Every single president and every single Vice President has been audited by the irs every year of their time in office. And they all still routinely release their tax returns to the public every year so that excuse from trump and the Trump Campaign never made sense. Being under audit is excuse for not releasing your tax returns as a candidate or certainly as president. Also, the audit excuse never made sense for his past tax returns. Even if donald trump wanted to release nothing under current audit, well, what about years for which the audits are completed and closed . Any year of his taxes before, say, 2008, any year that was audited before then, those years presumably would be done being audited by now. Those would be closed. So why not release those earlier tax returns even if you dont want to release the current ones for which there isnt an excuse not to do anyway . Whether or not you are a supporter of donald trump in
general, whether or not you care whats in his tax returns, it ought to give you pause that his explanation for why he couldnt release them, why he has to make history by being the first person in decades to hold this Office Without releasing them, it ought to give you pause that his explanations have never made any factual sense. Think about it. The im under audit excuse makes no sense. And if the im under audit excuse doesnt make sense, what does explain why the president hasnt released tax returns . When you get an excuse from them that doesnt make sense, you have to look for another reason. The stated explanation here makes no sense. Whats the reals plan natio s. Well, choose your owned a ventu venture. Heres an example, a home donald trump purchased for 40 million in 2004, less than four years
later a Russian Oligarch paid him almost 100 million for that same house. Could trump tax returns shed light on whether any reasonable outlay of expenses on trumps part might explain why somebody would suddenly want to pay donald trump more than double what he paid for that property after only a few years at a time when Housing Prices were dropping and not rising . If this wasnt just some Russian Oligarch dumping almost 60 million into Donald Trumps pocket for no discernible reason, Couldnt Trump tax returns clear that up . Wouldnt trumps taxes show whatever reasonable real estate inflow and outflow might explain what really does look like a bizarre dump of tens of millions of dollars of russian money into Donald Trumps coffers . Right at a time when donald trump owed tens of millions of dollars to Deutsche Bank and Deutsche Bank was breathing down his neck to get it. That Russian Oligarch who spent that money on that property and never moved into it and
ultimately tore it down, hes also a large shareholder in a bank called the Bank Of Cyprus which has been implicated in russian money laundering. The chairman of the Bank Of Cyprus is the former ceo of Deutsche Bank to which donald trump owed all that money at the time he conveniently got this very large influx of cash from a russian guy. The vice chairman of that bank until recently was our new secretary of commerce, Long Time Trump friend wilbur ross. Couldnt the tax returns sort this out for us . If there are inexplicable dumps of foreign money into the president s coffers, that cannot be explained in normal business terms, thats potentially a huge problem for some servings president of the United States, right . I mean, the interest in trumps tax returns is not a picayune thing, its not a partisan thing. If people, if interests have inexplicably given him a lot of
money in recent years, why did they do it . What do they want for that money now . Is the president in a position where we need to watch to make sure he is not paying off his past benefactors with our countrys resources with u. S. Policy, with decisions he can make as president . Thats part of why we need to see hiss t tax returns. And i raise this issue of the particular Russian Oligarch, dimitry rybolyev, i raise him as an example because we havent had any meaningful Financial Disclosures, any tax returns from the president and because of that this Russian Oligarch is one of the continuing sources of intrigue about whether our president now has foreign ties that could conceivably be motivating his actions as president and i say its ongoing concerns because its ongoing concerns. Not just interesting stuff that happened in his past that we have to worry about in the past. During the president ial
campaign, his private plane was spotted at least twice at local airports when donald Trump Campaign events were happening nearby at least once his plane was spotted alongside Donald Trumps campaign. He insists that is a coincidence but the Palm Beach Post reports this weekend rybolovlevs yacht was parked alongside the yacht owned by robert mercer, the single largest backer of the trump for president effort, the single largest financial backer of breitbart and the person who installed Kellyanne Conway and steve bannon at the top of the Trump Campaign after Paul Manafort was fired for his ties to russia and the campaign. Dimit dimit Dimitry Rybolovlev denies he has anything to do with donald trump or mercer, other than the price he paid for that house. But the people of the United States need to know if you have unexplained sources of income, particularly of income that has a foreign or gin. Hence the need to know. Has he received loans from foreign sources . One of the things you have to declare on your u. S. Federal taxes is whether you have paid taxes in foreign countries. Does the president have Foreign Bank Accounts . If so, which banks . The more i know about the Bank Of Cyprus, for example, the more i want to know about whether there are other ties, other trump ties to that troubled bank aside from his handpicked Commerce Secretary and the guy who inexplicably paid him that money for that house and the newly installed chairman from the bank that holds more of his debt than any financial institution. When the president and his administration moved to fire all of the u. S. Attorneys all of a
sudden on friday no warning get out, youre done by midnight, the Preet Bharara firing in new york was of note and particular concern because President Trump and Attorney GeneralJeff Sessions had both previously told Preet Bharara he could hold that job. They did a uturn on that, which is strange because of baoffice. His office is looking at a case with Deutsche Bank. The office has jurisdiction over trump tower and the trorgump organization. Ethics watchdogs wrote to Preet Bharara to see if he was seiffiseiff i sevening money through his business. If he is, that would be unconstitutional. Two days after receiving that letter from those Ethics Watchdogs groups asking him to look into that possibility,
Preet Bharara was told to resign. When he refused, he was fired. These are the reasons people want to see his tax returns. What is his relationship with Deutsche Bank . What is his relationship with foreign sources of income. Is he receiving any money through his business from foreign sources . Is he receiving any money through his business or through any of his real estate deals that can be traced back to foreign governments . I mean, his tax returns should show any income he has received from investment partnerships, this strangeshaped building was a Trump Project in azerbaijan where the Trump Organization partnered with Family Members of a notoriously corrupt azerbaijani Government Official who also has had Business Ties to the Iranian Revolutionary guard. The president s tax returns are of interest because if he has received income from foreign sources, as he did in that
azerbaijan deal, the origin of that income may have National Security implications. If by any chance it follows those same contours back to the Iranian Revolutionary guard, which is a sanctioned organization in this country because of its links to global terrorism. The Unanswered Questions around Michael Flynn, the fired former National Security adviser, he last week retroactively registered as a foreign agent. He declared retroactively that he worked during the campaign and during the transition as a lobbyist for the interests of the government of turkey. We still dont understand why the Trump Administration hired him to be National Security adviser after they were advised that he was working for a foreign power. We still do not understand their Cage Yness Around Flynn and his firing. The white house said they fired flynn because he lied to the Vice President but they didnt fire him until almost three weeks after they learned about
those lies. We still have no idea why the Vice President says he was completely unaware that flynn was on the turkish government payroll. Because he, as head of the transition, was repeatedly notified about it, including by flynns own lawyers, so why would he say now that he had no idea, hed never heard of it until this past week . What explains the Trump Administrations cageyness around Michael Flynn and specifically around Michael Flynns financial ties to turkey . Well, you know what . It would be helpful to see the tax returns. I mean, what kind of income as Trump Towers Istanbul provided to President Trump through his business . Is any of that income for the president from the turkish government . Did turkey have a financial relationship with the president . Do they continue to have a financial relationship with the president . Is there anything about the president s financial and business entanglements that is potentially driving president ial actions around the issue of turkey, the unexplained
questions and cageyness that is yet to be explained around the issue of Michael Flynn and his firing there are definite ly personalitydriven and petty reasons to seek the president s tax returns. Is he not as rich as he says he is . Is he not as charitable as he says he is . Was he, in fact, under audit when he was using that as an excuse to not release his tax returns . Was that worse than just a bad excuse . Was he really being audited . Theres small reasons to be interested, right . But whether its for small reasons or big reasons, there has been an unrelenting demand for people to see his tax returns. More than a Million People have signed a petition demanding he release his tax returns. In 19 states, legislation has been filed that would keep him off the ballot in 2020 unless he releases his tax returns before the reelection campaign. On tax day this year, next month
in chicago, activists are raising money right now to fly a 16foot Inflatable Chicken with trumps hairdo over their Tax Day Protest as a Helium Balloon demanding the president stop being so chicken about releasing his tax returns. Literally today in missouri these protesters were outside senator Roy Blunts Office demanding that the president release his tax returns. That sign in the front there says is your refund listed in u. S. Dollars or rubles . Theres a reason people want to see his tax returns. Theres a reason there are decades of precedent for president ial candidates all releasing them. There is genuine curiosity as to whether they will bear out what he has said about himself in terms of his income. Honestly, theres genuine concern as to whether he will pursue tax policies that are designed to benefit himself and his family which we wont know about until weve seen his tax returns. Therare also concerns just
about bookkeeping. Theres reason for concern about his fec Financial Disclosure form, which is all we have about him, there are indications in the paperwork that he may have given wildly inflated valuations of the worth of his Golf Course Properties abroad. When you compare what he said in the fec document versus tax filings he made on his properties in the uk where he declared them all as losing money. Incidentally, lying to the fec is a crime for which you can go to prison for five years. But concerns about whether he might have lied or misrepresented his own financial circumstance during the campaign, concerns about whether or not he might have misstated things to the fec with all of that there looms over all of this the big National Security worry, right . The big almost existential worry, the greatest concern, the
worry that this president may be financially beholden to an individual, to an institution, to a country. And now that hes president , we wont know if he tries to use the resources and power of our country to pay off that entity to whom he is beholden. We cant know any of that without getting his tax returns. Thats why president s release their tax returns. Thats why there will continue to be unrelenting pressure to find Donald Trumps tax returns, to expose Donald Trumps tax returns and that pressure will remain every single day he remains as president unless and until he releases them, the pressure will never let up. And thats why somebody has decided to leak a portion of his 2005 tax return which is how and why we got it tonight and im
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financial reporter who found the president s 2005 returns in his mailbox. Thank you for being here. Delighted . Congratulations on this scoop. What can you tell us about how you got these pages . Came over the mail over the transom and there is nothing improper about journalists if you havent solicited something, getting it over the transom. And let me point out its entirely possible donald sent this to me. Donald trump has over the years leaked things. The very sleazy girlongirl pictures of the first lady in the New York Post may have come from donald. The front pages of the state tax returns we had that were sent to the New York Times and the New York Daily News last fall may have come from donald. Donald has a long history of Leaking Material about himself when he thinks its in his interests. Do we have reason to believe that those documents you just described there were leaked by him or is it just a possibility . Its a possibility and it could have been leaked by someone at his direction. But with donald, you never know. Donald creates his own reality
and he says things that arent true, he says things and denies he said them. He lives in this world that Isnt The World where you and i live of verifiable facts so, yes, i think i have to include that in the list of possibilities where it came from. When you look at this document, when you look at these numbers, obviously we dont have the supporting schedules and the sort of appendices you get in big tax returns. Do these numbers seem right to you . The white house statement to us is reiterating the 150 million Income Number and the 38 million paid number. Those numbers seem right to you . Yes. And they fit the things we know from other public records about how donald does business. For example, the dividends he gets are primarily not what are called qualified dividends that suggest they come from not Big Companies like exxonmobil but privately held enterprises. They show almost no taxexempt
interest, about 49,000, that would imply at the time maybe 900,000 of municipal bonds. Not much lots of College Professors out there my age who have 900,000 in municipal bonds. Whats most important about this tax return, though, rachel, is that under the regular tax system we have two tax systems, welltodo people, you and i file calculate our tax twice, the regular tax system and the Alternative Minimum Tax. If we didnt have the Alternative Minimum Tax and donald trump in writing wants to end the Alternative Minimum Tax he would have paid taxes at a lower rate than the bottom half of taxpayers, the the poor in this country who make less than 33,000. Think about that, 153 million almost of income, he would have paid a little over 5 million less than 3. 5 , less than the half of taxpayers who make under 33,000. As it is, because of the
Alternative Minimum Tax he paid 36. 5 million, not the 38 the white house statement says. Theyre counting his selfemployment tax which is payroll taxes. 36. 5 million, he paid 24 . You know who pays 24 in this country . Married couples with two incomes like my wife and i who make around 400,000 a year. Donald trump and his wife that year made 418,000 a day. And the point of this is the top in this country, people at the top are not burdened the way we suggest. I was in let me stop you and restate some of that back to you because youre a tax expert and those of us who just pay taxes and arent experts, i want to say back to them and see if i get it right. If there werent the Alternative Minimum Tax you can tell from this 1040, from his tax return in 2005, if there werent an Alternative Minimum Tax hed be paying what percent . Its rht on line 44, he
woulhave paid 5. 3 million, which is24 of his 152. 7 million of positive income. Thats in large part because he was able to say he had negative income of 103 million. So because he because there is an Alternative Minimum Tax they disregarded most of the negative income, he had to pay more in taxes but he still got a benefit. You know why . Because at the top people are supposed to be paying 35 that year, 39. 6 this year. But if youre in the Alternative Minimum Tax you only pay 28 . Thats a 20 discount on your taxes. Would you like a 20 discount on your taxes . Thats what donald trump got here. So the issue that i mean i tried to lay out at the top of the show reasons why people are so interested in his tax returns. The white house has made this issue saying its only reporters who care, People Dont Care, this was litigated in the election when he didnt release his tax returns and people voted
for him anyway. There are a number of reasons to be interested in his tax returns and a number of reasons why people continue to be. And most importantly what we dont have here which is this describes the types of income but not the sources. Okay. Thats what we need to know. Who is the president getting money from . Well, we need to know, a, sources of his income, whether or not hes beholden to somebody. We also need to know whether all the things he said about himself and his wealth and his charitableness and all those things are true but we also need to know if he is goi to take actions as president inerms of tax policy that are going to benefit him. Or benefit his benefactors. Yes. Yes. This is a very complicated tangled issue. Heres a simple question to ask. Every other president has released his tax returns. We have Hillary Clinton and bill clintons tax returns back to the 1970s. Why is it that donald trump is so insistent that were not to see his tax returns. There must be something heidting in his returns. Ive been at this for 50 years, i started as a teenager doing investigative reporting. Every time some highlevel politician wants to hide something, it turns out theres a reason theyve got something to hide. Theres lots of things we can think of that donald trump has to hide, including sources of income and his connections to the Russian Oligarchs who are essentially, rachel, a statesponsored network of international criminals. And youve got to think about them that way and understand thats their position in the world and donald trump really is disinterpret that we dont see where his money comes from. And this is a man who we know was very deeply involved with one of the biggest Drug Kingpins in america, in the 1980s. He risked his Casino License to show his loyalty to that man. He did business with the biggest mobsters in new york. For years he traveled with the son of the head of the reputed russian mob boss, himself a twice convicted felon, he said i wouldnt know if he was in the room even though they were together all the time traveling. And many other criminals. He has associated with them throughout his life. So its particularly relevant for us to say where did you get the money . David cay johnston is the editor and founder of dcreport. Org. He obtained the 2005 donald trump tax return. Can you stay with us . Sure. Were going to bring chris hays into the discussion and i want to get back to the issue about the sources of trumps Moneand Th Sourceof this document tonight. We have published this 2005 tax return from the president on maddowblog. Com. Weve lived to David Cay Johnstons extensive reporting on this on dcreport. Org. David is back with us in a moment. Stay with us. Ooohh aaaahh uh hooooly mackerel. Wow. Nice. Strength and style. Its truck month. Get 0 financing for 60 months plus find your tag and get 5500 on select Chevy Silverado pickups when you finance with gm financial. Find new roads at your local chevy dealer. Hey, need fast try cool mint zantac. It releases a Cooling Sensation in your mouth and throat. Zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. Nexium can take 24 hours. Try cool mint zantac. No pill relieves heartburn faster. Itbut one i think with quesa simple answer. We have this need to peek over our neighbors fence. And once we do, we see wonder waiting. Every step you take, narrows the influence of narrow minds. Bridges continents and brings this world one step closer. So, the question you asked me. What is the key . Its you. Everything in one place, so you can travel the world better. This is republican congressman steve knight. Mr. Knight has represented Californias 25th District since 2015. Heres Congressman Knight addressing his constituents at a town hall just over a week ago. I believe that President Trump should release his tax returns. [ cheers and applause ] i believe President Trump should release his tax returns. Crowd goes wild. Is you can see Congressman Knights constituents very happy with that answer. Americans overwhelmingly tell pollsters now that President Trump should release his tax returns. I should mention, though, three days after congressman steve knight said that to his constituents at that town hall in his home district, three days after that he voted against forcing donald trump to release his taxes. Congressman knight was one of 226 House Republicans who voted in favor of keeping trumps taxes under wraps. The only republican to vote in favor of the public seeing
Donald Trumps tax records is this guy, walter jones of north carolina, hes the only one, the only republican for what its worth. Congressman mark sanford of south carolina, he had the courage to vote present in that vote. Courage. Over in the senate, there have been democratic attempts to get President Trumps tax returns released through a vote in the senate but republicans have blocked those from even coming up for a vote. Bottom line, though, tonight, weve got them, at least weve got two pages of them from an anonymous source through David Cay Johnston at dcreport. Org. David joins us now along with chris hayes host of all in. Thank you both for being here. David, let me ask you, in terms of what you were jt describing a moment ago about the most important thing we could learn om President Trumps tax returns, the sources of his income over the years, obviouslily you got this 1040 leaked to you, weve had a few other individual pages of state
tax returns that have been seen, sent to the New York Times, you reviewed some of that for your earlier reporting on donald trump. What would we have to see . What would we hope to get in the mail if we were going to get to the meat of Donald Trumps potential foreign financial ties. You want to see the sources of income which will be shown in his business returns. He has over 500 business entities. You want to know who the partners are in those entities and what they show about the income. You want to show the interest hes paying and fees hes paying to other people to know who hes paying. Weve talked about the income he has taking in, but what about people hes saying . And you only pay interest to people to whom you owe money. And whos one of the biggest places he owes money to . The communist government of chinas bank of china, which is also the single biggest tenant in trump tower. I grew up in the cold war. The thought that republicans would defend the president who has been involved for 30 years with the russians, not russia,
russians, who are around putin and would be Borrowing Money from beijing all of which we knew before we got this tax return. Chris hayes, looking at this and considering the scope of this, whats your reaction . Two things come to mind. Someone that disclosure theres an idea they have something to hide because theyre acting like they have something to hide. Its possible disclosure could benefit them this way one. There was speculation after we got the state taxes in 95 from the New York Times that the magnitude of the write down could have prvented paying taxes for 18 years. Explain that. The 1995 taxes ow an enormous loss. That loss was able to be carried forward year after year. He took almost A Billion Dollars for a real estate loss. A loss he shouldnt have been able to take. He bought a tax shelter republicans in congress, as soon as they learned about it they shut down so there was double deduction and he got the benefits. But by taking that 900
million, that set him up to essentially stack that up against income income tax he might have to pay for the next 18 years and it would cancel out any income tax he had to pay. There was speculation he had paid nothing for 18 years. Well, we have this, he paid something he encouraged that speculation. When Hillary Clinton said youre not paying taxes, he said because im smart. Which is it . You did pay taxes and youre tricking us or youre not paying taxes . Now we know, he paid over 20 taxes. Thats right. We should note this is a man who has a fortune. The u. S. Has never elected someone from private office and who would stand to benefit or lose from changes to the tax code he himself was pushing, for instance the current plan that is being floated would eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax which is responsible for him paying a whopping amount of money here so thats another reason for disclosure and the third thing i keep coming to is they are going to april 15 is
coming up. Were going to file our taxes, some people will file extensions. I presume the white house will file an extension and the reason i think they will is because they cannot use the Audit Argument with taxes theyre filing now. I can guarantee you one year of Donald Trumps taxes that are not under audit. They are the one he is would file this year. Neck not be under audit the ones he filed last year arent under audit either. So that argument gets thinner and thinner and thinner and he is now reaching the frontier. The story here to me is that, a, we have obtained this, b, that this stuff is obtainable there has been interesting reporting that if you work at the irs it is not likely you would be able to see the president s tax returns are put in a special vault in the commissioners office. Really . And if you work at the irs and call up Rachel Maddows tax returns, an inspector will be at your desk. Weve seen the cia hacked. Ill be very shocked if we see the irs hacked. They have better system. And knowing the security with which these things are treated, donald trump has been an adult and filing taxes for a very long time and when you file fo a mortgage, when you file to apply to Different Things you have to show lots of tax returns. Versions of his tax returns have ended up all over the place, whether its Casino License applications, personal applications and somebody wanted this to be known. I believe this will not be the end of that. Sit right there, well be right back. Tonight we have posted Donald Trumps 2005 federal tax return. David cay johnston of dcreport. Org is the man who obtained this. He stay with us as does chris hayes. Well be joined by Michael Besh Los loss to talk about the historically unprecedented nature of this. Stay with us. Search for our page, i use whats already inside me to reach my goals. So i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating whats within me with onceweekly trulicity. Trulicity is not insulin. It helps activate my body to do what its supposed to do release its own insulin. Trulicity responds when my blood sugar rises. I take it once a week, and it works 24 7. It comes in an easytouse pen. And i may even lose a little weight. Trulicity is a onceweekly injectable Prescription Medicine to improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. Trulicity is not insulin. It should not be the first medicine to treat diabetes, or for people with Type 1 Diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. Do not take trulicity if you or a Family Member has had medullary thyroid cancer, if youve had multiple Endocrine Neoplasia Syndrome type 2,
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the president s tax returns and as youve said since the time of jimmy carter every single president has released his tax returns every single year and theres a reason for that. The reason is so that you dont have a lot of mystery about possible sources and possible conflicts of interest. In Donald Trumps case, it makes you wonder whether its worth it to him to have not released his tax returns given the kind of mystery were seeing culminate tonight and a lot of interest in these tax returns youve got. Michael, one of the issues that trump himself has raised when he has been repeatedly and repeatedly and repeatedly asked about his tax returns. Number one, hes said People Dont Care about it, only reporters care about it. Thats not borne out by the polling data and the persistent activism around this issue. The other issue hes raised is, yeah, yeah, its been a tradition since nixon but it wasnt before then and i want to go back to what it was like before nixon. Was there controversy around president ial taxes, around questions of selfdealing and president ial Financial Disclosure before nixon that we should see as materially informing these kinds of see it informing these kinds of decisions kobe bryant. And those scandals and not the president and people around him were wheeling and dealing and some of them got into big legal trouble over that. In dond trumps case, we got something unusual and you and i said many times before, first president who never had military or government experience, this is someone whose career in rece recent years have been opaque. We have House Commission thats going to be opening soon. Time is interesting as well. Michael beschlosh is joining us on short notice tonight. Thank you for your time. Thank you, rachel. Super interesting. Chris hayes to your last point of the house of Intelligence Committee looking of potential russia ties, obviously, the big unanswered question in those investigation, did the Trump Campaign collude . Yep. Did they do along with it . Did they know what russia was doing and helped them . We need to worry about in terms of our own Going National securities. Do tax returns become apart of that investigation for that reason . They could be. The Point Roigtight out noti what we are watching of this escalation slowly and particularly Lyndsey Graham in the senate generally. Richard burr and nunez have been slitt solicited. The congress have tremendous power to compel them. If those committees wanted to get to the bottom of this, they could have a fight over that. Is it the right thing for them to go for . Yes, absolutely. In the case of donald trump, we have to ask that and we have to know whether he has divide with loyalties to a form of government or governments. We should not be doing this in the Intelligence Committees. There should be a select bipartisa bipartisa bipartisan. Do it in the open and tell people whats there and get everyone of those tax returns going back to the 1970s. David cay johnson, and hes
the guy who got Donald Trumps 2005 tax returns and allow them to preview them exclusively tonight. Thank you, david cay johnson. Our website is crashed. Tomorrow it will be backup. You can see this online. We crashed our own website, too. Come back, set a bookmark. Well be right back. This is not a screensaver. This is the destruction of a cancer cell by the bodys own immune system, thanks to medicine that didnt exist until now. And today can save your life. Tonight we are breaking news. We have published Donald Trumps tax returns from 2005. It is two pages. It is 1040 form from his federal tax returns that year. Joining us now is Halie Jackson, halie, it is great to have you with us. I know you are only able to join us by phone. How hard have they fought from stopping Something Like this . Well, what i can tell you, rachel, you have these statements on the show from the white house about this confirming some of the numbers in that tax returns. I can speak to what the president or a candidate have been pressed on on the Campaign Trail again during his transition and his team has been asked about this as well after the inauguration which is when will the president release his tax returns and is that going to happen . You know there is a line from the president thats consistently been that he has not released his return that hes under audit. After the naug rinauguration, n Kellyanne Conway seems to say that people did not care. The president himself was asked about this. We asked him about this of his First Press Conference in january about whether he will release it and why would he and he said americans dont care. We asked sean spicer about it last week, the Press Secretary whether the president is still under audit and will he commit in releasing his 2016 tax returns when those are completed. The Press Secretary, he knows the president is still under audit and nothing has changed. He will follow up whether the president will release the 2016 return. I am told by white house officials today that they have not made an announcement on that. Still questions remaining about
this. The president is a candidate that was not consistent of his reasoning and we have seen no change from the white house. Correspondent Halie Jackson is joining us tonight. Thank you very much. This was a little bit of a crazy night. Tonight, thank you to our journalist, david cay johnson. The world is getting the first look of Donald Trumps tax returns. This is from the year 2005. This is a matter of trivia, this is the year that he got married to his current wife, melania. And shes listed on here. It is a joint file for the two of them. You can see the president reported more than 150 million of income that year. David cay johnson got this tax return in his mailbox. The white house confirmed that this return isra real and they threatened us that it is illegal