John flannery. Later, we will look at the key questions that are percolating like why didnt mueller ultimately subpoena President Trump and force him into a sit down interview and should he have . Well get into something embarrassing for the Trump Administration no matter what els in the Mueller Report, the fact that the newly installed attorney general has been busted for misleading the american public. What do democrats do about all this . We begin with something you can see right here that you never really saw in the 22 months throughout the investigation. Bob mueller in person doing what usually fell to his Justice Department detailed spokesperson, peter karr many, many times, which is refuse to answer press questions. As a still serving public official, this was what happened today when he left Easter Services in washington. Could i ask you a couple of questions . Will you testify before congress, sir . I have no comment. Are you sure about that, sir . If you were anybody but the president , would mr. Trump be indicted . Now that you have turned in now that you have fun iinished why didnt you make a recommendation to congress . Did the attorney general accurately depict . Bob mueller jumping into the car and metaphorically and literally doing what hes done at so many points in this probe, which is err on the side of not speaking in any way other than through his report. That report of course we have an unredacted version right now. Democrats are urging mueller testify and address any remaining questions. Do it by may 23rd. The other issue, though, confronting democrats is what they will do with the redacted report for the full thing when they get it because it has evidence for the crime of obstruction. Will they use it to begin impeachment proceedings . Will they just move on . What were seeing today is that even though the top chairs are not yet able to agree at this hour on exactly what they want to do next. Do you think this is impeachable . Yeah, i do. If proven, which hasnt been proven yet, some of this if proven some of this would be impeachable, yes. Im not there yet, but i can foresee that possibly coming. I, for one, have been for impeachment for a long time. Im going to continue to be for impeachment. I think what we will have to decide as a caucus is what is the best thing for the country . The obstruction of justice in particular in this case is far worse than anything that Richard Nixon did. Worse than nixon. And democrats very clear on what that means and how that presidency ended. Now tomorrow were told nancy pelosi will be convening to sus out these differences. Lets get right into it. I have some special guests tonight. Former solicitor general of the United States, he wrote the rules regarding mueller. Jason johnson, a politics editor for the root. Eleanor cliff and natasha. Thank you for all of you. It is interesting to do this special when we do know that mr. Barr from the beginning wanted to issue his own judgment and not have a lot of other discussion be it from the congress or in a panel like this. Its clear he was trying to shortcircuit the discussion. As journalists, although we dont know where this goes, we will not have it shortcircuited. I could start with neil as the legal heavy weight. But i will start with eleanor. Given that there is overwhelming evidence of obstruction in certain places but there is no underlying conspiracy, what do you think is the standard for congress to proceed on this on substance, if not on the politics . I think there is no question that this president attempted obstruction of justice. The fact that he failed at it because some of his people protected him does not excuse him from the steps that he took in my view. So i think these are clearly impeachable crimes. But this is political war. Weve got two sides. Weve got the barr rosie scenario and the facts as laid out in the mueller memo. And i think that the attorney general actually scored a political win for this president by putting the similar policist rosie scenario out there first and early. If you talk to people who are not fully immersed in this, they buy no collusion, no charges of obstruction of justice, lets move on. I think it is up to the democrats to keep this issue alive, to do appropriate oversight to bring the characters out of the Mueller Report on to Cable Television and let the American People hear these stories firsthand. We have this president s behavior as outlined in a number of tellall books now documented in excruciating detail by a federal prosecutor. The American People do need to hear that. But you cant conduct a war if you do not have Public Opinion with you. We couldnt sustain the effort in vietnam and we couldnt sustain it in iraq after a certain point when you dont have the public. The public is not with impeachment. They dont grasp the dimensions of what this president has done and how he has not been held accountable. So dont take impeachment off the table. But you dont launch into it. You conduct appropriate hearings and you do other things. You take care of the peoples business, and there is plenty of that from immigration to opiod drugs to health care. And the democrats should not allow themselves to be swallowed up by this report. Neil . So i agree with the idea that there is a shortterm political victory. Barr didnt say two things that are crucial. They are on pages 1 and 2. Number one, mueller says even if trump were guilty as sin, i couldnt indict him because of these two Justice Department opinions. And as such, im not going to potentially incriminate him in the report. So thats number one. And number two he says if the evidence shows that trump committed no crimes and was clear as day, then i will exonerate him. And mueller does neither. As then as well be talking about over the next couple of hours, the report paints a devastating picture of the president. I have heard eleanor and people like that say the public isnt behind this or something. But thats because i think of this barr prespin press conference and his four page memo earlier. Now the public has this long report before it. And i think mueller bet on the public. He bet on the faith of the public that they will read this report. They will look at it. They will look through these devastating details about what the president has done and the president has gotten away with a lot of stuff for the last two years from charlottesville to taxes to trade and lying and all that. Here you have people, witnesses, including the president s staunch allies like his white House Counsel, implicating the president in the commission of crimes. It will be much harder for him to dismiss. I think there is only one course of action for the congress to take ultimately, and it is going to be to impeach this president. And thats a lot coming from you as establishment legal voice. I mean, you are not saying that from the outside. You have served at the highest levels of a careful administration. Jason, to that point go ahead, neil. I was just going to say, i mean, if, you know, the report and the devastating details in it are so strong that if you dont impeach and dont launch an investigation over this, i dont know what its for at the end of the day. Nixon wasnt even close to what this report says. Well, thats striking when you put it like that. Again, because jason, the way to read mr. Barrs now exposed misleading statements both to the congress and to the public is either that hes incredibly over aggressive, almost sort of wreckless in doing what he didnt need to do from a political perspective but just wanting to spike the football or what i think neil just laid out, the alternative explanation is that on its face the overwhelming evidence of obstruction in the report, that is to say part two, is so damning and bad and fueled by trumps own aids that barr felt a need to get ahead of it, even if he knew he was kind of pulling a grenade on himself that would explode soon because it was so important to get ahead of those stories, which are supported by bannon, by priebus, by mcgahn. Barr was going to jump on the grena grenade. But it didnt work. If you look at any and every single poll, the Mueller Report has not and this is where the political and the Constitutional Responsibilities really come into play. The Mueller Report hasnt changed anybodys mind. There is nobody out there suede or convinced one way or another by anything that barr said. I have to interject just to say we cant even have that assessment for weeks. I dont think we could say on a four page report going into, as i have noted passover easter and the rest if what we meet is peoples reaction to the smoke coming off the Mueller Report, sure. Right, right. But im oldfashioned enough i guess couldnt have this job if i wasnt. The point is that over time as people read, listen and engage the content that in two weeks they might be informed more by the report and the facts and not the smoke around it, jason. But i think what were talking about as eleanor mentioned before, the nonemersed public because some of this is about responding to public desire, public concerns or the politics of it. The noninvolved public primarily feels the way they feel about President Donald Trump and whether or not hes a corrupt and irresponsible person regardless. This is where it is up to congress to make a determination as to whether or not what he did was bad enough. Regardless of what barr did and Kellyanne Conway says, if you looked at, say, Brett Kavanaugh last year, the public did havent a strong opinion about whether or not Brett Kavanaugh should get on the supreme court. But after he had to testify, the public sentiment began to change. The same thing is going to happen with impeachment. While the public may be ambivalent about this now or not really know what impeachment looks like, should the democrats hold hearings and begin the impeachment process and lay out the case of what was presented in the Mueller Report, i do think public sentiment will be in favor of this. If the democrats avoid this opportunity, if they disabuse themselves of responsibility they have to hold this president accountable, they will never have this opportunity again. I dont think investigations are enough. I think impeachment is in order. Natasha . So there are a couple different ways to look at this, obviously. I think the Political Risk is very clear. The political calculation that the democrats are making is very obvious. But thats also what theyre criticizing the republicans for x right . They criticized the republicans for acting politically. Their base voted them into office in november. What better moment than this is the argument that some are making. You have the Mueller Report. It is kind of like the dog caught its tail and now it doesnt know what to do. It is like the democrats really didnt have a plan for this because i guess they didnt foresee the report would be this bad. But, you know, there is also is that where, in your own reporting journalistic way youre raising a criticism of some of the democratic leadership . Because they have known for three weeks there wasnt a conspiracy indictment. They also knew that mueller spent a lot of time to research the rest of what at least in public view looked bad and even worse the report so why should it be so hard to have a plan for something that was expected . Well, potentially because they didnt want to have a plan. Potentially because the argument and the thinks amongst some in leadership is we need to hold him accountable at the voting polls, at the polls in november of 2020, that the only way that the country is going to potentially, you know, come back together here is with a resounding defeat in 2020. And the argument also is that an impeachment process would politicize an over sight responsibility in a way that it doesnt necessarily have to be. So the other alternative theyre looking at is just Holding Hearing after hearing of all of the things that mueller found without necessarily calling it an impeachment proceeding. Come on. My come on is to them but not to you. You as the reporter, come on. Endless hearings . This is where i want to press you and eleanor before i fit in a break which is is it not the Democratic Party that throughout the entire trump era has been giving out lectures to their republican colleagues and certainly to the senators in the republican party, when will you stand up . When will you go for what is right . What you said in the past, not just politics. Isnt it politics that the democrats are trying to game out 2020 instead of say, look, if there was on construction, and if there wasnt, be honest about that. But dont bring politics into something at this constitutional level. Correct, no. Thats why i said at the beginning that the criticism there is they are being hypocritical and that is time for them to take an ethical position of the type they have been hammering away on for the last two years. But the other side of that, of course, is that the most important thing, the overriding concern is about beating donald trump in 2020. But the democrats also elected a wave of democrats into office in november partly because they wanted to see them hold trump accountable. But another aspect of this that i think were going to see just, you know, a little bit apart from this is that the Justice Department and the republicans in the senate and the republicans in the house are going to start making the origins of this investigation a huge issue, and so they will have to compete with the counter narratives constantly about the fact that this was a witch hunt, bill barr is conducting his own parallel investigation to the Inspector General into the origins of this probe. So there will be a lot of noise. I think the democrats now are trying to game out a way to rise above that noise in a way that doesnt have to seem political. Eleanor . Yes. This is not an either or situation. I am going to defend Speaker Pelosi here. She calls it step by step. Yes, they start with oversight hearings. I dont think it will be over sight hearing after hearing. At some point they will have to decide if they are going to open an impeachment inquiry. There is no reason to rush. The pentagon papers when they came out during the nixon administration, people read those papers and that changed a lot of minds. Maybe people are going to read this book. The Washington Post says it is a run away best seller. If people do read it it will sink in. But people need help understanding the gravity for the situation and the democrats need to bring these people to life. And i cant wait to hear from robert mueller, don mcgahn is a witness who can testify to this president s behavior up close and personal. This is what the democrats need to do. And they shouldnt be rushing into a trial in the senate with chief Justice John Roberts presiding over a Republican Senate that has shown no cracks unless you count mitt romneys. We may get there. I hope we do get there. But i dont think there is a rush. And for the democrats to start feuding among themselves as to whether theyre going to live up to their, you know, moral standards and launch impeachment right away because it is the right thing to do or whether they will be craving politically because theyre worried about reelecting this person in 2020, i dont think thats a set of arguments that democrats need to be wasting a whole lot of time on. Right. Eleanor and jason johnson, i want to thank you both. I want to fit in a break. When we go on, we will do something we dont always get to do. Im going to break down each of the five most crucial instructions neil looks at. How damaging are they legally. And later the heat on bill barr and the reporter who pressed trumps attorney about his handling of the Mueller Report is here. Later, the lingering questions, what the Mueller Report may not resolve and who may get the answers. All that plus 2020 dems are starting to go there. I have called on the house to initiate impeachment proceedings. [ applause ] stay with us. Im ari melber. You are watching special coverage of the Mueller Report right here on msnbc. Re on msnbc. Travel and dining now kayak and opentable let you earn travel rewards every time you dine. Earn points with each restaurant reservation on opentable and redeem them for hotel discounts on kayak. Get started at kayak. Com diningrewards. Whos already won three cars, two motorcycles, a boat, and an r. V. I would not want to pay that insurance bill. [ ding ] oh, i have progressive, so i just bundled everything with my home insurance. Saved me a ton of money. Love you, gary you dont have to buzz in. Its not a question, gary. On march 1, 1810 [ ding ] frederic chopin. Collapsing in 226 [ ding ] the colossus of rhodes. [ sighs ] Louise Dustmann [ ding ] brahms lullaby, or wiegenlied. When will it end . [ ding ] not today, ron. When will it end . [ ding ] voting for your favorite has never been easier. Just say vote for world of dance into your xfinity vmo. Um jennifer, its called a voice remote, not a vmo. Yeah, i just think vmo has a nicer ring to it. So, just say vote for world of dance into your xfinity vmo to choose your xfinity fan favorite to join the world of dance experience on my its my party summer tour. Cast your vote by saying vote for world of dance into your xfinity x1 voice remote. Or as jlo likes to call it, your vmo. The best news for donald trump in the Mueller Report was to be clear about russia no finding the Trump Campaign conspired with the russian government. The worst news is about obstruction. Mueller probing many different trump actions and finding by my count at least five cases, some say more. There was serious or substantial pieces of evidence of the crimes of obstruction. Here they are. Trumps improper meddling into the probe of flynn, ousting mueller, and his followup to that effort, ordering his aids to lie about is, which shows he knew something was wrong about it. His other attempts to curtail the russia probe and trying to get Jeff Sessions to take control of it. If a normal citizen did any one of those let alone five things, they could be charged and convicted. Thats what Michael Cohen and mike flynn learned. In the case of the president , mueller notes it does present indictments. For this discussion, i want to get in deep with former u. S. Solicitor general. Again, thank you for being here tonight, neil. I would suggest we go through at least these five point by point, but im open to however you want to do it when you look at legally what it means to have these elements exmothplored as evidence of obstruction. Yeah. I think that action plan sounds great, ari. I just want to say that one of the reasons i love your show is that you give the viewers a chance to go in depth on a legal issue. I so love being your partner in crime on this because we will get to do something, i think, that just hasnt been done, which is to go through element by element, accusation by accusation. Thats really important here because trump neil, partner in crime . Or partner in law . Exactly. Partner in law. Trump was not cleared on the facts of obstruction in the Mueller Report at all, zero clearing for that. At most, he was cleared on a the legal theory that because hes a sitting president he cant be indicted. What that leaves open, he says that trump can be indicted after he leaves office and in the interim there is a possibility of congressional impeachment for these acts. So as we go through all of these Different Things today, all these episodes, thats really what were talking about, which is could trump be indicted in the future for this, or is it now a possible subject for impeachment . With that in mind as the stakes, as you know we have up on the screen these first five for viewers to go through. Number one, mike flynn, go. Okay. So i dont have the screen in front of me. Ill read the header to you. Mueller talks about the substantial evidence of obstruction in trumps conduct involving mike flynn. You know, let him go, let the probe go. Okay, right. So there are three elements to an obstruction charge. Again, were speaking in the criminal sense. In the impeachment sense the standard is really different. It is not aztec any cal. It is more is there an an abuse of the public trust. But if we were to ask ourselves the question that the reporter asked mueller today in your initial clip, you know, if an ordinary citizen did this, would it be a crime . The way you look at that is look to see if three things happened. Number one, is there an obstructive act . Was there something that trump did that in some way interfered with justice . Number two, what is the nexus between what the president did and any Legal Proceedings . So it is obstruction of justice is the crime. It is not obstruction of, you know, going to the hair salon or Something Like that. You need to have some sort of connection to a legal proceeding or an investigation. And then the third thing is criminal intent because criminal law is different than, say, torts or something, Car Accidents and the like. You have to show there was some intentionality. So with respect to the first thing, which is the fire, which is the Michael Flynn, the allegations that the Mueller Report lays out are really quite devastating. That show that trump went and said to jim comey in the oval office, hey, you should really let Michael Flynn go. And trump even denied to mueller a lot about that and about why he said it and stuff. And muellers report finds that trumps explanations for not as credible as jim comeys who was consistent throughout his stories and had contemporaneous evidence about it. The second piece of that could be is there a nexus . And, yes, obviously there were criminal proceedings going on about Michael Flynn. Thats when the president says i hope you can let him go. And then lastly on the corrupt intent, it sure smells really bad. After all, you know, mueller even lays out evidence that trump thought that flynn was lying about what he told the investigators about this gets technical. It is about sanctions with russia and the like. Right. Altogether, the three things point to a crime. So let me take the next three in a bucket because we put them together because theyre related. The efforts to get mueller ousted, then to ask people to lie about it and then the other efforts that trump explored to take control of the probe, all three seem to have very similar mental intent. Can you give us your bottom line on those three together because mueller presents them. Bottom line is its terrible for the president. And, yes, i think when you look at it, the instructed acts there are really going through a long discussion of how the white House Counsel, thats the president s top lawyer, who is not exactly known for being a stickler about the law, but mcgahn was asked by the president to fire mueller during muellers investigation and mcgahn basically uses a bunch of explitives and says hes going to resign. He then decides to basically not actually implement the order and stay in his job for a little bit longer. But, boy, it is the most dysfunctional scarey portrait of a white House Counsel who wont even obey the orders of his client because he thinks theyre fundamentally illegal. You are zeroing in on the evidence that mueller presents. Her interviewed far more people than are quoted in the body of the report. You are thinking like we know how mueller is thinking, which is that its particularly damning to have the president s own senior and loyal aids say this looks criminal, i cant be a part of it. As you just mentioned, neil, one part that gave me chills is that mcgahn gets off the phone with the president and makes a call to his personal lawyer. And even that mueller has. Brings me to my last question to you in this section which is number five. What mueller calls efforts to have Jeff Sessions take back control of the probe. Why do you think mueller came down on this so negatively . Because to laypersons, to anyone hearing about it, the idea that trump was calling his own attorney general to talk about attorney general stuff doesnt sound so bad. Because there is no such thing as unrecusing an attorney general. The United States has important ethics rules for a reason, which is if someone has a conflict of interest, then they cant serve. All of us when we go into the Justice Department, we have former clients or whatever, and we just cant work on those things. There is no ifs, ands or butts about it. There is no send guessing. Thats how it works. Here you have a president that faced because he was scared about the mueller investigation, tried to get rid of it by forcing sessions, his own attorney general, to unrecuse. I mean, it is astounding. It is conduct unbecoming of anyone in government, let alone the president. And, yes, this is why i think ultimately, you know, politics, you know, people can argue about the politics one way or another. But at some point, people have to stand for principal. And this is one fundamental principal is we dont have president s that go around obstructing justice. That is the most unamerican thing we can imagine. And there has to be a remedy against that. Its very interesting to hear you break it all down nontonigh neil. I know you try to be fair in your analysis, as do i. I reported on how it appears don jr. Certain election suspicions. Those are important because of fairness and truth. When i hear you say tonight that this obstruction looks worse than nixon who was removed over obstruction, thats the case that was made against him that led to his resignation, thats pretty striking. Neil, thank you for digging in deep with us. Up ahead on this special, bill barrs action leading up to the release of the Mueller Report. The reporter who pressed barr personally next. Ext. Hey, who are you . Oh, hey jeff, im a car thief. What . im here to steal your car because, well, thats my job. What . 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By coming out and echoing the president s talking points and echoing that mantra that trump has said, no collusion, i think that created this situation where the public sort of gives an eye to this and wondering whats really going on here when he comes out and gets ahead of thisnd report and creas an idea of what this report actually says. Yeah. To that end, paul, i want to do lightening round yes or noes with you. Yes or no do we now think he did tell the truth about the report . No. And do we think that he provided a full and accurate accounting of muellers accomplishments in the Morning Press Conference . No. And again some of this is simple. Then wellhi get into the detai. Take a look for a longer analysis at what he said were mitigating or good sounding reasons for trump doingnd what did. Takeat a look. As the special counsels report acknowledges, there is substantial evidence to show that theen president was frustrated and angered by his sincere belief that the investigation was thundermining his presidency. Paul . So there we see the attorney general of the United States using thene release of the most important investigation of a president in American History as basically a launch of the president s reelection cam pain. You have beent talking about watergate or Richard Nixon. Elliot richardson was nixons attorney general who stood up to nixon and ended up getting fired. Bill ngbarr is no elliot richardson. Hes more like rory who the president said he wish he r had him. Hewi found him in bill barr. But remember, he ended up getting disbarred for lying to his clients and lying stealing money from his clients and lying on sworn statements. Hes the lawyer of trumps fantasys. Trump has found him in barr. How much does it matter that at least according to a lot of legal experts, some republicans and certainly the Democratic Party that barr has lost a lot of credibility before he goes backty to address congress on t report. Yeah. I dont getng what the longter gain is there because clearly this report was going to come out soon after barr gave the press conference. That clearly wasnt going to match up with what barr said at that press conference. Didnt know it at the time of the press conference. Thats clear afterwards. And then he picked that fight, ron. And with of all people bob mueller. Bob mueller has this careful reputation, which is why it matters that he w didnt find, r example, an actual charge of election conspiracy, right . Hes been careful on the different aspects. Barr comes in and says the finding about a lack of indictment on obstruction had nothing to do with the rules and so i have to make the judgment. And isnte that the opposite o what the report says now that we know it for a couple of days . Yeah. Especially talking about the president s feelings i thought was particularly strange because you dont typically have a prosecutor coming in and talking about a potential targets feelings. The emo defense . Yeah. It sounded more like a defense prosecutor than d it did a prosecutor, right . I think it will be troubling for him to go back on the hill. Hes taken a big credibility shot. Hes going to face questions about how this press conference sort of game about and why he decided to sort of what appeared to be spinning for the president there. Fopaul, final thought . So three lies. Barr said no collusion. The report doesnt contain evidence of criminal conspiracy, but many, many instances of the Trump Campaign being unethical and unamerican and reaching out to russians to try to get him elected. Barr indicated it wasnt a big part of muellers analysis that a sitting president cant be indicted. Thats a lie. We know now that was central to muellers analysis. It was page one of the obstruction section. O it is just remarkable and inappropriate for him toe have suggested hiotherwise. Remarkable, inappropriate and a damn lie. Also, as you have indicated, barr acted like mueller said, mr. Attorney general, i cant do my homework with regard to the obstruction charge. Can you please do my homework for me. We know thats not what mueller wanted. He wanted thatel to go to congress. Again, what barr is doing is framing the narrative. Hes spinning. Those arent phrases were used to hearingas about the attorney general of the United States. Yeah. Digging into the barr of all of it. Up ahead, we dig into a whole lot more, including one of the 2020 candidates pushing the entire party to go towards impeachment. 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Elizabeth warren became the first high profile candidate to do so on the second day. Cannot be an america that says it is okay for a president of the United States to try to block investigations. So i have called on the house to initiate impeachment proceedings. [ applause ] im joined now by amish. We have been fixated in our first part of special coverage tonight on the facts, the substance, the law. Ultimately everyone understands that if congress is involved there is going to be a political spectrum here. What does that tell you that few dems are seizing on everything that we do believe, at least a good bulk of the liberal base will want to hear. What it tells me is they understand theyre walking a fine line, that to make their case to the American People, they will have to come out with policy ideas and a way to govern rather than just against President Trump. I should tell you that soon after Elizabeth Warren became the first 2020 candidate to talk about impeachment and say these are impeachable offenses, i got messages from someone on her campaign that told me she made this decision after reading the full report on the plane ride for a long time. However, impeachment isnt going to be what our campaign will be about. It will be about rolling out big policies. That tells me as soon as she said that they had to tell reporters and other people shed still be talking about other policy issues. I think that goes to something that when we think about it is a little awkward. If you are running to win in 2020 against resumebly the incumbent president , if that is a assumption, you want to look like you are ready to win in that way, not that you have some side impeachment planned, which is separate from the institution of congress. For your analysis as well on the politics, lets show here on what the candidates are saying. Mr. Sanders who is known as a progressive candidate says he Needs Congress to get more information. Senator harris the same. Tim ryan and swalwell are all in that camp. At what point does that get perceived as not for impeachment . I think that as long as the polls continue to say the American People largely arent in favor of impeachment. I think the president really benefitted from the slow trickle of news that was really related to the Mueller Report. Renew a lot of the things that happened in the Mueller Report. As a result there was this perception that the president was instructing people to lie, that people around the president were quitting. Now when you fast forward, you also look at 2016 and the fact that Hillary Clinton and largely Bernie Sanders were out there saying this is someone who is not trustworthy, hes someone who is not going to be president ial. Democrats already ran on that message, and they lost. So they look forward in 2020, especially with expectations that people already knew what they were getting with President Trump. A lot of candidates are saying we cant have that same play book. The dems won back the house. Very interesting analysis. Again, some of what the assumptions may have been out there, thank you. Thanks. Coming up, some of the biggest mysteries in the muelle Unanswered Questions about why so many lies and why so many russian contacts. Travel and dining now kayak and opentable let you earn travel rewards every time you dine. With just one reservation on opentable, you can start saving money on hotels with kayak. Get started at kayak. Com diningrewards. I have heart disease, watch what i eat, take statins, but still struggle to lower my ldl bad cholesterol. Which means a heart attack or stroke. Could strike without warning, pulling me away from everything that matters most. siren because with high bad cholesterol, my risk of a heart attack or stroke is real. 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They want to know whats under the long redactions. 12 of 14 cases mueller referred to other jurisdictions remain secret. The big central question for Law Enforcement why were so many Trump Campaigning pushes so hard for russian connections. Why did people lie if there was no conspiracy. Up answered questions. Were back and all over the stories. My question to you, is what is your question . What is your biggest unanswered question . Gosh, theres so many. Things that werent mentioned in the report at all that were surprising. Such as Cambridge Analytica. The nra ties to the russian or russian money flowing through the nra. Mueller was investigationing that and also Cambridge Analytica potential ties to wikileaks. He interviewed employees. Its interesting none of that was mentioned and the Trump Organization server mystery computer activity that was happening during the election. It was not mentioned. A lot of Big Questions that were we knew mueller was investigating and things in the report that mueller said he wasnt able to get an answer to. What did carter page do in moscow many july 2016 working for the campaign. They were not able to get a clear answer on why he was over there. Who he spoke to. Theres a lot of things they couldnt get to. Because of lack of access to relevant communication. For example other things like Paul Manafort and gave the internal polling data to the russians. And kilimnick and what happened. A ton. Lets do a little republican platform here. Reading from the Mueller Report the big mystery. Theres an idea that one of the stories conflicts. Gordon this felt obliged to help a proposed platform changed based on the prorussia statements. Calling no objection by the Campaign Policy director and state gordon reached him and trump hadnt taken a stance on issue and shouldnt intervene. Not enough evidence to make it look like the plot forp was changed as quid pro quo. What the heck were they up to . The mystery is lingering. I did a will the of reporting on this mysterious platform change. The woman who proposed the amendment to call for providing lethal arms to ukraine. Which i note was not out of gop orthodox si. At the time. In 2016. It was a popular position. She said as soon as her amendment was proposed, jd gordon got up and shot out of his seat and went to the people at the meeting and told them this has to be tabled. I have to call new york. And he said that he had to call and check in with the trump hetd quarters. And make sure this was okay. And his story is that it really wasnt that big of a deal. He didnt get approval from the campaign. The question is why he felt so strongly. And water it down. Was denman i believe. Correct. I spoke to that delegate as well. It sounded so big, mueller doesnt find its a crime. We report it. 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