You know, if you wanted to hold a pageant to decide the president aes favorite Member Of Congress, i dont think any of us knows who the final winner might be. Might be whether the president insisted on a swimsuit contest or something scarier. Without any argument at all, i think almost all of us who paid any attention to the news in this era, we could all name a couple of the pageant finalists were this contest to happen. One of the finalists would undoubtedly be the Member Of Congress who started off today being taken into custody at the offices of the fbi in lower manhattan. Chris collins a Republican Congressman from new york, hes from buffalo, he was the first Member Of Congress to
endorse Donald Trumps president ial campaign all the way back in february, 2016. We know that is the kind of thing that really matters to this president. Congressman collins has since been among the most Faithful Visible Trump loyalists in washington. But now hes been arrested in an alleged scheme that also resulted in the arrest of his son today as well as the father of his sons fiancee. But the Chris Collins alleged Insider Trading scandal which burst into view today with the unsealing of his indictment, that scandal is one that touches is several other serving members of congress and also disgraced Health Secretary tom price who was the first trump Cabinet Secretary to resign in scandal. We have had our fair share of political scandals and public corruption indictments as a country. That is a history that includes todays date on the calendar in 1974, when president Richard Nixon resigned the presidency in
the wake of the watergate scandal. That was this day, 1974. But even so, even with that rich history under our belts it really is something when you wake up to the news of a sitting Member Of Congress being decided by federal prosecutors and the site of a sitting Member Of Congress being hauled before a federal judge for criminal arraignme arraignment. So, we will have more ahead tonight on trump ally Republican Congressman Chris Collins turning himself in and being indicted and arraigned on federal criminal charges today including talking to the intrepid local reporter at the buffalo news, who first broke the story that turned into this scandal and who himself, the reporter, gets a cameo role in todays indictment of the congressman he first exposed. That is all. Thats all coming up tonight. But, we have gotten an
exclusive story that weve got break ourselves tonight before we get to Chris Collins and the other stuff that happened today. Our exclusive tonight concerns another republican in congress who would definitely make the finals in our hypothetical pageant to choose the members of congress who is the president s favorite. Before donald trump was elected california Republican Congressman devin nunes was important but he was a low profile Member Of Congress, low profile to the extent that nobody really recognized him on sight. Definitely nobody knew how to pronounce his last name. Even though Congressman Nunes was a relatively anonymous Member Of Congress he had a big important job. Hes the head of the Intelligence Committee which is a very big deal. Since trump was elected, devin nunes, trumps supporter, a Senior Member of the trump transition, he has turned that important job of leading the Intelligence Committee into a fulltime crusade to try to derail the Russia Investigation by any means necessary and to
defend trump in that investigation at almost any cost. Congressman nunes has pressured the Justice Department and fbi into making unprecedented disclosures of Law Enforcement sensitive material and Classified Information actively being used in ongoing open investigations. Congressman nunes got himself investigated by the Ethics Committee for himself engineering an elaborate stunt from information he received from trump allies in the white house and then he called a Press Conference to announce that he was going back up to the Trump White House to deliver to them this shocking Classified Information that in fact they had just given him. The man has been acrobatic to the point of contortion in his efforts to make the Russia Investigation go away, and to turn the investigation of that attack into itself a bigger scandal than the attack in the first place. The president has been very appreciative of Congressman Nunes efforts in this area. A Great American hero. A true american patriot, devin nunes deserves everyones support. Vote for devin nunes. Tonight, we have some news about devin nunes. One of the republican members Of Kong Glows has an unexpectedly tough time in a primary last night is a senior lead area of the Republican House liedership from washington state. Congresswoman kath mcmorrisrodgers. Tonight, we have obtained an audiotape that was made at one of her final fund raisers before last nights difficult primary. We obtained this from a Progressive Group called fuse washington. Someone from that group paid to attend this cathy mcmorrisrodgers fundraiser and made this recording at this event. This fundraiser was held last week, on monday of last week. It was a closed press event. Because of that, what happened at this fundraiser has not been reported anywhere simply because reporters were explicitly not
allowed in when this thing happened last week. Tonight, we have obtained the tape of what happened at that fundraiser. On that tape, you will hear congressman cathy mcmorrisrodgers a little bit. You will mostly hear the republican chairman of the house Intelligence Committee, congressman devin nunes, who was her guest at that fundraiser trying to raise funds for her for her reelection battle. At this event, Congressman Nunes somewhat radically veers from the script where hes supposed to be raising money for cathy mcmorrisrodgers and encouraging her supporters to be enthusiastic about her candidacy, he veers from that script as you will hear and instead makes lengthy and controversial remarks about the Trump White House and specifically about the Russia Investigation. These are not the kinds of things devin nunes usually says in public. This was an event that was closed press. It was held Behind Closed Doors
for these republican donors only. These remarks from devin nunes were never supposed to be public as far as he and cathy mcmorrisrodgers knew and presumably thought they would never become public. We have now obtained them. We believe these remarks are news worthy. We believe they are in Fact Reveller to in several instances. Im going to make those remarks public right now. Here goes. Well sort of go smaller to mediumsized to big here. First thing to know about the way congressman devin nunes talks Behind Closed Doors when he thinks there will be no Press Coverage of what he says is that for all of his very public, very fullsome expressions of fealty and support for President Trump, turns out when hes speaking Behind Closed Doors, hes willing to say hes actually a little embarrassed by President Trump that, the president s statements sometimes make him cringe. So this is the first clip from
devin nunes. This is in the context of Congressman Nunes criticizing the Russian Investigation and specifically talking about the recent news the president s statements on twitter might be cited as evidence in that investigation. Listen. They know its ridiculous to go after the president for obstruction of justice. But if they tell a lie often enough and they put it out there and they say, oh, were looking at the tweets because you know you have a mixed bag on the tweets right . Sometimes we love the president s tweets and sometimes we cringe on the president s tweets, but theyre trying to make a political this is all political from the New York Times on tweets. Congressman devin nunes, sometimes we cringe on the president s tweets. Substantively, who could possibly take issue with that, right. In real political terms, though, the president probably will take issue with that, especially given the way the president has used twitter specifically to hype up support for congressman devin nunes. Nunes we now know tells donors Behind Closed Doors at private events that the president s tweets make him cringe. More substantively the white house will also want to know while the congressman has been the single lead antagonist of the Russia Investigation in congress, while Congressman Nunes has done more than any other Congressional Republican to try to Monkey Wrench the Robert Mueller investigation and the fbi and Justice Department more broadly in order to protect President Trump and his campaign, turns out even Congressman NunesBehind Closed Doors is willing to concede that if anyone in the United States had anything to do with the release of emails and documents that were stolen during a campaign, that unequivocally would be a criminal act. Now, if somebody thinks that my campaign or cathys campaign is colluding with the chinese or you name the country, hey, could
couldnt happen, it had be a very bad thing if kathy was getting secrets from the portuguese, lets say, just because im portuguese, my family was, so kathy was getting secret information from the portuguese may or may not be unusual. But ultimately say the portuguese brought her some stolen emails and decided to release that, if thats the case, thats criminal. Thats criminal. Just in case its not clear here, the reference to the portuguese here, you hear a chuckle here, not because Congressman Nunes is saying portugal did anything wrong, the congressman himself is of portuguese descent. Hes explaining hes using portugal as a hypothetical example of a country interfering in an election. Can we rerack and play the last part of that again . Lets say the portuguese came
Rachel Maddow takes a look at the days top political news stories. During the campaign, it cannot help that the lead opponent of the Russia Investigation privately concedes when he thinks nobody is recording him that sort of activity, if proven, that would definitely be criminal. Now, we have a problem, right . Because if somebody stole the emails, gave them to cathy, cathy released them, if thats the case, thats criminal. How does that line up with the Trump Campaign and what they did with wikileaks and guccifer 2. 0 and dc leaks . Theres twos other statements at this closed door event that will make a little bit of news here. This next one includes audio cameo from the member of Congress Whose fundraiser devin nunes was speaking at. Kathy Mcmorris Rodgers is the flub four republican in House Leadership. Shes from washington state. This fundraiser we obtained this audio is from spokane, washington, held by her reelection campaign. This fundraiser was last week,
can we have that transcript to put up for a second . There have been these public statements by the Republican Leadership in congress theyre not pursuing this crazy idea of impeaching Rod Rosenstein. Despite those public statements heres kathy Mcmorris Rodgers appearing to agree that in fact, they are going to pursue impeaching Rod Rosenstein once the election is over and once they have got the new Supreme Court justice installed. Impeaching Rod Rosenstein has nothing to do with Rod Rosenstein. What it is, is the only option, the one option the Republican Congress has to really force the end of the mueller investigation. If they impeach and forcibly remove from office the man who oversees the mueller investigation, that is how they could arrange the installation of Somebody Else who could be put in place in that same job who would shut the investigation down. Its really the only thing Congressional Republicans could do to stop the mueller
investigation. Its their emergency brake, an extreme, even a crazy option and it has been seen that way, seen as extreme if not crazy fuss far in washington, at least in public statements by house Republican Leadership in washington. But heres evidence from this audio that the House Leadership is secretly on board with this plan. But for after the election. And they want to specifically sequence it so it happens once President Trumps nominee is safely installed on the Supreme Court. That may be just about wanting the Supreme Court nomination fight to take precedence over everything else. It may also mean theyre expecting the impeachment of Rod Rosenstein to precipitate some kind of constitutional crisis for which they want to make sure theyve got the new trump justice already ensconced on the high court. Hoarse one last one. Congressman devin nunes leads the Intelligence Committee, a
impede that investigation, or else, right . Or quote all of this goes away. Thats why they want to keep the majority. Thats the stakes for them keeping the majority. Theyre using the majority to impede the investigation. If they lose the majority the investigation might go forward, and then, quote, all of this goes away. So, again, we obtained this audio from a Progressive Group called fuse washington, someone from that group paid to attend this fundraiser and made this recording. We, of course, asked congressman devin nunes for comment. He has thus far not responded. We hope he will. We asked congresswoman cathy mcmorrisrodgers for comment. This was her fundraiser after all. Her office has not yet commented either. Although we hope they will. We will let you know if we hear back. We will post all this audio and transcripts online tonight. Stay with us tonight. More to come. Tech at safelite autoglass, we really pride ourselves on making it easy for you to get your windshield fixed. With safelite, you can see exactly when well be there. Saving you time for what you love most. Kids whoa kids vo safelite repair, safelite replace now im gonna tell my momma that im a traveller
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having long days. They say they plan to get through eight more witnesses over the course of the next two days. If thats true that means none of the rest of the witnesses will be on the stand anywhere as near as long as the star witness thus far, the Trump Deputy Campaign chairman, rick gates, who finally wrapped up three days of testimony today. Now, i admittedly i am not a lawyer and so i may not just be getting this. Here is something that happened with rick gates today towards the end of his testimony i dont understand. This is Paul Manaforts Defense Attorney asking rick gates about the old 31count indictment against gates that got dropped by prosecutors once gates decided to flip and cooperate with the prosecution in their case against paw manafort. I dont understand this at all. Heres how it goes. Manaforts lawyer, question. That indictment has been dismissed. Gates, it has. Are there circumstances under which that indictment can be brought again . There are. What are they . If i fail to them tell the truth today, they could indict me. And if you were indicted on that, how much time would you be facing . Gate, a significant amount. Question, a hundred years by your account . Gates, yes, 100 years. See, i imagine if i were on the jury, that might make me think that rick gates is going to be Super Dooper Supercalifragilisticexpalidociou committed to telling the complete truth, right . Because weve just spelled out in court that the price of him lying would be him going to jail for 100 years. This seems like the kind of questioning you would pursue in court in frornt of the jury if you wanted to make sure the jury would definitely believe Everything Rick Gays said were true because the consequences of him lying were so true. This is the line of questioning we got from manaforts side. Theyre supposedly trying to
make the jury think gates is as unbelievable as possible, thattize a lying liar who lies. Right . I dont get it, they kept going with this today. Hammer and tongs. Here today, mr. Gates, do you have any doubt in your mind if you lied that the special counsels office would rip up your Plea Agreement . Gates, no doubt at all. Why would you have that conversation in front of the jury . Why is this a good strategy for the defense . Why keep clearly laying out how high the stakes are for gates if he does lie he can go to jail for a century . The manafort defense has simultaneously tried to make gates look at bad as possible for the jury up to and including the jury hearing he had multiple Extramarital Affairs including that gates has the incentive to definitely not lie in this case because that would be so terrible for him. How does that work . Why would you tell the jury you
definitely cant believe this liar and also tell the injury he is not lying now. Dont get. A former prosecutor with the Eastern District of virginia, he not only tried cases like this in this court, he tried cases like this before this specific judge. And gene rossi has been ringside at the Paul Manafort trial all this week. Good to see you. Am i being dense . Is there something clear about that legal strategy . No. Heres why. When a defendant pleads guilty and becomes a cooperator, in their Plea Agreement they have the maximum penalties and they also have the number of counts and also say that those counts would be consecutive. If the defense hasnt brought that out, i am sure on redirect the prosecutors would have brought it out. In fact, i think in the case today the prosecutors did bring it out. The jury knows whats in the Plea Agreement, they know that he cant lie, they know that he
would go to jail for 100 years. Absolutely. As a matter of fact, most jury gets the Plea Agreement. Im sure its an exhibit. When i was a prosecutor a lot of years, i would put that Plea Agreement in and i would front in my direct exam which i dont think the prosecutors did that as much as the defense did, and in redirect, i would front, youre facing 100 years. Youre facing five counts. What in your mind will happen if you lie . The Plea Agreement will be ripped up and i could face 100 years. Which tells the jury this guy is not going to lie. Absolutely. Its weird for the defense to be pursuing that while simultaneously trying to undermine the credibility of rick gates. Not really. If i am a Defense Attorney, i am now, im going to ask that witness, youre facing 100 years. You know the only way to get a reduction in sentence, a 5k or rule 35, those are the vehicles, you know the only way is to tell the prosecutors what they want to hear. To lie to them, to dupe them. Thats the only strategy. Theyre suggesting that he lied to the prosecutors in order to get his deal . Absolutely. Boy, are they doing that backwards. This is what you have to do and it is done every every criminal trial i had the Defense Attorney would get up there and say, youre facing 100 years, youre facing a mandatory minimum of 25 years. You will do anything to get a reduction in sentence, you will lie about anybody to get a reduction. Thats really the best you can do. Ive been reading all this through the transcripts and following all the reporting from this. Sitting in the courtroom, especially with your experience in the Eastern District of virginia, how do you feel what do you think about the strength of the case . This is tax fraud, bank fraud. Weve seen, somewhat surprising approaches, at least from a lehmans perspective on both sides. How do you as an observer, somebody experienced in this field in this courtroom think both sides are doing . In my career, i had 30 tax trials, civil and criminal. Heres my analysis. The case against Paul Manafort, if the government rested today, is very powerful. Okay. In my opinion, theres a high likelihood Paul Manafort will be found guilty of 10 counts, five for the tax returns. And all they have to show is under oath, which a tax return is, and two material falsehoods, income not reported and the f bar, Foreign Bank Account report. Those are the 10 counts against Paul Manafort. There is absolutely no way that the jury is going to ignore the mound of documents that suggest and point towards mr. Manafort failing to report 30 million in income over many years. And that evidence, as presented by the prosecution, at this point, is uncontroverted, the jury is not going to have any doubt . Let me tell you this. I sat through monday, tuesday and wednesday. The Defense Attorneys are phenomenal attorneys. Theyre all from the tax division of doj, former. I worked with tom zendley, i know jay. I know kevin downey. I worked for the tax division. They are doing a fabulous job. But trials are like poker. You are dealt cards and you have to do the best they can. They are doing the best they can, its just the cards they have are horrible. He didnt file an f bar when he knew he had to, and he lied to people. I want to say this. Every criminal tax trial has to have a theme. Heres the theme of this trial. Greed, lies and manipulation. You have this, no pun intended,
card analogy in spades. Its unbelievable. I think its a very strong case, i could be shocked if something happens in the next few days. But the government could rest today, they could have rested probably yesterday. And you think hed still be convicted . Absolutely, on those counts. Gene rossi, theres another element of this actually which is your connection to this case which im going to ask you about when we come back. I cant wait. Hold your breath. Well be right back with gene. Stay with us. Harmonica Interrupts how they could save 15 or more by. Harmonica Interrupts . By just calling or going online to geico. Com. Harmonica Interrupts sighs and chuckles sorry, are you gonna. Harmonica Interrupts everytime. Geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 or more on car insurance. In a key study neulasta reduced the risk of infection from 17 to 1 , a 94 decrease. Neulasta onpro is designed to deliver neulasta the day after chemo and is used by most patients today. Neulasta is for certain Cancer Patients receiving strong chemotherapy. Do not take neulasta if youre allergic to it or Neupogen Filgrastim . An incomplete dose could increase infection risk. Ruptured spleen, sometimes fatal as well as serious lung problems, allergic reactions, Kidney Injuries and Capillary Leak Syndrome have occurred. Report abdominal or shoulder tip pain, Trouble Breathing or allergic reactions to your doctor right away. In patients with sickle cell disorders, serious, sometimes fatal crises can occur. The most common side effect is bone and muscle ache. Ask your doctor about neulasta onpro. Pay no more than 5 per dose with copay card. Ask your doctor about neulasta onpro. The world is full of different hair. Thats why pantene has the perfect conditioners for everyone. From airlight foam, to nourishing 3 minute miracle, to the moistureinfusing gold series. We give more women great hair days every day. Pantene. California had the worst Wildfire Season on record. Scientists say, our weather is becoming more extreme and we all have to be better prepared. Thats why pg e is adopting new and additional safety precautions to help us monitor and respond to dangerous weather. Hi, im allison bagley, a meteorologist with pg es Community WildfireSafety Program. Were working now, to enhance our Weather Forecasting capabilities, building a network of new Weather Stations to identify when and where extreme Wildfire Conditions may occur, so we can respond faster and better. Were installing Cutting Edge Technology to provide realtime mapping and tracking of weather patterns. And we use this information in partnership with First Responders and californias Emergency Response systems. To learn more about the Community WildfireSafety Program and how you can help keep your home and community safe, visit pge. Com wildfiresafety
joining us once again is gene rossi, a former prosecutor in the Eastern District of virginia. I know you have another connection to this case. You represent one of the five witnesses. Right. Who the government said could be called to testify against manafort in exchange for immunity. Your client is connor obrien. As far as i understand it he worked with cindy laporta, one only one of the five people on than list who has actually been called thus far. The government said these were just potential witnesses but i guess your client was prepared to testify because he was on the list. He had gone through the process of getting an immunity agreement. What does it say to you your client was not called to testify in the end. Very simple. They didnt need him. My client had just a little bit, sliver of the affair, skrooem
scheme that they had. They had if i lip testify. They had heather testify, cindy laporta, rick gates actually helped, too. They did not need my client. Hes a great kid and so happy he didnt have to testify. In the case of cindy laporta, she had an Immunity Deal and not in legal jeopardy for what she testified to in court if she tells the truth. Helping Paul Manafort with his tax returns. She said she regretted it and got use immunity. We learned yesterday she has nevertheless been fired. She nevertheless lost her job. Immunity deals usually involve copping to illegal activity. Is your client having to worry about that kind of stuff too . The other clients on this list . I cant comment on that. I have one other question. Judge ellis. Thats what i thought you were going to start with. Thats why i was smiling. Youve tried cases before him. Is he always like this . Let me just tell you this. I appeared in front of judge ellis for 20 years. I had seven trials and hundreds of hearings. I lost count of the number of hearings. What youre seeing from judge ellis is what i saw the first time i appeared in front of him in 1997. He is what he is, and hes never going to change. It seems like hes really ragging on the prosecutors. Yes. Not going after the defense. Is that his mo as well or is that unusual and specific to this case . Its not unusual because my seven trials, there were times he was ragging on me, its part of the process. Heres what i want to give advice to anybody who appears before judge ellis. Do not take it personally. That is the way he rolls. He is a brilliant jurist. He likes to get involved in the case, in questioning and correcting. The thing i like about judge ellis, he is a perfectionist. He has made hundreds if not thousands of attorneys better, including me, because he is a perfectionist. Is he always harder on the prosecution than on the defense . Not always. In this case do you think he is notably harder on the prosecution . I think in this case, yes, but not i wouldnt say notably. Last week, he was pretty tough on the prosecutors. Yes. Yesterday and today, i have noticed that mr. And dress who is doing a great job and the other two prosecutors, brandon and uso, i know those two very well, hes getting a little washing with gray. Its because they now realize they have almost an understanding. You have to understand, judge ellis does this in every single case, no matter how big or how small. Just that every single case doesnt get this kind of
national attention for all the reasons this is. Thats why we need your expertise. Gene rossi, former prosecutor of the Eastern District of virginia. Thank you. Thank you. Already good to have you here. Much more to cop tonight. Stay with us. Id stay close. Morning. Get ready to switch. Protected by flo. Should say, protected by alan and jamie. Right . Should it . When you bundle home and auto. Run, alan . You get more than just savings. You get roundtheclock protection. And snoring . How smart is that . Smarter sleep. To help you lose your dad bod, train for that marathon, and wake up with the patience of a saint. The new sleep number 360 smart bed, from 999. Smarter sleep will change your life. Colleague down the hall, congressman Chris Collins, a republican from upstate new york. From buffalo. Hes also one of the largest shareholders in that Australian Farmceutical company and he sat on the Board Of Directors of that company which itself is an unusual thing for a sitting Member Of Congress let alone one that oversees health care on committees. After Congressman Collins tried to get his colleagues to invest in that company, house ethics investigators started looking into you Chris Collins and his ties to that company last year. Today this long brewing scandal culminated with congressman Chris Collins getting arrested on federal Insider Trading charges and for lying to federal agents. Thats him spot shadows there at Federal Court in New York City today. Today probably felt like the longest day of congressman Chris Collins life. But it also must have felt like a Long Time Coming for the
reporters who have been on the story from before the beginning. Jerry is the Washington Bureau chief for buffalo news, the reporter who first broke the story there was a House Ethics Investigation into Congressman Collins and his ties to the company way back before any of it. Buffalo news stays on the story even when the congressman repeatedly publically attacked them, all up until this criminal indictment today. I imagine this has felt a Long Time Coming. Thank you for being here today. Thank you very much. How did this evolve from the first stories that buffalo news ran on this matter to where it ended up today . It was a long, long trail that we ended up following. It all started as you mentioned with the investigation into tom price and his stock trades and how they related to Chris Collins. But really the big break in the story i think is one that went largely unnoticed. It was late in june last year
when all of a sudden, one wednesday night, immunotherapeutics introduces this Press Release saying hey, weve got this great news from the fda. Were going to be able to do Clinical Trials in the u. S. A couple days later, theres a sudden hold on the stock trading. And that seemed very, very suspicious. And then only a couple of days later, the following week, the following monday night, we find out why there was a hold. The Clinical Trials of their much touted drugging to supposedly cure Multiple Sclerosis failed completely. The companys only product was essentially worthless and so was the company. Thats an unusual dynamic to have this hyping Press Release saying things are going great right before things actually cratered. Exactly. I did a story where i talked to People In Australia and also people in buffalo. They both looked at this as whats called a Pump And Dump Scopy where you it out tyou tou
price of the stock and everything goes quiet for a while while the insiders sell. So the investors in the know will get the best possible price for their stock while they are selling it off while the rest of the dupes in the public who dont know the it are about to take a bath. Exactly. The indictment doesnt address the first part of that, that highly touted Optimistic Press release, thats not in there. But the second part of this long delay and the insiders dumping the stock, yes, thats in there. One of the other things thats in the indictment i think is a reference to you. There is part of whats alleged in the scheme is that congressman Collins Office released a statement to a reporter, who i think is you. That is me. Essentially saying that, hey, when my family sold off this stock as the stock cratered and dropped by 92 in value, you shouldnt see that as any essentially giving you a Statement Exonerating the family of any wrongdoing for
having done that, making it seem like they actually got hit very hard just like members of the public dg who might have held this stock. Is that essentially the way that you feature in the indictment and what did you make of that statement when he actually got it the from Collins Office . Thats pretty much the way it was, is in terms of how it happened, i asked the questions about the family. And the familys investment, what happened with that, did they sell, et cetera. I got this very straightforward statement which said there was nothing suspicious here, that everyone had taken a loss, et cetera. It clearly turned out not to be true. That statement turned out not to be true. Of course, when i was reading the indictment this morning, i read that and said, oh, that sounds like a very familiar little Press Release, come to think of it. Congressman collins has been reportedly overheard near the floor of the house bragging about how many millionaires he made in buffalo back home by talking people into investing into this company. Hes also tried to raise funds politically by attacking the
buffly news by attacking you and your paper for having pursued this story. He says hes going to run for reelection. Thats a very, very interesting question. The thing he really has going for him is that he is representing one of the most republican districts, probably the most republican district in new york state. There are a certain percentage of people in his district who will believe him and think this is another attempt by the press and the evil fbi to go after republicans again and will vote on partisan plinz i think discerning voters may think about this a little bit more. But its really going to be a struggle, i think, for any democrat to win in that district just because of the partisan lean of the district. This is one of those Speaking Indictments written for a public audience. To the extent it gets circulated and people read this for themselves, its a pretty powerful case. Jerry, i know it has not been fun to be the target of the congressmans ire for pursuing
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