The house floor. The chairman, jerry nadler of new york, choosing to speak with his gavel. Certain right to do what he did, he did violate rules of common courtesy between the parties on the committee. Republicans then proceeded to blast nadler for the chairman nadler just needed his staff and the rest of the majority who sat their quietly and be sure nothing, this is why they dont like us because they know its all about games and these tv anscreens. Its all about have they want the prime time hit. This is speakers pelosi and the others directing the come on et. I need to say what hit does this committee need to do because this committee hlost. The debate began with its first sessionhe yesterday eveni, continued through the day today and into the night. Republicansin offered up a seri of amendments that they knew would be voted down along party lines. There was fierce sparring between remembers dems and republicans turnover charges against the president. The entire argument for impeachment in this case is based on a charge that is not a crime. Much less a high crime that has never been approved by the house of representatives in a president ial impeachment before, ever in history. There are no crimes here . That is the defense my colleagues across the aisle are putting forward . The president committed the highest crime against the constitution by abusing his office. The president had offered to give military aid if he got an investigation against his political rival and his political rival happened to be joe biden, and he knew that that was navid conspicuously using Public Office and public money for public and private desires. Democrats have not afforded this president basic procedure protections, such as therd righ to see all the evidence, the right to call witnesses, or the right to have counsel at hearings. The partisan showdown got personal quickly when trump ally matt gaetz, republican of florida, brought up Hunter Bidens job with the ukrainian gas company, burisma, and his history of substance abuse. That was enough for one Democratic Committee member who pointed out gaetzs own past arrest forn dui which then brought a plea for the panel to stay focused on the business at hand. I would say that the pot the calling kettle black is not something that we should do. I dont know [ laughter ] i dont know what members, if any, have had problems with substance abuse, been busted in dui. I dont know. But if i did, i wouldnt raise it against anyone on this committee. Ai there are issues for the election, and then there are issues for this committee. S the behavior of Vice President bidens son and, frankly, the be behavior of President Trumps two sons and daughter may be discussed in the election. But here were talking about the abuse of president ial authority. For the record there, congressman johnson was referring to matt gaetz, his arrest 11 years ago indeed for a dui. Even during a break in todays hearing, republicans maintained their defense of President Trump, particularly the president s claim that his actions stemmed from concerns about corruption in ukraine and not his political rival. Is it the position of the republicans that the president didnt ask for an investigation into the bidens . This goes back to the whole issue of what the president has felt all along that corruption in the ukraine was a problem. Thats where hes been did he say corruption in the call . Again, it goes back to an issue he doesnt say because so its still your contention even though he didnt bring up s corruption in either of these calls that corruption is actually what he was focused on and not joe biden . It has been. Theres nothing to change here because thats the facts. Do you wish the president be hadnt brought up joe biden . I think the protocol is fine as is. You heard the president s concern has been corruption all along. While all this was going on, the president was unleashing an avalanche on twitter, well over 100 Different Social Media er posts, including this one which seemed to hint at the basis for a future defense, more of a look over there defense. Why arent germany, france, and other European Countries helping ukraine more . They are the biggest beneficiaries. Why is it always the good old United States . The radical left do nothing in democrats never mention this as their phony hearing. In all 31 House Democrats represent districts that trump won in 2016. There are now increasing signs that republicans are taking aim at them with a protrump ad campaign. The verdict is in. A rigged process. A sham impeachment. No quid pro quo. But pelosis witch hunt continues. One democrat congressman calledh it hopelessly partisan. Another oneel like you would se in thirdworld nations. Your money, wasted. Your priorities ignored. Indeed nbc news reports that House Democrats are now actively trying to convince vulnerable democrats to come over onto their side to oppose the impeachment articles. According to one source, republicans are focusing ong upwards of eight democrats who have indicated they may be undecided. Earlier today Speaker Pelosi wai asked what she is telling members of her democratic caucus. I have no message to them. We are not whipping this legislation nor do we ever whip Something Like this. People have to come to their own conclusions. Theyve seen the facts and the intelligence committee. Theyve seen the constitution as they know it. Nd they take an oath to protect and defend it, but they see the io constitutional experts speak about it. Theyll make their own decisions. I dont say anything to them. E the white house is now looking ahead to the inevitability of a senate trial. Today white House CounselPat Cipollone met with Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell on capitol hill. Earlier tonight mcconnell spoke about strategizing with the administration. Everything i do during this im coordinating with white House Counsel. There will be no difference between the president s position and our position. But well be working through this process hopefully in a fairly short period of time. Theres no chance the president s going to be removed from office. My hope is that there wont be a single republican who votes for either of these articles of impeachment. Sean, it wouldnt surprise me if we got one or two democrats. This is a really weak case, and thats why you will see bipartisan opposition to the articles over in the house. Here for our leadoff discussion on an early friday morning, maya wily, former u. S. Assistant attorney for the Southern District of new york with a new school here in new york. Kurt bardella, the former spokesman for the House Oversight committee, also happens to be a former republican who left the party to become a democrat. Hes now a contributor to usa today and to nbcnews. Com. In washington, jonathan allen, our Nbc News National Political reporter. Rick wilson, republican strategist, author of the book running against the devil. Ron klain, former chief counsel of the senate judiciary, former chief of staff to al gore and former chief of staff of joe biden who these days is an informal adviser to the biden effort. And former u. S. Attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. Sorry, everybody. Thats all the time we have. Thank you for coming. Just kidding. You do wonder what other broadcasts are doing since we have all the guests at this hour. Were going to make good use of them. Ron klain, id like to begin with you with the last thing we just heard from Mitch Mcconnell. Is there anything wrong with the white House Counsel and the majority leader in the senate as you heard them, working hand in hand, step by step . Is there anything ethically wrong with it that you can see . Well, its certainly not what the constitution intends. The constitution gives the congress the house the power to impeach the president. The senate, the specific constitutional duty to try the president. Peter baker is the expert on the clinton impeachment. I was in the Clinton White house then. What ill tell you is that basically the democrats and the republicans came together to kind of come up with procedures to make the trial a reasonable and serious process. What weve seen here is a very partisan approach by the republicans, and i think what you saw in the house today in particular was an effort to demean the process, to diminish the process, to make it even more political, to make it even more partisan. And so its not surprising to me that Mitch Mcconnells doing that, but its certainly not what either the democrats or the republicans did the last time we had an impeachment trial. Kurt, you have been madly texting back and forth with folks you know inside the room where it happened tonight. What can you add to our reporting . It was with Eric Swalwell asking him about this abrupt decision to end the hearing. Heres what he said. He said i dont understand their complaints, the republicans complaints we heard, especially doug collins at that microphone. They think we should vote in the dead of night. They want people to see what were doing. Its a vote from impeachment. They do not want to have the headline that in the dead of night, late hours, no one watching, they took this historic vote. They want to do this during broad daylight. Its interesting that weve heard for days now republicans complain about the process being too quick. Now theyre saying its too slow. Weve seen them complain about not having enough say during these hearings and not having enough people watching and engaging and here theyre saying were going to do this in front of everybody, front of the the American People during Daylight Hours when people are paying attention. Why would republicans be against that . Let me ask devils advocate. I know youre not their spokesperson, but why does it take your text from Eric Swalwell to get that point out . Where was a democrat at the microphones . Where was a simple explanation from the chairman before we heard the gavel and the audible gasps . That was the last we heard of the democrats tonight until tomorrow morning. I think they believe that ultimately the vote theyre going to have tomorrow will speak for itself. They dont need to go before the cameras. Its interesting. Republicans were complaining that this move was about getting tv cameras and trying to play to the media. Yet theyre the only ones front of the cameras in this case. Democrats werent politicizing this. They made their decision. They announced when the hearing is going to be, and theyre going to let that vote speak for itself. They dont feel the need to come before the cameras right now and do that. John allen, same question. Ive never heard anybody complain about a 14hour hearing being recessed at 11 00 p. M. Before. Theres a bit of a situation here like the child that kills his parents goes before the judge and begs for mercy because hes now an orphan. There was going to be an argument here whether they had the vote tonight, there was going to be an argument if they had it in the morning. Weve heard arguments from republicans about the process no matter what the process has been. I think that what Garrett Haake was reporting earlier tonight, what kurts reporting today is absolutely right that the democrats simply felt like it was better for them to do this in daylight rather than spend the next year hearing about how they did it in the dead of night. All of us whove been on capitol hill before, for a long time includes ron and kurt and garrett earlier tonight. We know that the thing that gets talked about most as an you fair an unfair process move is any vote that happens after midnight. Jerry nadler obviously had his eye on the clock and made sure he gaveled out before then. All right. Joyce vance, bring us into the law. Did you hear any novel republican defense tonight . Did you hear a republican defense that they can throw in a wheelbarrow, take through the capitol to the Senate Chamber and use it as part of their defense . So short answer, brian, no. We didnt see anything new today and still the president has given the republicans virtually nothing to work with when it comes to a defense. I think theyre essentially down to throwing spaghetti up the wall and trying to make a mess thats so bad that no one can see through it. If i could agree with ron a little bit on this, i think shocking videotape we have of Mitch Mcconnell on fox tonight, what weve now seen is the foreman of the jury fixing the outcome of the trial with the defendants lawyer. Not only does it violate the separation of powers obligation in the constitution, but the senate engage in oversight of the executive branch, it will also violate the special oath of office that every senator has to take going into an impeachment trial to try the case based on the facts. So all weve seen today from the republicans is an effort to disguise, to try to confuse the public, and at the end make sure that they fix outcome of the trial in favor of President Trump. Rick wilson, what is it about this committee that attracts, oh, shall we say, a different breed of member of congress often . I mean, look, i dont want to say that doug collins is a screeching histrionic drama queen, but that would insult histrionic drama queens. But this whole thing is a bad faith effort, it is performative in every way. Every one of these guys in this committee are out there waving their junk around to the maximum degree to distract from the fact that the president committed crimes high and otherwise in the course of trying to extort a foreign power to manipulate a United States election. They know that. They get that. But they are very disciplined and structured. They know exactly what theyre doing. Theyre playing for the fox cameras and playing for their siloed set of media that the trump fan base watches and listens to. And theyre trying, as joyce said, to basically frame this so it goes to the after at and to the senate and Mitch Mcconnell can say, my guys in the house said it was unfair, so nope, 51 votes, youre out, were done. That is going to be an interesting legacy question. I think it really is an interesting point because Mitch Mcconnell as a political survivor is a very smart guy. He may be buying his folks a problem because this isnt really over. Were going to learn more about ukraine and the defenses the republicans mounted in the house were all bs. Were going to learn theres a lot under the surface, its a fecal iceberg. You only see the stinky part on the top. Theres a lot more underneath the water still. Wow. Bringing the imagery very early in the morning on a friday. Rick, i dont know how to thank you for that. I move to strike the last word, brian. Gentleman will be recognized when im ready. Maya wiley youre coming to me after that . Well, this touching on a legal conversation you and i were having. Having nothing to do with icebergs, junk, or histe onnics. And that is the factgathering process that continues yes. Beneath the surface of the water to go with the iceberg. Yes. So first of all, you know, we have to remember that the house has a number of investigations that are unrelated to these articles of impeachment. Right. That are ongoing. Thats why the earlier conversation we had about the ongoing litigation on subpoenas matter because if we get confirmation from the Supreme Court that, yes, in fact, you cant just tell a former senior aide you cant go testify, you can ignore a congressional subpoena, or if you can impose what is one of these articles of impeachment an absolute unequivocal we wont give you a thing congress, because we dont want to, not even actually saying heres our privilege. We just dont want to. Thats the kind of thing that will continue to be an issue. As weve seen, adam schiff has said we continue to investigate. Is there sufficient evidence . Absolutely. Have we seen a congress a Republican Party in particular raise not one objection, not one objection to a president that has stolen their gavel . That is crowning a king. Ron klain, i need an honest answer before we need to fit in a commercial and keep this whole gang around. When democrats get together, what do you do with the kind of the end of the day knowledge that we all know where this thing is heading, and we kind of all know how this thing is going to end up, how do you stay up and stay in the game because this is obviously important to your party . Look, i think theyre doing the right thing, which is trying to play it straight, do their jobs, talk about the facts, talk about the law, and let both ultimately the voters this coming fall be the judge and history be the judge and let their consciences be the judge. Usually youre talking about the other side. Republicans of the house tried to make the thing in the circus enough they were willing to put on clown suits themselves to make the thing into a circus, and i think the democrats need to defend the process. The republicans cannot defend the president , theyre demeaning the process. The democrats need to defend the process and need to go about this in the proper way. And i think thats the thing that will do them the best as this unfolds. All of our guests nice enough to be with us at 12 20 a. M. On a friday night have agreed to stay with us over the break as we talk about where this process heads next exactly as the 11th hour, make that closer to the 12th, continues. loud fan noise children playing Music Building experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list sales event. Sign and drive off in a new lincoln with zero down, zero due at signing, and a complimentary first months payment. Here, it all starts withello hi . How can i help . A data plan for everyone. Everyone . 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Joining our conversation is our longtime political analyst and veteran journalist jonathan altar. Curt pall bardella, jonathan allen, ron klain, and joyce vance, the few, the proud, the brave. Mr. Alter, i havent seen you in a long time. I want to get you on the record with what we have just witnessed today and on where you think were headed. This is what accountability feels like, and this is what the process is supposed to do. I actually think its an night. We are about to hold this criminal president accountable. You know, you see the signs curb your dog. Were cushing him. A leash is about to be put on him, a collar. Does that mean hes going to be removed from office . No. But he is being called to account. There is a reckoning that is taking place and its a very positive thing for this country. Let me hold you to that and let me quote again the work of maggie and peter. Are you going to be cool with it when you heard him do it right after the Mueller Report came out. He got the attorney general, total exoneration, are you going to be cool with him . He has been completely cleared, exonerated, in fact t a badge of honor . Of course hes going to say is that. Thats what he says about everything. That wont be a surprise. Remember, we have a great economy going on right now. He should be at about 65 in the polls. Hes at about 41 . Most of the country isnt buying it any more. They know that he doesnt tell the truth. He doesnt have credibility when he calls it a witchhunt. His 25 solid support will say, yeah, its a witchhunt. The other 15 , we like the economy, were not so sure its a witchhunt. Most people get something bad took place here. If a democratic president had done this, you can bet the republicans would have been all over him. A and, by the way, in hunter biden had done something so terrible, and joe biden, why didnt they investigate when they had complete control of the congress . Hunter biden went on that board years ago. If this was so terrible, so in need of investigation, why didnt they do it . It was trumped up, brian, so that he could go out on the campaign and after zelensky made this announcement, he could then have his crowds chant, lock him up about joe biden. And then he would do just what they did to Hillary Clinton with those emails. He would take that all the ways to the election that biden was a crook. And that was a message that the ukrainians might have helped him drive. He cant do that any more. Ron crane, let me posit 24. I can mike an argument. Its donald trump who owns the bidens family story now, that everything we know about burisma and hunter, including what may be his monthly salary as a board member, may not. Everything we know weve learned from the other side. Let me further posit that joe biden doesnt have an answer that is serviceable, that he can return to, and this has been the source of much of the trauma, the Biden Campaign has been suffering and will continue to until they finalize an answer. I think thats just completely wrong, brian. First fs all you can hunter biden sat down for an interview with abc where he answered every single question about this. He has answered the questions. As for the vicepresident , you know, he also answered questions the last two debates about this, and on the stump, when he gets asked by journalists. Not so much by voters. They see what this is. They see this is just an effort by trump to distract from his misconduct, from what he did wrong just as jonathan was saying a second ago, about the fact if the House Republicans are so concerned about this, they could have done something about it. They arent because its fake, its phony and this is trumps effort to distract from the conduct. As for the vicepresident and his campaign, i think there are two things. One, the hearings in the House Intelligence Committee featured trump appointees. One after the other saying vicepresident biden did his job, not democrats, Republican Trump appointees acknowledging the vicepresident did his job on ukraine appropriately. I think its a great credit to the vicepresident and how had he handled it and the political ramifications. Hes doing just fine in the polls and in the campaign. I think democratic voters see this for what it is. A smear job by the president , an effort to distract from his own misconduct and wrongdoing. Rick wilson, the same question. Including the suggestion, my assertion that the story of the bidens has been stolen by one donald trump. I think ron is largely correct on this, that they are starting to push bianack on it. I think it is incumbent for them to focus on 2020 which is a referendum on trump. I think they are showing righteous anger the way he has gone after hunter biden has benefited him. It is a risk factor biden presents to him. You have to constantly be on offense against trump. You can never try to defend yourself or get your message out or try to clarify. You have to go back up into his grill. You have to keep kicking the minute you start attacking trump, you have to stay at it. Republicans learned that lesson the hard way in 2016 where they would go on stage with one canned trump joke. He would do his insult comic thing for half an hour. So youve got to always be on him. Biden, it is incumbent on biden to keep turning his back on trump and back on him. Our guests are going to stay with us. Anyone i didnt get to i will get to in the next segment. Were going to fit in another break. Our conversation continues on the other side. The defense or excuse is that President Trump wanted to investigate corruption. Thats just laughable on its face. If you want if President Trump wanted to investigate corruption, he can start at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. Look in the mirror. Or he could look around the cast of criminals that have been indicted from his circle. A little louisiana common sense from eye member of congress tonight. The the New York Times reporting the Trump Campaign thinks impeachment is helping with voter enthusiasm. Annie carn ee and our friend Maggie Haberman report it this way. While mr. Trump has ruled the fact that impeachment might tarnish his legacy, his top political advisors presented the unfoeding proceeding as nothing but a boost to the campaign and every metric it measures from volunteer recruitment to small donor donations, it lit up our base, mr. Pascual said. They see the vote as trying to be stolen from the 2016 election. Remaining with us, the few, the proud, the brave. Jonathan allen, rick wilson, ron klein and joyce vance. Joyce, counselor, is there a rabbit on the legal side that the democrats can pull out of the hat in the well of the senate, including but not limited to witnesses tactics that perhaps we havent thought of or isnt being discussed at this stage . You know, the real problem that the republicans have is that the time to come up with that defense is already passed. So when these allegations first surfaced, they should have come forward with the defense, whatever it was. Anything that comes up this late in the game looks manufactured. And weve seen that happen along the path as trump began to try and float trial balloons like the fact that he withheld aid because the europeans werent paying their fair share which, of course, is not true. Or the defense that you previewed here, this sort of notion that he withheld aid because he was concerned about corruption, which, of course, flies in the face of the fact that in 2017 and 2018 trump gave aid there was no concern what joe biden did in ukraine while he was there when, in fact, many republicans signed on and applauded what he was doing. Most importantly, they didnt make any effort to investigate hunter biden until joe biden was on the verge of announcing his candidacy. So the time line works against trump. And coming up with new defenses at this stage, as you say in the well of the senate, will look like exactly what it is, trying to manufacture an excuse after the fact for what was clearly an effort to subvert the election with bribery and with the effort to engage a foreign country in one of our elections. Jonathan allen, weve established its late. No one watching at home can hear you. Give me a straightup prediction how Many Democrats are pulled over to the other side in the house and give me a ballpark prediction on the final senate vote. Well, this will end up in a clip on someones website at some point. You know, at the risk of that, look, i think youre talking about no more than mid Single Digits of defections of democrats. Theyre at a point now, you saw the two that voted against their party in the house when this moved forward. For most of these democrats, they felt comfortable then that they would probably vote for impeachment. Each of them, even in difficult districts, knows that they risk losing their base core democratic voters, you know, if they are to vote against impeachment at this point. That there will be plenty of people happy to go out and vote against donald trump and then not vote for their house member if that house member has not voted to impeach him. As far as the senate goes, who knows what information will come out. I do want to address Something Real quick, brian. I think there is an unexplored piece of this that hasnt been talked about. The president s argument one of his arguments, one of his many arguments on this has been the ukraine never knew that he was withholding the money. Most of us sort of take that as ridiculous. Obviously they knew, there was testimony about that. If he was in fact interested in corruption in ukraine and wanted to withhold money from ukraine to see if there were reforms there, the first thing he would have done was told ukraine. He also would have told congress that he was doing that, and he would have said it publicly. He would have said, im withholding this 391 million until i see the reforms that i want in ukraine because that would have been perfectly appropriate to leverage that money for reforms in ukraine if it was broadly about corruption and not about joe biden and not about that crowd strike russian disinformation campaign. It is unusual that he would make the argument that ukraine didnt know because what it does is it shows that he wanted to keep a secret here. It is one of the many things that shows that. Its really been unexplored because it has president been treated as a serious argument by a lot of people in terms of the president having wanted to not tell ukraine. But i think it goes to the motivation there because obviously you could make that trade legally and you would want them to know. Well, thank you for getting that on the rhoecord because th point did come up today. Curt, final question for you. If youre talking about ukraine its because joe and the bidens. We talk about joe biden because he is the front runner. Have the bidens missed an opportunity here in any stage of this . I think theyve missed an opportunity in defining the relationship the biden camp. The biden camp, the family. Theyve missed an opportunity of defining for the morn people really the introduction of the biden family in the political context. So far its been all trumps side of it and the republican side that were hearing. When you allow other people to define for you what the relationship was, what activities were happening, even if theyre flatoutlying about it. Right now theyre hearing one side of what happened and one interpretation of what happened. I think at some point very soon, once we get through the actual impeachment process, biden as a candidate is going to have to stand on the stage and explain thoroughly what actually happened with his son. Does he agree with what happened . Is there something hed like to see differently unfold . And i think he will do that. I think were seeing the first stage was the indignant anger we saw from biden. It was a good thing that biden showed that emotion. The one thing that the vicepresident has in his favor here versus trump is a reservoir of good will with the American People. People view him as authentic, as genuine, as trustworthy. This is a time thats going to come in handy what he puts out there what he thinks his son did. All he has to do is repeat the words his son has said. You know what, i showed some bad judgment. If he says that, this thing moves on and trump will not be able to spend the next year relentlessly trying to paint joe bidens son as some sort of criminal. I think thats what well see. People in california are watching now, brian. The bills and karens out there are paying attention. Absolutely right. Its not 12 43 a. M. In california. Our thanks to our wonderful slate of guests agreeing to stay up way too late here on the east coast after midnight. Jonathan alter, curt, rick wilson, ron klain and joyce vance. 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Back with us, maya wiley for the Southern District of new york. What do you make of that . I make of that a man who knows the fbi and knows that worrying about the press is not something the fbi does when its conducting an investigation why would he say a thing like that . Because he has been the person who has been a recidivist. I know its a lets face it. There is literally an investigation in the context of the impeachment of the president for the very kind of conduct that Rudy Giuliani has now gone back to doing, and Rudy Giuliani himself himself is apparently under investigation for his connections and work in ukraine in his own right. So, again, its almost like hes ripping a page out of Donald Trumps play book, which is distract, distract, distract. As our friend ron popiel made famous, wait, theres more. Do we have the article on lev . T wall street journal has been reporting he has gone back to court and said, this guy should have his bail revoked. He hill a million bucs from a russian account that went to his wife. Reminds me of the old jim croce song, people have to learn this lesson. You dont tug on supermans cape, you dont spit in the wind, you dont lie to the feds. If you can help it, withhold information from the feds because this guy could be in even more trouble now. Oh, absolutely. Not to mention that this is, this is a man who said, i cant afford 200. I can barely pay the 200,000 i have to put down for bail. Then he has a million . I mean, that is thats how people view this. Thats how people view it. And remember that prosecutors make decisions about whether or not they want to deal with you or whether theyre just going to throw the book at you. And these are the kinds of behaviors that make them say, yeah, deal maybe were just going to pick up our big book which is getting heavier and heavier and throw it at you. Boy, thats chilling. Its realworld stuff. 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