Russia investigation. And the department of justice is deeply divided tonight because of the influence of donald trump. As he tries to vindicate his allies and to exact revenge on his perceived enemies. Heres what attorney general bill barr wants you to believe. The president has never asked me to do anything in a criminal case. If he were to say, you know, go investigate somebody because and and you sense its because theyre a political opponent, then an attorney general shouldnt carry that out. Wouldnt carry that out. Thats what you might call a red herring. We will discuss that. Just hours after bill barr said that, we learned that he has assigned an outside prosecutor to review the criminal investigation of a trump loyalist. Trumps former National Security advisor michael flynn. Lets just remember that michael flynn, a retired general, pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi in investigation in the investigation into russian interference two years ago. Interestingly, and somewhat mysteriously, flynn recently tried to withdrawal his guilty plea. An effort which the judge rejected. Nbc news carol lee reports. The inquiry into flynns fbi interview could be aimed at several former officials trump has repeatedly criticized, including former fbi director james comey and former deputy fbi director Andrew Mccabe, people familiar with the inquiry said. They also said it could be part an effort to make a president ial pardon of flynn more palatable. James comey and Andrew Mccabe are two of trumps favorite punching bags. Trump has repeatedly calls for mccabe to be prosecuted and the department of justice seemed like it might be prepared to do just that. Those are all the tweets asking for him to be prosecuted. Today, the department of justice announced that mccabe will not face charges. And that has, reportedly, infuriated trump. We also learned that the federal judge who was overseeing the mccabe case raised alarms in court about the president s involvement in the case. Judge reggie walton, a bush 43 appointee said, quote, the public is listening to whats going on. And i dont think people like the fact that you got somebody at the top basically trying to dictate whether somebody should be prosecuted. I just think its a Banana Republic when we go down that road and we have those types of statements being made that are conceivably, even if not influencing the ultimate decision, i think there are a lot of people on the outside who perceive that there is undue, inappropriate pressure being brought to bear. Now, cabe, flynn, and roger stone are all involved in the russia investigation. But there is a new development regarding the ukraine scheme. The Washington Post reports that as the impeachment trial was coming to an end, federal prosecutors took new steps into their investigation of Rudy Giuliani, including an interview with a witness last week. Prosecutors have also sought information related to the former u. S. Ambassador in ukraine, marie yovanovitch, whom you will recall giuliani pushed hard to oust. Prosecutors have also inquired about two companies with ties to giulianis former associate, lev parnas. The guy in the red shirt. But here is the weird thing. On monday, the attorney general, bill barr, confirmed that the Justice Department has created a, quote, intake process, end quote. To evaluate dirt on the bidens that Rudy Giuliani continues to collect from ukrainian sources. The Washington Post puts it this way. Quote, the parallel developments mean that one part of the Justice Department is scrutinizing giuliani. While another is accepting information from him, allegedly concerning a political rival of the president. Now, this all comes as the president has made a stunning admission about Rudy Giuliani. During the impeachment inquiry, President Trump strongly denied sending his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, to ukraine on his behalf. But in an interview with Geraldo Rivera yesterday, the president changed his story and admitted he did do it. He was just the best. Joining me now, the former acting u. S. Solicitor general. The author of impeach the case against donald trump. Good to see you. Thank you for being with us. I just think we need to remind our viewers. Its been a few days. People have had some chance to soak this in. There is nothing normal about what has been going on at the Justice Department in the last few days. Bill barr has made it seem like, hey, im the attorney general. We got prosecutors around here. We always sort of chew the fat and talk about sentencing and changing recommendations and things that weve asked for. Thats not really true. And its not really true when the only ones that barr seems to get involved in are things directly related to trump. Yeah, ali, thats poppycock really to put it mildly. This is unprecedented. It is incredibly disheartening to me and everyone who works at the Justice Department. I can tell you, ali, you know, i have talked to a bunch of former highranking republican, democrat, people who served in the Justice Department. Theres not a Single Person who is not enormously worried about whats going on right now. I mentioned at the top i mentioned at the top of the show that bill barr may have been throwing out a red herring here. I want to just play a little bit more of what he said and i want to get your evaluation of it. To have public statements and tweets made about the department, about our people in the department, our men and women here, about cases pending in the department, and about judges before whom we have cases, make it impossible for me to do my job. Im not going to be bullied or influenced by anybody. I mean, evaluate that for me. It doesnt have to be bullied or influenced by anyone. He knows exactly what trump wants. Trump puts it out, as always, in plain sight with tweets. He said later in that interview, i dont i dont see tweets or i dont know that anybody tweeted. It was only after he told the prosecutors in roger stones case to to ask for a reduced a lower range that he found out the president had tweeted about it. I think the legal term you used in your last answer was poppycock. Yeah. So look. I mean, i think we should wait to hear what attorney general barrs explanation is for whats happened this week. And what mishmash he was saying yesterday. If you think its impossible to do your job, you are the attorney general of the United States. You then resign. You dont go and complain about it in an interview. And, by the way, i dont understand why he is giving an interview to abc and not to the congress of the United States. I mean, these are some of the most serious things the Justice Department ever confronts, which is political accusations that they are using the prosecution power to fix cases. To help the president s friends, to hurt his enemies. I mean, he should be up there and explaining that now, not later. And, you know, this is an attorney general who comes in with a very blemished record. He falsely summarized the Mueller Report with with that fourpage memo before. Last week, he stood by and while the president gave his, you know, his celebration for being, you know, not found guilty in the impeachment thing. The president said he attacked, quote, fbi scum and the attorney general sat there and did nothing. I would think those kinds of things make it impossible to do the attorney generals job. The attorney generals, of course, the boss of the fbi. Let me ask you about that. On march 31st, he will, apparently, go before the House Judiciary Committee, congress, to maybe explain. I dont know what hes going to do. Earlier today, i spoke with michael conway, who at the time of the nixon impeachment, was counsel to the House Judiciary Committee and i asked him what he thought might happen on march 31st. Heres what he told me. We used to worry that someone would put their thumb on the scale of justice. Bill barr is breaking the scale of justice. Hes become the errand boy for the president and politicized the Justice Department completely. The career members of the Justice Department are very demoralized by this. And i think that the House Judiciary Committee will grill him. But weve seen in the hearings that he had before the Senate Judiciary committees confirmation. Bill barr is a wily speaker. Hes not going to be flummoxed by this questioning. Hes going to dodge and weave. He said he was going to force the rule of law and now we see what hes really done. So, neal, the one compliment we can all pay bill barr is he is a good talker. He is wily. Hes good at this stuff. So what comes of bill barr going to congress and being asked to explain himself . Well, youre right. I mean, i think barr is not trump. I mean, trump, as you were just saying about ukraine, cant keep his lies straight at all. And, you know, he just gets confused. Barr doesnt have that problem. But i think barr has a deeper problem when he goes and testifies on march 31st, which is really the the reality. Which is the president and barr seem to be bent on investigating all of the president s enemies and benefitting all of the president s friends. I mean, hes now launched investigations into the investigators over michael flynn, the president s National Security advisor. Roger stone, the president s Campaign Official and close confidante. Carter page before that, also someone who worked on the trump campaign. So hes been launching all of those investigations and its kind of like ukraine in the sense of, you know, the president said what i did was right. I was trying to fight corruption. And hes asked can you come up with any other example in the world where you cared about corruption . And he couldnt then. Here, barr should be asked here you are doing the president s bidding time and time again. You are now magically concerned about unfairness over roger stone. There are thousands of criminal cases in the system. Why you know whyd you get involved in these three . Yeah. What other case have you been concerned about the unfairness, which wasnt tied to the president s, you know, political favors and the like . Im an economics guy. We could chart it out and look at it statistically to say every 12 days he gets himself involved in one of these sentences cases. Wed love to see that evidence because he is presenting this as normal. But you said something. You said time and time again. You made a reference to, i think it was about the middle of 2018 when bill barr, private citizen, former attorney general, wrote this memo. This 20page memo, unsolicited, to Rod Rosenstein, the acting attorney general, about why trump shouldnt have to answer bob muellers questions. Sounds like that might have been a Job Interview or application because eight or nine months later, he was confirmed as the attorney general, who was then receiving bob muellers report. And didnt tell the rest of us for three or four weeks about what was in that report. So it is time and time again. Bill barr has shown us who he is over and over again. If anybody doesnt believe it now, shame on them. Yeah. And i just want to say one word about why this is so important. I mean, our prosecution system depends on people having trust that its not political. That youre not using the awesome machinery of justice and imprisonment and prosecutors to go after the enemies of the president or to help the friends. And thats how i always saw it in two different administrations with the Justice Department. I saw so many instances in which the politics said to do one thing. Or even the white houses desires or the president s desires. But the Justice Department said, no, thats not the right thing to do for the country and the interest of the United States government. And they didnt do it. And this president , it seems like its always the reverse. When you say they didnt do it, they, people who might have been republicans, people who might have been democrats, people who were career prosecutors. This has been tested over and over again. And generally speaking, the apparatus and the structure and the spine of the Justice Department has survived this sort of effort to influence it. Correct. And its not just the career folks. I would even say the political folks. I mean, i remember one occasion in which there was a white house official who was trying to lean on me to do something and i said i will resign before that. And that wasnt an uncommon thing. I mean, if there was ever pressure put on someone in a way, they would do the right thing and say, no, i wont do that or ill resign. They dont go and do the president s bidding and then go give some, you know, speech about how it makes it impossible to do their job. But then they continue doing the job in the way the president wants them to do it. Neal, always good to talk to you. Thank you. Just ahead, we are going to talk about the trump primary challenger. The former governor bill weld and his take on the growing crisis at the Justice Department. 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Im not happy with him. You think im supposed to be happy with him . Im not. Lieutenant colonel vindman. President trump is sending a signal that the pentagon should look into disciplining vindman. Sent him on his way to a much different location. Dad, im sitting here today in the u. S. Capitol. You made the right decision 40 years ago to leave the soviet union and come here to the United States of america in search for a better life. Do not worry. The military will handle them any way they want. I will be fine for telling the truth. What a great ad pointing to just one still picture of vindman and showing you what everything that vindman had on his uniform jacket meant about what that man has done for america. Its an ad by the lincoln project, which is an organization of republicans committed to defeating trump in 2020 after trump removed the decorated veteran Lieutenant ColonelAlexander Vindman from his and his brother, by the way, his twin brother from the white house. He had testified on november 19th in the impeachment trial. He was removed two days after all but one republican senator voted to acquit donald trump, including this particular republican senator. I believe that the president has learned from this case. What do you believe the president has learned . The president has been impeached. Thats a pretty big lesson. Well, donald trump told reporters he wanted the army to investigate colonel vindman. But today, the army flat out shot down that request. And heres what senator susan collins, the last remaining Congressional Republican from new england, has to say now. All right. One republican who has a lot to say about President Trump is this man. Former Massachusetts Governor bill weld. Im going to talk to him in a minute about running for president. Burg watergate, he was a counsel on the House Judiciary Committee. But bill weld, also running for the republican nomination against President Trump. Governor, good to see you again. Thank you for joining me. Thank you, ali. Governor, you and i spoke on the morning after the New Hampshire primary. This had not this other story had not ripened at that point. This whole story about bill barr and donald trump and the roger stone story. It is kind of remarkable. I was just talking to neal katyal about this. Bill barr has spun this tale about what the Justice Department is and how it works. That is not in keeping with our traditions or perhaps with your understanding of what its supposed to be doing. Ali, im just sick about the whole thing with the Justice Department. I was inspired to go into Law Enforcement by my work on the nixon impeachment. And i got there and i served seven years in the department, under ronald reagan. Five as a u. S. Attorney and two as in a pretty good job as assistant attorney general of the United States in charge of the criminal division. First among equals in washington. And my entire time there, i was dedicated to trying to keep politics out of Law Enforcement. And ive never seen anything so brazen as what the president and attorney general barr are trying to do and doing on a daily basis. I mean, when when a. G. Barr said the president s making it impossible for me to do my job, what he meant was, mr. President , youre blowing my cover. Dont call attention to what im doing. And, you know, when i was at criminal and steve trott and lowell jensen, all career prosecutors, longtime prosecutors, there was sort of an informal Death Penalty for anyone who interfered with the u. S. Attorneys office in the field doing what they thought had to be done. And that was that was a golden era of Law Enforcement. And the president and his attorney general, who auditioned for the job, are trashing that entire tradition. And with it goes the rule of law and the idea of a government of laws and not of men and women. And i want to remind everybody, you are a republican. And everybody weve had on here who was a former department of justice employee has the same thing to say. That there have always been pressures. There have always been political pressures. Theres always been white houses which wanted the attorney general and the Justice Department to do certain things. But this level of interference is unforeseen. Its not something weve ever seen before and its not something anybody would have expected. Its unprecedented. And when i received hints from ranking people in the government that maybe i should go slow or fast on a case because someone was a friend to the president , i was gone. I resigned and that was a good job. And so did the Deputy Attorney general of the United States. And so did his top two aides and to did my top two aides. We werent fussing around because the principle of the rule of law and keeping politics out of Law Enforcement was at the core of our professional commitment. So youre doing more than what most people who have made a National Past time out of lamenting this but for the rest of us, what are the options here . March 31st, bill barr goes before the House Judiciary Committee, for which you are counsel. What can possibly come out of that . I think the attorney general is way over the line. I think the memo he sent in to Rod Rosenstein was an audition for the job of a. G. He has persuaded the president that, in the president s words, i have this thing called article ii of the constitution. It says i can do whatever i want. I believe that came straight from bill barr. Bill barr used to be a good, strong guy, by the way. This is a new person to me. And, you know, he has said that the president , basically, has absolute power when he is exercising an enumerated power under the constitution, he cant be questioned. It doesnt matter if he took 100 million bribe to do it. If its something he has the right to do, he cant be questioned. Well, thats so, obviously, not the law. Its ludicrous. Except what the president s lawyers argued in the impeachment case, theres also a National Interest involved he is covered. Not a lot of people believe that argument but that seems to be that is that is also ludicrous, as is the president s claim that because he heeds article ii, that article i, the congress has no Oversight Authority over him. That flies in the plain language of the constitution. So you just its hard to imagine a more effrontery and the president and i regret to say this but bill barr are displaying here. Governor, again, you are a man whos been in the arena the whole time and you are still in the arena. On tuesday, you participated in the republican primary in New Hampshire. And i just want to put the numbers up here. You got 9. 1 of the vote. Donald trump got 85. 6 of the vote. Notwithstanding you got an uphill battle to take him on in the election and i just want to maybe put up on the screen the number of states in which primaries have essentially been cancelled. You know, youre not going to have a fair chance to go up against him. What is the fact that you got 9. 1 of that vote tell you about the election in november . Well, i think we can do better than that in supertuesday. Ive got massachusetts, vermont, colorado, california, utah. Pretty good states for me. So i think as as people come to realize that there is an alternative to President Trump in the republican party, and that would be me, and im Still Standing and we are going forward. I think we can do better than that. And that will, you know, be even more of a hole in the ss trump ship below the water line. And, you know, steve bannon said that if the president loses 3 to 4 of, in his words, quote, traditional republican vote, close quote, then the president cant be reelected. 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Just how strong is the support for donald trump in his 2020 Reelection Campaign . Well, last week, a gallup poll showed donald trump with a 49 Approval Rating. Thats the highest in gallup since he took office in 2017. But this poll is an outlier. Trump has never, at any point in his presidency, in any Credible National poll, hit 50 . In fact, in four recent postimpeachment poll, President Trumps Approval Rating never got near 50 . They were 41, 41, 44, and 43. Now, in a new university of texas Texas Tribune poll, President Trump is underperforming with texas voters. These numbers still look favorable for him. But 48 of voters in texas, which trump won in 2016 by five points, now say they would vote to reelect donald trump. The poll also shows the president narrowly leading all of the top Democratic Candidates in texas within the polls margin of error. But its important to note that trump did not receive a majority of the vote in any of these headtohead polls. Joining me now, Michael Moore, Academy Award winning filmmaker. Recently, launched his new podcast rumble with Michael Moore. Michael, what do you make of all of this . Donald trump, whether or not it seems reasonable, hit an alltime high in that particular poll. In the week he was impeached. Yeah. Well, no. In the week that he was acquitted. So america loves a winner. So im not surprised that that people that may have just hung up the phone in previous weeks when pollsters called, they might have said, yeah, all right. Beat the system. Thats we are that way, as americans. But, no, i think, listen. Let me real concern here. There is a real underlying concern. No. No. And i want to speak to this. But i first want to preface that anything that sounds like optimism coming out of my mouth, i want people to, at home, to know that nobody can slow down or think that they dont have any work to do between now and november. Right. Everybody has to be off the bench and involved in a significant way or there will be four more years of donald trump. Having said that, i think that the what weve seen recently is that trump is actually very beatable. I mean, i know a lot of people, especially democrats, theyre very nervous. Theyre very afraid. Who do we pick . Its got to be the person whos going to beat him. All the polls have shown the last few months theres at least three to four democrats that beat trump. Every headtohead poll, the democrat wins. You know more than most people, the headtohead polls dont show you how it breaks down. I know this especially because of what happened in 2016 and what i tried to warn democrats about. In states like michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, that if the candidate, if the party, decides to flip off a state and literally not go, like to wisconsin. Like, thats what happened in 16. Candidate the democratic candidate did not go there. In michigan, it was even weirder. We couldnt get yard signs. I mean, literally, nobody could get a yard sign. And finally, when i was making my film the year after and i talked to one of the top people in the dnc, the hillary campaign, i said just a quick question here. How come we couldnt get yard signs in michigan . And he knew the answer. I said you mean it was on purpose . He said, oh, yeah, yeah. We decided that it wouldnt be a good idea for trump voters to see a lot of hillary signs on the road or on the street because it would remind them, every day, that they had to get out there and vote. I said so you made a decision out of fear . You were afraid of trump so so you thought people werent going to know there was an election going on if you didnt put a hillary sign in the yard . I mean, this is this is what is killing me about democrats and people who are going to vote democratic. To be in this sense of this place of fear. Trump is not some invincible, you know, large iron giant thats going to crush everybody. He is disliked. Hes the most disliked president thats run for office, certainly an incumbent president since i hate to say it, jimmy carters numbers were pretty low. Was a great man. But theres no way that people should be as afraid of him and, frankly, the more you sink into your despair, the more that you just are in this state of anxiety, the the more power you give trump. That state of anxiety is shared by a lot of people. Weve lived through three years of this. But you, in particular, you come from a blue collar place. Youre you you have that background. Youre a white man in america. And when we look at the numbers of people and i only have a high school education. So im a trump demographic. Correct. So look at the Congressional Election study in october and november of 2016 shows that 12 of people who voted in that primary reported voting for Bernie Sanders. Youre a Bernie Sanders supporter. Yep. Then in november, they voted for trump. Correct. Right. Yes, thats what happens. And it was even worse in 2008. 15 of people who voted for hillary in the primaries, between her and barack obama, 15 of hillary voters voted for john mccain. Even more in 2008, democrats who voted for hillary, voted for the republican. More than what than the so what does that tell you . It tells me, by 16, we got better because there were fewer bernie voters from the primaries who decided to vote for trump. But many of those voters, their economic concerns are the same. Both Bernie Sanders and donald trump have tapped into a rich vein of frustration. Thats a polite way to put it. People in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and elsewhere, are more than pissed off at what has gone on. And a lot of people who didnt necessarily like trump saw him as this human molotov cocktail they could throw into a system they wanted to blow up essentially. Well, enough of those people by the end i think saw the error of that. Do you believe that to be true . Yes. Yes. Do you think they get that their wages are not up significantly . That the stock markets at record a high but its not affecting their life . Of course. Theyre living it. Why every time we see those farmers affected by the trade war saying were sticking by trump . I know. I see that on tv and im just thinking this is bad casting or something. I dont know where they find i shouldnt say that because i spent a couple weeks in iowa. And it was so the the level of fear and frustration was so low. I mean, low in the sense that people were low. The level of frustration was high. Level of frustration was high. People were very depressed. And they dont really know where to go or what to do. The question that keeps getting asked, especially on this network on all the shows, how is it that bernie is so far ahead . Why is he still number one . Now, hes ten points ahead of number two in todays poll. And 70 of young, adult voters in texas say theyre for bernie. And you or how about this statistic . This is just last weekend. The candidate that has the most contributions from active duty service members, active duty military, is Bernie Sanders. Why dont we hear that . Why dont we know that . Why dont why dont we i i think that i think its i think its confounded the pundit class, too. I think its been how did he get here . Why would people hes not going to win. Oh, really . Well, i think youre about to youre the same people who told us trump wasnt going to win. Are guys like you, and be honest with me because we grew up sharing an international border, can is Bernie Sanders the guy who can create a coalition, really . Because we know a lot of people who say Bernie Sanders isnt a democrat really and if he runs, im not voting for him. How do you address that, honestly . This is just Michael Moore and ali velshi, no cameras here. I can tell you exactly how i have been addressing it. First of all, i know bernie. Ive known him for 30 years. You dont see this part in the clips on tv. But he is hes a person that is he says this all the time in his speeches. I never see it. He talks about love and compassion. Love and compassion. He really does like the people that hes running with or running against, you know, on that democratic stage. He doesnt when i was out there last week in New Hampshire, every day we get a memo from the from the campaign saying, please, remember, be kind. Be kind. Dont yes, have the policy debate. Have the disagreement. But only talk about actions. Dont talk about a personality thing. Its wrong. Its wrong just on a human level. His whole point from the campaign, its it it but, still, people watching this right now. Theyre going, i dont know, can he win . Can he win . And its that jittery, that nervous thing that what part of this dont they understand . And i think that sometimes look in life, theres not going to be anything thats absolutely certain. And youre going to have to youre going to have to take a bit of a risk in your own mind. 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And that also contributed to the 2016 outcome. So what i say is that why dont we look at all of the voters . Not just the 77,000. But the Diverse Coalition that youre going to need. And if a million black people stayed home, if turnout dropped among people of color in these critical states because, remember, black people live in wisconsin, as well then that that is also a place where democrats can surely benefit in focusing on turnout. Because any democrats going to get 90 of the black vote. But it matters how many votes that actually ends up being. Cristina, what do you think. I think she is exactly right. I think democracy is on the ballot. And one of the big issues in this election is how do you turn nonvoters into voters . So rather than simply looking for the same types of voters, i think we have one task in this election, right, which is get rid of a tyrant and get rid of enablers of tyranny, right . So really thinking about this in a more democratic and broadway. Its about transforming, you know, the whole vision of what we are trying to do in an election. And i think that, you know, for me thats one of the issues i have a little bit with bloomberg is i feel like were looking for someone to rescue us. And i think something we really have to take seriously in this election is that we are going to save ourselves. So whoever the candidate is, thats one question. But the bigger question is, who are we . The 2018 election actually showed a bit of what she is talking about. The idea that there were downballot races. There were independent, you know, people who were otherwise not politicized. Young people, women, people of color, women of color, who ran for office and actually won. It was people saving themselves. How does that become victory in 2020 . Well, i think what it it should tell us that to christinas point, not look for the savior. We are never going to find the perfect and safe candidate thats definitely going to beat donald trump. This is an american election. Those are usually close. And so what we need to do is build the coalition and in order to do that, you pick the candidate that that elicits enthusiasm from the base of the democratic party, which is a coalition of people of color. And if you dont start there, then youre doing it wrong. You dont start with the 77,000. You start with the core of the party. The everybody else. You wouldnt ask the republicans to to start, you know, with the john kasich voters and forget the base. So we should not do that on our side. We should focus on exciting black and brown voters. And you do that through speaking directly to their issues. Cristina, arguably, every candidate who came out of New Hampshire said they were the one to do that. Everybodys speech was about that. I am the one who can build the coalition. Yeah. Who are viewers, who are people who are watching these things, supposed to believe . How do you discern who is . Because thats the ultimate strategic voting, right . How do you determine that . I know. I think its really hard to play pundit, right . I mean, basically every single one of these we dont have a transcendent candidate this year. I think the way bill clinton sort of eventually popped out or the way obama did, i think every one of these candidates has amazing strengths. They galvanize certain segments of the electorate but they dont galvanize every segment of the electorate or they risk losing one part of it or the possibility of gaining another. So i think that rather than thinking about it sort of strategically and tactically, people should think who excites me . Whose agenda do i believe in . And then fight like hell. If your commitment is to defeating trump, i think each and every one of us have to ask ourselves what am i doing in the next nine months . What groups am i organizing with . Like, what am i doing to transform this electorate . Am i talking to my family members . 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Bidens in second with 18 . Warrens in third with 13 . Tom steyer who has been spending a lot of time and money in that state is at 11 . Pete buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar are at 10 . Joe biden just wrapped up a town hall in henderson, nevada. We talked to some voters to see how theyre feeling about the democratic primary. Here are two voters, joe and leslie, talking about what theyre looking for in a candidate. Im a strong supporter of joe biden. Why is that . I like everything he stands for. I just think hes the one to beat trump. Trump has to go. Thats it. And i want the most honest and authentic human being, the most empathetic human being thats possible to get in there. My grandmother was a democratic socialist. My mother was. I am. I want joe. But even biden volunteer ryan phelps says he will support anyone as long as its not trump. Its not like races in the past where theres been a clear frontrunner. I dont know what to expect. I think its healthy and important for us to have a robust primary. Im going to support whoever the nominee is. And do everything i can to make them be the next president of the United States. I think most democrats will. And hopefully most of the candidates right now will encourage their supporters to do that. Zerlina maxwell and Christina Beltran are back with me. You heard ryan say, zerlina, im going to support whoever the nominee is. I think most democrats will do that. Thats a really important statement. Is that true . Will most democrats most people we talk to say that, but in the end will people come out if Bernie Sanders is the candidate . Will people who dont like Elizabeth Warren come out for her . Will people of color come out for Amy Klobuchar because shes ranking kind of zero with them right now . Is Michael Bloomberg going to trip up too many times . What do you think . Well, i think the question is will they come out . Yes, if they have a reason. So if the democrats who are putting forward their plans, you know, the Amy Klobuchars and the Pete Buttigiegs of the world, they cant start with, you know, a sentence like, well, im really trying to get the support of the black community. What are how . How are you doing that . What are you giving them so that they can show up and support you . And, you know, Pete Buttigieg has put forward a specific plan, the douglas plan for black america. And black voters can read that plan and assess for themselves whether or not they think he can achieve and whether or not it will improve their lives. But its those kinds of plans, the details, speaking directly to that community. Thats how you get voters to turn out. So whether or not amy and pete can put in the work and earn those votes is an open question. Yeah. Because part of that comes through time and trust. And thats the advantage that a joe biden has. Elizabeth warren is another, i think, undercovered candidate in the sense that shes building slowly. So shes hiring staffers of color. That is a very important factor when youre considering campaigns. Who are the people standing behind the candidate talking through the policy details with them and how its going to impact those communities of color . Are those staffers white and have no relationship to those communities, no connection to those communities, or are those actually the Community Leaders themselves, the black lives matter activists, the Movement Leaders who are informing those policies . So i would advise, you know, encourage voters listening to go take a look at who folks have hired, what staffers are advising these campaigns so that they can actually authentically speak to communities of color and build those coalitions so they turn out in november. Zerlina is talking about the douglas plan, Pete Buttigiegs plan. A number of these candidates have got developed plans, particularly for disadvantaged communities, communities of color, and not all of them like Mike Bloomberg has been doing are tripping over themselves about that stuff. Right. Elizabeth warren has been very strong this week about redlining. Mmhmm. A lot of these candidates have plans and theres a sense that amongst communities of color and disadvantaged communities in america, they have a sensibility about these policies that they might find attractive in these candidates. Oh, no, i think definitely. I think whats interesting is also the difference between familiarity and being accountable to these communities because we have a long history. Bill clinton went on arsenio hall and he played the sax and he felt very comfortable with communities of color. Yep. He did enormous violence and harm to those communities as well like the 94 crime bill which biden was also a part of, the immigration laws. 1996 welfare reform laws did enormous damage to legal immigrants. Thats talking about bill clinton. I think one of the things these campaigns have to say, someone like a klobuchar or buttigieg have to say, i know you know me less. I think you have to judge me by what i will do and not just by the fact that i seem comfortable in these communities. Its more than comfort. Its about being accountable. Thank you for that. Christina beltran and Zerlina Maxwell, thank you for joining me tonight. Tomorrow, catch the premiere of my new show, velshi, airing saturdays and sundays from 8 00 a. M. To 10 00 a. M. Our first show, why Michael Bloomberg is seeing a surge in africanamerican support in spite of a week of racially tinged controversy. That is tonights last word. The 11th hour with brian of tinged controversy. That is tonights last word. 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