Similar wall street crash in the future, those Safety Measures will now, in large part, be stripped away. Congress passed this repeal, literally on the same day it was reported that the big banks in this country just had their most profitable quarter ever. So, its not like then banks needed relief from the onerous regulation here that was holding them back. Theyre doing better than ever. Congress still felt the need to do even more. So, as a nation, we will saw the seat belts out of the cars and see what happens. President trump is expected to sign the bill, of course. And the distant roar you hear is not peepers looking for dates on a warm spring night. Those are champagne corks hitting the ceiling at every firm on wall street. Remarkable decision today. Hold onto your wallet for this one. The president s legal jeopardy may have taken a leap forward tonight, with news first broken in the New York Times that there is yet another new cooperating witness in the investigation that has been circling the president , his associates and his campaign. This new cooperating witness is someone who may be able to shine a light on some dark places the white house is probably not psyched to have illuminated. Now, this is an important story, and its a short piece thats run in the New York Times. The New York Times reporters were able to get this story because they were there at a courthouse in albany, new york, in a case that has not been on the National Radar at all, but what happened in that courtroom today, a little 20minute hearing, absolutely has big national implications, including for the president. The story is sort of incredible. The prevailing theory of the president s legal jeopardy, the potential legal jeopardy for the president , has long been driven by the prospects of who might eventually be induced by prosecutors to cooperate with them, to tell prosecutors what they know about interactions an involvement between the president and russia, before, during or after the time when russia was intervening in the 2016 president ial election to help trump win. Paul manafort is obviously one bright link between the Trump Campaign and russia. He had been a prorussia lobbyist and consultant for more than a decade, right up to the moment when he somewhat inexplicably started running Donald Trumps campaign for free. Paul manaforts personal financial ties to the former soviet union, the financial circumstances around his time on the Trump Campaign, the business dealings involving russians that appear to have overlapped with his tenure on the Trump Campaign, that is all potentially very richter toir for prosecutors who are looking at the president and his campaign. But thus far, Paul Manafort is not cooperating with prosecutors. He has pled not guilty. He is fighting the multiple felony charges they have brought against him in multiple federal jurisdictions. Hes due on trial in his first case in just a few weeks. So, manafort could conceivably, could potentially be a really big problem for the president if he flipped, but manafort hasnt flipped. The other person who is potentially and even bigger problem for the president is the president s longtime personal attorney, a Longtime Trump Organization executive named Michael Cohen. Unlike Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen has not been charged with anything, but there is an ongoing federal inquiry involving Michael Cohen, which has been unfolding in plain view in the federal courthouse in new york city. Michael cohens office and home and hotel room and safety deposit box were all searched by federal agents. A special master has been reviewing boxes of documents seized from mr. Cohen and as many as a dozen Electronic Devices that the agents took, as well. That special master is determining if any of those seized documents need to be kept away from prosecutors because they represent confidential Attorney Client communications. Thus far it doesnt seem like that determination has been that tough. The special master has already started handing over multiple boxes of documents to the federal prosecutors who are handling this investigation into Michael Cohen. Michael cohen is known to have pursued hush money deals for the president for multiple women who have claimed to have had affairs with him. Michael cohen is known to have spearheaded the secret pursuit of a major russian real estate deal for the Trump Organization during the president ial campaign, one that reportedly included a Financing Deal with a sanctioned governmentcontrolled russian bank and direct communications with the kremlin to try to move the project forward. Michael cohen is known to have been a conduit for years for money from the former soviet union into trump real estate projects, both in new york and around the world. Of all the people in trump world, Michael Cohen flipping to cooperate with prosecutors in an investigation into donald trump and his campaigns ties to russia, that would likely be a very harrowing prospect for the white house, maybe even more harrowing than the prospect of Paul Manafort flipping. Now, Michael Cohen has loudly proclaimed himself to be impenetratably loyal to donald trump. And, again, at least thus far, he hasnt even himself been charged with any crimes. Thats important, because thats almost always the leverage that prosecutors have to get someone to flip, to convince a reluctant witness they should cooperate with the prosecution instead of continuing to fight. The way they get you to flip is by getting the goods on you and bringing a bunch of charges against you, upping the amount of legal jeopardy that you yourself are in, and then they hoist you up on a proverbial cliff, they hang you over the ledge, they show you the immense legal threat you are facing personally. Then they tell you, but you know we can basically make that threat go away if youll just agree to talk. Well, tonight, Michael Cohen started to dangle over the edge of that proverbial cliff. This is the headline in the times. Michael cohens Business Partner agrees to cooperate as part of plea deal. Quote, a significant Business Partner of michael d. Cohen, President Trumps personal lawyer, has quietly agreed to cooperate with the government as a potential witness, a development that could be used as leverage to pressure mr. Cohen to work with the special counsel examining russian interference in the 2016 president ial election. Under the agreement, the partner known as gene freedman will avoid jail time himself, but he will assist government prosecutors in state or federal investigations. The taxi business in new york has been a foundation of Michael Cohens Business Career for years. And no offense intended, but the taxi business in new york is also a notoriously mobbed up business. And this man, evgeni freidman, who has just agreed to flip and cooperate with prosecutors, he was Michael Cohens main connection to that notoriously mobbed up business. And mr. Freidman has also, of late, been in a ton of legal trouble himself. Quote, mr. Freidman has been Michael Cohens partner in the taxi business for years, managing cabs for him, even after new york city regulators banned mr. Freidman last year from continuing to manage medallions. Mr. Freidman was disbarred as a lawyer earlier this month, accused of failing to pay more than 5 million in taxes. Mr. Freidman faced four counts of criminal tax fraud and one of grand larcenlarceny, all feloni. Each carries a maximum prison sentence of up to 25 years in prison. Hes disbarred. He is banned from the business. He was facing potentially 125 years in prison. Now, though, now that hes taken this deal to cooperate, he has pled guilty to, quote, a single count of evading only 50,000 worth of taxes. And if he fulfills the terms of his agreement, hes looking at no jail time at all. Just probation. As long as he tells them everything he knows. And that kind of bargain makes it clear why mr. Freidman might have taken this deal, why hes cooperating now. But mr. Freidman is apparently in all that legal trouble, at least indirectly, stemming from the years that he was in business with Michael Cohen. And theres a live federal investigation already against Michael Cohen. If Michael Cohen ends up deciding that his own legal jeopardy is too overwhelming, if he ends up himself cooperating with prosecutors in the investigation into the Trump Campaign and President Trump, then katie bar the door, Michael Cohen cooperating . That would be a very big deal. Who could possibly pose a greater danger to President Trump in terms of his own legal liability than Michael Cohen as a cooperator with prosecutors . Is there anybody who might pose a greater danger to him in terms of what cohens been involved in with trump . The possibility of him cooperating with prosecutors just got much more real tonight at an out of the way courtroom in albany new york with this plea deal and this cooperation from his former Business Partner. Youll want to keep the tv on about that. And, on top of all of that, there is James Clapper. James clapper has written a new book that is just out today, that is called facts and fears. The title comes from a quote from general george patton, quote, the time to take counsel of your fears is before you make an important battle decision. Thats the time to listen to every fear you can imagine. When you have collected all the facts and all the feerms and made your decision, turn off all your fears and go ahead. Clapper uses that quote and takes it as his title for his book that is out today in part to explain why he has chosen to write a book. He said, quote, as i left Government Service, i had my own decision to make. I had not planned to write anything. But after experiencing the election, the unprecedented russian interference in our political process, and the behavior by and impact of the trump administration, i changed my mind. He says, quote, i think the catalyst was the stark visceral realization of seeing the fundamental pillars of our country being undermined both by the russians and by the president. This shook me. Should tell you James Clapper then goes on to say some absolutely remarkable things about the sitting president of the United States. I will quote you what he says about President Trump in a moment, it will curl your hair. But the news that James Clapper makes in this new book is remarkable not just because of the sort of position that hes taking, and the observations that hes making, the opinions that hes voicing, whats remarkable about the news that hes making in this new book is remarkable because what he is in a position to know, what he has seen, what he has been through. He was director of National Intelligence under president obama. Only the fourth person to have ever held that job, which was created after 9 11. He took that job in 2010, he held it until the day trump was inaugurated in january 2017. Jim clapper held the intelligence director job for longer than all three people who had it before him combined. Clapper was there at the head of the Intelligence Community for all of the intelligence scandals and stories that you remember for most of the last decade. Edward snowden and Chelsea Manning and the raid that killed bin laden and wikileaks and bengha benghazi. You get a detailed explanation from clapper as to what went wrong when he said the nsa wasnt collecting data on millions of americans when in fact it was. He gives his whole explanation about what went wrong there. Before he was director of National Intelligence, James Clapper was running a different Intelligence Agency which put him in a position to be intimately involved with the disastrous failure in advance of the iraq war, when the Intelligence Community and the Bush Administration said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq when there werent. Clapper, when he was head of the defense Intelligence Agency, when that agency was caught up in a huge emotional National Scandal over the pursuit of american prisoners of war and Service Members listed as missing in action long after the end of the vietnam war. James clapper has been there for all of it. He is a controversial figure in lots of different circles for lots of Different Reasons because hes been at least tangentially and centrally involved, in many cases, in just about every intelligence story thats made the news in the last 40 years. And intelligence stories rarely become news when something is good, its because something went bad. In this book, James Clapper is scathing about President Trump, which is remarkable itself, coming from a career nonpartisan military and intel guy who has served under every president since john f. Kennedy. But listen to this. This comes right at the end of the book. The last giant intelligence story and scandal that clapper was right in the middle of things for was obviously the russian attack on the 2016 election. You heard me read the part where he said that was the reason why he decided to write a book. The book explains in great detail what the Intelligence Community new about the russian attack, how they responded, what decisions were made while the attack was underway while president obama was still president. Gen, clapper left the job of National Intelligence director on the day of trumps inauguration. In the Intelligence Community assessment that clapper released in january before trump was inaugurated, youll remember that the Intelligence Community announced its conclusion that russia had attacked the president ial election, specifically to try to help donald trump win, but the Intelligence Community didnt try to assess whether or not the russian attack worked. Whether they actually succeeded in giving trump the one when he otherwise would have lost. That was where the Intelligence Communitys official assessment left off, in january of 2017, just as James Clapper was leaving office, after decades in intel. Well, now that hes out of Government Service and a private citizen, James Clapper is ready to say what he really thinks on that front, and what he really saw happen. Okay. Check this out. By may 2017, when james comey was fired as fbi director, we had learned that the russian operation had been even more expansive than the Intelligence Community had assessed in january. We knew now that the russians had thousands of twitter accounts and tens of thousands of bots that posted more than a million tweets. They posted more than a thousand videos on youtube with days of streaming content. Facebook has said russian contact reached 1 6 million of its american users, which is an astonishing number, considering only 139 million americans voted. As the leader of the Intelligence Community, i testified what the i. C. Did not attempt to assess where the Russian Influence Campaign impacted the results of the election. As a private citizen, i have no doubt they influenced at least some voters. Looking at the savvy ways the russians targeted specific voter groups, for instance, buying ads on facebook promoting clintons support of the black lives matter movement, but ensuring those ads ran only only the pages of White Conservative voters in swing states. Looking at how they created lies that helped trump and hurt clinton and promoted these falsehoods through social media to the point that the traditional u. S. Media were unwittingly spreading russian propaganda. Clapper concludes, of course the russian effort affected the outcome of the election. Surprising even themselves, they swung the election to a trump win. To conclude otherwise stresses stretches logic and common sense to the breaking point. Less than 80,000 votes in three key states swung the election. I have no doubt that more votes than that were influenced by this massive effort by the russians. Oh. Ah, the immediate past director of National Intelligence who was director of National Intelligence during the russian attack on the election says he has no doubt that the russian attack, in his words, quote, swung the election to a trump win. That means that the immediate past director of National Intelligence believes that donald trump is only president because of a successful foreign intelligence operation to make him president. As for the question of whether or not the president s campaign benefitted from that operation just by dumb luck or whether they were in on it in some way, heres what James Clapper says now. In this book that is just out tonight. Quote, as the investigations have advanced, the specter of collusion has dominated the discussion. When i left office in january 2017, id seen no smoking gun evidence that the russian government and the Trump Campaign were in substantive coordination of their efforts. I didnt learn about the june 9 2016 trump tower meeting between trumps closest advisers and representatives of the russian government to discuss dirt on hillary and sanctions against wealthy russians. I didnt learn about that until i was firmly retired. But what i did see as dni is that the russians and the campaign seemed to employ strikingly parallel messaging in social media posts and public statements, effectively complementing each other to great effect with no attempt to hide it. That come buned effort appeared to go well beyond candidate trumps calling on a foreign power to find 30,000 missing emails belonging to his political opponent or his praise for wikileaks. On a routine basis, whenever the Campaign Published an allegation that hurt clinton, the russians would repeat, amplify and embellish that campaign. When the russians promulgated a Conspiracy Theory about her, trump would repeat it at Campaign Rallies and on twitter. Whether secretly coordinated or not, whether there was actual collusion or not, this parallelism constituted a punitive team effort by the russian government and the Trump Campaign. He serves as director of National Intelligence for six and a half years, including for the duration of the russian attack on the 2016 election. He says in this new book that the russian attack did sway the election, that donald trump would not be president but for that attack. And he says the Trump Campaign helped in the attack. He calls it a team effort. James clapper joins us next. U l. Especially when it comes to important stuff. Like, say. Your car. Well good news, the esurance app lets you keep an eye on repairs when your car is in the shop. Its kinda like being there, without being there. Which is probably better for everyone. Thats insurance for the modern world. Esurance. An allstate company. Click or call. Where were changing withs . Contemporary makeovers. Then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab. Who has the upper hand now . Start winning today. Book now at lq. Com. Nondrowsy childrens claritin allergy relief. The 1 pediatrician recommended nondrowsy brand. Because to a kid a grassy hill is irresistible. Childrens claritin. Feel the clarity and live claritin clear. The director of National Intelligence for nearly seven years under president obama was James Clapper. Director of National Intelligence is a very important role. Its not always a high profile one, though. Its not a great way to get famous. The reason James Clapper has become quite famous since leaving that job is because at least i think its because hes not a diplomat. Thats the title of one of the chapters in his new book. Not a diplomat. In his public remarks and in his congressional testimony since leaving that very important behind the scenes job, jim clapper has made a habit of saying important and surprising things in a blunt way, in a way that sometimes surprises the people who are asking him questions. Let me start with the president s tweets yesterday, this idea that maybe president obama ordered an illegal wiretap of his offices. At this point, you cant confirm or deny whether that exists . I can deny it. There is no fisa court order. Not to my knowledge. Of anything at trump tower . No. Well, thats an important revelation at this point. Over the spring of 2016, multiple european allies passed on Additional Information to the United States about contacts between the Trump Campaign and russians. Is this accurate . Ah yes, it is. And its also quite sensitive. Okay. Let me ask you this the specifics are quite sensitive. I think this past weekend is illustrative of what a great case officer Vladimir Putin is. He knows how to handle an asset, and thats what hes doing with the president. Youre saying that russia is handling President Trump as an asset . That seems thats the appearance to me. Joining me now is James Clapper, the former director of National Intelligence, the author of facts and fears which is just out tonight. Mr. Clapper, thank you for being here. Thanks, rachel, for having me. Let me ask you about what i see as this what the part where i got to in your book where i felt like i had to rush out and go into the bullpen where my staff works and read it out loud to everybody. You write about the intelligence assessment that was produced in january 2017, you call it among some of the most important things produced by National Intelligence. That assessment does not say whether the russian interference had any impact on the elections outcome. The Intelligence Community has been very clear they didnt try to assess that. They didnt take a position on that. But in your book, you say that the russian attack did affect the outcome of the election. It did, in effect, elect trump. Why do you feel like you can say that . Well, first of all, the Intelligence Community is is not formally chartered, and was not formally chartered to assess Public Opinion or voter decisions or anything like that in the United States. Thats beyond our charter, beyond our capabilities, beyond our authority. So, we didnt assess that. The only thing that we said that even touched on it was that we saw no evidence of meddling with voter tallies. Not to say there wasnt any, but we just didnt see any evidence of it. But after we did this assessment and i left the government and having understanding of the magnitude, the massive effort that the soviets excuse me, freudian slip, the russians made, to interfere and influence the outcome of the election, and as you outlined in your opening monologue here on this, on the book, when you consider the fact that the election was settled in less than 80,000 votes in three key states, which is where the russians targeted, it just stretches logic, to me, and that it didnt have a huge impact on the election. I should say, the second point i should make, this is not an indictment of anyone who voted for President Trump. What this is an indictment of and what i think should be the focus here is the threat posed by russia, who is bent on undermining our fundamental system. They were eminently successful, i believe, in the election of 2016. You say, page 349 of the book, as summer led into fall, this would have been in 2016, id begun to meet with a small group of security leaders, the cia director, Homeland Security secretary and white house staff. We agreed that russia was behind an unprecedented, aggressive multifaceted influence campaign, using all social media platforms and an influx of russian money, at least for buying advertisements, perhaps even laundered and funneled into campaigns. At that part of the book i was following you all along, working on the largest social media platforms. This idea that russian money was part of the attack and was potentially significant, is new to me. What do you mean by that . Well, the money they invested, although, in the scheme of things, not huge amounts, but the advertising they purchased, this kind of thing, wasnt money like bribing people or that sort of thing. I meant it in terms of the money they expended to promulgate their views and to focus on specific targeted groups in this country, which basically exploited the polarization that already existed. We were a ripe target for this. So, i dont want to exaggerate the amounts here, they werent huge, but they were effectively employed. And i think you get another insight into that, and i sort of felt like the indictments that were made public in february by special counsel mueller, the 13 russians, and what the intelligence, the Internet Research agency did, gives you another vignette into what this was about and what the russians were doing. The reason that the idea of money being part of the campaign is of particular interest now is because of the idea that money is one of the things that prosecutors are very good at tracking. That weve gotten good as an Intelligence Community and as a Law Enforcement community in this country is following dollars. When they pertain to criminal matters. Thats a favorite slogan in intelligence, is follow the money, whether its for terrorists, which ultimately rely on money or lots of other nefarious activity that goes on which in one way or another are going to be buttressed by financial support. I have a million other things to ask you about. Will you sit tight for a moment . Sure. James clapper, author of this slightly scary new book, which is called facts and fears. Well be right back. If you use some of these moves way too often. Then you might have a common condition called dry mouth. Which can be brought on by many things, like medication and medical conditions. Biotene provides immediate, long lasting relief from dry mouth symptoms. It is clinically proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth. Plus, it freshens breath. Biotene. Immediate and long lasting dry mouth symptom relief. If you have a garden, you know. Weeds are lowdown little scoundrels. Draw the line with roundup. 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I served 34 years in the military, 16 years as a civilian in government, six years in industry, virtually all of it in the profession of intelligence. I always considered this a noble calling, a sacred public trust, because, simply stated, i believe in this country. Part of this was a profound respect for president as commander in chief. I served in that spirit every president from john kennedy through barack obama. So, speaking critically of our current president is counter instinctive and difficult for me to do, but i feel it is my duty. We have elected someone as president of the United States whose first instincts are to twist and distort truth to his advantage, to generate been shl benefit to himself and his family and he has set a new low bar for ethics and morality. He has caused damage to our political fabric that will be difficult and will require time to repair. He has slipperily incited Many Americans to lose faith and confidence in them. Joining us wens again is James Clapper, former director of National Intelligence. Sir, i wanted to quote that to you, because i am i know a lot from reading the book about your history as a nonpartisan intelligence and military professional and your decades of service. It is it is striking to hear the strength of your critique there of the president. Was that a hard decision to make . Yes, it was. And my collaborator, trey brown and i, labored over that, to make sure that we captured what i really wanted to say. And it was very difficult for me, you know, i i come from a military family. My father was a military Intelligence Officer in world war ii and through korea and vietnam. Even before i became a part of the military, it was instilled in me about this. So i have a long family and experienceal tradition for respect of the presidency, and particularly in his role as commander in chief. This president makes that difficult for me. The president is the subject of a longrunning now counterintelligence and potentially criminal investigation related to the russian attack on the election, and the Intelligence Community and the fbi have come under sustained attack by him and his political allies because of that. Do you feel like, having been through what youve been there, there are lessons learned, theres advice you want to give in terms of how Law Enforcement and intelligence should be handling that investigation while enduring those attacks . Well, i think the first point id make is today theres, i think, a special burden placed on the leaders of these organizations. Dan coates is dni. Now gina haspel is director of cia and director christopher wray, to provide to the top cover, so that their organizations can function in as nonpolitical an environment as possible, and that is a tall order these days. This is a burden that i dont think any of the predecessors certainly i didnt have to worry about. They do. And its important that the rank and file, the great men and women that compose our Intelligence Services and the fbi continue to tee up, serve up the truth to power whether the power listens to the truth or not. And that places a huge burden, i think, on the leaders to ensure that they continue to do that. And thats going to be a real test, i think, of the resilience of our institutions, which are kind of under stress right now. As part of the Counter Intelligence investigation into what russia was doing, we now know, its now been reported that a confidential informant was used to speak with members of the Trump Campaign who were suspected of having contacts with russians involved in that attack. The president has described that as a huge scandal and has ordered the Justice Department to investigate that aspect of the Counter Intelligence investigation. Did that happen . And was it improper . Well, i wasnt aware of it contemporaneously, nor was i aware of the identity of any informant, nor should i have been, at my position at dni. One of the things thats important about this program which is quite legitimate and is a very valuable source of information for the fbi is confidentiality. And so, if someone is going to cooperate and help the fbi, they need to know that theyre going their identity is going to be protected. So, this was going to have, i think, a Chilling Effect on, regrettably, the identity is out there in the media, its going to have a Chilling Effect on other informants who already help the fbi and certainly on make it more difficult, i this i, to recruit other informants. The damage from this, potentially, is quite grave. Its deliberately shielded from political officials. So, i am sure no one in the white house, i certainly didnt know about it. It would be approved at, im sure, a very high level within the fbi. Because this is a rigorously overseen program, has definite rules, regulations and protocols that have to be adhered to to manage an informant. I just worry about the damage of whats happened here is going to do. Director clapper, i have one last matter that i want to ask you about, which is about your contact with President Trump after the election, and a request that he made of you, which you describe, i think, for the first time in the book. We take one more break, ill ask you about that when we come back. James clapper is our guest. His new book is just out tonight, its called facts and fears. Well be right back. Hello mom. Amandas moms appointment just got rescheduled for today. Amanda needs right at home. Our customized care plans provide as much or as little help as her mom requires. Whether its a ride to the doctor or help around the house. Oh, of course tom, i am really sorry. Ive gotta go. Look, call right at home. Get the right care. Right at home. 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This gets into, you know, pretty sensitive sources and methods, but we had, i thought, very, very solid evidence of that. So, with two months before the election . Yeah. You also i played a clip just before you sat down where diane fine stun ask Dianne Feinstein asked you in an open Senate Hearing about multiple european allies reporting to the u. S. Intelligence community about contacts between the Trump Campaign and russia. You confirmed to senator feinstein that that happened but said the details are sensitive. Is there anything thats happened since that point that would allow you to elaborate . No. I knew that was going to happen. I have to ask, though. Heres something that you wrote about. You describe a phone call that you made to President Trump after he had publicly derided the u. S. Intelligence community as nazis. You said, i thanked him for taking the call and i said hed gotten my attention when he referred to the Intelligence Community as nazis. I explained to him i wanted to defend the men and women of the Intelligence Community. I tried to appeal to his higher instincts. He thanked me. He said he valued the Intelligence Community and the intelligence hed been receiving. He then asked if i would put out a statement refuting what was in the steel dossier. The request felt very transactional, that he would play nice if i would do him a favor. I declined, saying that i couldnt refute or affirm what was in the dossier. He sounded disappointed. He made you an offer that he would make i dont know. Thats probably the implication. I mean, it just that part of the conversation felt transactional to me, i mean, that seemed to be his focus, was the dossier. And i might say, with respect to the dossier, very important point to make, is that we did not use that as a source for our Intelligence Community assessment. It was based on traditional intelligence sources. Our whole point, though, in briefing then president elect trump about it was, i felt strongly, and i think we all did, that we owed it to him to warn him that it was out there, without respect to the content. And jim comey was particularly concerned from a counterintelligence standpoint, because the russians will use compromise, whether its real or contriv contrived, if they can, to exert leverage. And jim felt we should at least warn him about that and that was the whole point, not to ascribe veracity, confirm or deny or rebut what was in the dossier. That said, some of it we did corroborate in the ica. Of course, it appears that more of it has been corroborated with ensuing developments and what weve learned. Is there anything in the dossier that has been disproven . No. Some of it hasnt been proven. And some of it hasnt no, i guess the short answer to the question. The salacious stuff, absolutely no corroboration of that, to my knowledge. 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On the republican side, its a fivecandidate field that has been in a race to the bottom, particularly on one nicely divisive issue. I got a big truck. Just in case i need to round up criminal illegals and take em home myself. Yep, i just said that. Im brian kemp. If you want a politically incorrect conservative, thats me. Not a joke. In this Georgia Republican primary, the round up big truck was not even a clear favorite for the most intentionally offensive on this subject. Weve got the deportation bus. Thats right, you heard me, the Michael Williams deportation bus. Were going to implement my 287g deportation plan that is going to fill this bus with illegals to send them back to where they came from. Were not just going to track them and watch them roam around our state. Were going to put them on this bus and send them home. Ah, Republican Party 2018. Thats been on the republican side in georgia. On the democratic side, the race for governor has been build nationally as a strategy fight over how to win in a red state thats been looking less red year after year. State lawmaker stacey evans argued democrats can turn georgia blue by courting moderate republicans. But stacey evans on the left, and Stacey Abrams, thats the stacey on the right, she has said that democratic hopes instead should be in turning out disengaged democratic voters who stayed home in 2016. Well tonight, Stacey Abrams has now won that primary, meaning she will be the democrats gubernatorial candidate in georgia in november. And it looks like she has won that race by a ton. For more, we are joined by the great Steve Kornacki, who is the man you want the talk to on nights like this. Steve, what can you tell us . Well, yeah, look, not much of a contest. We know what democrats in georgia are in the mood for now. Put this in some perspective, we talk about how georgia is changing demographically. In 2016, the margin here for donald trump, it was five points. In 2012, mitt romney won this by eight points. This is one democrats think is on the horizon, with the demographic changes, with the influx of folks, especially in the atlanta area. Abrams just cleaned up here. Nothing geographically here really stands out. The far northern part of the state where there is very Northern Counties here, there are almost no black residents. Even there we see abrams winning counties tonight. So not each much of a racial divide. Who will she face . Well, this is interesting, casey cagle, the lieutenant governor, he is leading. Georgia is a runoff state. He look likes he is going to be well short of 50 . So, i think were going to have to wait until july to have a runoff between brian kemp, the secretary of state, you saw his ad there, casey cagel. Looks like a runoff. One other race to tell you about, the surprise of the night. This is what a story this is. Jim gray, this was the dcccs recruit. He is the mayor of lexington, kentucky. The dccc recruited him to run for congress in the one district in kentucky democrats think they might be able to flip. This woman, amy mcgrath put an ad up, shes a military veteran. A former aviator. In her ad, she talks about, hey, when i was a girl, i wanted to fly planes, i was told i couldnt do it, look at me now. The ad went viral. She raised 2 million bucks. She became an online sensation. Tonight, she has upset jim gray, won the democratic nomination in kentucky. She will face andy barr, the republican. Now, we say, again, this has been a doubledigit republican district lately, just before that, though, it was represented in congress by a democrat, ben chandler, and the very interesting thing about the performance tonight of mcgrath is, this is the district. Lexington, 40 of it. She lost lexington, remember, that is where gri was tay was t mayor. She won the rural areas outside of the lexington big. And turnout there doubled from the 2016 Clinton Sanders primary on the democratic side. So there might be some Energy Behind mcgrath in some areas where democrats have struggled. The dccc didnt want her. She might be the stronger candidate, though. Fascinating night. Steve, i have one question for you back to the georgia governors race. Stacey abrams the democratic nominee. I will say, having interviewed Stacey Abrams back in the day and totally unrelated, i found her to be one of the most charismatic politicians of her generation from any state. I think she is an incredible talent. What are her prospects statewide for that governors race . Yeah, i mean, thats the thing. We talk about democrats are probably in a neutral year, you know, a few cycles away, the way the demographics are changing. This is one of the Fastest Growing states in the country, especially this atlanta area right here. And the folks who are moving back to the state of georgia, youre talking a lot about nonwhite voters, younger voters. The population of single women is going up there. A lot of ingredients that democrats see. What they hope is that in 2018 that it proves to be a wave election and it basically speeds up what they see as a longer term trend. 2014, they had high hopes early in the year, that was michelle nunn, jason carter. They each lost by about eight, nine points. But 2014 proved to be republican wave year. If you get the reverse of that, a few more years of demographic changes, this is a very interesting test here. The theory of the Abrams Campaign is a departure from what were used to hearing about. Well see. Were going to get some evidence this year about how that theory plays out in an atmosphere like this. Steve kornacki, i tell you, im terrible at making predictions, but no matter what else happens in the rest of that state and the rest of the country in november 2018, i would always expect Stacey Abrams to outperform expectations. I think she is that good just on a personal level. Well be watching. Msnbc National Political correspondent Steve Kornacki is the best in the business. Well be right back. Stay with us. The sun is shining so why binge in here, when you can do it out there. With this clever little app called audible. You can listen to the stories you love while doing the things you love, outside. Everyones doing it shes binging. Theyre binging. And. So is he. So put on your headphones, turn on audible and binge better. With dell small businessout your Technology Advisors you get the oneonone partnership you need to grow your business. The dell vostro 15 laptop. Contact a dell advisor today. 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