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A british law degree. His American Experience makes him one of the very best explainers of british politics and brexit to an american audience. You can follow him on twitter and you should follow every word he has to say tonight when he joins us on this historic night for the United Kingdom with parliament now going out of session until october 14th after denying british Prime Minister Boris Johnson everything he wanted from parliament, including the right to schedule a new parliamentary election in the United Kingdom. David lammy will join us with the latest on the political and governmental chaos in london at this hour. He will get the last word in this hour. And we will be joined tonight by someone who might be entering the race for United States senate in georgia and might finally confirm that he is running during our interview tonight. And we begin tonight with breaking news. There is breaking news tonight from nbc news and the New York Times about a spy inside the russian government who worked for the cia for years and was extracted from russia by the cia in the first year of the trump presidency. Cnn reported earlier that the cia extracted the spy in part because of fears that President Trump might leak information about the spy to russians, including possibly Vladimir Putin. But the New York Times is reporting tonight that the cia had other concerns about ways the spys identity might be compromised, and the cia was considering extracting the spy from russia to safety because reporters for nbc news and the New York Times and the Washington Post began reporting about the cias possible sources inside the kremlin in 2016. The New York Times reports tonight the moscow informant was instrumental to the cias most explosive conclusion about russias interference campaign that president Vladimir Putin ordered and orchestrated it himself. As the american governments best insight into the thinking and orders from mr. Putin, the source was also key to the cias assessment that he affirmatively favored Donald Trumps election and personally ordered the hacking of the Democratic National committee. The informant, according to people familiar with the matter, was outside of mr. Putins inner circle, but saw him regularly and had access to high level kremlin decision making, easily making the source one of the agencys most valuable assets. The New York Times report tonight includes this about former cia director john brennan. The informants information was so delicate that john brennan kept information from the operative out of president Barack Obamas daily brief in 2016. Instead, mr. Brennan sent separate intelligence reports, many based on the sources information in special sealed envelopes to the oval office. Leading off our discussion now with more reporting about this story is intelligence and National Security correspondent for nbc news ken dilanian, who today tracked down a person who reports to be, quote, a former senior russian official living in the Washington Area under u. S. Government protection. Ken, what more can you tell us about your reporting . Sure, lawrence. Well, i cant report to our satisfaction that this is in fact the asset referred to by the New York Times, cnn and now the Washington Post. What i can say is this is a russian Government Official with access to Vladimir Putin, a high level official who is now living in the United States under u. S. Government protection, living in the washington, d. C. Area, in fact. And i went to his house today, and i knocked on his door. He didnt appear to be home. There was no answer. I went back to my car on the street, and as i was sitting in my car, an suv with two young men came screaming down the street right at my car, parked nose to nose. It seemed to be in a hurry. I was a little concerned. I stepped out of the car. I walked over to them. I asked if i could help them, and then they asked if they could help me, and we kind of went round and round. They were asking who i was. I was asking who they were. It was pretty clear that they were monitoring that house, that they saw me there somehow, detected that i was there and came quickly. And weve been asked by the u. S. Government to withhold some key details about this individual, including his name and the reason we began looking at him because they say his life is in danger. And they are now moving him from that location, him and his family because essentially he has been discovered. While we arent naming him, it wont be hard for others to figure out who he is, lawrence. Ken, i think a lot and judging on Twitter Response to your appearance with rachel in the last hour, a lot of people are wondering if his life was in danger, how could he be first of all located in proximity to washington, d. C. Like that. Yeah. Why would he be located there . And if his life was in danger be in such a position that he would be using his real name, and that you would be able to find him. Exactly. Thats the question ive been asking u. S. Officials and others with knowledge of this situation all day. And the answer im getting is kind of nuanced, lawrence. What they tell me is its probably not a secret to the russians that this man is there and that he was a spy and that he was exfiltrated by the cia. The russians knew that when he disappeared, right. But what theyre saying is its one thing for him to be living here in secret. They dont expect that hell be the target of an assassination attempt. That hasnt happened on american soil that we know of, although it did happen in the United Kingdom. What they worry about, though, is when it becomes publicized that this person was spying for the cia, that this is a person close to putin, that they say is like poking the bear. It infuriates Vladimir Putin, and he is more likely to do things that threaten this persons life, and thats the situation they feel they are in now. So while they may not have been as worried 48 hours ago, now that he has been discovered, theyre more worried. While i was able to get to the house, and then there was a response, now it seems that he is under greater protection. Ken, lets go become to the New York Times, the basic reporting on this the asset, the russian asset that the cia had who has been extracted who leave aside for the moment whether thats the same person whose door you knocked on. In that information theyre saying this is the person who provided the essential keys of the russia investigation preelection . Absolutely. And theyre reporting that this is an asset that the cia had been cultivating more nor than a decade as he moved up the ranks in the russian government. And thats another reason that some people believe that the person i talked to is the same person. Because there arent the cia does not have very many high level sources inside the kremlin with access to Vladimir Putin. If they had more than one during a period, i would actually be surprised. So this person, while he wasnt in putins inner circle, the times reports, he saw Vladimir Putin on a regular basis and had access to his decision making. And he was the source of the information that putin directly ordered this 2016 election interference campaign, directly ordered the hack of the dnc and wanted to hurt Hillary Clinton and help donald trump. We had reported and others reported during the Election Campaign that that information came from human sources, and it was a cia assessment. And now were learning that it came from in particular this high level source who apparently has been exfiltrated from russia. Ken dilanian, i know youre going to be developing more on this. I can kind of tell the way this story was unfolding today that by 10 00 p. M. Tonight, we would know a lot more than we knew when we were thinking about it this afternoon. Thank you very much for joining us, ken. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Were joined now by mieke eoyang. Shes a former staff member of the house intelligence committee. Also joining us john heilemann, National Analyst for nbc and msnbc, coexecutive producer of showtimes the circus. Mieke, this is one of the nights where we really need you and your intelligence experience and expertise. This story is so strange, not just for me, but i know for viewers out there that there could be this very, very valuable cia asset, so valuable that he had to be actually she perhaps, who knows, this person had to be extracted from russia for their own safety after delivering so much highlevel, highvalue information. But then living under the persons real name in the Washington Area . Should we be as stunned by this or is this not so surprising to you. Well, this has happened before during the cold war. What . This has happened before . During the cold war, right, when it was the soviet union, we did have high level sources, and many of them have lived in the United States and were exfiltrated from russia. Some of them are actually out there in their true name and have written books about their time in the soviet union. So its not so unusual that this happens. The question is why, because we know that Vladimir Putin gets very sensitive about people who have betrayed him and his regime and who go back out there into the world like Sergei Skripal who was killed in london. So i think there is tremendous risk to this individual. But one of the things that this story shows, that the cia goes to Great Lengths to protect its human sources. They were very concerned about his safety. They exfiltrated him from russia. They brought him to the United States. They have him under protection here. They need the world to know that they take the protection of their sources very seriously. But mieke, when we say its happened before, it happened during the soviet regime, but those books didnt come out until the soviet regime was over. This is someone whos in danger right now. And i dont think it i dont think it sounds very protected that this person is in so much danger of mortal danger that a reporter like ken dilanian can simply walk up to the door and knock on the door. That doesnt sound especially safe. I dont want to underplay kens reporting skills on this, but i do think that there is some question about how people feel at the cia about russias willingness to engage in activities and attacks on american soil. That has really been a red line in the u. S. russia relationship in the sort of spy versus spy world. Once people get here and once theyre under cia protection, people typically have not have not found themselves in danger the same way. Thats not the same as people who are still on russian soil. And even american operatives on russian soil have faced really dangerous circumstances. They get hassled. They can get assaulted. They are pretty aggressive in other places. It may just not be theyre as concerned about it in the United States. John heilemann, one of the elements of the reporting in the New York Times is this is the loss of a major asset. I mean, this russian asset has been brought to safety in the United States, but the times reporting has indicated that that information flow hasnt been replaced. Right. And i think its incredibly reading from people who know more about this than you and i who follow this world, everyone is noting just how devastating this loss is for americas Intelligence Capacity in general, but particularly modern russia at a time when we know the russians were successful in attacking our democracy in 2016, when they waged other attacks on our democracy in 2018 and we expect them to wage further attacks on our democracy in 2020. We are now as many the metaphor that keeps coming through, the single word metaphor, we are blind. We are blind. At the highest level of the russian government, we had the magic asset, the kind of asset that comes along once in a generation for the american government, now gone at a moment when the russian government, when Vladimir Putin are emboldened and have been invited to meddle in American Election 2020. Were flying far more blind than we were in 2016. We couldnt stop them then. This puts us 234 a very bad position going into the next election. Mieke, there is also a question in a lot of the reporting about the ability to recruit an asset like that now because russian sources, people working within the russian government who might in some point in the past been inclined to help the United States would probably be living in the fear that the information about what theyre doing would not be safe necessarily in those private discussions that donald trump has with Vladimir Putin with no one else in the room. That is a very big concern. Look, these assets take a very long time to develop. As you see according to the reporting, this is a person they had been trying to recruit over a decade, hoping to plant lots of seeds and hope some of them grow into the right places. I think thats a real challenge when you have a president who is as cavalier with classified information as the president has been both in his tweets and to other foreign adversaries. It make it very hard for the cia to do its job recruiting human sources when those sources are worried that the president of the United States will reveal their identities or reveal information that would allow the adversary to figure out who they are. Hopefully, this is not the situation that will go forward indefinitely, and we will eventually get back to a place where we have president s who are very careful about classified information and in particular human sources. We have big news from the House Judiciary Committee today. The committee announced it is formally now moving into impeachment mode, and that on thursday of this week, the committee will vote on the procedures, quote, for future hearings related to its investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment with respect to president donald trump. The new procedures will allow house judiciary chairman jerry nadler to designate full or partial hearings to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment. Committee counsel may question witnesses for an additional hour beyond the five minutes allotted for each member of congress on the committee. Evidence may be received in closed executive session. This allows the committee to protect the confidentiality of sensitive materials when necessary such as with grand jury materials, and the president s counsel may respond in writing to evidence and testimony presented to the committee. Today chairman nadler said this. The president is clearly is trying to run out the clock. The president has been said he would deny impose all subpoenas. That was article 3 of the nixon impeachment that the president opposed subpoenas. Nixon wasnt foolish enough to say in advance he was going to oppose all subpoenas. That in itself i think is a high crime and misdemeanor under the constitution this youre on strubbing the work of congress in investigating. John heilemann, impeachment is on. Well, certainly on in the mind of jerry nadler who wanted to proceed in this way for a while. I think the question now is a couple of things. We talked about the clock over the months. Youve got jerry nadler who would like to commence the impeachment process. You have nancy pelosi who still seems to not want to go down that path. The question of whether this road map thats been laid out, whether this turns out to be largely a political exercise in which the leverage of opening impeachment is used to try the get politically damaging witnesses, fact witnesses in front of the various committees, people like don mcgahn who can do some political damage to the president , or whether it is really a pathway towards impeachment. I think that question remains unresolved. I said something about the the clock a second ago. Man, there are not very many legislative days this congress has scheduled in session this fall. If you believe that with a very limited legislative calendar Going Forward and a president ial election a couple of months away that youre going to launch into a genuine real impeachment process, not a political one, but real one to try to get the president impeached in the house if not convicted in the senate, man, its hard for me to see how thats going to happen. Im not ruling it out, but it does not look that likely. Mieke, with your experience on house committees, it looks like there is a lot of procedural advantages for jerry nadler in the recommendations that theyre going to vote on thursday. Thats right. And by tying it to an impeachment inquiry, you are really amping up the powers of the house in this investigation, and its not really important whether or not this is a formal impeachment inquiry or an oversight investigation into potential crimes committed by the president. I disagree with john a little bit. I dont think this is just a political exercise. Every day we are treated to new stories of things that the president has done that if done by other elected officials, would be considered public corruption, would be violation to the emoluments clause, would be considered obstruction of justice. They have to build an evidentiary foundation for that, and thats going to mean going and looking into things beyond just what was in the mueller report, and they need the subpoena power and the investigative power to be able to do that. And meanwhile, john, committees like House Armed Services will probably be looking into how frequently does the air force land near the trump golf course in scotland and then have the crews stay at the trump hotel and what other trump properties. So there is this other arena of kind of administration scandal. Right. That other committees request be investigating at the same time that will get headline just as big. Indeed. You think about laid out today on a bunch of fronts. Its not merely an impeachment procedure road map, but in a broader investigative road map of the ways in which how costly if we look back, 2018, losing control of the house is going to be to donald trump. In a runup to president ial election, where now the president has three intraparty opponents running against him, where hes got an array of democrats and now he has a house controlled by democrats who can launch an array of investigations across matters of corruption, malfeasance, the emoluments clause, the armed forces investigation you just talked about. This is not the way you want to run for reelection. Its not the way you like to cruise straight in with no obstructions before you meet up with your ultimate general election opponent in the summer of 2020. Donald trump is going to be tied up in knots for months. John heilemann and mieke eoyang, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. Really appreciate it. And when we come back, Stacey Abrams insists that georgia can win it all for the democrats next year with 16 electoral votes for president and two senate seats at stake in georgia. 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Here is some of wsvns report last night. Theyre saying that they just got a call from cbp, and cbp told them that everyone that doesnt have a u. S. Visa and who is traveling on Police Record has to come off. At the last minute like this, its kind of disappointing. Its hurtful, because watching my daughters cry. I think this is terrible. I think they should allow everyone to come into the u. S. They originally said you can come without a Police Record and without a visa, and now theyre taking that back. Thats really ridiculous. Today President Trump thought it was perfectly reasonable to deny hurricane victims a trip to safety. He then invented things about the people trying to flee to safety, saying that some were, in his words very bad people. He accused some of them of being gang members, and of course, quote, very bad drug dealers, quote. Thats his standard accusation for people who are not white and seeking refuge in the United States. The president seems to believe that his reelection depends on antirefugee, antiimmigrant policies and rhetoric. But a new book by the democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg argues that americans in the trump era are more accepting of immigrants than they have ever been, and increasingly diverse and pro immigrant america could be the end of not just trumps presidency, but the entire republican party. Stan greenberg writes stoking the antiimmigrant fires will end badly for trumps gop. The proportion believing immigrants strengthen the country with their hard work and talents has surged to 65 , just as trump was charging that immigrants fueled gangs and included murderers and rapists. The proportion who said immigrants, quote, burden the country by taking jobs, housing and health care plummeted to just 26 in mid 2017. Three quarters in mid 2018 favored granting permanent legal status to immigrants who came to the u. S. Illegally as children. The country settled these issues. They are not contested. Joining our discussion now is Stanley Greenberg. He is the pollster to president s, president ial candidates and Prime Ministers across the globe. And the most important reason to listen to Stan Greenberg is that he is lucky enough to be married to connecticut democratic congresswoman rosa delauro who has taught him everything he knows about politics. He is author of the new book r. I. P. Gop how the new america is doing the republicans. That book is out tomorrow. Stan, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Okay. Whenever we begin a segment with pollsters after 2016, i know the audience thinks hey, the pollsters got it wrong in 2016. Why should we listen now. What have we learned from 2016 . And where do you think we are now . What is your book telling us about where we are now. I think all of us learned a lot about america, not just polling. You know, i think many of us woke up the day after the womens march, im sure you did. Im sure your whole coverage changed as you covered day by day the intense politics that played out and is reported on your show at night. The last show. Now we have but now what i did, i got up every morning, wrote this book because what i believed, believed at the time and believe now is that Donald Trumps victory will speed the accelerate the defeat of the republican party, because whats happened is as women became more conscious of their need for equality and independence after watching him across the board. So weve watched it on immigration. But you can see it in every area. But you can see it in every area. On immigration, its probably the most important. And in some ways reassuring. Its so tragic to watch whats happening in the bahamas, watch whats happening with immigrants, but also knowing that people are becoming very conscious of our history, our values, that were an immigrant country, and that this fight against a diverse america is leading this country, a great majority of this country to say enough, resist, we will sink this republican party, which is battling against our diverse country. You are confident about the 2020 president ial election. You say the states of pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, and minnesota will not be close, nor will maine, New Hampshire and virginia. Iowa will be back in the democratic column. Whats the basis for that, stan . Well, first of all, i think we need to pay a lot of attention to the 2018 midterm elections, which were much bigger than people i think imagined. Obviously, there was a big swing, and it was visible in the number of seats in the suburban seats that went to the democrats across the country, gave them the 40 seats, that gave them the majority that they currently have. But the biggest swing of voters in that election was the 14point swing of rural voters compared to where trump performed in 16, and about a 14point swing of White Working Class voters, both men and women who turned against the president. Now because the statewide senate races were in the most red states and are incumbents greatly outperformed what trump did in those states, nonetheless, it hid what was going on what was happening in the country. There was already a pullback of many of these voters. Not the base voters. The core of his party, the reason why he is pursuing the policies he is that he has his base of Tea Party Evangelical and observing catholics who are still with him. But the secular conservatives, the moderate women independents have been driven away. And we now face a lot of trump voters who are swing voters, not the base, who are saying what was i thinking . They look at him on tv, and we played in focus groups, we played tv ads of the rallies, you know, of watching him speak about what he was doing. And they shake their head. They look at the divisiveness. They look at the lack of respect for women. And there has just been a movement away in places that lead you to say this is not what were going to were not going to face in 20 what we faced in 16. Stanley greenberg. The book is rip gop. Stan, thank you very much for joining me. Thank you for having me. When we come back, we now have breaking news to report to you in the Georgia Senate race. The Atlanta Journal constitution has just reported that john ossoff will run for senate in georgia. We will be joined by john ossoff next to confirm this breaking news about the Democrats Campaign to knock Mitch Mcconnell out of the majority leaders job in the state senate. Thats next. 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Those are extraordinary opportunity, and georgias the place to fight voter suppression, but also fight for democratic votes. Jon ossoff was the democratic candidate in a election in 2018 who showed us how much the political ground has shifted in georgia in the first year of the trump presidency, running in a district that the last republican had won by 23 points. Jon ossoff came within three points of winning that house seat, which was a big clue about the big blue wave that was to follow in the next election. When jon ossoff decided not to run for that seat again in 2018, lucy mcbath did run, and she is now one of the freshmen democratic members of the house who has transferred control of the house to the democrats. Tonight, within the last hour, the Atlanta Journal constitution has reported that on the very day that the abrams playbook has declared georgia the premier battleground state in the country, jon ossoff has decided to heed Stacey Abrams advice to democrats and fight for democrats in georgia by running for the United States senate. And joining us now for an exclusive interview to tell us about his decision to run is jon ossoff. Jon, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you. You can confirm you are a candidate for the United States senate in georgia . Tomorrow morning ill be announcing my candidacy for the United States senate in georgia. Im excited, and im excited to be here tonight. Which seat . There two seats. There is the seat where he recently announced he is going to retire, and then there is senator purdue, who is running for reelection. Which one are you going to be run for . Ill be challenging senator purdue. Senator purdue, this is a guy who in a half decade while children in rural georgia, one out of three of them live in poverty, while georgia has the highest Maternal Mortality rate in the country, this man has not once in five years come down from his private island to hold a single public town hall. He is a caricature of washington corruption, and im running because we face a crisis of political corruption in this country. When nine out of ten americans support universal background checks for firearms purchases, but congress refuses to act because theyre bought by the nra, thats corruption. When the federal government is silencing its own scientists, its own environmental scientists because their findings threaten the profitability of the fossil fuel industry, thats corruption. As power becomes concentrated in fewer and fewer hands and wealth becomes concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and those wealthy and powerful groups can spend limitless amounts in secret on a vicious political propaganda to manipulate elections, thats corruption. Ive spent the last six years as an investigative journalist. I lead a team thats taken on powerful corporations, isis war criminals, crooked judges, all over the world. And we need now to mount an allout attack on political corruption in america, or im not sure our democracy will survive. What did you learn in your congressional race that you will bring into this race . And what will be the number one policy issue in this race in georgia . Well, lawrence, i was 29 when donald trump was elected president of the United States, and like millions of americans who have fought and worked tirelessly since then, i didnt sit back in despair. I stood up and ran for congress in a district where the last democrat had lost by 23 points. And everyone counted me out, but it became one of the toughest, closest races in american political history. The National Republican party all the way to the president himself made my destruction their number one priority. And what i learned is i will never be intimidated from telling my own story and touting my own accomplishments because of the inevitable partisan smears that come down from washington. We have to be bold and direct and clear in the face of that kind of intimidation. What about issues . Is health care the number one issue in this campaign . The interesting thing is that for all of the Political Division and all of the rancor that we face right now, most georgians and most americans agree on the solutions to our basic problems. Most georgians and most americans agree every american should have health care. Most georgians and most americans agree we have to save our environment and revolutionize our infrastructure. Most georgians and most americans want to get secret dark money out of politics. So the question is if there is a consensus, why arent these things happening . And its because there is a political corruption deeply embedded within our system that prevents the will of the people from being expressed through their elected representatives. David perdue is the image of washington corruption. He retired into the senate. I will go to the senate to work every day for georgians. Jon ossoff, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Please come back during the campaign. We want to hear more about it. Thank you very much. Thank you. After another chaotic and historic day in the british parliament, we will explain the latest Brexit Developments with the help of british actor Benedict Cumberbatch, and david lammy, the member of parliament who is the only mp i follow on twitter. Thats next. Welcome to fowler, indiana. One of the windiest places in america. And home to three bp wind farms. 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The speaker of the house of commons, john burco, today, announced that he will resign on october 31st, the date on which Prime Minister Boris Johnson has promised to take the United Kingdom out of the European Union even though parliament has passed a law preventing Boris Johnson from doing that unless he has somehow miraculously negotiated a lastminute final deal with europe for exiting the European Union. Here is an example of speaker john burco in action instructing new Prime Minister last week on the rules of the house of commons. That Labor Party Led by jeremy corbyn. Yeah, we dont name people in chamber. People must observe the rules. No. Order. Order. Order. I am simply and politely informing the Prime Minister of the very longestablished procedure with which everybody including the Prime Minister must comply. Thats the position. No doubt. No argument, no contradiction. End of the matter. Our next guest, Labor Party Member of Parliament David Lammy rose in the house of commons today to commend speaker john berkow who was first elected to parliament as a member of the conservative party. To stand up to that establishment. The next speaker has very, very big shoes to fill. Joining us now is david lammy, a member of the British Labor party. He represents a district of london in parliament. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. And i wanted to get your reaction to the resignation of speaker john berkow. Well, your viewers will know, john berkow has been an extraordinary speaker standing up for the sovereignty of parliament and ensuring that that benches like me get a say and get to hold this government and previous governments to account. Hes also been the most inclus collusive speaker ensuring women, minorities, those with disabilities get to put their views and get to hold the executive to account. Its a very sad day that after a decade, hes standing down. But hes staying right up to the 31st of october, and that shuj is hugely important. Theres another character in your politics emerging here in the United States i think for the first time and that is Dominic Cummings, an adviser to Boris Johnson. There are a couple of profiles of him a few days in a row here in the American News media. But he was played by benjamin cumbebatch in the tv movie about brexit. Thats the only familiarity i think american audiences have had. How important is Dominic Cummings in what is happening now . Well, hes the unelected Prime Minister. Hes hugely important. Hugely influential. Hugely dangerous. A master at the dark arts. Has very extreme, hardright politics. Has taken very strange views on issues like nugenics and is now driving this country after a cliff. He clearly has Boris Johnson in his pocket. He won the referendum in very dubious ways. Many of your viewers will understand what im saying when i say that. The use of facebook. Worries about International Interference from particularly from russia and other places, so very, very worried to see Dominic Cummings right at the center of power here in the uk and influencing events in europe as well. One unnamed member of the conservative party told the New York Times this weekend, referring to Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson, one is a charleton and the other a psychopath. I believe the charleton is Boris Johnson in that comparison. Is that overdone . No. Its not overdone. Something sick and cancerous has entered into the system here in the uk. This wonderful country. The mother of all parliaments behind me. One of the birthplaces of modern democracy and the sovereignty of a nation and those elected to represent it. And im afraid we are hugely divided. The conservative party, not my party, but nevertheless, a great party here in europe has been taken over by a bandit of Tea Party Extremists determined to wrench us out of the European Union using xenophobic, sometimes racist rhetoric to deliver that. And to deliver a small, smaller, United Kingdom because surely the scots, the welsh, and others will leave the United Kingdom and leave us in a small little england. Its deeply depressing. It has to be fought. Im very pleased that the opposition are coming together to try to defeat this mob. Now, you passed a law, parliaments passed a law saying that the Prime Minister must request an extension of time from the European Union, but there is new reporting suspecting that Boris Johnson will not obey that law. Is there any way the Prime Minister can avoid the requirements of that law . Its an Extraordinary Development that in the birthplace of the rule of law, we have a Prime Minister say that he will not implement a law that has been passed in this place to mandate it to ask for an extension in an event that he has no deal from the European Union. And, frankly, if he disobeys the law, then the metropolitan police will have to enter number 10, put him in handcuffs and arrest him because he must obey the rule of law. So theyre trying now to suspend parliament. I mean, literally, its like an episode of the handmaids tale and we must resist that, of course, but we, look, were not coming back until october the 14th. An extraordinary time of crisis in our country. And were now out of parliament because of what they are attempting to do. So were going to be in for a real fight in the middle of october. Lets see where it ends up, but as night follows day, im telling you, we will not be exiting the European Union on the 31st of october with a nodeal brexit. It will not happen. We will be entering into a general election, i suspect, in november, and fighting, frankly, for the future of this country. David lammy, thank you very much for joining us. Really appreciate it. Thank you. That is tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. Tonight, the Trump Administration in new hot water over the president s scotland resort as an overnight home for traveling service members. Over the president s attempt to change the weather forecast. Over the new reports just tonight that the cia has lost a great source in russia. Someone who was ordered extracted, taken out of there. And now the questions begin as to why. And the president cancels the invitation to the taliban to visit camp david days before 9 11. Just the thought of it was too much even for some loyal republicans