What time tomorrow . He wouldnt tell me, did he tell you . No, he wouldnt. So the answer was, tomorrow. I narrows it down to, tomorrow. Yes. I asked him, how long is it . He said its long. I was like, i yeah. Well. I just want to one group that i just want people to think about tonight after we all had our varying degrees relaxing thanksgivings and time offer the staff. The staff of the House Intelligence Committee who i guarantee you were lucky if they were able to get a bite of anything on thanksgiving day. That staff has been working basically 24 hours a day in a relay in order to write a document which is going to be a very substantial, very long document. Its an amazing feat to put this together. Chairman schiff told me not only were the staff involved in this, but he and some other members were also deeply involved in this throughout that this last week. And its difficult. Its a difficult thing for them to did its a difficult thing for them to do working around family schedules that we all had last week. I just want that one note of thank you to them for the job that theyve been doing, that they have taken an oath to do. And they cant even have you know, you get that relief when you fin air big project, even if its been killing you to get it done, at least its done. In this case, one of the things i talked to chairman schiff about is the fact that they consider this to be an open and ongoing investigation. They will continue to collect evidence and send out subpoenas and talk to witnesses, they will continue to add to and potentially put out subsequent reports as they get more information on this. So obviously theyre putting out what they believe to be the bulk of their findings, but this will be a rolling process from here on out. And so no rest for the wicked. And rachel, as i was listening to your interview with chairman schiff, when he got to his emphasis about President Trumps obstruction of justice, obstruction of congress, it really sounds like he certainly wants to see, at least he wants to see if theres going to be articles of impeachment. An article that is specifically about the obstruction that the president has brought to the congress investigation. Yes. I think that is exactly my same read on it. I mean, and he makes a substantive point. I think a lot of us watching this process look at sort of expressions of concern, the expressed objections from chairman schiff, from other members involved in this process, and say, yeah, youre frustrated, you want to be getting this stuff from the white house and youre not getting it. But if you spend too much time objecting to the white house not giving you stuff, youre going to get bogged down, theyre going to be allowed to stonewall this thing forever, theyre going to drag this out until after the election, however long they want it to go. What schiff is articulating is saying, this is about precedent, this is about whether or not white houses in the future ever just direct members of their staff to not respond to subpoenas, to not hand over documents, to pretend like congressional oversight isnt a real thing. Regardless of how utilitarian these objections may be in the moment, hes like, we got to play for the long haul. All right, rachel. Tomorrow. Its tomorrow. Sometime tomorrow. I know. Thats when we get it. Im going to stay up all night. Great interview, rachel, thank you. Well, lisa page speaks. That is the title of molly john fasts article in the daily beast in which former fbi lawyer lisa page speaks publicly for the first time about her two years under public attack from the president of the United States. Lisa page said that it was Donald Trumps appearance at a rally a few weeks ago that made her finally realize she had to speak. It was the rally in which donald trump brought the presidency and Performance Art in general to a new low when he, according to many observers, including lisa page, publicly, on stage, into the microphone, faked an orgasm. I will leave to it you to judge exactly what donald trump was doing in that piece of video which we will show you at the end of this hour when molly john fast joins us with her exclusive report on lisa pages description of being endlessly attacked by the president of the United States. Lisa page says quote its sickening and she said its like being punched in the gut. We begin tonight with the steadily progressing impeachment investigation of the president of the United States and the president s stunning decision to refuse to defend himself. A decision no other president under investigation has ever made. The decision to simply not defend himself. Now if you were under investigation and you had information to prove your innocence, would you withhold that information . Would you not allow witnesses to testify who could help prove your innocence . Thats what donald trump wants you to believe. He wants you to believe that he is innocent and that he is withholding evidence and blocking witnesses who could prove that he is innocent. All you have to do is say that out loud to hear how ridiculous that idea is. But it means that so far the president of the United States is refusing to have his lawyers participate in the First Official impeachment hearing in the House Judiciary Committee this week. That strategy could easily change at any time. The president s lawyers will always be allowed to participate in the Judiciary Committees impeachment hearings. The rules of the impeachment investigation allow for the full participation by the president s lawyers in the Judiciary Committee. And so far the president s lawyers have nothing to say. They have no defense. The first hearing in the Judiciary Committee on wednesday will be a largely academic one with four law professors, including one selected by the republicans on the committee, offering their views on the impeachment process as described in the constitution and as established by centuries of congressional precedent. As chairman adam schiff described to Rachel Maddow in the last hour, the House Intelligence Committee had access tonight to review chairman schiffs report of the committees findings concerning President Trumps request to the president of ukraine to invite to investigate joe biden. Chairman schiff told rachel that the report will become public sometime tomorrow and the Intelligence Committee will meet at the end of the day tomorrow at 6 00 p. M. To vote on approving the report and then sending it to the House Judiciary Committee where it can then be considered as the basis for possible articles of impeachment. The house leadership announced tonight that they would keep the house of representatives in session an additional week in december. That means that the house of representatives will not recess for the Christmas Holiday until as late as december 20th. And that might mean that the House Judiciary Committee will use the first three weeks of december to bring articles of impeachment to a vote in the House Judiciary Committee. Leading off our discussion, jill winebanks, former Watergate Special prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst. John hollowman, editorinchief of the recount. We just heard from chairman schiff in the last hour saying the report is ready, it is written, its ready to go, it will be released tomorrow, well all have it by this hour tomorrow night. Exactly as nancy pelosi said they would at the beginning of this process. Lets be clear. I think what we have learned over the last year, but specifically in the last two months, is that the two crucial players in the house of representatives on this matter are nancy pelosi and adam schiff, both of whom made a political judgment for a long time they did not want to proceed with impeachment until it became absolutely necessary for matters related to questions of precedent, for questions what was they would allow to stand, because they thought the politics were tolerable to go forward. But they are still calling the tune. This big question that has hovered over once we get through thanksgiving, which was, and i dont think there was ever much of a question, because nancy pelosi and adam schiff were clear on it, was, would they let this thing drag . Would they give it all deliberate speed . Would they try to pursue through the courts, getting john bolton and other witnesses to come in . I think for weeks its been clear they would not do that, that they will have this vote done by christmas, and they are still sticking to that throughout. If you want to see whats going to happen over the course of these next few weeks, watch those two. We have something that chairman schiff said in the last hour. I think the control room has it ready. About where they are in this investigation and why they are not going to wait around at this point to gather more evidence. Lets see if we have that. You get to a point in an investigation where you can tell it is going to be a long time before you get the next valuable increment of information. Jill winebanks, i assume youve been there as a prosecutor where you have a case, you know theres more evidence to be gathered, but youre looking at the calendar, youre looking at how long it will take. I started as an organized crime prosecutor. I could have investigated for the rest of my life any one of the crime families, and i would have kept getting Bad Information every single day. But at some point, you say enough, its sufficient, i have enough to make a case. Its important that i take these people out of circulation, and i have to act now. And i think that was a very wise choice on the part of the house right now. And i would also say that although there is obviously a lot more that could be gained by the witnesses who have refused to testify, and i believe the courts will say they have to testify, in the meantime, it is perfectly legitimate, people in their everyday lives do this and courts allow it, you can say you can draw an adverse inference from the fact that they have failed to come forward. And thats enough. Between all the evidence that we have and the adverse inference from the fact that they have not brought forward anyone, if the president had something that would exculpate him, he would have presented that evidence. There is none. Thats the problem. Lets listen to what California Republican congressman Tom Mcclintock said about the president not participating in the Judiciary Committee hearing. I think it would be to the president s advantage to have his attorneys there. That is his right. But i can also understand how he is upset at the illegitimate process that we saw unfold in the Intelligence Committee. So you think they should bring in lawyers . I think its to his advantage, yes. The reason i showed that is Tom Mcclintock is one of those formerly reasonable conservative republican members of congress. You can get to a point in this discussion with him where he has to admit, yes, theres something a little strange about not defending yourself. Of course. Something more than a little strange. Theres something completely unprecedented as you pointed out earlier. And in some sense strange and not strange. Not strange in the sense that, if there was a case to be made on the facts, not only would the lawyers be present but these other witnesses we were just discussing, the boltons, mulvaneys, pompeos of world will be coming forward, the president would free all the fact witnesses to come forward if they had facts that would help exculpate him, he does not. On some sense its strange, on another level its the most rational thing the president s doing. This reminds me of what i used to hear criminal defense lawyers saying when i was hanging around courthouses, when they had somebody, lets just say a difficult defendant to represent. The question theyd ask each other is, can you put your guy on the stand . When they couldnt put their defendant on the stand, it meant that really there wasnt a very Strong Defense to be made from the witness stand. And this kind of feels like that. This feels like one of those cases where its like, well, what do you expect us to present . We dont really have a defense. The president is making a lot of noise about the process, attacking the process, claiming theres no point of making a defense in this process. But what defense would there be to offer . There is no defense. What they have said in the minority report, which is completely outrageous, is they simply say, there is no evidence to support the accusations. But they dont present any evidence that says there is a defense to those. And its sort of like, if i went into a bank and i wrote a check on my own bank account and cashed the check and then i pulled out a 21 and said to the teller, now give me all the money in the vault. The fact that i did a legal transaction by withdrawing from my own account does not legalize the fact that i pulled out a gun and robbed the bank. And the same thing is true right now in terms of this. Theyre saying, well, the president was concerned about ukraines corruption. Well, if he was, he never let anybody know. But even if he was, it wouldnt excuse the fact that he withheld the money and put in danger our National Security and that of ukraine, an ally, by doing that. And he helped only one person, himself, and putin. So i guess he helped two people, not just one. And that makes it illegal. It makes it criminal. And people have to understand the danger that this poses to our democracy and to the 2020 election. And that even though the election is less than a year away, we cant wait that long. We need to protect our election. And i think, unfortunately, he has pushed into the Democratic Party to the point where they had no choice but to bring impeachment. Jill winebanks, john heilemann, thank you both. When we come back, the president of ukraine speaks. He has submitted to an interview with Time Magazine, one of the interviewers who was there in the interview with president zelensky will join us. We call it the mother standard of care. Its how we bring hope to our patients like viola. Her team treated her cancer and strengthened her spirit. So viola could focus on their future. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. Appointments available now. Cancer Treatment Centers of america. Why are we doing this . Why are we doing what . 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Joining us now is Simon Schuster, correspondent for Time Magazine covering europe, russia, and ukraine. He joins us by phone from the ukrainian capital where he has been reporting about the impeachment inquiry. Also joining us, former u. S. Ambassador to russia during the obama administration, michael mcfaul, msnbc National Security analyst. Mr. Schuster, in your interview with president legzelensky, wha was your sense of what he was willing to say and not willing to say about his interactions with President Trump . Did you sense there were limitations about what he was willing to answer about that . Yes, most definitely there were limitations. The purpose of the interview was not at all to talk about impeachment or quid pro quos or any of the other things related to the impeachment inquiry. He wanted to talk about his ongoing war against prorussian forces in eastern ukraine, and most importantly, about the upcoming peace talks that he has next week with president Vladimir Putin of russia. When it came to impeachmentrelated issues and other issues that are stirring up such a storm of scandal in the United States, he was very hesitant. And you have to keep that in mind as you read the quote that you just read out. You know, even for him to step out and Say Something like that, that critical of the United States policy toward ukraine, is quite a risk for him. He is still extremely dependant on the United States for support, for financial support, and perhaps even more importantly for Political Support as he heads into these negotiations with putin. And as we said in the headline of the interview that i do read out, he feels all alone. So its extremely important for him to be cautious. You know, the situation with his dependance on the United States has not changed. And ambassador mcfaul, even with that dependance that mr. Shuster was just talking about, and i think were all very aware of, president zelensky did not say President Trump did nothing wrong. But of course donald trump characterized the interview as president zelensky saying he said, President Trump did absolutely nothing wrong, that is the trump summary of this interview. Thats not what this interview says. Thats right. Thats why i read the interview three times to see if theres any evidence to support what President Trump said. There was none. First of all, i congratulate simon. It was a great interview, a really interesting interview to get insight into the way president zelensky thinks. As he goes into these negotiations its really important for americans to understand he is at war with russia. Hes trying to get a ceasefire. This is the utmost importance. In previous administrations, in previous times, we supported the ukrainians 100 . Yet you have not heard a single word of support for president zelensky from President Trump as he goes into these very crucial negotiations. I just think its very important for people to understand, there are big National Security concerns under way here. We are talking very little about it, including the president himself. He almost never mentions it. Another complaint president zelensky has in the interview with Time Magazine and Simon Schuster is donald trump talking about corruption and ukraine. And of course lets remember its the only corruption in the world that donald trump has ever talked about. And president zelensky says, when america says, for instance, that ukraine is a corrupt country, that is the hardest of signals. It might seem like an easy thing to say, that combination of words, ukraine is a corrupt country. Just to say it and thats it. But it doesnt end there. Everyone hears that signal. Investments, banks, stakeholders, companies, american, european, companies that have International Capital in ukraine. Its a signal to them that says, be careful, dont invest. Or, get out of there. That is a hard signal. And mr. Schuster, its the kind of signal that Vladimir Putin must be very, very happy President Trump is sending about ukraine. I think Vladimir Putin has made that quite clear in his statements about two weeks ago when he said that, if im remembering correctly, thank god that now no one in the u. S. Is accusing russia of meddling in the 2016 elections, theyre now accusing ukraine. And i think the same thing goes for the constant conversation about corruption in ukraine. You know, that is a much better narrative for the u. S. Media and u. S. Political figures to be focused on than issues like u. S. Aggression against ukraine. Or u. S. Continued efforts to for russia to meddle in the u. S. Elections. So of course i think that goes along with what putin says, that this is a very positive development from russias perspective. Its quite a negative development from ukraines perspective. Its very painful. And the quote that you just read is the point where i think president zelensky became most upset and spoke most emotionally, most freely, really wanted to get the message across that, it is doing harm for u. S. Officials, including the u. S. President , to constantly be banging the drum about endemic corruption in ukraine. He admitted during the interview that, yes, ukraine has a major problem with corruption. But the way that its been framed as this sort of allencompassing problem within Ukrainian Society and ukrainian politics, that President Trump is somehow trying to root out by freezing the aid this summer and fall, you know, he says that that really hurts the country, it hurts him, and it prevents the country from attracting the kind of foreign support that it needs to defend itself against russia. And ambassador mcfaul, this is the kind of thing, of course, that any ambassador to ukraine would tell the president not to say for specifically these reasons . Exactly. And lawrence, im really glad you underscored that passage. I found it to be the most powerful. Remember, zelensky was elected president because he was an anticorruption candidate. People need to understand that. This was the moment they were going to throw out all the corrupt people. Thats why he won. And so right as he enters to do that, brings in one of the youngest governments in all of europe, brandnew people, the president of the United States is saying, oh, wait a minute, im going to withhold aid to fight corruption. Thats exactly the wrong signal. And most americans now associate ukraine with the word corruption. Thats not in ukraines interests, its not in americas interests. Ambassador michael mcfaul, Simon Schuster of Time Magazine, thank you both for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. When we come back, republican president ial candidate bill weld will join us. He worked as lawyer in the impeachment investigation of president Richard Nixon. And he is running against donald trump for the republican president ial nomination. Bill weld joins us next. [farmers bell] burke at farmers insurance, weve seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a threering fender bender. clown 1 sorry about that. clown 2 apologies. clown 1 . 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Two president s have survived impeachment investigations, but no president has ever survived a stronger than expected challenge in the New Hampshire primary. In 1968, president Lyndon Johnson won the New Hampshire primary but democratic senator Eugene Mccarthys stronger than expected secondplace showing meant the beginning of the end of the johnson reelection campaign. President george h. W. Bush won the New Hampshire primary ought the beginning of his reelection campaign, but Pat Buchanans strong secondplace finish was an accurate forecaster of how vulnerable president bush would be in the general election against bill clinton. Now massachusetts former governor bill weld is challenging donald trump in the republican president ial primary. The latest New Hampshire primary poll shows bill weld rising to 14 against donald trump. So how scared is donald trump of bill weld . Well, team trump has convinced republicans in some states to just cancel their president ial primaries. And other states are blocking republican candidates from getting their names on the republican president ial primary ballots. Joining us now is former republican governor of massachusetts running for the republican president ial nomination against President Trump. During watergate he was counsel of the how Judiciary Committee on the republican staff. Things are operating very differently with both the republican staff and the republican members of the impeachment investigation. Now what is your reaction to what you are seeing in the way the republicans are approaching this investigation of the president . I dont really think they have any evidence. Theyre saying there is no evidence, but thats not an argument. Its a conclusion. And i would call it a legal conclusion. Its bereft of any legal support. Theyre saying these are nameless, faceless bureaucrats hurling these accusation in this last time i looked, gordon sondland, mega donor to trump, political appointee, buried everybody, threw everybody under the bus perhaps i shouldnt use that phrase, but he was very clear, we all did this because the president directed us to do it, yeah, there was a quid pro quo. What has happened to the Republican Party since the time you were working on the staff of the impeachment investigation, on the republican side . And where we are today . Well, that was a different era. Im so sorry to say. And it was fiercely fought. And jim saint claire, representing president nixon, fought for the right of cross examination. Albert jenner and john doer on the other side said, we dont want to give you too much. But it was, you know, contested fairly evenly. Wound up being 10 republicans going against the president and seven going the other other way around, 10 going for him, 10 going against. The republicans issued a document establishing their position. Basically what you just said. They dont argue the evidence. They dont get into details of evidence. They simply say this. The evidence does not establish that President Trump pressured ukraine to investigate burisma holdings, Vice President joe biden, hunter biden, or ukrainian influence in the 2016 election for the purpose of benefiting him in the 2020 election. So theyre simply saying, it doesnt establish what the democrats say. Im so sorry but the july 25th transcript which had 12 witnesses to it establishes that beyond any doubt. It was confirmed by a number of live witnesses. And there was no rebuttal. So the evidence does establish that. And saying it doesnt really doesnt advance the inquiry very much. Youre a former federal prosecutor, former u. S. Attorney in boston. Evidence like that is the kind of evidence that you are always, i assume, trying to find . Oh, yeah. No, this is a slam dunk case. Really. Just ask the 10 obstruction articles against in the mueller report, against President Trump. You never see evidence of obstruction like that. Someone the ringleader ordering people to destroy evidence and file false documents and commit perjury . Ive never seen that in an obstruction case, and ive presided over quite a few. Please stay with us across this commercial break. I want to pick up exactly there when we come back, be right back with bill weld. My body is truly powerful. I have the power to lower my blood sugar and a1c. Because i can still make my own insulin. And trulicity activates my body to release it like its supposed to. Trulicity is for people with type 2 diabetes. Its not insulin. I take it once a week. It starts acting in my body from the first dose. Trulicity isnt for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. Dont take trulicity if youre allergic to it, you or your family have medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2. 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So if you had your original washington job back and you were working on the staff of the Judiciary Committee now, would you see articles of impeachment taking shape . Oh, there are three potential articles that just scream out. Number one would be the ukraine matters, which extortion and bribery of a foreign power to interfere in internal affairs and president ial matters, an election in which the president was a candidate. That also involves use of the president s office to try to advance his personal gain. Those are the two things the framers were most worried about, foreign interference, and corruption of the office. Two would be the 10 examples of obstruction of justice in the bob mueller report, which 1,000 federal prosecutors signed a document saying its among the most clear and convincing overwhelming cases of obstruction of justice theyve ever seen. And three could be, just like in nixon action obstruction of congress. Obstruction of justice by refusing to play the role that article ii assigns to the president of the United States. Thats interfering with the proper workings of government. Thats quite essentially what the impeachment and removal power is aimed at. They better come up with Something Else by way of defense if and when this thing goes to the senate or theres not going to be much to talk about. But what do you make of a Republican Senate in which so far the no defense is an adequate defense for republican senators . Well, its no defense at all. I dont know whether chief justice roberts, who presides over that trial, would have something to say. That. Theres a common misunderstanding. People seem to think the senate controls all those proceedings. The house appoints managers to come and conduct the proceedings as prosecutors on behalf of the house. So if everyone throws up their hands and says, we dont know what youre talking about, thats just not a very impressive performance. Were hearing from republican senators now. They are parroting this case that Vladimir Putin makes which is that ukraine attacked our election, russia did not attack our election. Now republican senators saying, well, they both did, russia did, but ukraine did it just as badly. They seem this seems to be many people have said this is actually in service to what Vladimir Putin wants people to be saying in this country, and republican senators are saying it. Yeah, so far as im aware, u. S. Intelligence services did not uncover evidence that ukraine was interfering in the election, quite the contrary. Russia was. So this again is the putin storyline. And its part of what the president s done by insulting nato and trying to undercut it. And basically siding with russia in crimea. With holding the javelin missile funds from ukraine so that russian tanks could continue to roll across the border and fire with impunity. Its all part and parcel of a prorussia tilt, and yes, mr. Putin must be delighted. When you talk to Republican Voters in New Hampshire and elsewhere about this particular issue, about the ukraine phone call, about what the evidence theyve seen, are they defensive of the president . Are you finding Republican Voters who are bothered by what theyre seeing they dont want to talk about the details. Theyre just so sick of it. All over the country people are just exhausted. But i will say, when i was in a parade in concorde, New Hampshire, maybe ten days ago, people were coming into the middle of the parade route, grabbing me, saying, get this guy out of there thats their view. Massachusetts governor bill weld, thank you very much for joining us. And so today it was georgia who decided no republicans on the president ial primary ballot. Theyre fixing it for donald trump in georgia. Right. It just keeps happening that way. Yeah, i cant wait to see how all that pans out. One state is trying to keep us off the ballot now after having cashed our check for 15,000 to get on the ballot. You are facing challenges no ones ever faced before on this. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you, lawrence. Former fbi lawyer lisa page is finally speaking out about being attacked endlessly by the president of the United States. She describes those attacks in emotional terms exclusively to molly jongfast in an interview in the daily beast. Molly jongfast will join us next. Thousands of women with metastatic Breast Cancer, which is Breast Cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. Ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr her2 metastatic Breast Cancer, as the first hormonal based therapy. Ibrance plus letrozole significantly delayed disease progression versus letrozole, and shrank tumors in over half of patients. 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I love you, peter i love you too, lisa lisa, i love you, lisa, lisa, oh god i love you, lisa and thats the moment that changed everything for lisa page, according to molly jongfasts report in the daily beast. She said, i had stayed quiet for years hoping it would fade away, but instead it got worse, it had been so hard not to defend myself, to let people who hate me control the narrative, i decided to take my power back. Joining us is molly jongfast, whose article in the daily beast is entitled lisa page speaks. Molly, thank you for joining us. Its an extraordinary piece. Weve been wondering about this woman for years as the president attacks her on a daily basis. And here she is finally telling us not only how shes felt about it, but why she came out, that moment, just in october, when the vulgarian in chief does something weve never seen before. It was an amazing moment to sit with her two weeks later and to hear her tell me that that was the thing that made her decide she was going to take it back. I mean, i felt very honored to get to be a part of that moment. And just for the record, for the audience, her offense against donald trump is that she was, in 2016, during the president ial campaign, watching the most incompetent, least informed president ial candidate in history, she watched him with fear, like most of americans, and like most americans, she didnt want him to be president. And she privately communicated that with others and texts of that private communication eventually became public, including private communication with her a former lover of hers at the fbi. They had a right to that private communication, they had a right to the personal view that donald trump should not be president , would be a bad president , they were completely right about that. Right. And donald trump has attacked her and others as if they had no right to ever think that he would be a bad president. Well, the only possible law that they could have broken would be the hatch act. And they they didnt break the act. But ironically, Kellyanne Conway breaks the hatch act all the time. He takes. So theyre always obsessed with saying that people are doing the things that theyre actually doing. Hatch act is publicly advocating for a client which government workers cant , do which spermsz do. And then the issue becomes was her judgment in any of the elements involving the investigation of the russian interference in our election, was it colored by the fact that she didnt want donald trump to be president and we have no evidence of that . Shes been totally exonerated. This ig report will exonerate her further because weve seen it in the links. Why did the president why were these Text Messages leaked and how does the president use women to distract . How does he get his base all ginned up with misogyny, and we see it again and again and again, you know. It almost seems like he would have to invent a lisa page if he didnt have one. Or a Christine Blasey ford or marie yovanovitch. Its just this continual women that he finds to use, to abuse. And you see and your reporting indicates that for donald trump theres extra fuel in this when its a woman hes attacking. Yeah. And i think theres this weird sexual angle, like the lover, lisa page. But he gets more involved in the narrative when its a woman. I am always shocked. Like, we saw with e. Jean carroll. I wrote about her. He just went after her. This is my favorite trump things he does. I mean no disrespect. He uses that phrase. Right. That doesnt negate the disrespect. What did you find who is this woman, lisa page, who you spent time with . Shes amazing. Shes completely selfmade. She was one of the only women she was the only woman in her doj honors course. Shes just a very extraordinary, smart woman. Andy mccabe thought he really trusted her with everything. And shes a lawyer and shes very lawyerly. She speaks just shes just really a great person. The daily beast has the piece. It is such an honor to have you here. Ive been following your thinking and writing and tweeting for years and years and years. Great to have you here. Thank you. Really appreciate it. When we come back, 13yearold managy fondue gets tonights last word. Limu emu doug and now for their service to the community, we present limu emu doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] its an honor to tell you that Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. And now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Applebees new sizzlin entrees. Now starting at 9. 99. I wanted more from my copd medicine thats why ive got the power of 1, 2, 3 medicines with trelegy. 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