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Thats the International Signal thats the signal for rachel cant hear me. All right. Well, i can continue to monologue but dont cut her off like that. Lets i mean, let me and the audience kind of gradually withdraw from the rachel moment control room. Even when the sound goes down. We like seeing her and kind of saying goodbye. Even if she cant hear us. Well get it right the next time. As the United States tonight approaches 100,000 deaths from coronavirus, a new Colombia University study, which rachel was just talking about at the end of her hour, asks and answers the great what if of the coronavirus pandemic. As of tonight, the United States now has 1,581,622 confirmed cases of coronavirus and this country has suffered at least 95,003 deaths from coronavirus. Those numbers would be much, much higher if the governor of california had not been the first to shut down most activity in his state followed very quickly by governors all across the country. What if the shutdowns happened earlier and what if the president of the United States guided those shutdowns . What if the president of the United States urged people in all 50 states to stay home and avoid unnecessary travel sooner . The answers to those questions appear in a new Columbia University study entitled differential effects of intervention timing on covid19 spread in the United States. The study shows that the statewide shutdowns slowed the spread of the coronavirus and it shows that if a nationwide shut down was imposed on march 8th, 36,000 lives would have been saved. 36,000 lives. The only person in government who could have urged a nationwide shutdown was the president of the United States. If the president of the United States did that on march 8th, he could have saved 36,000 lives. What the president did on march 8th instead was play golf. The president s official schedule shows on march 8th at 8 41 a. M. The president goes from maralago to Trump International golf club in west palm beach, florida. There he is on the golf course that day, march 8th, with Washington Nationals pitcher patrick corbin. Thats what he did on march 8th. That is the typical picture of obliviousness the Trump Presidency will be remembered for. Thats what the commander in chief was doing on the day that he could have, could have saved 36,000 lives if he had paid attention to what some people in his administration said was coming with the coronavirus. The next day donald trump proudly tweeted, this is on march 9th, nothing is shut down. There was plenty of public advice being given that the country needed to at least begin to shut down at the beginning of march to save lives. There was enough of that being said including on this network that the president was publicly defiant about shutting down. As he still is. As he is today. As we approach 100,000 deaths. The president s full tweet on march 9th made light of the coronavirus in comparison to the common flu and said nothing is shut down. Life and the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases with 22 deaths. Think about that. Exclamation point. And Public Health officials were thinking about that. And they knew that those numbers were dramatically understated at the time because of the lack of testing. And they knew those numbers were going to skyrocket. And they knew the only way to stop the spread was to close down the country. The columbia study shows that if the country had effectively shut down on march 8th that by may 3rd we would have had 29,410 deaths instead of the number we did have on may 3rd, which is 65,307 confirmed deaths from coronavirus. There are many reasons donald trump has never said or done the right thing in confronting the coronavirus. But the most important reason may be his limited Attention Span. The president was briefed on the coronavirus repeatedly in january including by his secretary of health and human services. Warnings about the coronavirus were also included in the president s daily brief, which is the Intelligence Communitys daily assessment of worldwide threats to the United States and other issues worthy of the most serious president ial attention. Julian barns and adam goldman have delivered a report in the New York Times today about the challenge of intelligence officials trying to brief the president saying donald trump is quote particularly difficult to brief on Critical National Security Matters according to interviews with ten current and former intelligence officials familiar with his intelligence briefings. The president veers off on tangents and getting him back on topic is difficult, they said. He has a short Attention Span and rarely, if ever, reads intelligence reports, relying instead on conservative media and his friends for information. He is unashamed to interrupt Intelligence Officers and riff baseded on tips or gossip he hears from the former casino magnate steve wynn, the retired golfer gary player, or christopher ruddy, the conservative media executive. Mr. Trump rarely absorbs information that he disagrees with or that runs counter to his worldview, the officials said. Briefing him has been so great a challenge compared with his predecessors that the intelligence agencies have hired outside consultants to study how better to present information to him. Outside consultants . You mean psychiatrists for the answer to of how do you talk to a person like this . Donald trump made a Campaign Trip to michigan today thinly disguised as a president ial trip to visit a ford factory that has been repurposed to manufacture ventilators. When the president spoke to the news media there, he was of course asked about not wearing a mask. And the president said this. Well, i did wear i had one on before. I wore one in this back area, but i didnt want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. I had it in the back area. I did. I was given a choice and i had one on in an area where they preferred it so i put it on and it was very nice. It looked very nice. It looked very nice. Thats what hes concerned about. Thats what hes worried about as we approach 100,000 deaths. How does his mask look . It looked very nice. It looked so nice donald trump was afraid that any of us or any of you would see what he looks like in a mask but thanks to nbc news, we now have a tweeted photo of donald trump wearing that mask at the ford factory today. And we leave it to you to judge if it looks very nice. One reason the Trump Administration and donald trump personally are so corrupt is that donald trump doesnt actually know what corruption is. He often does not know that he is crossing the line of corruption and he is now publicly reveling in his corruption of the scientific work done by the centers for disease kroeshlgs a once esteemed research and Public Health institution in this country, whose credibility suffers daily under the thumb of donald trump. 9 president proudly proclaimed today that he is ordering, ordering the cdc to say that its perfectly okay for everyone to go back to church. At the end of march you will recall donald trump said that he wanted packed churches, that was his phrase, packed churches on Easter Sunday. And if that had happened, thousands of those people in those packed churches on Easter Sunday would be dead today. And now donald trump really wants to fill those churches again. Were going to open our churches again. I think cdc is going to put something out very soon. I spoke to them today. I think they are going to put something out soon. Weve got to open our churches. People want to go in. I said you better put it out and theyre doing it, and theyre going to be issuing something today or tomorrow on churches. Weve got to get our churches open. Leading off our discussion tonight ron klain, former senior aide to president obama and Vice President biden. He served as the ebola czar during ought bama administration. And dr. Rob davis is with us. Hes an emergency medicine physician. Hes the director of the committee to prekd medicare. Dr. Davis joins us from michigan. Ron klain, i want to start with what we just heard about donald trump trying to get people back into churches. But hes saying that hes telling the cdc what to say about churches and hes telling the cdc youd better get it out. Yeah, i mean, the centers for Disease Control before this began was the worlds most esteemed Public Health agency. People from around the world sought the cdcs advice and guidance on how to handle epidemics in their country. Of course americans have always sought it out in how to handle epidemics and other Public Health challenges in our country. The president said hes going to corrupt that Institution Just like hes corrupted every other. Todays statement by the president was more obvious but it wasnt the first. We know that this Current Situation began back in february when dr. Nancy messonier, the senior person at cdc in charge of respiratory diseases, spoke publicly about how the country was going to be disrupted by this virus and the president called and said she should be fired and silenced. And weve heard very little from her and the cdc in public ever since. So the president has tried to silence the cdc, hes trying to corrupt the cdc, what hes tried all along is not to let science guide the response and were all paying the price for that. Dr. Davidson, donald trump said today that the reason he doesnt have to wear a mask even though he was wearing a mask some of the time he was at that ford plant but the reason he justifies for not wearing a mask is that he gets tested a lot, and so what hes saying is if you get tested a lot you dont have to take the same precautions that people who do not get tested. Well, he may be at lower risk than other people, although hes in contact with a lot of individuals, and the tests they are using at the white house, the rapid test that uses a dry method, a study out of nyu last week said there may be up to 48 false negative. The president may be harboring the virus and he just does not know it. More important, he has the attention of millions of americans, both people that much support him ardently no matter what he does and others are just casual passersby that happen to look up at the tv screen. And when they see the leader of the country not wearing a mask it gives them license to say, well, i dont have to go to wear a mask, so when i go to the grocery store, the pharmacy, i dont have to protect my fellow citizens because the president doesnt have to do that. Its about leadership and speaking with one voice and hes failing us yet again on that. All right. Control room. Lets get the picture of him with the mask on up again since he hasnt been Wearing Masks, its good for america to see this example, and ron klain, as we look at the mask, we should include the fact that the ford company told the president s team that you are required to wear masks there. They said they, of course, wouldnt force the president to wear a mask but at least, and i guess well call this progress in trump world, at least the president , as we see in that picture compiled with fords policy while he was actually meeting with the ford people and discussing what was happening there at the plant. So there is that. Lets listen to what the governor of michigan just told Rachel Maddow about this. All of the ford executives wore the masks. All of the employees were Wearing Masks. All of the press were. And its really important that anyone with a platform has a responsibility to make sure that they model precisely what were asking everyone else to do. This is about Public Health, not one persons or another. This is about all of us, and anyone in a position of power and responsibility, i hope emulates and does precisely what they are asking everyone else to do. So ron, theres a piece of progress there in that the president did at least wear a mask but this really was a Campaign Trip. This was nonessential travel to that ford plant. Well, theres a piece of progress, lawrence, but of course its ironic because what the president said was i didnt intend to have you see me in a mask, i intended to not have you see me in a mask, i was hiding it, which is what Governor Whitmer suggests is exactly backwards. You began the program that 36,000 americans died because the president froze and didnt act quickly on shutting things down. The question now is how Many Americans will die now because the president continues to flaunt the idea that we should be Wearing Masks not to protect ourselves but to protect others . This is a Public Health matter just like drunk driving is a Public Health matter. We shouldnt drive drunk because it makes us safer but more importantly, it makes other people on the road safer. We should wear masks for the same reason, to protect others. When the president basically makes fun of this requirement, makes fun of this, hes really telling people its not important, and a lot of you know, the death toll will continue to mount as a result. Dr. Davidson, you joined us on many nights when it seemed michigan was being overwhelmed. What is the situation in michigan today . Whats happened to the curve there . What is happening . How much caution still remains among the people of michigan . We know there are some protesters, but whats the general level of caution there . I think were being extremely cautious but you played a clip of our governor. Were extremely proud of her leadership. She has modeled exemplary leadership in this crisis. The only reason that we are able to start coming out of the shutdown. She announced . Relaxing of that today. But still in west michigan where i practice some cases are starting to creep up a little bit. And you know, we talked about hydroxychloroquine this week with the president. We talked about masks. But his greatest failure still to date is the lack of adequate testing so we can test, trace and isolate and truly safely open this economy and get americans back to work in a lasting way. And the more we dont talk about that is id say a pretty good day in the news cycle for donald trump. So we need to keep pressing him. Were getting about a third of the tests we need every day in this country. We need the president to use the defense production act, give us the tests so we can do the job we need to do. Dr. Rob davidson, thank you very much for bringing us back to where we should be on this subject. Really appreciate it. Ron klain, thank you for helping start us off tonight. Appreciate that. And when we come back, senator Kamala Harris is going to join us. Lets in the control room put up that photograph of donald trump wearing his mask today because the country should see that. Very good example of his as much as possible. Not because he doesnt want us to see it but because it is actually a good example. Kamala harris warned donald trump in very strong language, though, that he is on the verge of committing a federal crime on another front. Youll hear that warning directly from senator harris. Next. Yall know what this is good lovin, no questions reach out and youll touch me bad habits, dont judge me just dont waste my time good lovin, no questions, baby reach out and youll touch me bad habits, dont judge me just dont waste my time and ask your doctor about biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in certain adults. Its not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights hiv to help you get to and stay undetectable. Thats when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. Research shows people who take hiv treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit hiv through sex. 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So you may want to talk with your lawyer bill barr about that, and that would be my advice. Joining our discussion now, senator Kamala Harris, democrat from california, member of the Judiciary Committee and the Senate Intelligence committee. Senator, thank you very much for joining us tonight. And i just wanted to reemphasize that point that you made so strongly. This is in effect what the president got impeached for, isnt it . Well, it is yet again at least an attempt at committing a crime by donald trump. In terms of the fact that it is a crime, its literally a crime, its a violation of the United States code to withhold money from the states in a way that would interfere with peoples ability to vote. So yes, but then we also know that the president doesnt seem to be burdened by the laws or following the laws so this is nothing new, lawrence. Senator, i want to turn to the new economic numbers that came out today, a new record filing for Unemployment Benefits but the Unemployment Benefits do not cover everyone who is suffering in this situation. I want to listen to stacy barlow hill who is a Small Business owner in pennsylvania in pittsburgh. Lets listen to her. Ive worked so hard to build and to create a reputable entity. Its just falling apart before me. And thats really hard. Its really hard to watch that. Senator, donald trump and the republicans seem to think that Small Business owners like her can just magically recreate their business after zero revenue for all this time and no ability to pay their staff. Yeah. Its tragic, lawrence. Today the jobs numbers came out, of course. Were looking at almost 40 million americans who are now over the course of the within last 100 days have become unemployed. Before the pandemic we know less than half of American Families could afford a 400 unexpected expense. People are hurting. I speak all the time about the fact recently we learned one in five mothers with a child under the age of 12 reports their children being hungry, and then when it relates to Small Businesses, we in the congress fought for Small Business relief, but it was deeply flawed. What ended up happening is the Paycheck Protection Program ended up going to publicly traded companies and what ended up also happening is that 90 of minority and womenowned businesses did not get relief from the Paycheck Protection Program, which is why together with Ayana Pressley, the congresswoman from massachusetts, i have proposed the saving our street act, which would be about saving the business down the street. The bodega, the hair salon, the barbershop, the florist. And ensuring that they any employer who has ten or fewer employees has dedicated resources through the federal relief package and in particular 125 billion that would go to those Small Businesses so that we can make shoo we keep them alive. They are part of the lifeblood of our communities. And as so many of us know, these are the local restaurant. These are the folks who know us. These are the folks when we walk in, they know our children and ask how our day or our week has brng and weve got to keep them alive. Weve got to keep them floating and getting through this pandemic which was not of their making. And of course, what the republicans tried to define Small Business in their legislation to help socalled Small Businesses, they defined it as a business with 500 or less employees. Thats not what we think of as Small Business. Your number ten in those small double digit numbers, those little businesses like that didnt have the powerful lawyers and accountants who could immediately secure that money for them so by the time they got near the paperwork, it was all gone to those big companies. Youre exactly right, lawrence. In fact, so many of them and in particular, these Small Businesses, women owned, minority owned businesses many of them dont have a line of credit or they bank with the Community Bank and so theyre not the ones affiliated with the big bank and some powerful banker who calls them up and says hey, bob, this money is about to come down, let me start getting your paperwork in order. I have a constituent with a beauty salon who told us look, they want me to fill out all this information about my vendors. Well, i get my products at the Beauty Supply store. Right . Shes part of the community. Shes an important business in the community. And she is exactly the kind of business that we need to keep active and allow them to get through this crisis. So part of my bill with Ayana Pressley says this money cannot the 125 billion is not going to be available to publicly traded companies, to hedge funds and things of that nature. We really need to save our Small Businesses. So its 20 employ eees and unde if they are in disadvantaged communities, otherwise its 10 employees or fewer. They are the lifeblood. They are the family restaurants. When you walk in and say can you sponsor the Little League team, theyre there. Theyre the ones when there is a moment of need for charity from businesses in the community, theyre the first in line to help. And so we need to help them. What should the democrats plan b Going Forward this pandemic is going to be with us for a while. Obviously if theres a new administration inaugurated in january, there will have to be a new plan in 2021. What do you think that plan should look like next year . Well, were not going to have a vaccine by november and probably not by january. So part of the plan has to be to do a full analysis. Theres been an abject failure of this administration to do it. A National Analysis of where are the needs and where are the resources . Part of what weve been proposing is we need to start collecting the data as a National Priority and then know where we need to send the resources, limited as they always are, so that we can head off what might otherwise become a spark or a cluster in terms of a Public Health problem. Because the vaccine lawrence when it is first discovered and tested and peer reviewed, were not going to be in mass production. And so there will not be enough of the vaccine to administer it to 330 Million People on day one. So i want to make sure and i know we want to make sure that on day one when the vaccine is created and produced that it is distributed based on need. We need to build back up our economy and thats going to be about paying attention to our Small Businesses like i said. The educational piece is profound. Its estimated up to 10 million children in america do not have access to broadband, much less have access to a laptop, so in these months when schools have been closed, we have whole populations of children who have not received the benefit of an education, are now going to be sorely behind unless we have serious intervention to help them catch up. That also means, of course, supporting our teachers. There is a lot of work that needs to be done around our children. And then we have to talk about Mental Health and what we need to do to address that. And then of course priority number one aside from Public Health is Building Back up our economy. Senator harris, please stay with us over this break. I want to ask you about an important matter in your Intelligence Committee jurisdiction. 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The first time the director of National Intelligence was not approved unanimously or with an overwhelming bipartisan vote. The position of director of National Intelligence was created after 9 11 in a reorganization of the Intelligence Community and the director has always attracted bipartisan support. Here is senator Kamala Harris at John Ratcliffes confirmation hearing. Do you believe that President Trump has accurately conveyed the severity of the threat of covid19 to the American People . At are you saying presently . We are in the midst of the pandemic presently, correct. Right. So repeat the question because i guess im misunderstanding, im sorry. Has he accurately conveyed the severity of covid19 to the American People . I believe so. You do . Senator harris, it didnt sound like such a difficult question. It didnt sound like a question that needed to be repeated and clarified but there we are. Indeed. Lawrence, i strongly believe that he was appointed. He was nominated and sadly ultimately confirmed because not of his qualifications or his experience or any dedication he has served to the work of National Security but because he has proved himself a dedicated soldier for Donald Trumps political agenda. And, you know, when we are in the midst of a Global Pandemic which has presented a National Crisis for america, when we know that the Intelligence Community attempted to brief the president on these issues but we know he is he has apparently a very short Attention Span, when we know that we are still in the midst of all of the concerns that we should have about our standing in the world in terms of our National Security threats against the homeland hot spots around the world, we need a director of National Intelligence who will speak truth even if it will be difficult for the president to hear and certainly, even if it will be difficult for that dni to speak the truth. I dont have any confidence in mr. Ratcliffes ability to do that and so that puts a lot of us in great in a position of great concern because after all, at least for now, donald trump is still the commander in chief, and has to make and is appointed with making decisions that relate to our National Security. If we dont have people speaking truth to him or being more preoccupied with his political fortunes rather than National Security were all at risk. I think its fair to say we know donald trump is either very likely or very possibly going to ask the director of National Intelligence to do things that the director should not do and i want to ask you just in your experience as a prosecutor and as a senate investigator, do you get the sense that in this administration where theyre firing every Inspector General who asks an uncomfortable question that people like mike pompeo and possibly the new director, do they do you think they have the feeling that they will not ever be investigated for what goes on, that if theres a new administration sworn in in january that there wont be any investigation at all about what happened there in the last year or few years . Lawrence, to be honest with you, i cant even go there. Im just too busy looking at whats happening today and concerned about whats going to happen literally tomorrow. These are folks who have an enormous responsibility that is that comes with a duty to put country first, and to put loyalty to the American People first, to put the issue of National Security first before any political agenda but there are countless members of the administration that have failed to do that. And again, we should all be concerned because it is about National Security. Think about a pandemic as an example of a threat to National Security because it is. And the president of the United States was briefed on this issue but yet told the American People it was a hoax. Dragged his feet. Lied or misrepresented the seriousness of it by my count at least 44 times on camera. And thats where we are today. Yes, lets get through this election as quickly as possible and say goodbye to donald trump, but right now weve got days and weeks and months ahead that require people in these positions to understand their ethical, their moral, their legal responsibility to the American People and our security. Senator Kamala Harris, thank you very much for joining us once again tonight. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, lawrence. Take care. Thank you. And when we come back, a new fox poll, a fox poll released tonight shows what every other poll shows, donald trump is in very big trouble and joe biden has the lead well outside the margin of error. Eugene robinson and Jennifer Palmieri join us next. Just because someone grows older does that mean they have to grow apart from their friends, or from the things they love to do . With right at home, it doesnt. 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When trump yells obamagate, hes strengthening that bond, not weakening it, and motivating black voters to turn out in the fall for obamas loyal wingman, biden. Joining our discussion now, Eugene Robinson, associate editor and pulitzer prizewinning columnist for the Washington Post. Hes an msnbc political analyst. And Jennifer Palmieris with us. Shes a former White House Communications director for president obama and former Communications Director for Hillary Clintons president ial campaign. And gene, let me start with that point you make in your poll in your column. Which is that to bring barack obama into this campaign only helps joe biden. It really does. And you know, one thing that democrats need to do is boost turnout of this election. They need and africanamerican turnout fell in 2016. We all know that donald trump won basically by 80,000 votes. He won the Electoral College by 80,000 votes in wisconsin and michigan and philadelphia. And if you had if black turnout had been at barack obama levels in 2016 in milwaukee and detroit and it had increased just a bit in philadelphia, wed be talking about Hillary Clintons reelection rather than donald trump would just be a twitter troll that nobody paid much attention to. So i think it is a dubious strategy at best to go after barack obama, who by the way is not just popular among african americans, hes probably the most admired human being in this country next to michelle obama. So i think its a losing strategy. But theyre throwing stuff against the wall and trying to see what sticks. And i dont think this is going to stick. Jennifer palmieri, as the veteran of a president ial campaign here, the only one among us, we defer to you on some of these questions. What does what gene just said, how do you think that impacts the biden Vice President ial Selection Process . Does it enhance the chances that he would want senator Kamala Harris, who was just with us, or Stacey Abrams to strengthen that appeal to the black vote . Its hard to know. I can argue, i cant predict but i could argue both ways why they might do that. Why they might if you have an africanamerican woman on the ticket, its historic. It energizes the you know, it could energize africanamerican voters. Gene is definitely right that the only times obama we got we did well in midterm elections when obama was president was when republicans would go after obama. That was the only thing that would help get africanamerican turnout higher than it would normally be in midterm levels. To go after i dont think its a thought out strategy. Sometimes we give trump too much credit. For having been just because its his what he does is wacky doesnt mean there is a strategy behind it and i think that obama it angered him that obama criticized his Covid Response and trump lashed out. I dont think its a thoughtful thing. But ultimately when we get to november i think whats going to really matter to voters is whats the state of the virus and whats the state of the economy. And that poll that you pointed to, lawrence, is important but also theres a quinnipiac poll this week that showed biden beating obama biden beating trump by pretty big margins on who you trust more to handle the virus and doing better than trump on who you trust to manage the economy. And that meant that means independents are going bidens way on those two points, on the economy and managing the virus spp and that, thats the kind of thing that lasts. You know, i dont know that obamagate will be around in november but those two issues will. And eugene, that quinnipiac poll had joe bide benn 18 points ahead of donald trump on handling the coronavirus. But Barack Obamas going to come back into this campaign. He has said hes going to be campaigning for joe biden as hard as he can in whatever methods are allowed during this pandemic. And so i completely agree with jennifer that Donald Trumps hatreds are impulsive and even if he was told it was a bad idea to talk about barack obama he will because he cant control those impulses. And there are going to be more obama speeches that will be very provocative to donald trump. There absolutely will be. Apparently in his meeting with republicans earlier this week President Trump said, you know, keep the pedal to the metal on obamagate. So i think its you know, i wouldnt say strategy because jen is right. He doesnt i mean, come on. But lets say its part tactic maybe and also just part visceral reaction. Obamas inside his head. He cant stand the fact i think frankly that a black man had a successful eightyear presidency, respected and admired around the world and won the nobel prize, and he gets laughed at and ridiculed and is presiding over an unmitigated disaster. I think that drives donald trump crazy. So every time obama comes out, i think it will drive him a little crazier. Gene robinson, Jennifer Palmieri, thank you both for joining us. And obama has go ahead. Hes held it back. I mean obama has held it back thus far, but youre right, lawrence. When hes on the campaign trail, he will not. Jennifer palmieri, gene robinson, thank you both for joining us. Really appreciate it. And when we come back, we will have a last word tonight about the newest glint of hope, and it is just that, a glint of hope for a coronavirus vaccine. And this one could be the very first vaccine to reach the market. Thats next. Hey, can i. Hold on one second. Sure. Okay. Okay safe drivers save 40 guys guys check it out. 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But the scientists working on a vaccine at Oxford University are not corrupt. They have licensed their Scientific Research to astrazeneca, which is a british and swedish company, which makes sense for the oxford researchers because if they develop a successful vaccine they will not be able to get it distributed around the World Without the kind of Distribution Network that pharmaceutical companies have. And before we turn to the hopeful side of tonights vaccine story, lets listen carefully to former Harvard Medical School Professor William haseltines cautions about the scientific challenges in finding a coronavirus vaccine. In my view, the question isnt when were going to have a vaccine. Its if were going to have a vaccine. Nobody has ever made, as far as i can tell and im asking everybody and i cant remember a vaccine that stops a virus that infects you through your nose. We dont have cold virus vaccines. So that is a real question that remains an open question. Nbc News Senior International correspondent keir simmons spoke with adrian hill, one of the researchers working on that vaccine at Oxford University. Reporter hey there, lawrence. Good evening. There is a lot of good news here, and the researchers at Oxford University who ive been speaking to really excited tonight because you just have to look at the numbers. 1 billion invested, 1 billion doses of vaccine according to astrazeneca by the end of 2021. Thats if this vaccine turns out to actually work. And i think what youre going to see, what nbc news understands, is that theres going to be an expansion of these human trials very soon so that thousands of people will test this vaccine. Thats for two reasons. One, of course, to see if it works. And the other to see if there are adverse side effects that would make it actually dangerous to roll out across large populations. Millions of people in the u. S. Are looking to see if this vaccine might work. The researchers say that they think they could have results by the end of the year, even perhaps in months. Listen to how excited they are about this. Within a week of signing the deal, they have a contract for a billion dollars worth of vaccine. So i guess if you had said that to me months ago that all of that would happen in a month, i would have thought that was wild and fantastic. Were thrilled. Reporter there are a lot of scientists who are warning about the dangers of moving too fast with this vaccine research. President trump of course talking about going at warp speed. That really worries a lot of people. And this vaccine from Oxford University when it was tested in monkeys, albeit a small group, they did find it prevented the virus from getting into those monkeys lungs but not that it stopped them getting infected. Another danger, of course, is when you give a vaccine like this to large numbers of people, maybe billions of people, any adverse side effects will come out. Whats interesting is that the researchers themselves say that the worry that people will relax and not take the precautions that they should be in relation to coronavirus because they think a vaccine is coming, that people shouldnt do that, that they should wait even just for a short time. Theres a reasonable chance, no certainty, that a vaccine will be available later this year. It might be as soon as september. It might be later. And that its really worthwhile not going and getting infected or putting yourself at risk of dying or transmitting to other people when its only another few months. Reporter another issue which amazingly is already appearing is what you could call a kind of geopolitical battle for vaccines with countries like the u. S. , western europe, china dominating demand. There is a push to make sure that any vaccine gets spread around because, of course, this virus is spread around the world and infections move so quickly, you really will need to tackle it everywhere. Amazing, though, that that conversation is already happening before we even know whether weve got a vaccine that works. There may never be a vaccine that works. This science is becoming so political even before the science is done. Lawrence . Nbcs keir simmons in london, thank you, keir. That is tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. And good evening once again. Day 1,218 of the Trump Administration. 166 days to go until the president ial election. The pandemic has now claimed over 95,000 american lives. And as we continue our effort to illustrate what a death toll of 95,000 looks like, its the equivalent of losing everyone equivalent of losing everyone onboard 613 boeing 737 passenger jets. Put another way, the equivalent of the crash of a 737 with 155 souls onboard every day for 613 days. And among the many ways life has changed for all of us over these past nine weeks, theres continuing controversy now over what Many Americans are now wearing to try to keep this virus at bay. Tonight the photo the president did not want the world to see has surfaced. Trump was photographed apparently unknowingly during his behindthescenes tour at ford motor today in michigan. The white house, of course,

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