Court on the Legal Defense team thats repmag representing maria buttina. To try on influence the 2016 election on behalf of the russian government. Maria butinas lawyer has done lots of interviews and made lots of appearances. Prosecutors are asking for the judge to put a gag order on her lawyer so he will be restricted to only pleading her case in court rather than on tv. She of course remains in jail tonight awaiting trial. The judge in her case refused to allow her out on bail after prosecutors argued that she was a severe flight risk. They argued that her extensive alleged ties to the russian government would create too strong a possibility that she would take refuge in the Russian Embassy in washington or otherwise find a way to flee country to avoid this prosecution. So she did not get bail. She does not even yet have a date set for her trial. It looks like she will be in jail until that trial happens. And small world, as it happens. The jail where she is being held this very night is the same jail that tonight is also Holding PresidentTrumps Campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Who has been tried again, tried already once in the federal court in the Eastern District of virginia. He is now about to be tried again. He is awaiting his next trial due to start in a couple weeks in federal court in washington, d. C. I said today was a busy day in the courts. Today same federal judge who is hearing the Paul Manafort case in d. C. In a couple weeks, today her courtroom, same courtroom, same judge, is where we learned there is a whole different defendant we didnt know about. I think the bottom line with this new defendant who appeared in court today is that the special counsels office has flipped another cooperating witness in the russia investigation. But there are other potential threads here to pull. I mean, rob mueller and his prosecutors definitely, we now know, they have obtained another guilty plea to another federal charge. This one comes explicitly with a written robust Cooperation Agreement for this defendant. Because of who this defendant is though, i think there are a bunch of intriguing questions as to how he fits into the larger case. It is interesting. A bunch of news outlets including the Washington Post and cnn have done the hard work and the very useful work of trying to maintain online an ongoing updated list of all the people who we know have topped to Robert Mueller and the prosecutors. All the people wreng somehow involved in the special counsels investigation. Before today, this guy who just pled guilty in federal court, he was not on any of these lists. Nobody knew he was coming. His name is sam patten, a republican activist and political consultant. He was arraigned and pled guilty before the same judge who is hearing the Paul Manafort trial next month. The hearing took less than an hour and it was a very formal hearing. The prosecutors were asked by the judge in open court to explain the felony to which sam patten would plead guilty is that the prosecutors did explain it at some length. They commit legalese. They just read the document they had fwild the court. A very formal proceeding. But still, the defendant was present himself because he had to enter his own guilty plea. In court we did get to see him go through the serious nuts and bolts the judge with him confirming to the judge that he understood, that he was pleading guilty. He understood the implications of that. He understood it was a serious thing to which he was pleading guilty. We also got to see him crucially confirm in open court that basically all this happened to him today because he has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. So heres from the Court Transcript today. The jfl all right. Mr. Patten. Is what the prosecutor just told me a true and accurate description of what did you in this case . The defendant, sam patten. It is, your honor. The judge, so did you in fact act as an agent of a foreign principal without reg stwerg the attorney general . I did, your honor. The judge, and now there is a written statement of the offense which i take it you and your lawyer have gone over carefully . Yes, your honor. The judge, are you the one who signed it on the last page where it says defendants acceptance indicating it was true . The defendant, yes, your honor. The judge, do you understand if i accept your guilty plea in this case, could you receive a maximum sentence of up to five years incarceration for that offense . I do, your honor. The judge, do you understand in this case as part of your plea agreement, there is a paragraph that requires to you cooperate fully and truthfully in this case . The defendant, sam patten, yes rns. Do you understand the government has agreed to bring the nature and extent of your cooperation to my attention at the time of your sentencing . The defendant, that is my understanding, your honor. And then heres sort of the moment everybody is waiting for in the courtroom. The judge says, quote, are you entering this plea of guilty voluntarily . And of your own free will because you are guilty and for no other reason . The defendant, i am, your honor. The judge, is there anything you dont understand about this proceeding or about your plea in this case . The defendant, no, your honor. Is there anything you want to ask me or your lawyer before i ask you for your final decision in this case . The defendant, no, your honor. The judge, are you ready now to make a decision about whether you want to enter a plea of guilty or whether you want to have a trial . Yes, your honor. The judge. And whats your decision in the defendant, i would i plead guilty to the charge. And the judge says, i am satisfied that this defendant is fully competent and capable of making a decision today persian understands the nature and consequences of what he is doing. The transcript wont reflect it, the judge says, but he has actually nodded his head with every yes, we ever question i have asked him today. I find that he is acting voluntarily and of his own free will and there is an actual factual basis for the plea and therefore, i will accept the plea. And so sam patten today becomes the latest cooping witness and the latest guilty plea in the special counsels investigation. Now, mr. Patten has not yet been sentenced. He will not be sentenced until probably quite a few months from now down the road when the judge accepted his plea today will consider the information that she gets from prosecutors about how well sam patten has performed as a cooperator with them. In the meantime before he is sentenced, sam patten was instructed on hand over his passport. He will have to seek permission to travel outside the area. Other than that, he is allowed out on his own recould goies in answer. The next time d. C. Back in court is halloween, 60 days from now. He will be extensioned by that same judge. I mentioned that he is the latest cooperating sgid the latest guilty plea in the special counsels investigation. I should note that this appears to be another one of those cases that start with the special counsels office, but they appear to have handed it off. The prosecutors who appeared in court today for this hearing for sam patten from prosecutors from the u. S. Attorneys office in d. C. And main justice, from the National Security division at main justice. Reporters say at least one lawyer and multiple fbi agents were in court today to see sam patten plead guilty. But those fbi sxlaulawyers didn speak in court and they definitely didnt answer any reporters questions. Show the originated in the special counsels office and then it was handed off to those other entities who actually prosecuted him. How does this latest guilty sxhee this latest Cooperation Agreement from this guy fit into the larger picture . I am so glad you asked. I have a lot of things to say about that. I will start small. I dont mean to be caty. First of all i will note that the president s outside counsel on the russia investigation really is supposedly rudolph giuliani, the former mayor of new york city. It is amazing. We called the white house for comment is that confirmation on all sorts of stories all the time. When it is about the russia investigation, they refer to us outside counsel. What they mean is that we should call rudolph giuliani. As if we can get real information from rudolph giuliani. Thank you. Ill call back later. But he is supposedly the outside counsel on the russia investigation and it should be noted that mr. Giuliani is on the record saying, the entire special counsel investigation will be wrapped up, done and dusted, definitely by tomorrow. Well, your honor, since the special counsels office just today arraigned and accepted a guilty plea and a Cooperation Agreement from a brand new defendant, i think it is fair to say that mr. Giuliani may have been a little off in that pre giks this thing ending by dawn. So again, i dont mean to seem caty about that but thats amazing that that is who the outside counsel on. Given the special counsels investigation ending tomorrow, it sort of tells you what kind of position the president is in in terms of representation. Theres. That more substantively, it is clear this latest cooperating witness has very strong links to the president s Campaign Chairman and to the ongoing legal travails of Paul Manafort. The actual charge to which sam patten pled guilty was that he was acting as an unregistered Foreign Agent. To be more specifying, prosecutors charged when i am being an unregistered Foreign Agent, recommending the same pro Russia Political Party that Paul Manafort has been charged with being a Foreign Agent for for his trial thats due to start in a couple weeks. Sam patten today and Paul Manafort in a couple weeks, theyre both charged with being unregistered Foreign Agents for something called the opposition bloc which is what forms had ukraine after manaforts pro russian victory was chased back. They remade the party. So thats one link to the manafort case. Both sam patten and Paul Manafort are charged with the same crime and theyre charged with committing the same crime on behalf of the same foreign entity. Also, Paul Manafort has a codefendant in his next trial. The trial due to start in washington, d. C. In a couple weeks. His codefendant is not likely to turn up. He is russian borne. Konstant Konstantin Kilimnik is the codefendant. In addition to his work Paul Manafort, this guy also formed a company with a Consulting Firm with sam patten, the guy charged today. So thats another link. The leader he worked for and helped get elected in ukraine, theres no mention of victorian koefk in the charging documents related to sam patten but sam patten, according to prosecutors, was placing op eds in u. S. Media outlets and organizing political meetings on capitol hill. The guy for whom sam patten was illegally lobbying, it wasnt victor yankovics chief of staff. So he is charged with being an unregistered chief of staef for victor yankovic and his party. Sam patten as well and the chief of staff. The unnamed foreign official described throughout the documents, all indication is that he was this guy, sergei. Part of opposition bloc chief of staff yankovic if he is in fact unnamed official described in the documents. It should be noted that in the evidence that was introduced in the last Paul Manafort trial, that same guy, Sergei Lovochkin is the same pay master for Paul Manafort for all the work did he in ukraine. More than 40 million of the overseas payments that prosecutors swra funneled to Paul Manafort came from this guy, Sergei Lovochkin. So lots of linked to manafort. You may have heard when they charged this guy sam patten today and they got his guilty plea, you may have mattered prosecutors claimed in his case that patten illegally funneled foreign money into the Trump Inauguration. Thats a 50,000 illegal dont participation prosecutors described today. This 50,000 in illegal foreign money that was funneled into the Trump Inauguration, according to the charging documents today, that money according to prosecutors, also came from this same ukrainian guy who plays such a big role in the manafort case. So theres lots and lots of ties between had guys new case today and manaforts case which is still ongoing. Still ongoing. He has another second trial coming up in a another couple weeks. But on that specific claim by prosecutors about the Trump Inauguration, that is fascinating for a bunch of reasons. For one, bluntly, this is the first time prosecutors have directly alleged that foreign money was funneled into any Trump Campaign entity. Also the mechanism by which it was done is interesting. According to the statement of offense in the sam patten case, sam patten convinced some american, to write a check that was a 50,000 check that was supposed to look like an american 50,000 donation to the Trump Inauguration. That 50,000 donation obtained four tickets on trump inaugural events. That american person, whoever it was, that person who wrote the check in their own name, that person got reimbursed the 50,000 from sam patten and his company. Then sam patten and his company got reimbursed by the ukrainian oligarch guy. So thats the mechanism is interesting, right . Money coming from abroad that sam patten is passing through his money to washington through some other american citizen who donates the money to trump it is foreign money but it has to go through that route to get to the trump inaugural campaign. Now, im interested in every part of that including who it was unnamed american who wrote the check . Did that person do this wittingly . How did prosecutors find out about all of this . Do prosecutors believe it might have happened in other circumstances when it comes to the Trump Inauguration . Part of the reason this was such an interesting part of the charge from prosecutors, from the beginning, the Trump Inaugural Committee has looked like a giant slush fund. Ive been reporting on this for more than a year. Something is rotten in denmark when it comes to the president ial inaugural committee and weve been able to see it for a very long time. Well have more on that in the show tonight. It has been clear almost cynic the inauguration happened that there was something wrong the math and the money. They raised way, way, way more money than they could have spent on that inauguration that they actually had. They never accounted for what happened to the money. Well get to more of that later on this hour. But seeing these first allegations from prosecutors about the inaugural committee today is something ive been waiting for. Also it helps us out with the fwiming what has happened with this new defendant. In the plea agreement that prosecutors entered with the court, they said sam came forward with a proffer, with his formal offer on may 22nd of this year. What caused sam patten to come forward to prosecutors . On may 22 . We dont know exactly but it may be helpful to note just before that, about a week and a half before that, abc news published this great and super important investigative piece about the Trump Inauguration before the the possibility of foreign money coming into the Trump Inauguration. You see the headline. Exclusive special counsel probing donations with foreign connections to Trump Inauguration. Abc news broke really important story may 11th of this year. We now know according to the charging document that less than two weeks later, less than two weeks after that piece was published, they had gotten cooperation from this guy who we now sng a cooperating witness and the newest guilty plea. Now we know he first started cooperating on may 22nd. That also tells us that hey, the Mueller Investigation had an active cooperating witness working with them for more than the past three months and none of us had any idea about it. Mueller side of this doesnt leak. If you were hoping to get juicy leaks out of the special counsels office, nobody is getting it. Otherwise we would have mattered sam patten was a cooperator and due to be charged someday. The prosecutors say that sam patten lied to and obstructed the Senate Intelligence committee. And the Senate Investigation of the scandal. We hadnt even knew that he teld testify. Senators put out a statement that he did speak to the committee. There was something about the testimony to the committee caused them on notify the Justice Department that he should be subject to a criminal referral. Thats also new news. We didnt know that before today. But did that criminal referral from burr and warner, did that lead to this action today against sam patten . It kind of doesnt seem like it. Look at the actual language from the statement they put out today. This is what them. Quote, we can confirm that mr. Patten produced documents to the committee and was interviewed by committee staff. Due to concerns about certain statements made by mr. Patten, the committee made a criminal referral to the department of justice. While the charge and resultant plea today do not appear to directly involve our referral, we appreciate their referral of this matter. So this is fuzzy in an interesting way. Sam patten testifies to the Senate Intelligence committee. Something about that causes them on refer to the Justice Department for proougs. He has now as of today been prosecuted. But it is not clear if the Justice Department prosecuted him for the thing that he was referred about. We dont know what upset the Intelligence Committee so much as what they charged him with. It seems like maybe it wasnt. Weve been trying to figure out how they connect all day. Theyve been no commenting us all day. Weve been trying to figure it out. That remains unclear in an interesting way. But the Bigger Picture here. If there are going to be Department Justice prosecutions for people lying the congress, for lying to congressional committees investigating the russia scandal, well, thats a very interesting turn altogether. Members of congress have made strong and in some cases, charges theyve been lied to by a bunch of witnesses associated with the president and the administration and the campaign in russiarelated testimony. Everybody from eric prince to roger stone on Jared Kushner to donald trump jr. If there are going to be witnesses for lying to congress on this sub, where do we start . Well have more on that coming up on that as well. If you know anybody who has testified to congress on this sub, if they seem a little more nervous than they can before today, this sam patten guilty plea today and this statement where they nail him for like to congress, thats probably why your pal is nervous today. On this guy, sam patten pleading guilty and agreeing to cooperate, i mentioned, it is true in general. There are a few important objections. This spring, a couple of eagle eyed journalists did interesting interviews with, and particularly focused on his relationship with konstantin and the former soviet political universe that started to come into focus in this investigation when manafort first got in trouble. Natasha was one of those journalist whos interviewed sam patten this spring. Her profile was not just about pattens relationship with the work in the soviet union. She also wrote about his work with Cambridge Analytica. Theyre the data firm that was paid millions of dollars by the trump for president campaign. They have since fall yoenl hard times. They shut down in may after serious controversy after which it was reveal they had stolen personal information off facebook of tens of millions of people. Part of that was the ties to the russian government and other unexplained russian interests and ties between Cambridge Analytica and its Parent Company. A whistle blower was the main engine behind that scandal that ultimately shut down Cambridge Analytica this year. One of the things he raised alarms about, for some reason, testing u. S. Audiences on russia and Vladimir Putin. Some of the message testing which they did, even in 2014, well before the 2016 president ial election, involved testing opinions on Vladimir Putin. Testing opinions on russian expansi expansionism in eastern europe. Vladimir putin is the only one that was tested. As far as you know. When i was there, that was true. During the sentence i was there, he was the only foreign lead per we have tested at the time that i was there. And for me, thats concerning. Why was Cambridge Analytica in 2014 testing american audiences on their views on russia and Vladimir Putin . Sam patten worked at Cambridge Analytica in 2014, 2014. He pled guilty today. Today after appeared in court for his arraignment and to plead guilty, christopher wylie, that whistle blower. Breaking. Sam patten just charged by fbi after mueller referral. This guy was responsible for Cambridge Analytica in the pus involved testing putin attitudes. I know theres more to come. So bottom line. Thank you for watching the news on friday night before a holiday weekend. It is so worth it, right . Special counsel has a new cumming witness and a new guilty plea. Also, special counsels investigation is apparently not ending tomorrow. Sorry. Also, this case appears to be linked to the manafort case for sure. Also, this is another unregistered Foreign Agent case for the special counsels office. Also, for the first time, there case raises the possibility of prosecutions for people lying to congress. And for the First Time Congress is zeroing in on the Trump Inauguration describing illicit foreign funds being funneled into trump entities for the first time. Tell me more. But to my mind, most intriguingly, i think, for the first time, there new case that we just learned of today, there shows the special counsels Office Getting close to the donald Trump Campaign data operation. Cambridge analytic dlaflt in the case of sam patten, specifically, the unexplained links between that date operation and russia. And that of course is the bottom line of all bottom lines. So hold on. We have more coming up. More comp know what . No, what . I just switched to geico and got more. More . Got a company i can trust. Thats a heck of a lot more. Over 75 years of great savings and service. You cant argue with more. Why would ya . Geico. Expect great savings and a whole lot more. 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Quote, a long time republican operative with ties to the controversial data firm hired by President Trump has a nearly two decade long friendship and business relationship. The washington based operative sam patten would not say whether he has been interviewed by muellers team as part of the investigation into russias election interference and potential collusion between Trump Campaign and moscow. But mr. Patten says that his relationship with kilimnik, the former officer in gru who worked closely with deputy rick gates for over a decade, he said his relationship has been thoroughly explored by relevant government entities. This is how you know youre following a good reporter. Dude, you have never heard of before, turns up in one of her profiles as a potentially interesting connection between two big parts of a big sprawling scandal that otherwise as yet dont seem to be connected. Never heard of the guy before. Youve never seen any other evidence that these two different parts of the scandal are connected. Shes like, he might be the connection. Then months later, much to voinl elses surprise, but apparently, not a surprise to that smart reporter, dude turns up in court as the connection between those two parts of the scandal. And as the latest cooperating witness in the special counsels investigation. Pleading guilty for failing to register as a Foreign Agent. Laced through the court papers in the papers today are the fleds reporter started pulling months ago. The connection to Cambridge Analytica and his connection to Konstantin Kilimnik and ties on russian intelligence. This indictment, this guilty plea, this cooperation plea today was a surprise to a lot of people today. But some people, some people, were on to this way before almost anyone else. And that reporter is here next. Stay with us. Ere next stay with us commercial. But lets be honest, nobody likes dealing with insurance. 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He is certainly not only a household name but not a name that has been on a lot of peoples radar at all. I was researching constantin kilimnik, he is a major player in the russia investigation, being as close as he is with Paul Manafort, and i got a tip that kilimnik was not just operating overseas. He had opened up this company with this operative sam patten. So i started researching patten and i lermd that he is very much like manafort. Like a gun for hire. Hes been working overseas for a long time for shady people. And and he kilimnik met in moscow in 2001 when they were working for an organization. Like a democracy promoter which is ironic when you look back on it now. They kept in touch over the last couple decades and theyre really fond of each other. They found places to Work Together over the last two decades. Thats what sam patten told me, anyway. When i was digging into this further, it made me real ties extent to which kilimnik, i was looking into him, how much he had ingratiated himself into american politics. He was a principle in the lobbying firm and the whole purpose of this company was lobbying for this very same client that Paul Manafort was lobbying for. So a whole bunch of these threads came together. And then you have the Cambridge Analytica element which is very interesting on its own. That crossover, i did not know about that before reading about it in your piece in the atlantic in april. And i didnt really know what to make of it. Thats when we were starting to learn about troubles at Cambridge Analytica. There had been a lot of questions about whether or not the date operation might be a key part of whether or not there was, you know, an american element to the russian interference in our election. What do you know about pattens role at Cambridge Analytica, with the parent firm of Cambridge Analytica. Thats something we know from your reporting but we didnt see anything about it explicitly in the charging documents today. Right. There are two things are really interesting about the Parent Company of Cambridge Analytica. In 2014 he started working in oregon for the Parent Company scl and he was focusing on micro targeting which we know is a big part of Trump Campaigns data operation in 2016. So he was working on that. And then he ended up working for Cambridge Analytica again in a campaign in a project they did for the incumbent in nigeria. And what they can there was also very interesting. Part of that project involved hacking in, hiring israeli hackers to find dirt on their clients opponents. Where have i heard the before . Exactly. So these are areas that he might be able to discuss with mueller, for example. We dont know whether or not he had any role with Cambridge Analytica in 2016. Theres no evidence that did he but it raises questions about yes would have stopped the work in 2015 going into the biggest election probably in his lifetime. One last question about your contact with him definitely he give you any indication that he was speaking with Robert Mueller . That he had been approached by the special counsels office . That he had given testimony . We know because of the events, by the time you spoke with him, he had already testified to Senate Intelligence. Prosecutors said he lied, attempting to destroy documents after talking to him. We know that not long after talking to you in april, he went to muellers office with a formal proffer of information which eventually became cooperation. Did he let you in on any of that when you talked to him . So that was the thing i was most interested in. I had wanted to know if he had been contacted by mueller. He had all these ties. And he told me that he had spoken to relevant government entities. I assumed that meant congress, maybe the fbi had reached out to him once or twice. He did not give me a firm answer on whether or not he had been interviewed by mueller. Now we know he was. But he was very coy and he would not go into much detail about the work this company that he set up with constantin kilimnik. Up it was on behalf foreign clients. Did you have any domestic messaging role in the u. S. . All he said was no, it was only clients outside the u. S. He seemed very eager to hide the fact that he was lobbying on behalf of foreign clients in the United States which explain in turn why he did not register as a Foreign Agent at the Justice Department. Right. He was lobbying the government on their behalf. I want you to go back throughout and keep doing what youre doing. Weve learned so much from your work. Thank you. Well be right back. Stay with us. Ll be right back stay with us this is frank. Sup this is franks favorite record. This is franks dog. 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The committee for Donald Trumps inauguration raised double the amount of money that had been the record for the gigantic first obama inauguration. The own inauguration was the biggest u. S. Inauguration ever. The trump folks raised double the amount of money that the obama one did. It raised over 100 million for an inauguration that was many times smaller than the obama inauguration. Where did all the trump money go . Over 100 million. We know they paid 26 million to Melania Trumps friend, the event planner, from whom Melania Trump soon cut ties after there was reporting on how much her friend got paid. They paid this woman 26 million even though they also paid a big Event Planning firm that did all the previous inaugurations to basically do all the inaugural work. So what exactly did mrs. Trumps friend do for 26 million . Why has the inaugural committee refused to explain their finances . They said many june last year, a full audit of their finances had just been completed. Last june. Theyve still never shared the results of that supposed audit. The people this charge of running the inauguration were rick gates who has now pled guilty to multiple felonies and testified openly in court about all the way he helps Paul Manafort commit bank fraud. He was deputy chairman of the inaugural committee. He is described as the guy who actually ran it. The vice chairman of the finance committee was republican fundraiser Elliott Brady who is now reportedly under Justice Department investigation. Also on Money Laundering charges. So on the stand in the manafort trial, i have to tell you, rick gates testified under oath that he himself might have stolen money. He said he would have to check. He said under oath, its possible. Yeah, you know, i have to go back through my files. I might have stolen money from there, too. I dont remember. Then theres the aspersion the new guy, sam patten who today pled guilty to pled for a pro rugs ukrainian party, today, prosecutors said that he illegally facilitated the payment of a 50,000 donation from a ukrainian old fwark to the Trump Inauguration. Of course, they are not illegally allowed to receive foreign money but patten has testified, has signed his name on Court Documents which say thats exactly what he did. Its all so freaking shady. The whole Trump Inauguration. And all the finances around it have been so blatant shady from the very beginning. If this revelation in the sam patten plea today is a sign of more shoes to drop to do with the Trump Inauguration, now that prosecutors have named foreign money being illegally funneled into the committee, that would be great for us just to understand what has happened with this presidency. Because from the very beginning, literally from inauguration day, there was a giant slush fund hiding in plain sight. It would be great to know what happened to that giant slush fund. By the way, why doctor. Reporter these illegal shenanigans being described in the plea agreement but not actually charged against this guy . Why did prosecutors spell it all out as a crime but then not charge him for doing it . Thats a question we can get answered tonight. Stay with us. Get answered tonight stay with us let your perfect drive come together during the final days of the lincoln summer invitation event get 0 apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus one thousand dollars bonus cash. [ coughs ] [ screams ] [ laughs ] whoa, whoa, whoa. Your one item would be the name your price tool . It helps people save on car insurance. Why wouldnt it save me . Why . What would you bring . A boat. Huh. Little things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. 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Why would they spell those things out in such detail in the charging documents but then not actually charge him with those thingsth at crimes. Sure. So this ist a standard practic for prosecutors. When you work out a plea deal before the defendant is actually charged, which is what happened here. And so there would have been these three, at least three types of potential charges on the table and prosecutors would have offered mr. Patton in exchange for his cooperation this deal. And part of the deal was well only charge you with one of these crimes that you committed. Well give you a pass on the other two. But the rules that prosecutors operate under require prosecutors to disclose all of that conduct to the court so thats why we heard this more fulsome conversation in front of the court whennv the judge took the plea. So theyre required to say outloud, essentially, in print that they know he committed these crimes simply because of the rules of the court, not becauses its some strategic thing ins terms of them tryingo tell the public theyre aware these crimes were committed. Right. Its not public facing. Its actually an internal doj practice to fully disclose everything of that nature that you have included in their plea decision. If you were doing it after indictment, you might have a threecount indictment and you would go to the court and say, well permit mr. Patton to plead just to count one and ask the court to dismiscous counts two three. But notco necessarily here. He pled guilty. He waived his right to a trial. Got it. Okay. Exactly. Heres my next one. Among those items that prosecutors describe but they didnt charge him is when pros caug prosecutors say he lied to the Senate Committee. The heads of that committee came out today after mr. Patton appeared in court and said in fact they couldn confirm that patton did talk to the senate about their Senate Committee about their investigation. And they said they did send a criminal referral on this guy to the Justice Department after he testified. My question is that it doesnt seem like people get prosecuted very often for lying to congress. Ifyi prosecutors want to bring thatse kind of a charge, do the need to get a criminal referral from thein senate, from whateve committee, from the congress in order to do it . Or is that something that prosecutors could pursue on their own whether or not congress wanted them to. Te the typical practice is fo the body that wants to make that referral to let doj know about it because in really doj doesnt have an independent mechanism for assessing whats going on in all of these hearings up on the hill. Perjury charges are very hard to make for prosecutors. So theyre scrutinized very carefully. Er theyre important cases to bring when the evidence is good, but they are difficult to make. And so other people who have been accused by members of congress of essentially having perjured themselves in testimony before congressional committees looking at the russia investigation, im thinking about people like eric prince, donald trump jr. , Jared Kushner, should they be more on alert if there were any problems in their potential testimony because of the way this came up in mr. Pattons case today . They should be very nervous. Of course mr. Patton has concluded a cooperation deal with prosecutors. We dont know what he could have been charged with in this regard had that deal not been concluded. If i was one of these other folks,es i wouldnt sleep too wl tonight. Joyce vance, thank you so much. Great to see you, joyce. Thanks. Well be right back. Stay with us. Hanks. 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