernatorial recount. There may also be another statewide race that is recounted. 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This is a thing the president does, right . When he says a thing that is not true, he doesnt say it once. He says it over and over again. Its one of his tells. Its sort of a good shortcut way to fact check the president. Theres also another way. I can tell you Matt Whitaker is a great guy. I mean, i know Matt Whitaker. I know Matt Whitaker. Look at the date on that. That was 29 days ago. I have stuff in my fridge older than the president s recollection of his own new attorney general. The Glass Half Full version of this story is great. The president has admitted he knows the person he picked to lead the judgmeu. S. Justice department. But the glass half empty version is whats going on with the president right now . I dont know Matt Whitaker. I didnt know Matt Whitaker. I didnt speak to Matt Whitaker. I dont know Matt Whitaker. Matt whitaker, who again i didnt know, okay . 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