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Proceedings. And pelosi versus trump. The speaker of the house is taking the president head on as he attempts to derail the investigation into his ukraine actions. Plus at the end of the show what was the most shocking statement that came out of the Trump Administration this week . It is something that deserves a lot more attention than it got. But first tonight, the National Security threat coming from the white house. Damaging evidence against the president continues to come out of the impeachment investigation, and a blockbuster report in the Washington Post shows just how the president s actions have put u. S. Interests in danger. Thanks to President Trumps habit of using a vulnerable cellphone. Russians possibly knew about his attempts to extort ukraine long before that information was made public, officials tell the post. Phone logs released this week by House Democrats showed multiple calls from trumps personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, to white house phone numbers at critical moments during the Pressure Campaign on ukraine. The calls underscored the degree to which trump and giuliani seemed to have coordinated their efforts. But the post reports that those unsecured calls were just the beginning. According to current and former officials the president speaks with Rudy Giuliani and others, quote, all the time on cellphones. Vulnerable to monitoring by russia and other foreign actors. Quote, it is absolutely a security issue, a former trump aide told the Washington Post. It is a bonanza for them. That trump and his personal lawyer would regularly skirt security protocols in their private chats is of course hypocritical. Recall that the president made an issue about how Hillary Clinton handled Sensitive Information during the 2016 election. We know hillary cant be trusted. Weve learned that with americas security. You take a look at her email situation. Can we trust her with our security . How can hillary manage this country when she cant even manage her emails . We cant have someone in the oval office who doesnt understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. More than that the president s seeming carelessness constitutes a significant threat to National Security. And its not the first time. Remember that just a month into his precedency the president dealt with a north Korean Missile test in the maralago dining room. Then he discussed highly classified intelligence with russian officials in an Oval Office Meeting in may 2017. And as we also learned from the impeachment investigation, he talked loudly about his plot to extort ukraine on a phone call with Eu Ambassador Gordon Sondland. President trump has never been particularly careful in his handling of Sensitive Information. And u. S. Officials suggest to the Washington Post that it was a virtual certainty russia had listened in to the phone calls with giuliani, telling the paper that the kremlin may have been able to learn about, quote, the kremlins attempts to investigate a political rival months before that effort was exposed and could have used those insights to adapt or amplify its propaganda promoting the baseless claim that ukraine rather than russia hacked the Democratic Committee in the 2016 election. One official told the paper that russia likely knows more about trumps conversations with giuliani than impeachment investigators do. Quote, congress and investigators have call records that suggest certain things but have no means whatsoever of getting the actual text of what was said, thats according to john cipher, former deputy in chief to russia operations at the cia. Quote, i guarantee the russians have the actual information. Leading off our discussion tonight are greg miller, National Security correspondent for the Washington Post. Hes the coauthor of that report about President Trumps unsecured phone calls. Rick stengle is a former secretary of state under the Obama Administration and an msnbc political analyst. Hes the author of information wars how we lost the global battle against disinformation and what we can do about it. Glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. Greg, lets start with you. You have done this reporting. You are hearing from people who say the threat is not perceived or possible. It is real. President trump has been warned over and over again by officials who work around him and National Security officials, dont make phone calls on your personal phone. He continues to do it. Yeah. To me one of the more staggering things weve learned and reported in our story was about the efforts of those closest to him to get him to stop doing this. White house chief of staff john kelly urged him to use hard lines in the white house, secure lines when he went back to the residence at night and made phone calls. And he did this for a while. But when he realized that john kelly was then able to track logs of the president s calls and who he was speaking with, trump got annoyed and discontinued the practice and went back with a cellphone. So its not just his disregard for the security protocols that almost all of his predecessors in the office have adhered to, its that he appears to be trying to hide much of his communications from his own staff, from his own people. This is a problem, rick stengel. You have spent much of your life as a journalist. We use phones a lot, we talk to a lot of people. Its probably a hard habit to break. But this is not random. This is the president of the United States. People before him have gone through this. Theyve had to be told someone can listen in on your conversations. Its not just that donald trump seems to be conversations that are casual and checking up on friends, but some of the important stuff we need to know about is stuff not done on the white house logs but done like greg miller said to avoid the scrutiny of his own staff but endangering National Security as a result. Of course its a National Security risk. Now, donald trump tweeted tonight that he had only used government issued cellphones as though that rebutted the Washington Post story. Thats false, too, in the sense that even government issued cellphones are not secure either. And when you think about it, its not just the russians who are listening, and theres probably a halfdozen other nations. And when they know something about what youre saying that your own staff doesnt know much less congress, that is security risk. The russians have kompromat on him in the sense they know he was maneuvering with the ukrainians. They listened to all the ukrainian telephone calls, and that gives them leverage over the ukrainians, too. That is real National Security issue for the United States. Glenn kirschner, the problem here is we know certain things donald trump was saying about ukraine because we know it from the actual memos of the transcript the white house has released. And we think the average person whos not a lawyer can imagine that is compromising. So the idea there are other conversations possibly with Rudy Giuliani who is like wheres waldo, hes in the middle of everything here, we can surmise as rick stengel says, the russians or others have information that our investigators, that congress doesnt even have, that his staff doesnt even have. Yeah, ali, and let me go to sort hof the gravest threat to National Security. In your run up you highlighted the fact the russians exploited the propaganda value and build on that and pour disinformation into for example our social media. But you know what else theyre getting . They are potentially getting information that they can use militarily to decide when they might want to make moves on the ukraine in what everybody calls that hot war that they are involved in, their unlawful aggression into ukraine. Because if theyre overhearing the president of the United States saying things like im going to with hold military aid, i know they want javelins, antitank weapons, theyre not getting them right now i will i get what i want. If youre Vladimir Putin and youre directing your military troops and your efforts to attack ukraine, you think youd want to know that kind of important intelligence about u. S. Military operations. And rick, lets talk about this because you were in the state department and you had to be conscious of the fact that the stuff you talk about is of interest to foreign governments. The New York Times is reporting on Donald Trumps phone habits. When President Trump calls one of his old friends on iphones american intelligence reports indicates that chinese spies are often listening and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work with the president and affect administration policy, current and former american officials said. This is better information than you can get by using spies. Yes. If youre actually hearing from government officials who are forming policy, spies are secondary, tertiary. You dont even need spies in the age of the cellphone. When you walk into the state department as an employee one of the first things they tell you everything you say within the confines of the state department, that is not in a scif is liable to be listened to by any number of other powers. And when those people have information about it, even when he talks to his friends, that is something they go into their Intelligence Service and they use. By the way, to speak to the earlier point, zelensky is meeting with russians on monday to begin negotiations about a possible ceasefire in that dambas region of ukraine. Think about what the russians know about what zelensky can do and cant do based on what the americans have said. They have tremendous leverage weve given them by listening in on our calls. Greg miller, whats your sense on how much youve reported on and people have spoken to you about this how much of this is conjecture, that you could be picked up talking in the state department let alone user your random phone thats not protected by the government . Look, i dont think theres any real chance this is merely conjecture here. Four years ago two american diplomats were surveilled by russian intelligence in ukraine in ukraine where donald trump, Rudy Giuliani, Gordon Sondland and others have having conversations now. And the russians actually leaked that conversation during the Obama Administration as a way of driving a wedge between the United States and europe. I mean, they have substantial intelligence capabilities in ukraine, and it is a former soviet state that they pay extremely close attention to. So i just really dont think were talking about theoretical risks here. Glenn kirschner, i think the line that stood out to me the most was that it is possible that adversaries including russia have better information on what giuliani and trump and others were talking about than our own investigators. In other words, you cant even subpoena this information. The text of those phone calls dont exist if you werent otherwise spying or tapping the phone call. Ali, you hit the nail right on the head. As a federal prosecutor for 30 years, trust me i acquired a lot of information about bad guys cellphones but i had to do it legally. So if i wanted something as basic as the call detail records, the numbers that two cellphones were dialing or receiving calls from, i had to issue a grand jury subpoena. If i wanted what was called cell site information, where a phone was at the time it was being used, i need to either obtain a search warrant or a court order. And the granddaddy of all sort of cellphone investigative measures, if i wanted to listen in realtime to what someone was saying, i had to get a title 3 wiretap, and the legal hoops and hurdles we had to jump through as Law Enforcement are enormous. Rightfully so because if the government are going to surveil your calls in realtime we want lots of protections in place. None of those protections apply to russian intelligence agencies or other we do want those protections. We do want to know our government doesnt eaves drop on our phone calls, except someone else might be doing so. Yes, and they have things we dont have, that people prosecuting an impeachment case dont have. Thank you for kicking this off for us. Up next, could Nancy Pelosis house vote to impeach President Trump and then opt to not send that to the trial in the senate until they finally hear from all the witnesses in the white house or the witness the white house is holding up. And later the strong women in the impeachment hearings that are pushing back against President Trump. At the end of the hour were going to have the most important comment of the week that didnt get nearly enough attention. It was the most totalitarian comment i have heard uttered by the Trump Administration today. As a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. At liberty butchumal cut. Liberty biberty cut. Well dub it. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Tthe bad news . Outhe perfect photo is not. D. 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Earlier tonight despite weeks of complaints from republicans that the white house was not getting a fair shake in the impeachment process because it wasnt being allowed to participate, the white house has formally rejected an offer from the house Judiciary Committee to wait for it participate in the impeachment investigation. The white House Counsel Pat Cipollone sent a letter to chairman nadler complaining about the proceedings and a Senior Administration official tells nbc news, quote, the letter means the white house will not participate in the house proceeding. Chairman nadler shot back saying, quote, if the president has no good response to the allegations, then he would not want to appear before the committee. Having declined this opportunity, he cannot claim that the process is unfair. The president s failure will not prevent us from carrying out our solemn constitutional duty. On monday as rachel told us, the Judiciary Committee which is charged with drafting articles of impeachment will hear evidence from House Intelligence Committee lawyers on the investigation into the president s conduct towards ukraine. Joining me now, democratic congressman joe neguse, a member of the house Judiciary Committee, a committee that is going to gain notoriety amongst americans it probably hasnt had since watergate probably. Good to be with you, ali. Congressman, what is the process . I assume youve learned your committee has received this information on flash drives. What actually happens next . I did review that letter just before appearing on your program. As you know the report has been officially submitted to the intelligence committee, to the Government Oversight Committee and the Foreign Affairs committee. And the evidence underlying that report has also been transmit today the Judiciary Committee for its review. We noticed hearing for monday where we will an opportunity to hear from the counsel for the intelligence committee, both the majority and minority and give them an opportunity to present the evidence in greater deal. And then ultimately the committee will have a solemn duty ahead, which is to review that evidence against the legal standards that were defined and expounded upon during the hearing earlier this week, where we had an opportunity to hear from constitutional scholars discuss the constitutional context and Historical Context of the power of impeachment under our constitution and then make a decision from there as to what potential articles, if any, to refer to the full house. And again, discharging that duty in a serious and methodical way that meet the moment. And we intend to do precisely that. Congressman, tell me about the moment. Because you and have known each other a long time after you were elected. We had earlier conversations before you were elected. This is an important moment. Your committee is now going to draft articles of impeachment that may result in the impeachment for the third time of a president of the United States. How do you think about this and how do you talk about this to your constituents . Look, it is a solemn moment. Its a somber moment for our country. And i thought Speaker Pelosi stated it so eloquently this week when she talked about it fundamentally not being about politics but our constitution, and the duty we have to honor the oath that each and every one of us in the house takes to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Look, ive been on your program before and as you know i do believe that theres significant evidence this president abused his power and ultimately betrayed the National Interests by corrupting our elections. And congress as a coequal branch of government must honor its role under article i to hold this administration accountable. So, it is a grave moment for our country. I wish that my republican colleagues would treat this process with the respect that it deserves and to understand the gravity of the matter that we are now considering. Im hopeful that some of them will ultimately choose country over party, but that will remain an open question for now. Congressman, i want to read to you, you again have probably seen this your chairman jerry nadler responding to the refusal to participate. The house invited and then subpoenaed his top advisers. The president ordered them not to show and continues to block key evidence from congress. We are disappointed that the president has once again failed to provide those answers here. Now you know that, your chairman has sent that to the white house. We have read it. There are millions if not tens of millions of americans who are getting another story tonight. They are getting a story about a process that is unfair, a process that does not allow the president or his representatives to participate. How do you respond to people, your constituents possibly who are hearing that false tale . Well, look, this administration has engaged in a wholesale obstruction of congress, it likes of which we have never seen before. And we have an obligation on the Judiciary Committee and as members of congress to explain the president s conduct and the realities of why ultimately that conduct is not consistent with the way in which the framers intended our republic to function. And so as you may know earlier this week when he had the opportunity to question a wide range of constitutional scholars during the Judiciary Committees hearing i had an opportunity and chose to use my time to focus on this very issue, to highlight the Historical Context of the way in which even president clinton and to some extent president nixon participated at greater lengths in their impeachment inquiries than this president , who has directed his executive branch to simply not participate at all. And he has had every opportunity to engage in good faith and has chosen not to. And instead has released these outlandish letters by the white House Counsel all in my view in an attempt to obfuscate from the fundamental egregious nature of the president s conduct that ultimately undermines our National Security. Look, ive never lost faith that congress is coequal branch under article i would ultimately take the steps necessary to hold this administration accountable, discharge our oaths. 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Speaker pelosi has held strong and firm throughout this impeachment inquiry but shes not the only strong woman whos played a vital role in this process. Women stood out as star witnesses including marie yovanovitch, fiona hill and fam pamela karlan. Theyre not only being praised for their brave testimony but being praised for potentially bringing down trump as well, especially given the president s long history of demeaning and allegedly sexually abusing women. Lets take a look at some of the testimony from these fearless women. How could our system fail like this . How is it that foreign corrupt interests could manipulate our government . Which countrys interests are served when the very corrupt behavior we have been criticizing is allowed to prevail . Some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia and its Security Services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps somehow for some reason ukraine did. This is fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the russian Security Services themselves. Maybe when he was first running for president he had never been anything other than a Reality Tv Show that was his public life. Maybe then he could think russia if youre listening that was an okay to do. But by the time he asked ukraine if youre listening could you help me out with an election, he has to know that was not something consistent with his oath of office. When we come back two guests will join me to discuss how strong women have played a vital and Important Role in the impeachment inquiry. Thats next. In the impeachment inquiry. Thats next. Cut. Liberty biberty cut. Well dub it. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition. For strength and energy whoohoo greattasting ensure. 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They got rid of the light bulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive, and i hate to say it it doesnt make you look as good. Of course being a vain person thats very important to me. It like gives you an orange look. I dont want an orange look. They rid of a light bulb. He also talked about toilets not flushing properly today. Joining us now the senior director of progressive programming at sirius xm radio and the host of the political podcast with friends like these. Theres some crazy stuff the president has been talking about. But really if you have been one of those americans and i think the number is about 70 million americans who were glued to the first week of the impeachment testimony, you would have been taken aback by the fact that much of the most compelling testimony was presented by women. Yeah, thats not surprising. I think theres a couple of different points throughout this trump era, if you will, that have demonstrated that women have very angry, and were willing to make that known to everyone. So the day donald trump is sworn in, theres a bunch of maga people in d. C. , but the very next day women in pink hats descended on d. C. Then there was also moments where Maxine Waters was reclaiming her time, essentially saying that women are taking back this moment to quote charlotte alter of Time Magazine she talked of this moment as the moment women thought Hillary Clinton was finally going to become president and now this moment is the trump era instead. And so in a lot of ways that Maxine Waters moment led us to the me too moment, also to Brett Kavanaughs confirmation where i feel like women essentially were giving a primal scream they were not consenting to the white male Leadership Structure that traditionally has led this country that is not doing a good job leading the country. Were literally living through impeachment and so women are actually standing up against that. And its wonderful to see so many different types of women. None of these women are the same, none of them have the same presentation, but all of them are strong. Whats interesting when you look at some of the key women, marie yovanovitch, it wasnt that they chose a woman. She was the United States ambassador to ukraine. When you look at fiona hill, it wasnt that somebody chose a woman. This was the woman in the job at the National Security counsel who is the expert on the u. S. Russiaukraine relations. When you look at professor karlan, pamela karlan this is woman whos a constitutional scholar and wellinformed. So the fact is no one was looking at this for the stagecraft. The other important thing about them is that they chose to be on the right side of history. There are plenty of other people in similar positions who did not speak up and did not testify. And these women had the lets say guts to do so. You were going to Say Something else. Maybe. But i dont want to be gender specific. I do think its important to point out, though, when it comes to the impeachment, white women have a lot to atone for when it comes to trump. Those were mainly white women who are participating in the impeachment process, and im all here for it. But white women helped elect trump, its kind of the least we could do to help get rid of him. Like zerlina said that Maxine Waters is a huge part of this also, the undocumented women who have spoken about being employed at trumps country clubs those are just as important. And then of course as you mentioned there is the fact hes an admitted sexual predator. And i feel like his crimes against the country are important. Thats what hes being impeached for, but those are not his biggest crimes against humanity, and certainly not his biggest crimes against women. Its interesting. Jason johnson tweeted something, zerlina, that makes me think about this. It says literally every woman that has testified during the impeachment hear has delivered the strongest points and messages but somehow this country cant figure out how to put a woman in the white house. And talking about this on last word this amounts to a hill of beans when it comes to power structures, right . In the end jason makes an important point. Women continue to go on changing our world and putting into stark relief what you and ana maria are just saying, but we still continue to have the same problem. Right, if its incidental that a woman happens to be the ambassador to ukraine, so be it. If theres a remarkable expert on russiau. S. Relations so be it. Were not putting her in the white house just yet. Yeah, i feel like theres an existential moment were going through right now. Were having this big debate on quoteunquote electability, but were missing whats happening in this moment. Were forgetting that a whole bunch of women of all different colors and backgrounds won in the last election we had in 2018. And so the idea that a woman could not win when the woman who ran the last time got more votes than the unqualified and unexperienced man running for the same position. I think that we have to be honest about the fact that a woman absolutely could win, that women are competent, and that we generally have to get rid of this notion where men are overestimated for their competence and abilities and women are often underestimated, which is why we are so surprised when they show up and they do their jobs so professionally often. Were like, wow, she seems to know her stuff. Well, yes, you dont get to be the ambassador to ukraine unless you know your stuff. Ana maria, just so we dont end up talking to women just about women, i told my viewers Something Else earlier tonight. There are some people suggesting that the house may vote on impeachment articles but not send it to the senate. I actually already have a few tweets to say wow, thats weird. Let me read you a tweet from john dean who said lets impeach him now and not send it to the senate and rather keep investigating in the house and add such supplemental articles as needed. Just let it hangover his head. If the worst happens and hes reelected just send it to the senate but keep investigating. He knows hes not going to get outed by the senate, hes not going to get kicked out of office. This is an interesting concept. Impeach and dont move forward. I like if, and certainly as i alluded to for before, there are many crimes he deserves to answer for, but i do kind of wonder at least theoretically if congress may not be painting a live size map of the world if they choose to investigate everything they could impeach him for. The list is probably almost literally endless. You know, it might begin with Election Fraud but certainly it would continue to the caging of children on the border. And fraud and corruption and emoluments. I mean, really, every day like whenever i think about this white house and the crimes i think the lucy and ethel at the Chocolate Factory and trying to just keep up with the crimes coming out of the machine. We just couldnt do it. I would love to see them investigate more. I worry about the physics of it, basically. Whether or not the time Space Continuum could handle it. Were going to squeeze in a break. But when we come back were going to talk about the efforts to expand Voting Rights today. This is important. Im going to tell you how many republicans voted along with the democrats on this one. This one may surprise you. [farmers bell] burke at farmers insurance, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a threering fender bender. clown 1 sorry about that. clown 2 apologies. clown 1 . 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That was congresswoman terri sewell before the house voted on the Voting Rights act. On this vote the yeas are 228 and the nays are 187. The bill is passed. Without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. That was the reauthorization of the Voting Rights act. Every reauthorization of the voting eights act since 1965 has received bipartisan support. In 2006 192 republicans voted for that reauthorization. 33 voted against. Today republicans voted almost unanimously against the measure. The lone republican to vote in favor was this man, congressman Brian Fitzpatrick of pennsylvania. Back with us zirlina maxwell and ana marie cox. Pure research has predicted this country is going to be majority nonwhite by 2045. And what that means is that the republicans you know, the traditional Republican Voters are going to by a minority nationally, not necessarily in some of these more gerrymandered districts, but essentially i think what this says is theyre aware that the demographic shifts and the present realities are not on their side. And for me thats fundament ela problem. People died for my right to vote. My grandfather and aunt both marched in selma, alabama. She hid from the ku klux klan the night before the march. And so for me the right to vote is a sacred one. And for republicans not to understand we should expand access to more people and then fight over the ideas later and whoever gets the most votes wins, thats the system that we should all want. Thats really a troubling reality to be living. Ana marie cox, this is layup. This is not complicated. This is not asking people to stretch the imagination, to vote for the reauthorization of the Voting Rights act of 65. I dont think so. Im an expert because i looked at his wikipedia page. And you know whats interesting about him is hes a former fbi agent, so clearly hes a member of the deep state. Or he is a institutionalist who values the structures of democracy. It also turns out he was head of their elections Crimes Commission and was once stationed in ukraine and iraq. So i think he knows something about the fragility of democracy. And speaking of the fragiltale of democracy i know the same numbers zerlina talked about. Their willingness to show their hand they do not even want to try to compete on a level playing field. To me it says this is party who doesnt care about trying to win a fair election. Its remarkable. That is an interesting and thought provoking way to end this conversation. Coming up, attorney general bill barr made a shocking and chilling comment or a threat this week about respecting the police. Tonight congressman val democt t [sneeze and sniffles] are you ok . Yah, its just a cold. 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There is one thing that happened this week that cant be overlooked. I was shocked. It might be one of the most totalitarian like statements issued yet by a member of the trump station. It was attorney bill barr in a speech to Police Officers talking about americans needing to respect the police and what could happen if they dont. I think today American People have to focus on Something Else which is the sacrifice and service that is given by Law Enforcement officers. They have to start showing more than they do, the respect and support that Law Enforcement deserves. If communities dont give that support and respect, they might find themselves without the Police Protection that they need. Glenn, i think it is relevant here. I dont talk about my background a lot. My parents grew up in apartheid, south africa. I find that chilling. I find what he said chilling. That he had me until if communities dont start showing that respect, all the first part about sacrifice and service and police and what they do and how difficult their job is, the threat, i thought was chilling. I had to take a deep breath before i answer this one ali, for 30 years i work besides men and women of Law Enforcement, more officers and detectives and agents and investigators than i can count right here in washington, d. C. I work with the washington, d. C. Metropolitan police department, fbi and dea and park police and secret Service Uniform division and metro police and track police and postal police. I can go on. In the military, i can work with the mps and the cid agents. You know i never heard a single one of them say i am here to protect and serve but only if the citizens show me the proper respect. What bill barr said is antiamerican, it is the exact opposite of what Law Enforcement agents and officers stand for and like you said, welcome to bill barrs totalitarian state. It is chilling and despicable. I dont need to cue you up. I want to read to you because it is important what representative val demings, first female chief of police wrote in the oped Washington Post. Law enforcement is not a protection racket. It is a sacred charge. We take an oath not to any individual or faction but to the constitution or in other words, the society at large because at the end of the day, Law Enforcement and the community are the same. The police are the community. The community is the police. Modern policing at its best is a dynamic and collaborative, officers and civilians predicated under the fundamental principles of the eyes of the law that all of us are equal. When barr represents certain community, it seems clear he meant black and brown communities. The very community which we should be working the hardest to build relationships and cooperation. People should try to stay alive during these interactions with the police. When you hear the chief Law Enforcement officer in the country say you can complain later. No, thats not what the forth amendment says. You dont have to complain later. As an american, you have rights and you can articulate them and ask Law Enforcement why are you stopping me and asking me these things. There is a new movie which tackles this very issue and i think a lot of americans need to perhaps see this film because they think one of the most powerful things about it is it shows you how universal this fear of the police is. I as a black american can be driving home tonight, ali, i can be pulled over and my life can be over in a second and then theyll tell a story in the news of what i have done in my past that can justify it. Thats not okay. I just think that if bill barr is so concerned with americans not respecting Law Enforcement then i think he needs to take a car ride down the street and talk to donald trump because he has disrespected Law Enforcement and the fbi throughout the entire administration and i think that perhaps they need to respect Law Enforcement and their investigations, not american citizens who are just going about their daily lives. Glenn, final word to you . Bill barr should stand up and say you know what, that was a poor choice of words. Our Law Enforcement officers and agents are going to protect everybody. Every community regardless of how we think they should act. He really needs to stand up and correct the record. Thank you both of you tonight. Powerful words to end the show. Thats tonights last word. The 11th hour, Brian Williams begins now. Tonight with realization more than setting in now that impeachment is coming, the white house takes another pass on getting into the game and launching a defense at least so far as the speaker prepares her party for another historic week. Plus, democrats hold sore after democratic senator says he knows a few republicans willing to support impeachment and some big name republicans prepare to give the president the investigations he wants. About the democrats, biden rolls on a big endorsement and singles out a popular rookie in the party. What did Mike Bloomberg just say about cory booker exactly . We have it all as the 11th hour gets in on a friday night