In 1972 turning the grounds that once delighted so many family members into a vacation and meeting retreat for Russian Diplomats stationed in the u. S. On 50 acres by the corsica and chester rivers, that facility is private and ornate with teak floors, oriental carpets, crystal chandeliers, this is according to Washington Life magazine, plus a full library, lovely staircase, views of the river, a tennis court, if you worked in the kremlin in the 1970s getting assigned to the u. S. Was for top diplomats or anyone the soviet union wanted the u. S. To think was a diplomat. It bought a similar facit in long island, 14 acs. Both compounds host those russians are assignment until today. Because president obama shut down both compounds as part of his new sanctions against russia for interfering in the u. S. Election. And starting at noon tomorrow, the Obama Administration is physically barring any of those russians from accessing the compounds. The state department saying they were used by, quote, russian personnel for intelligencerelated purposes. So maybe something more than diplomacy. Now, Cyber Espionage is by definition a virtual activity. Its hard to pinpoint. It can feel kind of ephemeral. But president obamas actions today are not. Theyre physical steps, brick and mortar, if you want, starting with the compounds, but not ending there. President obama also ordered the immediate expulsion of 35 suspected russian spies. He imposed sanctions on two leading russian intelligence agencies including four top officers in a Russian Military intelligence unit. He levied sanction against two suspected hackers who are on that fbi wanted list. The last time the u. S. Government took these kind of significant actions against russia was three months into the george w. Bush administration. President bush speaking out trying to keep u. S. russian relations on an even keel after kicking out nearly 50 Russian Diplomats suspected of undercover intelligence activities of some sort. And then as now catching russia in the act led the u. S. To act. The russian strikeback surprisingly fast, strongly protesting to the American Ambassador today and theyll kick out the same number of americans from the u. S. Embassy there. Retaliation for ordering four employees of the u. S. Out of russia in ten days. All of them expected to act as contacts of Robert Hanson accused of spying for russia. Now, in that instance, bush gave the russians several months to leave. Obamas giving them three days. Now, russian president Vladimir Putin spokesman is saying theyll develop their response to the sanctions and it will mirror the u. S. Response and make the u. S. Side feel very uncomfortable as well. The fbi and the department of Homeland Security also today releasing a 13page report with documentation on what they call proof on how the russians tried to influence the election with Cyber Espionage. The report now public. Anyone can see it. More covert actions could be coming. These are not the sum total of our response to russias aggressive activities. Now, president obama making this sweeping announcement today striking back at russia for trying to meddle in the election and this is, of course, just 21 days before a new president takes office which is probably kind of awkward since president obamas making a huge Foreign Policy decision, but what makes it all the more awkward is president elect trump has basically, as you probably know bhi now, repeatedly denied any russian involvement here. I dont think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. Maybe it was. It could be russia, but it could be china or somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay . You dont know who broke in to dnc. I notice any time anything wrong happens they like to say the russians are she doesnt know if its the russians doing the hacking. Maybe there is no hacking. But they always blame russia because they think theyre trying to tarnish me with russia. She doesnt know who knows. But if you wanted to be charitable you would say thats the Campaign Talk and campaigns have talk going in both directions. He was running for president. Fine. But heres donald trump this month after being elected president. The cia has concluded that russia intervened in the election to help you win the presidency. Your reaction . I think its ridiculous. I think its just another excuse. I dont believe it. I dont know why. And i think its just you know, they talked about all sorts of things. Every week its another excuse. We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College. I guess the final numbers are now at 306 and shes down to a very low number. No, i dont believe that at all. You say you dont know why. Do you think that the cia is trying to overturn the results of the election . To weaken you in office . Well, if you look at the story and you take a look at what they said, theres great confusion. Nobody really knows. And hacking is very interesting. Once they hack, if you dont catch them in the act, you are not going to catch them. They have no idea if its russia or china or somebody. It could be somebody sitting in a bed someplace. They have no idea. It could be somebody sitting in a bed. And then, of course, here he is just yesterday at maralago. What do you think enl,le about sanctions against russia . I think we ought to get on with our lives. The computers have complicated lives very greatly, the whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly whats going on. Nobody really knows whats going on. Now, notice this is a device of Donald Trumps that were probably going to hear a lot. Because if you can maintain doubt about a problems existence, you are under less pressure to solve it. It may not even about a problem. Thats obviously how Climate Change denial work. Now i think just flagging and understanding this trump trick, call it strategic ignorance, if you want, can actually help inoculate against its spreading. It is true that trump does not need to implement any russia policy unt january 20th. His strategic ignorance, though, may reflect the pickle hes in, caught between the cias mounting evidence of russian sabotage and his very warm public embrace with putin. But the Obama Administrations not in that pickle. It released hints, then evidence about russia ap hacks as the evidence accrued it then moved from the evidence to todays consequences. In other words, instead of, hey, nobody really knows, obamas position is we know. Were sharing some of what we know. And we are acting on what we know. So lets maybe keep this contrast in mind. The choice between we know and who knows, and then keep it in mind as you hear what we have tonight, trumps brandnew and pretty curt reaction to the sanctions. Quote, its time for our country to move on to bigger and better things. Nevertheless, in the interests of our country and its great people, i will meet with leaders of the Intelligence Community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation. Trump says he wants the facts of the situation. Facts that are, of course, presumably part of the president ial daily briefs available to any president elect. Joining us now is david sanger, chief washington correspondent for the New York Times. David, thank you for joining us on a busy day. I want to get to thank you. I want to get to some of Donald Trumps posture, but first on the policy substance, where do the administrations moves today rank in your view on what one can do diplomatically . Well, they certainly could have done a lot more. And i think one of the Big Questions is whether they came to this too late, many in the clinton campaign, many of president obamas own aides have said to me privately that they wish that they had taken the same set of actions when they were developing options in augu august, september and october. The president was concerned about election day, trying to affect the actual vote count, that did not happen. But i think there will be a lot people debating whether he waited too long. Then the question is let me ask you that on the timeline. Youre driving to the heart of it. Were todays measures punishment or deterrence or Something Else . Well, i think it was three things, ari. Certainly there was an element of punishment and it had a little bit of this air of the old cold war, we throw out 35, tomorrow theyll throw out roughly the same number. Ignore for a minute the persona non grata, the pngs of the diplomats. The interesting question here is will the sanctions make much difference . I think the answer is more psychological than anything else. These are sanctions against individual members of the gru, the military intelligence unit. They dont travel the United States much they dont keep much money here to begin with. But it may have some good symbolic importance, same thing for the companies. And then the next question, which is is the president doing anything that hes not announcing . And as you suggested from reading the statement, hes left open the possibility of some covert action presumably a cyber action. That will make you feel good and it would be known to president putin and his close aides. Whether it would much deterrent effect on the next country that might do something, the chinese, the iranians, north koreans, who knows who would be interested in this come the next election cycle, thats a more open question. This may be one of the cases where the public deterrence does more than the covert. And then turning to Donald Trumps response, what do you make of this, that he wants a factual briefing next week . Well, thats good. In fact, im a little bit surprised if he hasnt had one already either as a candidate or as president elect. Certainly if you go back to the 2008 election cycle when the chinese went into the both the obama campaigns and the mccain campaigns both of the candidates received pretty full fbi briefings about what the chinese were doing. That was different in nation. It was pure espionage. They werent making this stuff public, the way the russians did here. There is another story here. If we havent learned all of this news on the sanctions today, the big headline would, of course, be the release of more specific evidence of russias involvement in hacking, the information involved in the election. Now heres what Kellyanne Conway who is soon counsel to President Trump had to say just last week. Mr. Trump is still skeptical that the russians are even involved letting aside whether it affected the election or not. You have the cia, the fbi, the director of intelligence, a number of republicans saying its clear that the russians hacked. That as a basic premise is clear. Mr. Trump since late september has said that he doesnt think thats the case. He still says that now. What does he know that all those Intelligence Officers dont know . Wheres the evidence . Lets focus on the issue at hand. If the cia and director brennan and others are serious about turning over evidence to the American People, they should do that and show up when the House Intelligence Committee invites them to brief them. But thats a closed door meeting so not so exciting and tantalizing because then you cant leak it to the media. They should not be leaking to the media. If theres evidence, lets see it. Today we got this, a 13page fbi report on russian malicious cyber activity which fbi and dhs are asserting they do agree with the cia that russia engaged in these attacks and the report provides Technical Details on the tools, the infrastructure used by Russian Military to compromise and exploit networks and the end points that were associated with the election. I want the be clear for anyone keeping track at home. This is not the report from the full investigation that president obama has ordered. We dont know the result of that until probably next year, but it is something real. Fbi and dhs saying heres some of the actual details of what showed them that this was russia behind the hack. So david, i wanted to get you back in on this particular piece. Whats your reaction to that report . Well, frankly, ari, i thought the fbi and dhs could have and should have gone considerably further than what they released today. For those of us who have been following this story for most of the year, there was very little in the fbi report that you could not have gotten from the report turned out by crowd strike and by other private companies that do internet security. Crowd strikes a group that had been brought in by the dnc after their hack. It confirmed the crowd strike conclusions, but it didnt get you where i think the u. S. Government has got to be and let me explain where that is. Theyre telling us they have many forms of evidence that link these hackers to the gru and the fsb, the two main Russian Intelligence Services and then take it the next step to show that they are this whole operation was done with the knowledge and perhaps the direct orders of the kremlin, which is their code word for saying that this came directly from putin. That document that youre showing on the screen does not take you there. To get there, you would need to see evidence from implants that the nsa has with russian networks, intercepts from conversations, from reports of human spies and all kinds of other technical means that they would have there. That always sets up a fight between those who dont want to reveal the sources and methods and those who believe that you need to go out and make the case. And given the import of this and a president coming into, as you pointed out, has been highly skeptical of it, my own view is that theres a greater burden for disclosure here. What youre saying is this next step here in that report gives you a kind of a summary or a flow chart but not the underlying materials that would actually be the dispositive truth. It doesnt tell you more than what the New York Times had about the recent hack. You educate us a lot on, this i appreciate it. The fbis view is there might be a lot of things out there that are true that people are piecing together. What theyre saying matters partly because itses a them, the source that theyre willing to confirm what the government view is, but again not until we get a full report and the full accounts in public are we going to know exactly what links it back to russia. David sanger, chief washington correspondent for the New York Times. Thank you. Thank you, ari. Great the be with you. Ahead something this only happens on this show literally once a year. Esurance does Auto Insurance a smarter way. Like their photo claims tool. It helps settle your claim quickly, which saves time, which saves money. And when they save, you save. Thats auto and Home Insurance for the modern world. Esurance, an allstate company. Click or call. Esurance does insurance a smarter way, which saves money. Like bundling home and auto coverage, which reduces red tape, which saves money. And when they save, you save. Thats home and Auto Insurance for the modern world. Esurance, an allstate company. 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The kremlin saying the russian president broke word of the deal after speaking to syrian president Bashar Al Assad by phone and paves the way to comprehensive talks in russias state of kazakhstan. While some can argue that local players like turkey should be involved than a more distant superpower like the u. S. , you can remember thats an allegation that people in both parties were making while resisting further entanglement in syria, there are political ramifications here. Russia announced it will only welcome the u. S. To their talks after donald trump becomes president and that was before the u. S. Had this afternoons big news, the series of sanctions against russia related to the hacking of the election and announcing the suspension of those 35 intelligence agents which we were just discussing with david sanger. Almost immediately russia vowing to retaliate and pledging to cause that, quote, considerable discomfort in the same areas for the u. S. Also Russias Foreign Ministry spokeswoman calls the white house occupants a group of Foreign Policy losers. Ouch. Because we live in a world where most grave issues are boiled down to internet snark, get this, Russias Embassy london tweeting this attempt at a di t digital smackdown. President obama expels 35 diplomats in cold war deja vu as everybody including the u. S. People will be glad to see the last of this hapless administration, end quote. But picture included, as you can see of a lame duck. Ah, it raises the question, are you any good at diplomacy if you find yourself reaching for animal cartoons to pull off your latest russian burn . Joining us now for a slightly more serious conversation is a Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee, california congressman adam schiff. Good evening. Good evening. I will not ask you to comment in any way on the duck tweet. What i will ask you is to pick up on some of what the New York Times david sanger was saying, many of these moves today are symbolic. Is that your view . Theyre meaningful. Its more than symbolic. Its a serious step to be dispatching 40 russian intelligence agents masquerading as diplomats in facilities of the United States, but nonetheless i would agree that the administrations going to need to do more. I think the congress will need to do more because i dont have that much confidence in the president elect doing anything at all. If were serious about deterring the russians, well have to make them feel some economic pain. There are steps that the administration is taking that its not announcing today. Those are covert steps to basically shoot across the russian bow, let them know that two can play at this game and there are things that we can do to make putins life difficult and that of his cronies and those may have an equally deterrent impact. What is your view of what that should look like . Understandably, its covert, so some of its not going to be discussed. Lets be clear about categories. If the idea is a proportionate response, certainly that wouldnt automatically tampering with their election or the information used in their election and in past administrations and American History, efforts by the cia or others to interfere with other countries elections democratically or otherwise are pretty widely criticized. No, youre absolutely right. No, we dont want to have the same response to what they did to the United States. Theyre doing a pretty good job of dismantling their own democratic institutions. The last thing we would want to do is to help them in any way. Rather, we could take steps to expose, for example, the corruption of both putin personally and a lot of his cronies, the economic theft from the russian people. Thats not something, frankly, that the Incoming Trump administration could easily undo. And thats something that would reflect badly, that would weaken putin. Thats one potential step. There are a number of others that i wont discuss, but theres a wide range of things that i think we ought to undertake that the russians would understand exactly who was doing it and why, but theyre t no things that we necessarily need to broadcast. What is the key evidence that is still left to declassify on this, in your view . Well, heres where i guess i would part company with david and that is that we can make a clear showing of proof to the American People and we should share as much as we can but were not going to burn our sources of information. Were not going to alert the russians to what our technologies are. That would certainly be in the russian interest. Its not in our interests. And this is why i think what donald trump is doing right now is so destructive not only to our own country but to success of his presidency. There will come a time when President Trump is going to have to come before the American People and explain why hes going to take action visavis and it could be russian or china and hes not going to want to share that intelligence. So for him to belittle the quality of the work Intelligence Community does will ultimately belittle his own presidency, his own effectiveness and call it into question. Hes already, i think, damaging the country but hes also going to damage his own potential success. While i have you, theres another topic thats so significant but rarely discussed, something you have worked on, something Rachel Maddow wrote a book about. The expansion of the military powers of the United States nt any oversight or control. You have been advocating for some time that there should be a new authorization of force or one that actually condenses or cabins some of the u. S. Footprint there. What do you think of that not having gotten traction with congress or either party . Its all the more important now. History will be very kind to the Obama Administration, but this is one area that it wont. That the administration didnt work hard enough with congress to encrage congress to pass a new authorization to use force. I think the administration took the view, and i can understand it, that they shouldnt want this more than the congress because its the congress own Institutional Authority thats being eroded. And they were exactly right about that. But nonetheless, the administrations broad interpretations of these old authorizations going back to 2001 and 2002 are going to mean that donald trump can come into the oval office and can wage war just about anywhere as long as he claims its against al qaeda or its successors and point to the Obama Administration as precedent. So thats a very dangerous thing. I think there may be a great many republicans now who wish they had been more serious about this issue also because they probably are going to have great concerns about donald trump having free rein to make war without the approval of congress. This is a real problem. I would hope that wed get back at it again with a renewed determination because this could ultimately be a decision of war and peace. As you say, a President Trump could point now to bipartisan, democratic and republican, legal precedent for that based on this administration in part. Congressman adam schiff, Ranking Member of house intel. Thank you for joining us on a busy day. You bet. Thank you. What are president obamas plans starting at noon january 20th . I think its actually a pretty interesting question. The person who literally has the job fulfilling the president s top priority after leaving office is here tonight with us straight ahead. 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The founders didnt design it that way. And by the way, neither is the senate. Each state gets two senators no matter how many people live in the state, democrat or republican. So when you actually just think about it. The closest thing we have in our federal government to a democracy is the house of representatives. And then think about this. In recent years voting for your house of representative means voting in districts that actually look like this or this or this. We have republicans in large part to thank for many of the oddlyshaped gerrymandered districts popping up across the country after the 2010 census. To be clear, both parties do this, but the republicans have been doing it very effectively, part of an effort called the redistricts majority problem or they call it red map for short. Republicans poured money into local state and governor races so that when republicans won those local races they could then, as a very clear strategy, reshape the congressional districts to make sure democrats could get siphoned off into some wacky looking districts and republicans would then pick up extra wins elsewhere. In 2012 that effort paid off, but it was settle. Look at this like this, president obama won his second term. Democrats did keep the senate majority, but then in the house races where democrats won the popular vote think about that, 2012 more votes for democrats, 1. 4 million. And nevertheless it was republicans who held on to the House Majority not be a little, not like the Electoral College sometimes when its close but with 33 seats. So while more people voted democratic, redistricting helped republicans hold that big edge in the house. Its a far cry from one man, one vote, a far cry from what we consider to be a democracy. But redistricting takes place every ten years. The next census is coming up in 2010, democrats now gearing up to fight back against what happened 2010. Outgoing president obama and eric holder making redistricting reform their priority in the years ahead. Holder holding a new Democratic Redistricting Committee and the president s been briefed by that groups progress and how he can help flip those roll races from red to blue in the midterms to build for that 2020 map redraw. The idea is that republicans have been good at the redistricting game. Some liberals have been complaining and they reply by saying dont hate the player, hate the game. Now democrats are trying to change the game and this obama holder group Just Announced their op to run it. You dont see her doing the pundit laps on television, but she did come out of the network for her first interview since being named for this post. Kelly ward. Ms. Ward, thanks for joining us for the interview. Thanks, ari. Its great to be with you. What is the plan . Well, as you said, democrats are preparing to fight back. This is the first time that democrats have come together to have a comprehensive strategy focused on redistricting. And how we can make sure democrats are at the table as decisions are being made and that we have a level Playing Field on which democrats can compete. Its also the first time that we have had an entity within the Democratic Party solely focused on redistricting. Meaning, were pulling together all of the different house and senate and legislative leaders of our party, but we, the national Democratic Redistricting Committee, will be solely focused on our redistricting strategy a hundred of the time from now through the redistricting process. And how is president obama involved in this . Well, as your previous clip showed, he is very committed to rebuilding the party from the ground up and that includes the local races, the legislative races, it also includes making sure that redistricting happens in a fair way. Weve seen republicans rig the system with their gerrymandering, often illegal gerrymand gerrymandering. President obama knows firsthand the impact of that. Hes been dealing with a congress where the Tea Party Republicans elected in these very conservative unfair districts have a stranglehold on the process and where they have made obstruction their entire strategy against him. And their gerrymandering is part of why theyre doing that and how theyre maintaining that control. So he has seen firsthand the impact and now were thrilled as a Democratic Party and for our country that in his postpresidency hes focusing on this and making it a priority. Yet the flip side which people who are in the Democratic Party sometimes talk about and certainly a lot of progressive reformers talk about is just adding more gerrymandering isnt necessarily good and some democrats have cottoned to that. Take a look at, for example, the florida fifth district, this is karim brown drawn in a weird way. That is not contiguous, not a community, nothing youd draw like that. But brown fought to keep it that way after the republicans redrew it that way. Are you also going to be defending those kind of maps . Well, our goal is to make sure that the process is fair, that democrats have a seat at the table and that democrats can compete on a fair Playing Field. And we have not seen that because of the republican gerrymandering. And florida is a perfect example of this. The florida voters passed an initiative giving the legislature boundaries for drawing the maps and the republican legislators completely ignored those regulations put on them by the voters and passed what was then later determined to be an illegal map. And in fact, four of the nine seats that democrats pick pd ed in the house in 2016 were because of redistricting lawsuits that overturned illegal republican maps including in florida. And we know that when that happens, democrats do better, democrats normally pick up more seats when the process is more fair, democrats do better, and thats really our goal. And thats what well stay focused on. Right. Youre almost qugetting a the ft that just a return to a more majority rule system would be beneficial to the Democratic Party and defensible to those thinking about it ethically if it is democratic and not sort of rigged. Kelly ward, interim executive director of the redistricting committee. Its a mouthful. 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One of the things they do in preparation for new years eve in times square every year is the organized test of the confetti. Today people stood on top of one of the marquees in times square and they did a test run to make sure the confetti would flutter properly. Thats important. The good news is it worked. We are a go for new years eve here in midtown new york, at least from a confetti perspective. Just to be safe tune in at midnight on saturday to see if it goes as planned. What about tonight, though . We do have something just as good. Tonight on this network well do a special reair of rachels one on one interview with Kellyanne Conway talking about everything from Nuclear Policy under trump to his relationship with the press or a relationship that includes the first lady suing a news outlet based on their coverage. Every president , not only in the modern era, every president back to the beginning of newsprint has believed that the president has lied about them and has hated the press and against the press. Ive never seen a first family, a president or his family members trying to put newspapers out of business through hes not trying to do that. That is not her lawsuit. Her lawsuit is suing someone, suing a publication that lied about her. Are they going to do are people going to stop lying about them . She didnt file the lawsuit as the first lady. She has a right are people going to continue to loy about her . Presumably the first family will continue to believe that people are lying about them. All president s do. If somebody lies about the first family, you see it as a lie, would you want that news enterprise to be gone in punishment . No, of course not, no. This conversation that we just had will be taught in journalism classes. In journalism classes and in law schools. So who needs confetti when you have that admit night tonight. Midnight tune in or set your dvr. Either waydo notiss. It when its time to move to underwear toddlers see things a bit differently thanks to pampers easyups while they see their first underwear you see the best way to potty train pampers easyups our first and only training underwear with an allaround stretchy waistband and pampers superior protection so youll see fewer leaks and theyll see their first underwear pampers easyups. The easiest way to underwear. Pampers the third agency of government i would do away with education, the uh, commerce. And lets see. I cant. The third one, i cant. Sorry. Oops. I cant. I cant. Energy. It was department of energy. Rick perry later clarified that was a department he wanted to eliminate. And you could feel bad for him. He was so committed to the goal, maybe hed already yoe limbed it from his mind. But folks, it could be the eighth sign of the plolitical apocalypse, he may have forgotten the name of the department of energy because it sounds sort of vague and forgettable. Would he have forgotten the name, though, if it was the department of nukes . Were not just asking. It very well could be named that. Half of the Energy Departments budget, it turns out, is devoted to the u. S. Nuclear weapons program, collecting data, inspecting the actual warheads, ensuring the safety of the weapons and promoting federal nonproliferation around the world as a u. S. Government goal. In fact, since 1998, no country except forhas conducted a test. But now, president elect trump talking about expanding our Nuclear Capability and there is a question whether we would Start Testing again, under the guidance of someone with, to be accurate, very little scientific background and no experience with the Nuclear Issues that make up about of ha of thhalf o department. One was a nobel prize in physics in 1997 and has been telling the New York Times about that, that being a physicist does help manage the job of nuclear secretary. If people are talking to a nonscientist, people might be of tempted to b. S. Him. He hopes he succeeds in the job, but asked when he could recall a science background was used in a decision, he didnt hesitate. All the time he said, maybe not the best news for mr. Perry, but yes, we are rooting for him too. We will be right back. If you have moderate to Severe Ulcerative Colitis or crohns, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective. If other treatments havent worked well enough, ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. Entyvio works by focusing right in the gitract to help control damaging inflammation and is clinically proven to begin helping many patients achieve both symptom relief as well as remission. 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You see rachel, guest hosts l me come in sometimes, mostly, though, it is a fact, this show depends on a lot of people who usually go unnamed except for once a year when we roll the credits here as a way of saying thank you. I have had the privilege of working with all of those great people. Thank you for making this show and msnbcs work possible every night in 2016. And for viewers, rachel will be back on monday for the start of 2017. Thats s tdoes it for our show, can always email me at ari msnbc. Com. Wait, im sending you an email right now. You love it that email is available. 10,000 emails in the last ten minutes. I cant believe you do that. It feels good, lawrence. Thank you, ari. The russian response to president obamas new sanctions was to threaten the United States today, but donald trump says thats no big deal, its time to just move on. Just forget about it, i guess. We dont know whos been