Weve got a really important guest tonight on that subject. For years she was the senior korean analyst and linguist at the cia, a tremendous amount of practical experience in terms of dealing with north korea and the development of their Nuclear Program and their missile program. Were going to be joined by her here in the studio later on in the show tonight for the interview. Going to be able to talk about this in more detail once shes here. But as i said, i just want to stick one pin in one point before we get there. And before we get to the other news of the day. Because we have now, with the president s remarks at his golf club today, weve gone through a second day of the president further escalating basically his overt threats of war against north korea. And this is obviously a scary thing. Its an unusual thing. But heres the point of order that i want to raise. Why exactly is this happening right now . And i dont mean like in an existential sense. Like what have we done to bring this upon us. No. I mean specifically. What exactly happened to spark this huge change in fpolicy, these unprecedented thoughts in the last few days, this huge change in americas stamp toward north korea and its potential as a military threat. What started this. In the immediate specific sense. Why is the president now threatening war against north korea. Where did this come from . I mean north korea first tested a Nuclear Weapon 11 years ago, in 2006. In the ensuing decade they have had another four Nuclear Tests after their first one. So there have been five Nuclear Tests in total over the last 11 years. Last year north korea did 24 different missile tests. This year theyve done 18 or 19 different missile tests already. So you know whether or not any of that is particularly terrifying, none of it is new. I mean, the missiles theyre testing are getting longer and longer range which does mean their ability to hit farther flung targets could potentially at least be advancing if these longer range missiles theyre testing could survive reentry and hit the target and be loaded with a war head and all of that stuff. All of this stuff in terms of them testing missiles and stuff, this has been happening granlly over time. What happened in the last couple of days that made the u. S. Government, the president start threatening war in the most bellicose terms as possible against north korea. North koreas last missile test was two weeks ago. Why did we start threatening nuclear war against them then . Why did it start this week . The reason it appears to have started this week is because of this article from the Washington Post on tuesday, that article described a confidential assessment by one u. S. Intelligence agency, which reportedly concluded that north korea had miniaturized a Nuclear Device and could now put one on a missile. That Washington Post story came out on tuesday. Since then the president has been making the over the top bellicose overt threats against north korea. But the basis of that Washington Post report, whatever the intel was that was the basis for the Washington Post tostory, it has not come to light. We had vague assurances from the director of intelligence and from the cia that there may be a vague agreement within the Intelligence Community on this issue, but theres been no publication of any findings. Theres been no formal assessment that we know has been made of these matters. We certainly dont know of anyone thats been made public. We havent heard of one being provided in a classified setting. No other intelligence agencies other than the one, the Defense Intelligence agency, the dia, has apparently done a report on this issue. And so point of order, right. These last three days of literally nuclear brinksmanship, as far as we can tell, the proximate cause of this, what set it off is one newspaper report of a single agencys reported conclusion, which has not been bolstered by other sources, that doesnt reflect any sort of formal stated view of the Intelligence Community. And you know that one agency that supposedly produced this intel that started this whole thing this week . That particular Intelligence Agency has been wrong on this exact subject before. We talked about this on tuesday night. More than four years ago in the spring of 2014 the Defense Intelligence agency came and and said then in 2013 that they believe north korea has successfully miniaturized a Nuclear Weapon so they could put one on top of the missile. Maybe this is the same report they issue every four and a half years assuming that well forget they did it four year es ago and somedy theyll be true. But they have been wrong about this before. The whole world is on edge about this. Its been very scary and distracting to see how the new president and this administration has behaved this week toward north korea since that Washington Post report came out. There is something absolutely new in terms of the way the president , our new president is talking about this issue and the kinds of threats that hes making. But it is not at all clear that something new has happened in north korea that might reasonably justify this major chie change in the behavior of our country. I dont doubt the Washington Posts reporting. As far as im concerned, the Washington Post is one of the great wonders of the world. A National Treasure at a minimum. But i think its worth noting that these overt scary threats of war that were now getting from our own government are based on unconfirmed, uncorroborated, reported conclusions from a single Intelligence Agency that notably and very publicly has been wrong on this exact issue before. And when the Defense Intelligence agency was wrong about this issue in 2014, it didnt end up being a big deal was the Obama Administration didnt take it and run with it saying oh, this one Intelligence Agency says something. Thats a reason to suggest that were going to start world war iii. They reacted to it by saying thats just one agency, not the view of the Intelligence Community. And if you ask us for a unified view from our government, no, we do not believe that is true. This time though its the exact same agency putting out the exact same conclusion again basically on their own and were vk having a completely different response. This time the ratio between the size of the catalyst and the size of the administrations response is a very very very very very large ratio. This existential trade and worry that we have been experiencing, that the world has been experiencing about this stuff between our president and the north korean leadership, the threatened potential start of war, its all based on intel we have never seen that apparently doesnt have any backup from any other intelligence agencies or any other countries. So again, well be talking in detail with somebody who has real earned expertise on the north korea issue later on in the show tonight. But as we continue to watch the threats and the bluster and the chaotic kinetic activity from the this administration on north korea, i think its worth noting that we have no idea where the radical change in maif behavior by our own government is hawk chully based on anything real. Stick a pin in that. Were coming back to that a little later in the show tonight. As we were getting ready to start the show tonight, there was a flurry of news about the russia investigation. Were going to have a special report on tomorrows show about why President Trump at a personal level, why he might be particularly nervous about the turn the Robert Mueller special counsel information seems to be making toward investigating banking and Business Practices and financial transactions. The invest taking that turn, if you were not planning on watching tomorrow nights show because you had a hot friday night date or something, heres that fair warning that maybe youre going to be washing your hair instead. Make it a saturday night date. I will write you a note. Were going to have the special report tomorrow basically on why there is a big uhoh for the president himself with things turning towards finances. Today, of course, bloomberg reported that the special counsel headed by Robert Mueller, that investigation is absolutely going down the financial and banking path when it comes specifically to Trumps Campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Quoting from the bloomberg report, muellers team of investigators has sent subpoenas in recent weeks from a washington grand jury to global banks for account information and records of transactions involving manafort and some of his companies. Were going to be talking with greg ferrell, one of the Investigative Reporters from bloomberg who broke that story today about what those subpoenas mean and what Paul Manaforts options may be in terms of responding to those or not. The pressure on Paul Manafort right now we know must be intense. Last night politico. Com reported that the Mueller Investigation was squeezing one of Paul Manaforts family members, his soninlaw with an eye toward getting his soninlaw to become a cooperating witness against his fatherinlaw, Paul Manafort. His soninlaw as in fact met with federal prosecutors on these issues and that comes on the heels of news first broken by the Washington Post that the fbi launched a predawn raid at Paul Manaforts home in west virginia. The president himself was asked about that fbi raid today and he gave a response that not even within hours, within minutes started to factually fall apart. Mr. President , was it appropriate for the fbi to raid the moment home of Paul Manafort predawn . I thought it was a very very strong signal or whatever. I know mr. Manafort i havent spoken to him in a long time but i know him. He was with the campaign for a very short period of time. But ive always known him to be a good man. I thought it was a very, you know, they do that very seldom. So i was surprised to see it. I was very very surprised to see it. Have you spoken to we havent really been involved. We havent really been involved. The president kind of minimizing the role of his Campaign Chairman in the campaign saying, yeah, you know, very a short period of time he was running my campaign. And then saying about this raid, oh, you know, we havent really been involved. The president made those remarks today in the 4 00 eastern time. At 5 03 eastern time he was proved very dramatically wrong in that assertion. At 5 03, the wall street journal published this story, trump attorney calls fbis raid on manaforts home a gross abuse. While the president was declaring that we have no involvement whatsoever in whatever is going on with Paul Manafort and this fbi raid. While the president was declaring that, the wall street journal was busy uploading this story, letting the cat out of the bag that despite what the president was saying about we have no involvement in this, in fact the president s lawyer, a man who is apparently serving as his lead attorney on russia matters, john dowd, hes absolutely involved in Paul Manafort and specifically on that question of the fbi raid, that was carried out in conjunction with bob muellers investigation. Apparently at 3 48 in the morning this morning the president s lawyer, john dowd, was up and sending misspelled emails to the wall street journal ripping that fbi raid, ripping bob mueller and making all sorts of legal allegations and legal threats about the Mueller Investigation and the fbis treatment of Paul Manafort. Quote, this extraordinary invasive tool was employed for its shock value to try to intimidate mr. Manafort and bring him to his needs. According to the wall street journa journal, the president s attorney then said that the raid on manaforts home was extraordinarily invasive and a gross abuse. He ahedlleged that the fbi seiz confidential material prepared by mr. Manafort by his counsel to aid in his cooperation. The president s lawyer said quote these failures by special counsel to exhaust less intrusive methods is a fatal flaw in the warrant process, would call for a motion to suppress the fruits of the search. So this is not Paul Manaforts lawyer sending these complaints. This is the president s lawyer. This is President Trumps personal lawyer threatening his motion suppress the fruits of the raid on Paul Manaforts house, sending that email just before 4 00 in the morning this morning warning about Paul Manafort being right to his needs. You know, its whatever you make about the truthfulness of statements here, this is bad strategy by the president and his legal team. You shouldnt have the president making a manifestly different representation of this. Paul manafort is now who the president is calling mr. Manafort saying, yeah, i think i remember him, claiming he was only involved in the campaign for a short period of time, trying to distance him from manafort saying we have no involvement in these legal troubles with the special counsel and this legal fbi raid. We know that is not true because the president s lawyer proves it not to be true. So the president s lawyer and the president being on completely different pages on this basic issue is a bad sign in terms of what kind of presentation the president is getting in terms of his legal representation on this very serious issue. Why is the president s lawyer weighing in on Paul Manaforts behalf like this in this angry email to the wall street journal. Paul manafort is not his client. That too is a question about the quality of the president s legal representation. Its also an interesting question about Paul Manaforts legal representation which frankly has always had something a little hinky about it. I dont want to make too big of a deal about this but i got to tell you, we saw this coming and now it has fallen apart. In the middle of last month you might remember a story that we did about this law firm, wilmer hea hale. One of its highest Profile Partners was Robert Mueller. Robert mueller left wilmer hale, cashed in his partnership there in order to take his job as special counsel. And wilmer hale has gotten itself into a little bit of a quandary around the russia investigation because theres bob mueller having just left as a named partner of the firm to be the special counsel on russia while one of wilmer hales other high Profile Partners, another high ranking government official, is a lawyer named jay my gore relic. Hes been the lead lawyer for Jared Kushner, including the russia information. Bob mueller quit his role at that firm in order to become special counsel but thats a dicey issue for wilmer hale. Is it okay if youre a big law firm to have your highest profile partner, your highest profile former partner working on opposite sides of a major case like this. Thats a dicey issue. An arguably issue in terms of the legal ethics of that and the practicalities of that. So we did a story about this last month. In the middle of last month. In fact jamie ga relic had to step aside as Jared Kushners lead counsel on matters related to the russia investigation. She continues to represent him on other things. But when it comes to russia, that conflict with her law firm, she had to step aside, let somebody else take other russia issues for Jared Kushner. And the whole reason we brought it up last month, i remember saying on the air, im going to figure this out. This makes no sense. The whole reason that has stuck in my crawl and the reason we brought that up on the show is because that problem being settled around Jared Kushners legal representation raised a really big question for paul manafo manafort. Because Jared Kushner lost his main russia lawyer last month because of that conflict because she worked at bob muellers old law firm. That was seen as a conflict. You know who else worked at bob muellers old law firm . Paul manaforts lawyer. So why did jared have to lose his russia lawyer because that lawyer worked at wilmer hale but Paul Manafort got to keep his russia lawyer who also worked at wilmer hale. It never made any sense. Im going to figure this out. Today we figured it out. Today those pieces all either fell into place or fell apart, depending on how you look at it. We started to get reports earlier this evening that Paul Manaforts legal representation was getting a big shakeup. We actually called Paul Manaforts attorney at wilmer hale to ask if those reports we were hearing were true. He hung up on us. And then within about an hour it was official. Paul manafort has now dropped his lawyer on the russia investigation. Reg brown at wilmer hale will no longer be representing Paul Manafort on russia. Instead Paul Manafort has a new legal team representing him on russia. One of his lead lawyers has a resume and a list of areas of expertise that gives you a very very clear indication of what manafort thinks his representation needs are right now. Mon that forts legal team will be led by an attorney who spent years as a person named kevin downing. Years as a prosecutor in the tax division at the Justice Department. Look at the hisself of the areas of practices. Areas of practice include the foreign corrupt practices act, tax fraud, violation of the bank secrecy act, mortgage fraud, tax shelter litigation, illegal cross border banking and congressional investigations. Its like if you created a doll out of spare parts specifically to answer all of manaforts potential legal concerns. And i should mention hes a certified cpa. Paul manaforts new legal team will include one other prominent lawyer. Do you know the name Claire George . Thats not the name but thats an important part of understanding who the lawyer is. Claire is very rarely a mans first name but in this case it is. Claire george is mfamous for a james bond career at the cia. But what hes most famous for is the way his career ended. He became the first ever senior cia official to be convicted for crimes he committed while he was serving at the cia. He was the third ranking official at the cia, director of operations when he was charged with multiple felony accounts. Ultimately he was convicted of perjury and lying to congress. In december 1992. Heres the kind of aha moment about that history and Claire George and whats going on right now. Claire george was convicted in federal court in 1992 on december 9th. His tenure as a convicted felon however lasted only 15 days. Because on december 24th, that same year, 15 days after he was convicted, on christmas eve, then president george h. W. Bush pardoned him. And the lawyer who represented Claire George through that, who saw him through being the highest ranking senior cia official ever convicted of federal crimes for his actions as a cia officer but immediately got him pardoned by the president , that lawyer that saw him through the process is named richard hibee and hes the only tent pole holding up Paul Manaforts legal team. Pardons. The investigator reporter who broke this new news about the kind of legal trouble that Paul Manafort and the trump team is facing, that reporter is going to join us live in the studio next. When this bell rings. It starts a chain reaction. Thats heard throughout the connected business world. At t Network Security helps protect business, from the largest Financial Markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyberattacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. Keeping the world of business connected and protected. Thats the power of and. Page six of your testimony you say, the fist thing you say is he asked what we could do to quote unquote lift the cloud, the general russia investigation and you responded that we were investigation gat investigating the matter as quickly as we could and there would be great benefit if we didnt find anything. He actually went further than that. He said if some of my satellites did something wrong, it would be good to find that out. If some of my satellites did something wrong it would be good to find that out. I wonder who counts as a satellite. I have always found Paul Manafort to be a very decent man. Hes like a lot of other people, probably makes consultant fees from all over the place. I dont know. Thats pretty tough stuff. Mr. President to wake him up. Perhaps his family was there. Thats pretty tough stuff. His consulting fees are probably from all over the place. Who knows. I dont know. Did i mention i barely remember the guy . Yesterday we learned at the drekt of special counsel bob mueller the fbi raided paul manna forths home, seizing tax records and banking records. We dont know exactly what the fbi was looking for at Paul Manaforts house or why they felt like they had to go after anything with a search warrant and armed agents instead of just sending a subpoena. But today at bloomberg news, grel ferrell reported that bob mueller is apparently going after manaforts financial information. They reported today that mueller has subpoenaed multiple global banks to hand over their bank reports on Paul Manafort and his businesses and one of his Business Partners. In addition to those subpoenas, bloomberg also reports that the special counsel has also, quote, reached out to other people, including manaforts own soninlaw and a Business Partner who happens to be a ukrainian oligarch in an apparent attempt to gain information to squeeze manafort to force him to be more helpful to prosecutors. Prosecutors have reached out to nose people. An fbi raid i get. A subpoena i get. What does it look like when a special counsel reaches out to you. I imagine that is like the hands reaching out from under the bed to grab your ankles if you let your feet dangle too far off the mattress. Thats probably just me. Joining me now is greg ferrell. Twhaing y thank you for joining us. My pleasure. Reaching out. You report on the subpoenas to global banks. I want to ask you about detail in just a moment. What does that phrasing mean . They are squeezing manafort. They want the get any information on him. The raid to weeks ago was a show of force. They mean business and they suspect theres something that is actionable there. And they are basically leaving no stone unturned in order to get the message to Paul Manafort that, you know, theyre serious and if theres any skeletons in the closet, even not necessarily related to the campaign and russia last year, they will have them. And therefore it will pressure him to tell whatever he knows. So that means theyre asking for informal theyre asking for interviews with these people is . Asking for people to voluntarily hand things over . Do we know if theyre pursuing Paul ManafortsBusiness Partners and for example his soninlaw by subpoenaing them, putting them under legal pressure . At first its a request. Do you want to play ball. Well see where it leads. Let me ask you about the global banks subpoenas that you asked for. You reported that these subpoenas are demanding account information and financial transaction records that involve manafort and his businesses. Do banks have to respond to those subpoenas . There are Bank Secrecy Laws that might shield them. Yes. But the laws only go so far. In f the Justice Department or a branch of the Justice Department issues a subpoena, the bank can disclose information that is normally kept secret. The fact that they asked for this information and the information of one of his partners, rick cates was significant because he and gates did a lot of business overseas, gates spent a lot of time overseas. There were lots of transactions back and forth and obviously think suspect theres something wor worth finding there. And the rules that govern the criminal liability around overseaings banking has a lot to do with disclosure. Americans are legally obligated to disclose the holding of Foreign Bank Accounts. Yes. And so that any evidence they can find from foreign banks that Paul Manafort hypothetically held Foreign Bank Accounts and didnt disclose them to american tax authorities, American Banking authorities, that could potentially be criminal leverage . At least leverage. Theyre supposed to disclose that, absolutely. From your reporting on this and correct me if im completely off base with this question. Are you able to discern anything about the kind of Legal Defense and legal representation that Paul Manafort has been getting here . We saw these dramatic changes today in his legal representation. Theres interesting questions as to why the fbi went in and raided his house and whether that followed subpoenas for documents they had trouble getting, why it rose to that level. Are you able to discern anything about how well matched the two sides are of this legal fight between muellers office and manafort . No. Right now muellers operation has been a black box. A lot of us, including the Washington Post are getting this from other areas. We dont know exactly what theyve got but were trying to piece it together by the actions theyre taking and especially something overt like that. So were trying to figure this out as well. Okay. And last question. Am i right to surmise that some of the reason this might be moving fast and we can see all of the moving parts related to manafort is that some of this investigation might have actually preceded when bob mueller came om an and started special investigation . Yes. There are reports of an investigation ahead of manafort. Manafort has been look the at here in manhattan and there are lots of allegations against him. And the ukrainian oligarch and other individuals involving transferring of funds and whether or not something was actually a Real Estate Investment or being used for some other purpose. Theres a lot of material out there in the legal system, allegations that have been raised in civil cases against manafort. And the u. S. Attorney in manhattan, up until mueller came along was pursuing one angle of that. And the lead prosecutor from that office pursuing that went to join muellers team. Yes, the lead corruption guy, yes. Mueller has a lot of people from brooklyn, a lot of people from d. C. And yes the lead prosecutor for public corruption from sdny. Greg ferrell, Investigative Reporter from bloomberg news. Thank you very much. Much more to come tonight. Stay with us. This is joanne. Her long day as a hair stylist starts with shoulder pain when. Hey joanne, want to trade the all day relief of 2 aleve with 6 tylenol . Give up my 2 aleve for 6 tylenol . No thanks. For me. Its aleve. Finding the best hotel price is whoooo. Now a safe bet. Because tripadvisor searches. Over 200 booking sites so you save up to 30 on the. Hotelock it in. Tripadvisor. Restlessness. 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Russia recently kicked out 755 people who were associated with american diplomatic facilities inside russia. 755 people. Today President Trump responded with fury to that action by president vladimir putin. Mr. President , do you have any response to the russian president expelling 755 workers from our embassy . No. I want to thank him because were trying to cut down on payroll and as far as im concerned, im thankful that he let go of a large number of people because now we have a smaller payroll. Theres no real reason for them to go back. So i greatly appreciate the fact that theyve been able to cut our payroll for the United States. Well save a lot of money. Im sorry. I screwed that up. I said that the president responded with fury. I misread that in my notes. What i was supposed to say is his response was furry. Not fury. Like less mad, more cute. I want to thank him for helping us out. Admittedly its hard to know if maybe is president is kidding. Its hard to know whats a joke. On Foreign Policy matters with theoretically one of the ways youre supposed to check to see what the Administration Means is to ask the u. S. State department. For example on this north korea crisis you might ask the u. S. State department, you know, which of the statements made by the president and the administration on this issue is actually operative as u. S. Policy. You might go to the state Department Top officials on the subject and ask them. You might do that if there was anybody there to ask. Senator brian shats today tweeting this. Jobs that have not been filled. No nomination, no nomination, no nomination. That said at lease we have a secretary of state in place. So maybe from him at least we can get an explanation of what the administration really means on this incredibly tense situation. I think americans should sleep well at night. I have in concerns about this particular rhetoric of the last few days. Nobody else works at the state department but at least weve got a secretary of state who undoubtedly can speak for the administration on a serious issue like that. Right . You should listen to the president. The idea that secretary tillerson is going to discuss military matters is simply nonsensical. A white house adviser who nobody really knows what his job is, still, though, works at the white house, saying dont listen to the secretary of state on these issues. That left the state department itself to try to clean it all up. I think that everyone has clearly heard what secretary tillersons forceful comments have been and continue to be on the issue of dprk and other countries as well. And they should be paid attention to. I would think so. Hes a cabinet secretary. Hes fourth in line to the presidency. He carries a big stick. Dr. Gorka is where in that line of succession. I dont work with sebastian gorka. I have known him from a previous life and a previous career but i have not spoken to him about the comments that he made and let me just leave it at that. Okay . Please, im going to leave it at that. Okay. Okay. So that was reassuring. And talk about reassuring, imagine how the people of guam feel. Yesterday secretary of state tillerson was on his way to guam, scheduled to be on the ground there were a refuel when a reporter on board the plane asked him, hey, north korea is threatening to shoot missiles at guam. Did you think about maybe rerouting . Well, look, the north Korean Missile capability can point in many directions. So guam is not the only place that could be under threat. No, i never considered rerouting the trip back. I do not believe there is any eminent threat in my own view. I do not believe there is any eminent threat in my own view, says the secretary of state, following a little more than this hours later by this from the president. He does something in guam, it will be an event the likes of which nobody has seen before, what will happen in north korea. And when you say that, what do you mean . Youll see. Youll see. And hell see. Youll see whenever he does whatever hes going to do to guam. I mean, so, this is funny at one level, right . I mean not funnily ha ha. Funni lny sur rreal. This is ridiculously chaotic from the leader of the free world. Ridiculously chaotic and incoherent. How dangerous is it, though, specifically on this crisis. Tonight we have somebody to talk to who can give us some answers on that front. Were lucky to be joined by somebody who spent years studying exactly this, career intelligence analysis at the c ix ia. Were going to talk with her here live next. But when family members forget, trust angies list to help. [ barks ] visit angieslist. Com today. Theres nothing more important so when i need to book a hotel, i want someone who makes it easy. Booking. Com gets it. 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Just ask your doctor about taltz. Sue me terry is seen are Research Scholar at the east asian institute. A career Intelligence Office per. Served in if office of national intelligence, director of korea, japan and oceanic affairs. For years a Senior Analyst at the cia and a senior linguist at the ci action. Dr. Terry joins us tonight for the interview because she is the person i want to talk to. Thanks for having me on again. I appreciate your tile. Let me ask about a concern that i raised at the top of the show tonight that i am totally willing and able to hear you tell me im completely off base about. I feel like weve seen a radical change in behavior from our own president in the last 72 hours that appearsed to be based on the Washington Post report that came out on tuesday citing a Defense Intelligence agency finding which we have not seen, which said that the dia believes that north korea can miniaturize a Nuclear Weapon. Dia is the only Intelligence Agency cited as having that finding. They also aid that five years ago when it wasnt true. Other intelligence agencies arent coming out saying weve found that t. Im troubled this is a huge change in american policy based on something that seems very thin and might not be true. Im not sure if theres a huge change in policy. The fact that they can miniaturize Nuclear Weapon, its out there as something they can do, North Koreans can do. That theyre aiming at or that they have already done. We dont know. I have not seen the classified reporting. But they could. So if not now, they will get there very soon. And on a short range or medium range i doubt right new they can put it on intercontinental ballistic missile. That needs to be clear. But the concern is correct in that they will get there, if not now, very soon. When you say they could put it on a short range or medium range missile, i dont know these things, but my understanding is theres one thing to get it down to a specific size but you have to make it incredibly durable to make it last all the way to impact on an intercontinental bl ballistic missile. Thats an order of magnitude different. But right now is it widely believed that they could put it on a short or medium duds it seem conceivable . Its conceivable on a short range ore medium range missile. That means that south korea and japan already under Nuclear Threat. Existing Nuclear Threat from north korea. Yes. So maybe theres a new intelligence find in the United States that they have further miniaturized it ore hardened the device that it could start lipping up their icbm capacity and their Nuclear Capacity but thats a marginal increase in their abilities. I dont understand all of the hysteria because the fact is they probably already have they have Nuclear Weapons that can target south korea and japan. Okay. When you see the president and the secretary of state and white house advisers and the secretary of desense and all of these different people saying very Different Things in terms of what they expect in terms of north korean behave your. Its sort of comedic. Is it dangerous . Very dangerous. I sense policy dysfunction coming out of the President Trump administration. Crisis like this, you need to seen a clear unified message. And owl of these competing, conflicting and confusing messages is going to make the crisis worse. Why does it make it worse . Its going to lead to miscalculation and misunderstanding by the north korean leader. Imagine if kim jongun think theres an attack coming his way and there isnt. This heighteni ins a conflict. How well do they understand american politics . We can barely understand whats going on. How can understand whats going on . By the way, you know, senator graham recently said something about, you know, how mr. Trump told him that maybe if thousands are going to die, thousands are going to die over there and not over here. This is deeply troubling because what is it saying . Are South Koreans lives and japanese lives expendable . By the way, we do have 300,000 americans living in south korea and japan. Dr. Terry, thank you so much for being here. I feel like i asked you to come in always on very, very bad days. But thank you for helping us understand. I really appreciate it. All right. Well be right back. Stay with us. Whats with him . Hes happy. Your familys finally eating vegetables thanks to our birds eye voila skillet meals. And they only take 15 minutes to make. Ahh birds eye voila so veggie good we have an update for a strange story we covered last night that has gotten weirder today. Cbs news radio broke this alarming story yesterday morning about u. S. Diplomats in cuba starting to experience strange unspoken symptoms that were so bad they forced those diplomats to leave cuba and come home. The state department wouldnt explain it, but then one unnamed source told the a. P. That those americans suffered a possible sonic attack. Sonic. Something that could have caused permanent hearing loss. Well, more information has started to trickle in today. If you were hoping, though, to look to our own government to help us understand whats happening to our diplomats, you would be looking for love in all the wrong places. Do you have any update i know its just recent on the diplomats and the hearing loss issue . I dont have any information on that particular part for you. You mentioned particular medical ailments. That is nothing that i can contirm. Is the u. S. Working with any other country to investigate these incidents . I wont comment on anything related to another country. Are we done with cuba . Okay. Were done with this now. Im done with cuba right now. Ive answered all that i can for you. Hold on. Ive answered all that i can for you on cuba. I know you still have questions. Im not able to provide you all of the answers, okay . Investigation ongoing, period. My favorite part of that is when she says she wont comment on anything related to another country. Youre the spokesperson for the state department. Were done with this now. Investigation ongoing, period. Next. Luckily, canada is turning up some information on this story now even if our own government wont. Canadian media reported today that one of canadas diplomats in cuba fell ill as well and has been treated for headaches and hearing loss, ratising the possibility that if the diplomats were targeted in this way, they werent the only targets. Theres no reporting from the a. P. The a. P. Is now reporting tonight that investigators looking into this arent convinced that it was the cuban government who carried out the supposed sonic attack. Quote, officials familiar with the probe said investigators are looking into the possibilities that the incidents were carried out by a third country such as russia, possibly operating without knowledge of cubas formal chain of command. Even though the attack apparently happened in cuba. Sonic weapons are indeed a thing. There are all sorts of terrifying gadgets and devices that can render a person deaf without making a sound that the human ear can pick up. Scary stuff if you want to keep yourself up all night. If some other country is using weapons like that to target american diplomats, if russia is targeting american citizens with some kind of sonic ray in cuba, thats very strange, something were going to need to know more about. Even with these new details, we dont know what caused it, who was behind it, or how serious it was, the only thing we know is that the state department doesnt want to talk about it. Anything are we done with cuba . Okay. Were done with this now. 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