Its not something i can do with 25 candidates in the race indefinitely. I will keep trying. They keep you up because you are going back and saying i should have and then i should have. Woulda coulda shoulda. If i should have followed up that way and that way. You know how it is. The sleepless life of the perfectionist. I know. Im 14 and look like this. Thank you, rachel. Katie porter will join us. Many of you remember how a single mother could possibly survive financially on the entry level wage that Jpmorgan Chase pays single mothers and others in katie porters california district. Jamie diamond had no answer at all, but congresswoman porter just got a very interesting letter from Jpmorgan Chase that she will share with us later in this hour. Also later in the hour, we will see Savannah Guthries very sad interview with a new accuser of Jeffrey Epstein who says that he began sexually abusing her when she was 14 years old and that he forcibly raped her at 15 years old. Did Jeffrey Epstein rape you . He raped me. Forcefully raped me and knew exactly what he was doing. I dont think cared. What hurts even more so is if i was not afraid to come forward sooner, maybe he wouldnt have done it to other girls. I feel guilty to this day. We will listen to more of that deeply disturbing interview later in the hour. First, the most important thing to remember when reviewing todays news is something that is not part of todays news. Something that wasnt mentioned in the labor secretarys press conference about why he decided not to prosecute for sex crimes and the labor secretary was the u. S. Attorney in florida. The most important thing to remember about all of the news today involving the sex crimes of Donald Trumps old friend, Jeffrey Epstein and the refusal to prosecute those alleged crimes by alex acosta when he was a federal prosecutor is that donald trump is himself an accused sexual assaulter. An accused sex criminal. He stands accused by dozens of women. Donald trump does himself. Most recently he was accused of deliberate forcible violent rain. And even more important than that than the accusations, the president of the United States is a confessed sexual assaulter. I moved on her actually. She was there and moved on her and i failed. I admit it. I did try to [ bleep ] her. She was married. Thats the president of the United States. And only that president of the United States would ever have considered appointing alex acosta to anything years after alex acosta was exposed as the federal prosecutor who according to a florida federal judge violated the law and the way he handled the Jeffrey Epstein case. I moved on her like a [ bleep ]. I couldnt get there and she was married. She now has the big phony [ bleep ]. Only that president acosta. Any other president would have seen a day of reckoning was going to come eventually for alex acosta as it has now finally come. Only donald trump would not care about that day of reckoning and how alex acosta handled a major sex crimes case against a rich old friend of Donald Trumps in palm beach. I have to use tictacs in case i start kissing her. Im automatically a tracked to beautiful i just start kissing them. When youre a star, you can do anything. Grab them by the [ bleep ]. You can do anything. Thats Donald Trumps confession to sexual assault. You can do anything. Thats Donald Trumps description of the first sexually assaultive moves he likes to make on women. You can do anything. For donald trump, you can get away with anything. It means his friends and his people should be able to get away with anything. The white house staff can violate the hatch act whenever they want. You can do anything. Thats the motto of the trump white house. It certainly means that Donald Trumps labor secretary could make a deal not to prosecute an old friend of Donald Trumps for sex crimes and the labor secretary should be able to get away with that and donald trump should be able to get away with choosing alex acosta as his labor secretary because you can do anything. How about a little hug for donald. He just got off the bus. Melania said this was okay. Melania said this was okay. He appointed alex acosta and held a press conference in which he tried to explain his decision not to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein on federal charges. In 2008, a major newspaper described the epstein prosecution like this. A florida grand jury that is a grand jury convened by the District Attorney of Palm Beach County had charged epstein with the lesser offense. At that time the epstein legal team was elated. He would have avoided prison all together. Then the United StatesAttorneys Office in miami became involved. Epstein got an ultimatum. Plead guilty to a charge that would require jail time and registration or face federal charges. And that was the week more than 10 years ago that epstein went to jail. After alex acostas press conference in which he blamed the very forgiving deal he made with Jeffrey Epstein on the local palm beach prosecutor, Barry Krisher who gave this statement. I can emphatically state that his recollection of this matter is completely wrong. The u. S. Attorneys office produced a 53page indictment that was abandoned after secret negotiations between mr. Epsteins lawyers and mr. Acosta. The state Attorneys Office was not a part to those meetings and negotiations and definitely had no part in the federal nonprosecution agreement and the unusual confidentiality arrangement that kept everything hidden from the victims no matter how my office resolved the state charges. The u. S. Attorneys office always had the ability to file its own federal charges. Mr. Acosta should not be allowed to rewrite history. Barry krishers statement makes the central element of alex acostas defense today untrue. The state Attorneys Office was not a party to those meetings or negotiations and definitely had no part in the federal nonprosecution agreement. If that is true, that demolishes everything that alex acosta said today. He was asked about a private meeting with one of Jeffrey Epsteins defense lawyers that many legal observers are calling improper and unethical. The meeting that was alleged was a breakfast meeting that took place after the agreement was negotiated, not before. The agreement was signed in september. After the agreement was negotiated, one of epsteins attorneys asked for a meeting. A hearing. I was giving a speech. I was staying at a hotel. I agreed to have a brief meeting at 7 00 a. M. Rather than open the office, i spoke with that attorney. The miami Herald Reporter who exposed that meeting, julie brown, said this after this press conference today. Here talked about the meeting and how the deal had been signed by the meeting, time of the meeting, that october meeting. There was a piece of paper signed and they were still really in the thick of negotiations and it was certainly still talking about there was a followup letter from one of epsteins lawyers that went to mr. Acosta that said thank you very much for your agreement to keep this all secret. It was clear that that part of the agreement was discussed at that meeting that he had called some kind of false facts or fake news kind of thing about that meeting. The reality was their negotiations were going all the way through until june when he finally pled. He appealed to the justice department. There were all kinds of talk still goinga o on after the initial signing of that agreement. We asked if he was confident that the president would continue to support him. Im doing my job. If at some point the president decides i am not the best person to do this job, i respect that. That is his choice. I serve at the pleasure of the president. He serves at the pleasure of a president who is an admitted sexual assaulter. Donald trump is the only president in history who could find pleasure in having alex acosta in his cabinet. Leading off our discussion are carol lam from the Southern District of california and San Diego Superior Court judge. A former attorney from the Eastern District of michigan and legal contributor and ron is with us, a former senior aide to joe biden and president obama and a former chief counsel to the Senate Judiciary committee. Barbara mcquaid, i want to start with you with your experience as a federal prosecutor. Were you listening to the attorney explaining his decision not to prosecute someone in a major sex crimes case. What was your reaction to the totality of what you heard . Im ordinarily reluctant to criticize decisions by a fellow prosecutor because cases can be complicate and there might be reasons you would make a decision. Things he said did not ring true. One is the idea that he was somehow bound by what the state Court Prosecutor was doing. Because the state Court Prosecutor was going to charge a very low offense that somehow it was on him to rescue that case. As the prosecutor has stated, they were in no way bound together. He could have filed his own 53count indictment without regard to anything that the state Court Prosecutor was doing. I thought his answers were inadequate about protecting the credibility of the witnesses if the deal should fall apart. Thats no reason to violate the crime victims act and finally i also thought his answer was inadequate that granted immunity to any potential coconspirators. He said the focus was on the top player. That clause could apply to anyone in the world. To include it without specifying names, they specified names and also said and any potential coconspiror will not be prosecuted. You could drive a truck through that and makes me wonder if there was not someone else they were seeking to protect with that language. Many of us were listening and the whole thing is being blamed on the local Florida State prosecutor and wondering whats the local florida prosecutor going to say and pretty much after that press conference is over, he said all of that is untrue. Thats not a great situation when you had a press conference and the person was the person you were addressing and completely misstated what happened. Coming out of that press conference. He was congratulating the Southern District of new york for bringing charges based on what he said was new evidence. The Southern District of new york indicted epstein for events that took place partly in florida from 2002 to 2005. Those facts existed at the time acostas office was running their investigation. So to have entered into a nonprosecution agreement and say we are so happy that another district has done what we should have done 12 years ago, but we are blameless as barbara said, doesnt ring quite right. Ron, we are here discussing this because this is Donald Trumps world. This is the only president of the United States who in the vetting process for his labor secretary would have discovered this and they did. It was discussed by the vetters in the process. This history for alex acosta was perfectly okay for donald trump. Yeah. Lawrence, thats the key point. The biggest news is that there is no news here at all in some respects. This was known that mr. Acosta had bungled the case and a judge said he violated the law in not notifying the victims about his decision. There was information about his sweetheart deal and donald trump nominated him anyway and the majority of the senate and republicans confirmed him anyway. Not just for any job. Mr. Acosta is the senior federal official in charge of most of our antihuman trafficking programs. We have a person who turned the other way on the trafficking of young girls be in charge of now enforcing the laws that protect many young women in the workforce for these trafficking things. The only thing worse than putting alex acosta in charge of the Labor Department is the fact that we sit here and he is still in charge of the Labor Department and donald trump seems uninclined to do anything about it. What do you make for the one on one meeting with one of the Jeffrey Epstein lawyers . I dont know. He did point out that the agreement had been signed in september and that meeting occurred in october. He made quite a point of that. Therefore that meant it could not have had anything to do with the agreement whatsoever. As the reporter pointed out from the miami herald, what they were discussing there was not the substance of the agreement itself, but the secrecy of it and not informing the victims in miami instead of palm beach where the victims reside. I dont know if i was satisfied by the answers. The meeting occurred after the formal document was signed doesnt mean they didnt discuss things that might have been improper. It does seem odd to have a meeting to discuss the substance of the case without the prosecutors assigned to the case being present and involved in that discussion. If you were u. S. Attorney, you dont want to be in a meeting like that alone. You want today or in the future have your witnesses to come forward with the assistant u. S. Attorneys in the room with you to say this is what happened in the meeting. Im stunned that a u. S. Attorney would do a one on one meeting out of the office with a lawyer in a highly controversial case like this. Its a very, very dangerous thing to do. I had a policy against ever doing that. You want to have the line prosecuted to make sure what you are being o being told is true with respect to what happened in the case and as you mentioned, you dont want to footage thini meeting and tell the prosecutors the u. S. Attorney said we could do this. Then your prosecutors are left without resource because they were not at the meeting. The fact that it took place, thats the problem. Thats a dangerous thing to do. The House Oversight wants to go in. Alex acosta doesnt want to testify during his entire career as labor secretary. What happens next . What happens is i think that hes going to need attorney general barr to invent a special secret, wonderful amazing privilege that prevents the secretary of labor to testify before congress. If he does, he is going to be exposed for not just horrible judgment, but all the lies he now told about it and all the misleading statements. I dont see how he survives that hearing. If that hearing stays on the books, my guess is that the secretary may reconsider his position and resign before he has to testify before congress about the events he discussed today. Thank you all for starting us off on this important subject. Appreciate it. Thank you. When we come back, you will hear Savannah Guthries very, very sad, very grim interview this morning with a new accuser of Jeffrey Epstein who says he began sexually abusing her when she was 14 years old and she said that he forcibly raped her when she was 15 years old. Ry mo, they feel like they have to drink a lot of water. Medications seem to be the number one cause for dry mouth. Dry mouth can cause increased cavities, bad breath, oral irritation. I like to recommend biotene. 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She was poor and attended a high school for the performing arts and was recruited by a woman hanging around the high school scouting talent for Jeffrey Epstein. She described that recruiters technique with Savannah Guthrie on the today show. The first time she brought up the name Jeffrey Epstein, how did she describe him . A great guy. He helped me. She was similar to me. Did she say he could help you with your career. That was a big part. You used the phrase recruiter. 100 , yeah. When you met him, what did you think . Very nice. Saying that he heard a lot about me. The recruiter was talking such nice things. A few weeks later she said Jeffrey Epstein took her into his massage room. In that moment it didnt but at the same time i was scared too because i didnt know if he would get angry. I kind of just followed. I had just my underwear on. Thats how he liked it. I would give massages back. He would potentially later on turn over and play with himself. He would also like when i would play with his nipples. He used to get turned on by that. Then he would finish himself off and that would be the end of it. He would still give me the 300. Normally i would get it from the secretary who would leave it in a drawer in the massage room. How often do you think you were there . Once or twice a week my freshman year . Did you ever tell him your age . I told the recruiter. I mentioned it in front of him, yes. You are 14 years old. He knew very well my age. He knew who he was anxietyi iha with. When araoz turned 15, things took a turn. Take your underwear off and get on top. I said i didnt want to. He, you know, very forcefully kind of brought me into the table. I just did what he told me to do. I was really scared. I didnt think he was going to rape me. Did he hold you there . Yeah. Uhhuh. No question in your mind, he knew you didnt want that to happen . Yeah. There was no way. I dont want to say i was screaming or anything of that nature. But i was terrified and telling him to stop. Please stop. And did he . No, he did not stop. He had no intention of stopping. Thats what he wanted,thats what he got. When you left there, you never went back . After that day i never went back. I was terrified. I was really scared. I didnt want that to happen again. And you left school. Did you leave because it was in the same neighborhood . Yeah, it was so close. In your mind, did you use the word rape, did you recognize it then as rape . No, i dont think i did. I just thought its my fault. Like i was like obligated. Thats what you were supposed to do. I didnt know better. When did you stop blaming yourself . Um, it was a long time, really. Araoz said his staff continued to reach out to her for more than a year and she didnt respond. She didnt immediately tell anyone, including the police, something she said she now regr regrets. Did Jeffrey Epstein rape you . He raped me. He knew exactly what he was doing. I dont think cared. What hurts more so is if i was not afraid to come forward sooner, maybe he wouldnt have done it to other girls. To this day i feel guilty. She said she did share that story with her mother, exboyfriend, and two Close Friends back at that time. Jennifer araoz is not part, as far as we know, of the ongoing Southern District of new york case against Jeffrey Epstein that could involve many, many many girls. Jennifer araoz in new York State Court did file a petition in which she is seeking information from Jeffrey Epstein through deposition to find roars aecord the recruiter and other people who worked for Jeffrey Epstein at the time she said she was ra raped by Jeffrey Epstein. Columnist at the Washington Post and msnbc contributor. The president of the center for american progress. Ruth, let me begin with you and i open it to your reaction in any way you want. Thanks. I have watched this interview and read the transcript of this interview so many times today. Each time it becomes even more heart breaking and even more powerful. Im struck by a few things. The degree to which this was part of a plan. A well orchestrate and a plan that unfolded over not weeks, but months. That led up to what she now understands is rape. Im so interested that she took the step today to try to get the information about other perpetrators about the identity of the recruiter. Jeffrey epstein, if he did what she says he did and did what he has been accused of by the Southern District of new york, is a terrible, despicable actor and he didnt act alone. Other people need to be brought to justice. Im also struck equally by that sense of shame. That sense of self loathing and self blame see this h and her incredible vulnerability to the process that he was engaged in. He knew with girls that young, with girls that are needy, with girl who is have lost their fathers, this was the kind of victim he was looking for who was not going to be able to stand up to his demands and then to his forcefulness. She said he knew what he want and he got what he want and that is just to me one of the most heart breaking lines in all of this. One of the names of Jeffrey Epsteins recruiters has been published in many accounts over the years. I would expect her to be discovering that easily through the deposition process. Here you have the recruiter standing and hanging around outside the high school for performing arts in manhattan looking possibly for hopeful young teenage actresses in high school and hoping for a future and maybe needing financial help to get there. I think i wanted to reemphasize what ruth said. What is so angering about this is a recruiter went to a girl and found a girl whose father had recently died. Who was probably in one of the most vulnerable stages she will ever be in having just lost a parent and having a single mom. Plainly went after this girl because she wouldnt have the protections that other kids would have. It was effective because she didnt tell anybody about it. The idea that there was this plot to go after this vulnerable girl makes it impossible to believe this was the first or only time this happened. There is a lot to uncover here, but really looking at a predator who has a pattern of behavior and perfected his skills upon really victims. I think it would take a long time to discover all the victims that have been harmed by this monst monster. Stay with us. We are going to squeeze in a break and continue with more of her reaction to the other developments in the story today after this break. Developments in the story today after this break [alarm beeping] {tires screeching} {truck honking} avo life doesnt give you many second chances. 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It may be things have gotten a little bit easier today and we have all gotten hopefully more educated about why victims may not come forward, why we should or why a girl wouldnt tell her parents or things like that. The issue of this issue was front and center for people in the 2000s. Its not ancient history. Its just not maybe there was a hard case to bring, but thats just not an adequate explanation. The one thing i thought was missing from mr. Acostas Performance Today was just any little hint of contrition or regret on his part. It just seemed absent. He was asked repeatedly and offered the opportunity to apologize fully or say a single word of apology and he never did. Think of it this way. He basically did a sweetheart deal for a predator who now has an actual prosecution. Just to say if i prosecuted more aggressively, how many victims wouldnt have been victimized. I cant imagine a prosecutor who wouldnt feel regret over those sets of facts. No shame with this president or any of his people. I have to say the entire performance reminded me that this man, this prosecutor ignored a 53page indictment and had strange issues for coconspirators and one of the Close Friends of Jeffrey Epstein later gave this man a pretty good job. I think we dont know where this leads. We dont know where this goes. We do have a president who say sexual predator and in this case has a lot of ties to him as well. Ruth, this is a story that could only happen in the Trump Presidency because this issue came out during the vetting of alex acosta and he survived the trump vetting because in trump vetting, this isnt a problem. Lets recall how we got alex acosta. We got alex acosta because the previous candidate for labor secretary had to withdraw when there were allegations of spousal abuse. Alex acostas issues relating to this clearly inadequate prosecution deal looked mild in comparison to that. More broadly, this is not an administration that let us say is wellknown for its excellent vetting. Even when they find things, they tend to think they wont cause trouble. They have plowed their way through a lot of things. It kind of goes to the question of attrition. Attrition makes an apology has a good impact on a lot of people. A sincere apology has a good impact. But it has a bad impact on donald trump. He sees it as a sign of weakness. He famously doesnt apologize and that may be another piece of what was going on today. Thank you for joining us this difficult subject. Really appreciate it. When we come back, katie porter will join us to tell us how Jpmorgan Chase has finally, finally responded to her withering prosecution of jamie diamond in a congressional hearing. Jamie diamond in a congressional hearing. I want it that way. I cant believe it. That karl brought his karaoke machine . Aint nothing but a heartache. 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Would you recommend she be charged Overdraft Fees . I dont know, i have to think about it. Jamie diamond has never come up with an answer. But now his chief lobbyist wants to talk to congresswoman porter. The head lobbyist jason rosen berg wrote her a letter saying we have a large employee and philanthropic footprint in the 45th Congressional District and would like to provide an overview of the work we do throughout orange county, so what will katie porter do . Will she meet with the chief lobbyist and see if he figured out the math on how a single mother could stay afloat . We will ask katie port theyre and more when she joins us after this break. E joins us after this break we run right into these crises, and we do not leave until normalcy is restored. Wed been working for days on a site in a storm devastated area. A family pulled up. It was a mom and her kids. Everything they had had been washed away. 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When congresswoman katie porter pressed jamie diamond on how a single mother could survive on the entry level pay he pays, jamie diamond came up with the idea of calling up that single mother and see figure he might be able to find a way to advise her towards solvency. I would love to call her and have a conversation about her affairs. See if she could live on the minimum you provided. Joining us now is katie porter from california, a member of the finance services committee. Thank you very much for joining us again tonight. Did jamie diamond ever call you up and explain to you how how hs that hypothetical single mother could survive on the 16. 50 an hour . Absolutely not. Its been three months to the day since we had that exchange at the hearing, and i finally received a fivesentence letter from his lobbyist, not from mr. Dimon himself. And the letter basically says that theyd be willing to meet with me in my Congressional District to discuss their philanthropic work. And ill be honest with you, my constituents, they work hard and they want to be able to make ends meet themselves. They want to be paid a living wage so they can go into the Grocery Store and take care of their families. They dont want to hear about the Corporate Philanthropy and handouts that jpmorganchase is trying to get away with to distract from the real problem here which is theyre not sharing in the incredible revenue including the windfall from the trump tax plan that the bank is earning. I read the lobbyists letter to mean that he wants to basically sit you down and explain to you how important jpmorganchase is to your Congressional District, something that big business has been doing to members of congress for a couple of centuries now. Yeah, thats going to be a hard pass. I dont need to be condescended to. I want to work on these problems. Im really serious about the difficulties that families face in make ends meet. Its what i studied before i came to congress and its what i think about every day. So i dont need to be pandered to. I dont need to be told that they have employees. I know that. I talk to my constituents. I know i have folks that work at jpmorganchase. I have a chase branch right next to the Grocery Store i go to with my kids. I want to hear about from mr. Dimon, who wants to wear the mantle of leader of the business community, you want to wear that mantle then with that comes the responsibility to come up with Real Solutions to the problems families are face around wages, around the high cost of housing, and the high cost of child care. And the gap you identified when you worked out all the expenses was 567 a month. And no one has suggested to you any way of making up that gap from jpmorganchase, including the wild idea of how about paying more. Yes. They completely refuse to address that. And frankly, as i listened to this clip again, which ive watched several times, i found mr. Dimons answers that i dont know, id have to think about it, i dont know id have to think about it. He wasnt even responding thoughtfully to the questions. He just decided that he simply wasnt going to engage with me. And i was really making a good faith effort to have a conversation that i think the American People across the political spectrum want to be having with the leaders of our nations largest businesses, which is what is the responsibility of businesses to share with their employees the revenue that they make in good times . We know those businesses impose layoffs and stagnant wages in hard times. And whats the obligation to share with your employees when times are good like theyve been at jpmorganchase . Congressman porter, could you stay with us through a commercial break . I want to squeeze in one more commercial break because id love to ask you about something i saw in your hearing today that i have never seen before. Can you just hang with us over a minute here . 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Because you think the president doesnt have the authority . Is that why you would not leave . I have ive kind of said that i intended to say on the subject, and what ive said is that the law clearly gives me a fouryear term and i fully intend to serve it. Congresswoman katie porter was that in hearing. Ive never seen a moment like that. What was your reaction to that . Well, i was really encouraged to hear chairman powell stand up for the institution of the Federal Reserve. Its really important that it be independent from political pressure. Whether its from congress or from the president. And so it was frankly ive been in washington for about six months here. I havent seen a lot of people with spines. So it was really nice to see somebody stand up to the president and make clear that theyre committed to doing their job, not to just doing what the president orders them to do. Well, he does have a law that allows him to stand up that way, which most other trump appointees do not. But id agree, but a lot of those trump appointees, cabinet secretaries, for example, have statutes that theyre charged with enforcing. Thats part of taking on the mantle of the agency. And net we see many of them unwilling to take on those responsibilities. Thats frankly how i feel about secretary carson and why ive called on him to resign. I was heartened to hear mr. Powell say that he intends to continue his work. I dont adpree with him about everything, but i do admire the way he stood up for the fact that the Federal Reserves independence is a really important component of our economy. I want to get your reaction as both a law professor and a member of congress to the Appeals Court hearing yesterday on the Affordable Care act where the Trump Administration is trying to destroy it completely and have this declared unconstitutional. Yeah, this is a disaster for the american public. And if the court rules the aca unconstitutional, millions of americans will lose their health care. In my own district the most recent analyses show that about 6 , 44,000 people, would Lose Health Care almost immediately. The estimates could be higher than that. So i think this is a really unfortunate effort by the Trump Administration to try to do through the courts what they werent able to do legislatively even with the republicans in the majority. The reality is the vast majority of americans want to improve the Affordable Care act. They want to try to address Prescription Drug pricing. They dont want to see health care dismantled. They dont want to return to a time when people with preexisting conditions, newborn babies coming into this world couldnt even get health insurance. Congresswoman katie porter gets tonights last word. Thank you very much for joining us again, congresswoman. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. Tonight, 53 minutes in front of reporters, multiple opportunities, and yet no apology to Jeffrey Epsteins victims. Labor secretary Alexander Acosta defends the plea deal he kept 11 years ago as a u. S. Attorney that now threatens his job. The devastating and lurid charges against a longtime friend of the president who was also a sex offender now means the president has three acquaintances in jail. It also means more major drama for this president s circle including his cabinet. And how dire is the threat to our upcoming president ial election . And if its as serious as what congress was briefed on today, why isnt this man more concerned about it . All of it was the 11th hour gets under way on a wednesday night. Well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. Day 902 of the Trump Administration. And today the secretary of labor, alex acosta, was fighting to keep his job, and he did so on live television. He called a press conference at the u