None of this is true. Your viewers do not have to get up in the morning to do all this because anything good that happens on monday, you will tell them about at 9 00 p. M. But its live events. I mean the impeachment hearing is live obviously and on television at 9 00. Yes. That 9 30 emoluments hearing is one of those rare federal Court Hearings that were going to have live audio of, so youre going to have to listen and watch in stereo. Its going to be a crazy day. Ill be watch ago long with you. You have a fantastic week. Ahead tonight, what does the white house want . After weeks of protests that the administration couldnt participate in the impeachment proceedings, the white houses top lawyer has just rejected an offer to participate in the impeachment proceedings. And pelosi versus trump. The speaker of the house is taking the president headon as he attempts to derail the investigation into his ukraine actions. Plus at the end of the show, what was the most shocking statement that came out of the Trump Administration this week . It is something that deserves a lot more attention than it got. But first tonight, the National Security threat coming from the white house. Damaging evidence against the president continues to come out of the impeachment investigation, and a blockbuster report in the Washington Post shows just how the president s actions have put u. S. Interests in danger. Thanks to President Trumps habit of using a vulnerable cell phone. Russians possibly knew about his attempts to extort ukraine long before that information was made public, officials tell the post. Phone logs released this week by House Democrats showed multiple calls from trumps personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, to white house phone numbers at critical moments during the Pressure Campaign on ukraine. The calls underscored the degree to which trump and giuliani seemed to have coordinated their efforts. The Washington Post reports those unsecured calls were just the beginning. According to current and former officials, the president speaks with Rudy Giuliani and others, quote, all the time on cell phones vulnerable to monitoring by russia and other foreign actors. Quote, it is absolutely a security issue, a former trump aide told the Washington Post. It is a bonanza for them. That trump and his personal lawyer would regularly skirt security protocols in their private chats is, of course, hypocritical. Recall that the president made an issue about how Hillary Clinton handled Sensitive Information during the 2016 election. We know hillary cant be trusted. Weve learned that with americas security. You take a look at her email situation. Can we trust her with our security . How can hillary manage this country when she cant even manage her emails . We cant have someone in the oval office who doesnt understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. More than that, the president s seeming carelessness constitutes a significant threat to National Security, and its not the first time. Remember that just a month into his presidency, the president dealt with a north Korean Missile test in the maralago dining room. Then he discussed highly classified intelligence with russian officials in an Oval Office Meeting in may 2017, and as we also learned from the impeachment investigation, he talked loudly about his plot to extort ukraine on a phone call with Eu AmbassadorGordon Sondland. President trump has never been particularly careful in his handling of Sensitive Information, and u. S. Officials suggest to the Washington Post that it was a virtual certainty that russia had listened in on trumps phone calls with giuliani, telling the paper that the kremlin may have been able to, quote, learn about aspects of trumps attempt to get ukraine to investigate a political rival months before that effort was exposed and could have used those insights to adapt or amplify its propaganda, promoting the baseless claim that ukraine rather than russia hacked the Democratic National committee in the 2016 u. S. Election. In fact, one former official told the paper that russia likely knows more about trumps conversations with giuliani than impeachment investigators do. Quote, congress and investigators have call records that suggest certain things but have no means whatsoever of getting the actual text of what was said. Thats according to john sipher, former deputy chief of russia operations at the cia. Quote, i guarantee the russians have the actual information. Leading off our discussion tonight are greg miller, National Security correspondent for the Washington Post. Hes the coauthor of that report about unsecured phone calls. Rick stengel is a former undersecretary of state in the Obama Administration and a msnbc political analyst. Hes the author of information wars. Glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. Welcome to all of you. Greg, lets start with you. You are hearing from people who say the threat is not perceived or possible. It is real. President donald trump has been warned over and over again by officials who work around him and National Security officials, dont make phone calls on your personal phone. He continues to do it. Yeah, and to me one of the more staggering things we learned and reported in our story was about the efforts of those closest to him to get him to stop doing this. White house chief of staff john kelly urged him to use hard lines in the white house, secure lines when he went back to the residence at night and made phone calls, and he did this for a while. But when he realized that john kelly was then able to track logs of the president s calls, who he was speaking with, trump got annoyed and discontinued the practice and went back to the cell phone. So its not just his disregard for the security protocols that almost all of his predecessors in the office have adhered to. Its that he appears to be trying to hide much of his communications from his own staff, from his own people. This is a problem, rick stengel. You have spent much of your life as a journalist, right . We use phones a lot. We talk to a lot of people. Its probably a hard habit to break, but this is not random. This is the president of the United States. People before him have had to go through this. 245 its not just that donald trump seems to be having conversations that are casual, checking up with friends. But in fact some of the important stuff we need to know about is stuff that is not done on white house logs. Its done on this, as greg miller says, to avoid the scrutiny of his own staff but endangering possibly National Security as a result. Of course its a National Security risk. Now, donald trump tweeted tonight that he had only used governmentissued cell phones as though that rebutted the Washington Post story. Thats false too in the sense that even governmentissued cell phones are not secure either. When you think about it, its not just the russians who are listening in. Theres properly a half dozen other nations. And when they know something about what youre saying that your own staff doesnt know, much less congress, that is a security risk. The russians have kompromat on him in that they know he was maneuvering with the ukrainians. That gives them leverage over the ukrainians too. That is a real National Security issue for the United States. We know certain things that donald trump was saying about ukraine because we know it from the actual memos of the transcript that the white house has released, and we think the average person who is not a lawyer can imagine that that is compromising. So the idea that there are other conversations possibly with Rudy Giuliani, who is like wheres waldo, hes in the middle of everything here, we can surmise that as rick stengel says, others, the russians or others have information that our investigators that congress doesnt even have, that his staff doesnt even have. Let me go to the gravest threat to National Security. The russians could exploit some of what they were hearing for propaganda value and build on that and continue to sort of pour disinformation into, for example, our social media. But you know what else theyre getting . They are potentially getting information that they can use militarily to decide when they might want to make moves on the ukraine in what everybody calls that hot war that they are involved in, their unlawful aggression into ukraine, because if theyre overhearing the president of the United States saying things like im going to withhold military aid. I know they want javelins, antitank weapons. Theyre not getting them right now until i get what i want, if youre Vladimir Putin and youre directing your military troops and your efforts to attack ukraine, you think youd want to know that kind of important intelligence about u. S. Military operations. And, rick, lets just talk about this because you were in the state department so you had to be conscious of the fact that the stuff you talked about even casually and thats you, not the president of the United States is of interest to foreign governments. The New York Times is reporting on Donald Trumps phone habits. When President Trump calls old friends on one of his iphones to gossip, gripe, or solicit their take on how hes doing, american intelligence reports indicates that chinese spies are often listening and putting to use invaluable insights into how to best work with the president and affect administration policy, current and former officials said. This is better information than you can use than you can get by using spies. If youre actually hearing from government officials that are forming policy, spies are secondary. You dont even need spies in the age of the cell phone. When you walk into the state department as an employee, one of the first things they tell you is that anything you say even within the confines of the state department that is not in a scif, a secure compartmented intelligence space, is liable to be listened to by any number of other powers. And when those people have information about you, even when he talks to his friends, that is something that goes into your Intelligence Services and they use. By the way, to speak to the earl earlier point, zelensky is meeting with the russians on monday to begin negotiations about a possible ceasefire in that donbass region of ukraine. Think about what the russians no about what zelensky can or cant do given what the americans have said this. He have tremendous leverage weve given them by them listening in on our calls. Greg miller, whats your sense of how much youve reported on and people have spoken to you about this, how much of this is conjecture and how many is them knowing things like rick stengel, that you could be picked up talking in the state department let alone using your random phone thats not protected by the government . Look, i dont think theres any chance this is merely conjecture here. We have actual cases. Four years ago, two american diplomats were surveilled by russian intelligence in ukraine, in ukraine, where donald trump, Rudy Giuliani, Gordon Sondland and others are having conversations now, and the russians actually leaked that conversation during the Obama Administration as a way of driving a wedge between the United States and europe. They have substantial intelligence capabilities in ukraine, and it is a former soviet state that they pay extremely close attention to. So i just really dont think that were talking about theoretical risks here. Glenn kirschner, i think the line that stood out to me the most was that it is possible that adversaries, including russia, have better information on what giuliani and trump and others were talking about than our own investigators. In other words, you cant even subpoena this information. The text of those phone calls dont exist if you werent otherwise spying or tapping a phone call. Ali, you hit the nail right on the head. As a federal prosecutor for 30 years, trust me, i acquired a lot of information about bad guys cell phones but i had to do it legally. If i wanted the call detail records, the numbers two cell phones were dialing or receiving calls from, i had to issue a grand jury subpoena. If i wanted cell site information, where a phone was at the time it was being used, i need to either obtain a search warrant or a court order. And the granddaddy of all sort of cell phone investigative measures, if i wanted to listen in realtime to what somebody was saying, i had to get a title iii wiretap, and the legal hoops and hurdles we had to jump through as Law Enforcement are enormous, rightfully so because if the government is going to surveil your calls in realtime, we want lots of protections in place. None of those protections apply to russian intelligence agencies or other foreign Intelligence Services. We do want those protections. We do want to know that our government doesnt eavesdrop on our phone calls except someone else might be doing so. Yeah, and they have things that we dont have that the people who are now going to prosecute an impeachment case dont have. That is an enormous security risks. Thanks very much for kicking this off for us. Up next, could Nancy Pelosis house vote to impeach President Trump, then opt to not send that to the trial in the senate until they finally hear from all the witnesses in the white house or the witness the white house is holding up . And later, the strong women in the impeachment hearings that are pushing back against President Trump. At the end of the hour, were going to have the most important comment of the week that didnt get nearly enough attention. It was the most retaliatory comment i have heard uttered by the Trump Administration to date. [sneeze and sniffles] are you ok . Yah, its just a cold. Its not just a cold if you have high Blood Pressure. Most cold medicines may raise Blood Pressure. Coricidin hbp is the. 1 brand that gives. Powerful cold relief without raising your Blood Pressure. I need all the breaks, that i can get. At liberty butchumal cut. Liberty biberty cut. Well dub it. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. 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The white House Counsel, pat cipollone, sent a letter to chairman nadler complaining about the proceedings and a Senior Administration official tells nbc news, quote, the letter means that the white house will not participate in the house proceeding. Chairman nadler shot back, saying, quote, if the president has no good response to the allegations, then he would not want to appear before the committee. Having declined this opportunity, he cannot claim that the process is unfair. The president s failure will not prevent us from carrying out our solemn constitutional duty. On monday, as rachel told us, the Judiciary Committee, which is charged with drafting articles of impeachment, will hear evidence from House Intelligence Committee lawyers on the investigation into the president s conduct toward ukraine. Joining me now, democratic Congressman Joe Neguse of colorado. The committee is going to gain notoriety amongst americans that it has not had since watergate apparently. Good to be with you, ali. Congressman, what is the process now . What happens . I assume you have learned that your committee has received this information on flash drives. What actually happens next . So i did and reviewed that letter just before appearing on your program. So as you know, the report has been officially submitted to the Judiciary Committee from the intelligence committee, the government oversight committee, and the Foreign Affairs committee, and the evidence underlying that report has been transmitted to the Judiciary Committee for its view. Weve noticed a hearing for monday where we will have an opportunity to hear from counsel for the intelligence committee, both the majority and minority and give them an opportunity to present the evidence in greater detail. Then ultimately the committee will have a solemn duty ahead, which is to review that evidence against the legal standards that were defined and expounded upon during the hearing earlier this week, where we had an opportunity to hear from constitutional scholars discuss the constitutional context and Historical Context of the power of impeachment under our constitution and then make a decision from there as to what potential articles, if any, to refer to the full house and, again, discharging that duty in a serious and methodical way that meets the moment. And we intend to do precisely that. Tell me about the moment because you and i have spoken for a long time, since you been elected. We had one of the earlier conversations after you were elected. This is a moment. Whatever side of this thing you are on, this is on important moment. Your committee is now going to draft articles of impeachment that may result in the impeachment for the third time of a president of the United States. How do you think about this, and how do you talk about this to your constituents . You know, look, its a solemn moment. It is a somber moment for our country, and i thought that Speaker Pelosi stated it so eloquently earlier this week when she talked about this matter fundamentally not being about politics but about our constitution, about us as a Constitutional Republic and the duty that we have to honor the oath and each and every one of us in the house takes to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Look, ive been on your program before, and as you know, i do believe that theres significant evidence that this president abused his power and ultimately betrayed the National Interest by corrupting our elections. And congress as a coequal branch of government must honor its role under article i to hold this administration accountable. So it is a grave moment for our country. I wish that my republican colleagues would treat this process with the respect that it deserves and to understand the gravity of the matter that we are now considering. Im hopeful that some of them will ultimately choose country over party, but that will remain an open question for you. I want to read to you you again have probably seen this. This is your chairman jerry nadler responding to the white houses refusal to participate in your proceedings. He says, the American People deserve answers from President Trump. The house invited and then subpoenaed his top advisers. The president ordered them not to show and continues to block key evidence from congress. We are disappointed that the president has once again failed to provide those answers here. Now, you know that. Your chairman has sent that to the white house. We have read it. There are millions if not tens of millions of americans who are getting another story tonight. Theyre getting a story about a process that is unfair, a process that does not allow the president or his representatives to participate. How do you respond to people your constituents possibly who are hearing that false tale . Well, look, this administration has engaged in a wholesale obstruction of congress the likes of which we have never seen before, and we have an obligation on the Judiciary Committee and as members of congress to explain the president s conduct and the realities of why ultimately that conduct is not consistent with the way in which the framers intended our republic to function. And so as you may know, earlier this week when we had an opportunity to question a wide range of constitutional scholars during the Judiciary Committees hearing, i had an opportunity and chose to use my time to focus on this very issue, to highlight the Historical Context of the way in which even president clinton and to some extent president nixon participated at greater lengths in their impeachment inquiries than this president , who has directed his executive branch to simply not participate at all, and he has had every opportunity to engage in good faith and has chosen not to and instead has, you know, released these outlandish letters by the white House Counsel all, in my view, in an attempt to obfuscate from the fundamental egregious nature of the president s conduct that ultimately undermines our National Security. So, again, look, ive never lost faith that congress as a coequal branch under article i would ultimately take the steps necessary to hold this administration accountable, to discharge our oaths and neither should the American People. Congressman, good to see you again. Thank you for joining me tonight. Congressman joe ma gus of the house judiciary recommittee. Coming up, the speaker of the house versus the president of the United States. Nancy pelosi is just one of the strong women who have been at the center of the impeachment saga. Later, the house tried to strengthen Voting Rights today. Well tell you how many republicans voted in favor of that. loud fan noise children playing Music Building experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list sales event. Sign and drive off in a new lincoln with zero down, zero due at signing, and a complimentary first months payment. burke at farmers insurance, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. 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We dont hate anybody, not anybody in the world. This is about the constitution of the United States and the facts that lead to the president s violation of his oath of office. And as a catholic, i resent your using the word hate in a sentence that addresses me. I dont hate anyone. Speaker pelosi has held strong and firm throughout this impeachment inquiry, but shes not the only strong woman whos played a vital role in the process. During both closeddoor and public testimony in the impeachment inquiry, women stood out as star witnesses, including marie yovanovich, fiona hill, and pamela karlan. Their testimony offered startling revelations into President Trumps abuse of power, but they are not only being praised for their brave testimony. Theyre being praised for potentially bringing down trump as women, especially given the president s long history of demeaning and allegedly sexually abusing women. Lets take a look at some of the testimony from these fearless women. How could our system fail like this . How is it that foreign corrupt interests could manipulate our government . Which countries interests are served when the very corrupt behavior we have been criticizing is allowed to prevail . Some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia and its Security Services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps somehow, for some reason, ukraine did. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the russian Security Services themselves. Maybe when he was first running for president , he had never been anything other than a Reality Tv Show you know, that was his public life. Maybe then he could think, russia, if youre listening is an okay thing to do. But by the time he asked the ukraine, ukraine, if youre listening, could you help me out with my reelection, he has to have known that was not something consistent with his oath of office. When we come back, zewe discs how strong women have played an important and vital role in the impeachment inquiry. Thats next. Everybody needs somebody. Find everything you need for the kids this holiday, with low prices and Free Shipping on millions of items at amazon. While Speaker Nancy Pelosi is leading House Democrats through the impeachment inquiry, heres what President Trump felt the need to address today. The light bulb. They got rid of the light bulb that people got used to. The new bulb is many times more expensive, and i hate to say it, it doesnt make you look as good. Of course being a vein persain thats very important to me. It gives you an orange look. I dont want an orange look. They got rid of the light bulb. They also talked about toilets not flushing properly today. Joining us, Zerlina Maxwell and ana marie cox, the host of the political podcast with friends like these. Thank you for joining me tonight. Theres some crazy stuff the president s been talking about. But really if you have been one of those americans and i think the number is about 70 million americans who were glued to the first week of impeachment testimony, you would have been taken aback by the fact that much of the most compelling testimony, zerlina, was presented by women. Yeah, thats not surprising. I think theres a couple of different points throughout this trump era, if you will, that have demonstrated that women are very angry, and were willing to make that known to everyone. So the day donald trump is sworn in, theres a bunch of maga people in d. C. But the very next day, women in pink hats descended on d. C. Then there was also moments where Maxine Waters was reclaiming her time, essentially saying that women are taking back this moment. To quote charlotte alter of time magazine, she talked about this moment as the moment that women thought Hillary Clinton would be the president. We finally would have some sort of representation that was equitable, and now this moment is the trump era instead. And so in a lot of ways, that Maxine Waters moment led us to the me too moment, also to Brett Kavanaughs confirmation, where i feel like women essentially were giving a primal scream that they are not consenting to the white male Leadership Structure that traditionally has led this country, that is not doing a good job leading the country, were literally living through impeachment. So women are actually standing up against that, and its wonderful to see so many types of women. None of these women are the same. None of them have the same presentation, but all of them are strong. Ana marie, whats interesting is when you look at some of the key women, marie yovanovich, it wasnt that they chose a woman. She was the United States ambassador to ukraine. When you look at fiona hill, it wasnt that somebody chose a woman. This was the woman in the job at the National Security council who is the expert on u. S. Russia Ukraine relations. When you look at professor karlan, pamela karlan, its not that somebody went and chose a woman. This is a woman who is a constitutional scholar and well informed. So the fact is no one was looking at this for the stagecraft. Thats true. But i will point out when it comes to the ambassador and fiona hill, the other important thing about them is they chose to be on the right side of history. There are plenty of other people in similar positions who did not speak up and who did not testify. And these women had the lets say guts to do so. You were going to Say Something else. Maybe, but i dont want to be gender specific. I do think its important to point out when it comes to the impeachment, white women have a lot to atone for when it comes to trump. It were mainly white women participating in the impeachment process, and im all here for it. But white women helped elect trump. Its kind of the least we could do to help get rid of him. I want to call attention like zerlina said that Maxine Waters is a huge part of this. Also the undocumented women that have spoken about being employed at trumps country clubs. Those are just important. Then of course like you mentioned, there is the fact that he is an admitted sexual predator, and i feel like his crimes against the country are important. Thats what hes being impeached for, but those are not his biggest crimes against humanity, and certainly not his biggest crimes against women. You know, its interesting, Jason Johnson tweeted something, zerlina, that makes me think about this. It says literally every woman that has testified during the impeachment hearings has delivered the strongest points and messages but somehow this country cant figure out how to put a woman in the white house. And the fact is talking about this on the last word amounts to a hill of beans when it comes to power structures, right . In the end, jason makes an important point. Women continue to go on changing our world and putting into stark relief what you and ana marie are just saying, but we still continue to have the same problem. If its incidental that a woman happens to be the ambassador to ukraine, so be it. If theres a remarkable expert on russia u. S. Relations, so be it. If the expert on constitutional law happens to be a woman, so be it. Were not putting her in the white house just yet. Yeah, i feel like theres an existential moment were going through right now. Were having this big debate about, quote, unquote, electability, but were missing whats happening in this moment. We keep asking about whether or not Elizabeth Warren can win in 2020 and were forgetting that a whole bunch of women of different colors and backgrounds won in the last election in 2018. So the idea that a woman could not win when the woman who i think that we have to be honest about the fact that a woman absolutely could win, that women are competent, and that we generally have to get rid of this notion where men are overestimated for their competence and abilities and women are often underestimated, which is why we are so surprised when they show up and they do their job so professionally often. Were like, wow, she seems to know her stuff. Yeah. Well, yes, you dont get to be the ambassador to ukraine unless you know your stuff. Ana marie, just so that we dont end up talking to women just about women, we actually i told my viewers Something Else earlier tonight. There are some people suggesting that the house may vote on impeachment articles but not send it to the senate. I actually already have a few tweets to say thats really weird. Let me read you a tweet for john dean who said, lets impeach him now and not send it to the senate, rather keep investigating in the house and add such supplemental articles as needed. Just let it hang over his head. If the worst happens and he is reelected, send it to the senate, but keep investigating because the president has tweeted tonight and others have said, lets get this done. You know what . We know whats going to happen in the house. Lets go to the senate because he knows hes not going to get kicked out of office. This is an interesting concept. Impeach and dont move forward. I like it, and certainly as i alluded to before, there are many crimes that he deserves to answer for. But i do kind of wonder, at least theoretically, if Congress Might not be painting a lifesize map of the world if they chose to investigate everything that they could impeach him for. The list is probably almost literally endless. It might begin with Election Fraud but certainly it would continue to the caging of children on the border and fraud and corruption and emoluments. Whenever i think about this white house and the crimes and the criming, i think of the lucy and ethel at the Chocolate Factory and trying to just keep up with the crimes coming out of the machine. Like we just couldnt do it. I would love them to investigate more. I worry about the physics end of it basically, like whether or not the time Space Continuum could handle it. Were going to squeeze in a break, but when we come back, were going to talk about the experts to expand Voting Rights today. This is important. Im going to tell you how many republicans voted along with the democrats on this one. This one may surprise you. The price of freedom is not free. It has been paid for and bought by those brave foot soldiers so that one day a little black girl from selma, alabama, could one day sit in this august body. I know im not the only black and brown colleague of ours that owes our very presence in this chamber to the Voting Rights act of 1965. [ applause ] that was congresswoman terri seo sewell before the house voted on the Voting Rights advancement act. On this vote, the yeas are 228. The nays are 187. The bill is passed without objection. The motion to reconsider is laid on the table. That was the reauthorization of the Voting Rights act. Every reauthorization of the Voting Rights act since 1965 has received bipartisan support. In 2006, 192 republicans voted for that reauthorization. 33 voted against. Today republicans voted almost unanimously against the measure. The lone republican to vote in favor was this man, congressman Brian Fitzpatrick of pennsylvania. Back with us, Zerlina Maxwell and ana marie cox. I dont even know what to say about that. Well, look, ive been thinking a lot about this because im trying to think through the demographic shifts that are happening in the country. So pew research has predicted that this country is going to be majority nonwhite by 2045. What that means is that the republicans, you know, the traditional Republican Voters are going to be a minority nationally, not necessarily in some of these more gerrymandered districts. But essentially i think what this says is theyre aware that the demographic shifts and the present realities are not on their side. And for me, thats fundamentally a problem. People died for my right to vote. My grandfather and aunt both marched in selma, alabama. My aunt was only 17 years old, and she hid from the ku klux klan the night before the march. So for me, the right to vote is a sacred one. And for republicans not to understand that, we should expand access to more people and then fight over the ideas later, and whoever gets the most votes wins, thats the system we should all want, thats really a troubling reality to be living through. This is a layup. This is not complicated. This is not asking people to stretch the imagination very much, to vote for the reauthorization of the Voting Rights act of 1965. I dont think so. No one here thinks so. You know, im a little bit of an expert on congressman fitzgerald, is it . Fitzpatrick . See, im an expert because i looked at his wikipedia page. Whats interesting about him is hes a former fbi agent, so clearly hes a member of the deep state, or he is an institutionalist who values the structures of democracy. It also turns out he was head of their Election Crimes Commission and was once stationed in ukraine and in iraq. So i think he knows something about the fragility of democracy. And speaking of the fragility of democracy, i know the same numbers that zerlina talked about. And what frightens me about the republicans voting against this is the brazenness of it. Their willingness to show their hand, that they do not even want to try to compete on a level playing field. To me and ive said this before. But to me, this terrifies me, because to me, this says this is a party that isnt worried about winning a Fair Election because they dont think there are going to be any more of them. Thats remarkable. That is an interesting and thoughtprovoking way to end this conversation. Thank you for joining us tonight. Coming up, attorney general bill barr made a shocking and chilling comment or threat this week about respecting the police. Now tonight congressman val demings, a Law Enforcement veteran and orlandos First Female Police chief is taking him to task. Thats next. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance, so you only pay for what you need. I wish i could shake your hand. Granted. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. I wanted more from my copd medicine thats why ive got the power of 1, 2, 3 medicines with trelegy. The only fdaapproved oncedaily 3in1 copd treatment. 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It was attorney general bill barr in a speech to police officers, talking about americans needing to respect the police and what could happen if they dont. But i think today American People have to focus on Something Else, which is the sacrifice and the service that is given by our Law Enforcement offic officers. And they have to start showing more than they do the respect and support that Law Enforcement deserves. And if communities dont give that support and respect, they may find themselves without the Police Protection they need. Zerlina maxwell and Glenn Kirschner are back with us. Glenn, i think its relevant here. I dont talk about my background a lot. My parents grew up in apartheid south africa. I find that chilling. I find what he said chilling that he had me until he said if communities dont start showing that respect. All the first part about sacrifice and service and police and what they do and how difficult their job is, he had me at. The threat, i thought, was chilling. And i have to take a deep breath before i answer this one, ali, because for 30 years i worked beside men and women of Law Enforcement, more officers, detectives, investigators and agents than i can count. Right here in washington, d. C. , i worked with the washington, d. C. Metropolitan police department, fbi, atf, dea, park police, capitol police, secret Service Uniform division, amtrak police, the u. S. Marshal service. In the military i worked with the m. P. S, the cid agents. You know what i never heard a single one of them say . I never heard a single one of them say, im here to protect and serve but only if the citizens show me the proper respect. What bill barr said is antiamerican. Its the exact opposite of what Law Enforcement agents and officers stand for. And like you say, welcome to bill barrs autocracy or totalitarian state. It is chilling and despicable. Zerlina, i dont need to cue you up, but i want to read to you because its important what representative val demings, orlandos first female chief of police, wrote in an oped in the Washington Post. It was entitled what william barr doesnt understand about Law Enforcement. Law enforcement is not a protection racket. It is a sacred charge. We take an oath flot to any individual or faction but to the constitution or society at large. Because at the end of the day, Law Enforcement and the community are the same. The community is the police. Modern policing al its best is a dynamic, constructive, empowering relationship between officers and civilians predicated on the fundamental principle that in the eyes of the law, all of us are equal. When barr referenced certain communities that have failed to give the police proper deference, it seems clear he meant black and brown communities, the very communities in which we should be working the hardest to build relationships and cooperation. Zp zerlina . Its so infuriating when folks try to play respect built politics in it comes to how plaque and brown people should try to stay alive during interactions with the police. When you hear the chief Law Enforcement officer in the country say, you can complain later, no, thats not what the Fourth Amendment actually says. You dont have to complain later. As an american, you have rights and you can articulate them and ask Law Enforcement, why are you stopping me . Why are you asking me these things . No, i dont want you to go in the trunk. There is a new movie out which tackles this very issue, and i think a lot of americans need to perhaps see this film because i think one of the most powerful things about it is it shows you just how universal this fear of the police is. I, as a black american, can be driving home tonight, ali, and i can be pulled over and my life can be over in a second, and then they will tell a story on the news tomorrow potentially about what ive ever done in my past that could justify it. And that is not okay. And i just think that, you know, if bill barr is so concerned with americans not respecting Law Enforcement, then i think he needs to take maybe a car ride down the street and talk to donald trump because he has disrespected Law Enforcement and the fbi throughout this entire administration, and i think that perhaps they need to respect Law Enforcement and their investigations, not american citizens who are just going about their daily lives. Glenn kirschner, final word to you. Is there some consequence to saying this . This crosses a line into something that, as you said, is antiamerican. Bill barr should stand up and say, you know what . That was a poor choice of words. Our Law Enforcement officers and agents are going to protect everybody, every community regardless of how we think they should act. He really needs to stand up and correct the record. Thank you to both of you tonight. Powerful words to end the show. Zerlina maxwell and Glenn Kirschner. That is tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams begins now. Tonight with realization more than setting in now that impeachment is coming, the white house takes another pass on getting into the game and launching a defense, at least so far as the speaker prepares her party for another historic week. Plus democrats after a democratic senator says he knows of a few republicans willing to support impeachment. At the same time some bigname republicans prepare to give their president the investigation he wants. And about the democrats, biden rolls out a big endorsement, then singles out