Office. While the democrats are under constant pressure every day from members of their own party, the public, news media, about the process, republicans seem to be under no pressure at all. Republicans want to put the pressure on republicans to do the right thing about agout of control president. The founder of republicans for the rule of law will join us at the end of this hour tonight. He is someone who has persuade add republicans in congress before. Tonight, the pressure continues to increase on impeachment as more americans support etch impeachment. A new cnn poll shows that 41 of americans now believe that President Trump should be impeached. 54 do not believe that. President trump should be impeached. The 41 is up 4 Percentage Points from april when 37 supported impeaching the president. Yesterday House Majority whip James Clyburn of South Carolina who has always allied with nancy pelosi said this about impeachment. We do believe that if we sufficiently effectively, educate the public, then we will have done our jobs and we can move on an Impeachment Vote and it will stand. Today, the House Judiciary Committee announced it will hold a series of hearings on the Mueller Report, the first hearing scheduled for next monday is entitled lessons from the Mueller Report, president ial obstruction and other crimes. The star witness will be someone whose testimony to congress in 1974 helped force the resignation of richard nixon. John dean who was nixons white House Counsel will be the featured witness in that hearing next week. Congressman andy biggs had this reaction about john dean testifying. Democrats are now calling a biased witness who was convicted of criminal charges for his role in the watergate scandal and who has called President Trump a nit witt to help frame a narrative for the impeachment of president donald trump. The day after that hearing on tuesday, the House Majority leader will bring a resolution to a vote in the house. He announced today that resolution is forcing attorney general barr and former white House Counsel mcgahn to comply with congressional subpoenas that have been duly issued by the House Judiciary Committee, the resolution will authorize the Judiciary Committee to pursue civil action to seek enforcement of its subpoenas in federal court. It also authorizes house committees that have issued subpoenas as part of their oversight and investigation responsibilities to seek Civil Enforcement of those subpoenas when they are ignored. President trump is in london tonight the invitation of queen elizabeth. Before leaving for london, he called the newest members of the royal family american Meghan Markle nasty. In an interview. Is the president then denied that he called her nasty. Here is the audio of the president calling her nasty. She said she would move to canada if you get elected. It turned out she moved to britain. A lot of people are moving here. So what can i say . No, i didnt know that she was nasty. Nasty is now one of the president s favorite words for attacking people in london. That is one of the words he used to attack the mayor of london today while in flight to london, the president of the United States used the taxpayer funded Communication Technology on air force one to be unload a couplette of uncouth stweets about londons mayor sadiq kahn. Sadiq kahn who by all accounts has done a terrible job as mayor of london has been foolishly nasty to the visiting president of the United States, by far the most important ally of the United Kingdom. He is a stone cold loser who should focus on crime in london, not me. He reminds me very much of our dumb and i competent mayor of new york city deblasio who has also done an awful job, only half his height. I look forward to being a great friend of the United Kingdom and looking very much forward to my visit. Landing now . Protestors are expected to be out in force in london tomorrow. Solve them gather anning bob this version of trump that will be floating the city. The mayor of london published an oped pieces in opposition to the trump visit saying donald trump is one of the most egregious examples of a growing global threat through his words and actions, he has given comfort to far right political leaders. Its no coincidence steve bannon has been touring the world spreading hateful views and bolstering the far right wherever he goes. Michael wolff has been studying the work of steve bannon and donald trump for years now. His first book about them fire and fury rocketed to the top of the best seller list after President Trump pried to present the sale of that book. Michael wolffs volume 2 will be published. The new book is siege, trump under fire. We are joined by the author of siege Michael Wolff. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. So nice to be back. There is controversy already on this book and it involves the biggest news in the book. Which is it appears relatively early in your book, the statement about the special counsels office having developed a draft indictment or a set of memos about what indicting the president would look like, what the legal argument would be coming from the president against an indictment. Special counsels Office Issued a statement immediately when this was reported in the newspaper saying that those documents dont exist. I think what the special counsels spokesman said is those documents as described dont exist. Just to be clear, they were reacting to a reporter calling them doing an article in the guardian. This book. Exactly. So that was the response to that reporter saying the documents you are describing to us that you are saying are in my Michael Wolffs book dont accomplice. Let me describe what the documents are. The documents are the document is a 56page document. It supers that the president has been indicted. It assumes that he in turn has come back and made a motion to dismiss that indictment on grounds that you cant indict a sitting president. Then this be document is a response to that. And it has two parts. First, it outlines the terms of the indictment. Long detailed 20, 25page outline of what they are charging the president with. And then the second part is an argument about in fact, why a sitting president can be indicted and why a sitting president should be held accountable under the law. So its in a way i think that missing piece of the mueller puzzle. You know, the mueller, Robert Mueller came out last week and said you know, the report speaks for itself. The truth is, the report speaks very unclearly for itself. And this is clearly this was a debate that had to have happened internally. Why else when it happened they are there to investigate the president. Mueller pretty much came out and said that they believe that the president committed indictable offenses. This is that moment, however, when they probably punted. And they said, hmm. Can we indict the president . Cant we indict the president . Can we, cant we. No. The and the they in your account in the book and you quote sources close to the Mueller Investigation. Yeah. Is the way you phrase it. Were those people working on the Mueller Investigation on the team. I dont want to discuss my sources on this. Just to say they are Gold Standard sources. The way you put that was close to the Mueller Investigation. Exactly. They seem to be describing to you a debate that went on within the mueller staff with it reads like some in favor of bringing charges, mueller ultimately the decisionmaker and you describe him as a hamlet going through this for a long period of time going back and forth with himself. I think donald trump spooked Robert Mueller. And i think actually that was at one point in the book i described trump as saying about mueller he has no game. And trump brags a lot about how long hes been in how many times hes been in court. Hes basically been in litigation for 45 years. You have parenthetically you have him on the phone one night with the robert kraft, the patriots owner accused in florida on a prostitution charge soliciting prostitution charge. You have him on phone giving him legal advice saying to robert kraft im better at this than the lawyers. Exactly and him saying to robert kraft youre innocent even though they have tape of you being guilty. Youre innocent. So trump has a view of himself as someone experienced enough in fighting with lawyers. No, in much of or certainly a thread in my book sometimes a comic thread is him belittling his lawyers, dismissing his lawyers, correcting his lawyers. Lecturing them, throwing them out of the office. Lets get back to this what youve called a draft indictment in the book and one of the things thats odd about it, heres the Michael Flynn indictment. Im showing it to you and im going to put it up on the screen. In the book, you describe the indictment as being the countries of america against donald j. Trump defendant. That v we see on this indictment is the standard form. I mean i in a lifetime of looking at indictments ive never seen the word against appear in a state or federal indictment. What do you make of just that formatting part . Did it look like this, the document. Looks exactly liking that. And where the v is, there was the word against. Yes, exactly. And the document, by the way, on the signature page is Robert Mueller iii. So its actually a signed document. Its not a signed document but it has the signature page. Signature page with a line that would say and its blank and hasnt been signed. Exactly. This is the draft. Why its v and why its against, i dont know. I mean, i was literally quoting from what was. Whats your reaction to people who see that . Thats the biggest criticism ive seen of the authenticity of the documents that youre talking about is that the word against is there instead of the v. Leaving aside for a moment the special counsel saying documents dont exist. Yos make anything of it except for the fact that nobody has gotten anything out of two years, nobody has gotten anything out of the Mueller Investigation. So im not sure they know what they know what theyre looking at or what theyre looking for. You know, as i say, my source Gold Standard on this. The document itself addressing exactly the kind of issues that the special counsel must have addressed. And addressing them in the greatest detail im going to Say Something else which really struck me is that the argument here about why a president can be indict and why a president should be treated like everyone else under the law is a powerful argument. Yeah, and its quoted in your book extensively. And i think i know your writing and your experience well enough to know that that is a level and style of legal scholarship that is not something you could produce yourself. This obviously came from some other source. It did indeed. It seems for the guardian article was the first breaking of in this news. That reporter said that he was in possession of the document. That you were in possession of. I think he said that had he seen the document. Had seen the document. Yes. Will you make that document public . I dont know. And obviously, i have considered this. There are sourcing issues. There are issues about protecting the people who gave this to me. So its unresolved. If it is a genuine underlying document or work product of the mueller team, that had be something that the Judiciary Committee will get if it obtains the full as its trying to get through subpoena power, the full Mueller Report and the underlying documents. Absolutely. You know, mueller in his statement referred to the underlying work product. And i would assume that you would characterize this as underlying work product. Is this an indication of why its so important for the committees to get the underlying work . I think so. Let me tell you some of the other its not just this document that i have. I have significant other documents including a substantial file on the analysis of the, i guess you might say the fragility of the special counsel, of the law that established the special counsel. And they go through a series of questions. Can the president fire the special counsel . Would be one of those. You present that in the book as an ongoing, as we were watching an the president attacking the special counsels office, which hunt, calling them trump haters, a bunch you have hi ry supporters. They were worrying about those attacks every day and evaluating every day can the president kill this investigation . What would happen if he killed. What would happen to our work product if he killed. Thats running through this booking. In fact, the conclusion is not a positive one. Right. The conclusion is yes, the president cofire Robert Mueller. What happens to the work product they ask if they are fired. Well, the chances the possibility is it could be completely destroyed. They go through one of these one after another of these contingencies. Nothing with a positive result. And one of the things that i think happened here or one of the things that i feel might well have happened here is Robert Mueller looked at this and said, you know, this guy, donald trump could bring the house down. Could bring the temple down. By firing everybody basically at the justice department. Yes, coprovoke a monster constitutional crisis, everything. I think mueller felt and again, im speculating here. But it seems reasonable that you might assume that Robert Mueller felt his duty was to protect the institution, to keep donald trump from going from expressing his madness in a way that would damage the country in an even larger fashion. From destroying more than hes already destroyed. Quick point before we go to break on there is you make very clear in here in your account of this from your sources as you put it close to the Mueller Investigation, that mueller was hyper aware of the difference between as he put it, Robert Mueller and ken starr. Robert mueller is a special counsel. Ken starr was an independent counsel. An independent counsel provided whose independence was guaranteed in law, absolutely could not be fired by the president of the United States. Yes. And this was a totally different thing. In fact, a post clinton impeachment version of this deliberately weakened structurally after the clinton after the ken starr example. As i said, these documents you read them and you say, this investigation every day was on thin ice. Michael, can you stay with us . Theres more we want to talk about in the book when we come back. So much more in here. We want to come back on the Jared Kushner material and so much other material thats relevant to exactly whats happened today. Were going to be right back with Michael Wolff. Oday were going to be right back with Michael Wolff feel the clarity of nondrowsy claritin. And relief from symptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. Like those from buddy. [ dog whimper ] live claritin clear. For one week only, save up to 14 on select claritin product. Check this sundays newspaper for details. kickstart my heart by motley crue truck honks wheels screeching clapping sound of can hitting bag and bowl clapping always there in crunch time. But we all know were paying too much for it. Enter xfinity mobile. Americas best lte, with the most wifi hotspots combined for the first time. When youre near an xfinity hotspot youre connected to wifi, saving on data. When youre not, you pay for data one gig at a time. Use a little, pay a little. Use a lot, just switch to unlimited. Its a new kind of network. Call, visit or go to xfinitymobile. Com. Jonathan swan of axios finally got Jared Kushner to talk on camera and Jonathan Swan made the most of it, including asking about donald trump lying about president Barack Obamas birthplace. Was birtherism racist. Look, i wasnt really involved in that. I know you werent. Was it racist . Like i said, i wasnt involved in that. I know you werent. Uhhuh. Was it racist . Look, i know who the president is and i have not seen anything in him that is racist. So again, i was not involved in that. Did you wish he didnt do that. Like i said, i was not involved in that. That was a long time ago. Jonathan swan also asked Jared Kushner about the murder of Washington Post columnist ca show. Saudi arabia admitted saudi agents strangled khashoggi. Islam and christianity value burying the dead. Will you call on the saudi government to release his body to his family or identify where they put the body parts so his loved ones might give him if not a timely burial, at least a burial. Its a horrific thing that happened. Weve called for full transparency. Were working on an investigation to get to the bottom of what happened. Should they return the body. Once we have all the facts well make a policy determination. That will be up to the secretary of state and well do everything we can to try to bring transparency and accountability for what happened. Michael wolff is back with us. His new book goals on sale tomorrow. Siege, trump under fire. Jared kushner is a major character in this book, and im sure you are not at all i dont think. Any reader of your book would be surprised that Jared Kushner cannot even answer the question should the saudis return the body. You know, at some level, jarryd was and lets choose the word carefully, im going to retreat from this because im going to end up saying he was complicity in this. Im sure that that on an actual level is not true. But on a support level, on a friendship level, on a would mbs have murdered khashoggi if he didnt know that he had the absolute support of Jared Kushner and this white house, i dont know. But he certainly did have the absolute support. In fact, one theres a point in the book where africa show gi is murdered and the white house doesnt know how to respond and jared calls up mbs and says, i think youd better execute all those guys very quickly. The guys who actually were the executioners of khashoggi. Whats the sourcing on that . I mean you admit in your sourcing of the book that a lot of the people who were sources for your first book are no longer working in the white house like steve bannon and others who could be physically close. Ive got to say when i read a lot of the kushner passages it almost seems like Jared Kushner would be the source since hes one of the two people in the room. The material is so negative to Jared Kushner. Im not going to discuss the sources on this. The sources are except to say that the sources would have heard this from one of the participants. People in the room. The president , i mean youre reluctant to put names to Jared Kushner and what he does. But the president i read in here has nicknames for everyone just as a lot of people in this book we now learn about with john kelly calls donald trump. In your first book we learned about all sorts of names that everyone was calling. Everybody is calling everybody else a name. And i assume that that sort of begins with trump. Its the ultimate defense. You have to be calling someone names because hes calling everyone names. Theyre all calling donald trump crazy, theyre all calling him out of control, stupid, all those kinds of things. Lets go even i think its an important point. Anybody who has had contact with donald trump comes away thinking that theres something wrong with him. Thats putting it in a ma nice way. Theres a point in the book where donald trump in one of his many points of restoration with Jared Kushner at the end of his complaint about Jared Kushner says what a girl. He refers to him as a girl. And for donald trump, that is about the most negative thing he can say about anyone. Exactly. How does that is relationship work where the president doesnt respect him in your account . Well, i mean, its a very important relationship. Its really key because remember, hes the only person horn has managed to go the distance so far in this white house. Everybody else who began. And his wife the president s daughter. And thats why. I mean, whats the reason jarryd gets to go the distance . Because is he married to ivanka, the only person, i think this is she is singular in this regard who the president doesnt disapparently. And you make the point that the president wants loyalty, he wants devotion and then when he gets it, he doesnt trust you. He thinks less of you when you deliver the kind of devotion and service that he wants. This is this is to say the very least, a difficult man to work with. To go a little further than this, this is a crazy person. And thats a continuation of what was in your first volume of this. Of this study of trumpism. And you presented at the beginning more than anything else a continuing psychological profile of donald trump of who this man is and how his mind works. Which in your view i take to be the most important thing about what you can find in your studies of this is how does the president s mind work. I think that thats crucial. I think ultimately, 100 years from now, 50 years from now, ten years from now, were not going to be talking about the president s policies. Were going to be talking about who this man is, how did this possibly happen. How could a person like this find himself in the position that hes found himself in. And what is this you know, what does this mean . How do you tell the story about this . I mean, one of the interesting things is i think the dominant narrative now is that donald trump is the strong man. Donald trump is the guys who going to s who going to burn through everybody else. Donald trump is the guy who who is going to get what he wants. Whereas i think actually the narrative is donald trump is melting down. Every day, it gets stranger and stranger. Every day hes more alone. Every day someone else deserts him. Every day he does something that is more peculiar, less logical, and has to be undone by someone else. The, what, do your sources tell you about what donald trump thinks of Robert Mueller . And did that change over time . He thought from the beginning he could take Robert Mueller. He says i know this guy. I know this kind of guy. You know, hes too separate as i said, he said hes got no game. And i think he sensed that. He sense this had as a weakness in the special prosecutor. He sensed that he could be you know, by saying a witch hunt, witch hunt, witch hunt, he could be the person that Robert Mueller was essentially would say you know, this is a crazy man and how to predict what a crazy man will do. And thats a scary thing. At one point, steve bannon says about mueller, this is after the report is filed, bannon says the Mueller Report becomes public. Yes. Steve bannon sees the results and he says never send a marine to do a hit mans job. I think he sees this as steve understood you know, Robert Mueller is there as to as an institutional guy to protect an institution. And donald trump is perfectly willing to destroy an institution. In an institution that relies on norms in a town that relies on floorms in addition to laws, the point it seems at the end of that, your account of this is that someone who plays by the rules which is Robert Muellers live, plays it by the rules, cannot match what donald trump will do to the rules. It it turns out, i mean, you know, i think we went into thinking about in that you know, bob mueller was a Straight Arrow and he would take on the crooked guy. You know, but at best, i think its a draw. Michael wolff, thank you very much for volume 2. Really appreciate it. Thanks for joining us tonight. When we come back, democratic president ial candidate Pete Buttigieg says he would vote for impeachment tonight in an msnbc town hall. T in an msnbc town hall. Look limu. A civilian buying a new car. Lets go. Limus right. Liberty mutual can save you money by customizing your Car Insurance, so you only pay for what you need. Oh. 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And im also starting to lose confidence that our House Democratic leadership. And i want to know if you support speaker pelosis slow cautious approach towards the impeachment inquiry or not and why. Thank you. First of all, i believe that the president deserves to be impeached. I would also say even though i have revealed myself to be ambitious and that im a young man running for president , that i also would think twice before offering strategic advice to nancy pelosi. So i do recognize that highway were still trying to get information, the investigations are ongoing. There are witnesses yet to come before congress. That there may be some strategic wisdom in following that sequence. Ill leave that to congress. Ive got a followup. Its to sort of nail you down. If you were voting in congress right now on impeachment, would you vote to impeach . Yeah, i would. And a woman at the town hall asked this. You have a tremendous rux, one that speaks to your character and your capabilities. But you are running in a field of truly exceptional candidates, particularly in the case confident women who are running like senators Kamala Harris and elizabeth warren. So my question to you is, why should the women of america vote for you over our sisters who are kind of more qualified . . Wow. Well, look, i admire so many of the people running. Theyre extraordinary. By the way, we ought to have a woman in the oval office right now. Im still disappointed that didnt happen. I do think though that my qualifications are a little bit different. And then after a minute of repeating his qualifications for the job, mayor pete said this. Now, the other thing that i want the women of america to know because ive met a lot of women who say i like you, i like your message. I think youve got an appealing candidacy but i will not vote for a man this time. I get it. Whether you decide to be for me or not, i promise that i will be for you. 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I think a bunch of the male candidates have gotten this question and it is the right answer, which is that i think it really addresses a deep concern. A lot of women are have fueled the resistance. They fueled a lot of women winning in congress. And i think from 2016, theres a fair amount of frustration that women arent doing better in this race, that this is actually time for a woman. We have fantastic women candidates. At the same time, if you look at the polls, a majority of the Democratic Party right now is supporting men. A lot of older men. A lot of white men. But i think its really important for people to acknowledge that the interest and desire for a woman president is deep and profound and feels unfulfilled from 2016. Lets take a look at what gets you booed at the California Democratic convention this weekend. Its not so hard actually to get booed at the democratic convention. Were going to show it right now. If we want to beat donald trump and achieve big progressive goals, socialism is not the answer. [ boos ] medicare for all may sound good. But its actually not good policy nor is it good politics. Im telling you . [ boos ] im telling. You Jason Johnson, so hickenlooper and delaney get booed pore that. They had to know going into the room how the crowd feels. Yeah so in retail politics and restaurants, the customers always right, right . These guys clearly dont understand reta politics. You dont go into california and say hey, medicare for all is terrible. Why dont you just go against the gas tax, too. Look, i think these guys went there hoping to create viral clips that they could use to sell themselves in iowa and South Carolina. They clearly werent really thinking about the audiences they were speaking to. The problem with that strategically is the only person who can get away with doing that is biden a lot of these candidates its not about lying. You need to tailor your message to the community that youre speaking to. I think where some of think, i think buttigieg and harris has gotten better at there. This one size mess and fits all doesnt work. All of the highest polling candidates were there in california this weekend, except biden, the front runner the polls. It sounds like Bernie Sanders was talking about joe biden at one point. Lets listen to this. There is a debate among president ial candidates who have spoken to you here in this room, and those who have chosen for whatever reason not to be in this room. We cannot go back to the old ways. We have got to go forward with a new and progressive agenda. Nearra, your reaction to that. You know, i think one of the issues that is really a challenge for a lot of people with biden in the position he is hes in, is that i think that people in the Democratic Party are really anxious about an extremely divisive primary and you know, theres at least for a lot of voters a real interest in unifying. You see it in polls where 85 of democrats want a president ial candidate that can unify the party and unify the country. And i think thats a real challenge for people directly taking on joe biden because in such a large race, where theres so many people, if you criticize joe biden as part of the past, then you can weaken biden although it doesnt seem to be working over the last couple weeks. But the support that comes from him doesnt necessarily go to you. It could go to any other candidate who is seen as less divisive. I think thats a real challenge till we ahead into the actual debate coming soon. Jason johnson, ive got to say what Bernie Sanders said there is as delicate a kind of reference to joe biden and indirect as you could come up with. If thats the way the campaigning is going to go if thats as rough as its going to get within the party, its going to be pretty polite. Look, lawrence, if thats as rough as theyre going to get, joe biden can already start measuring his shoe size for the Convention Next year because he will be the nominee. It is june, way too early to be nice to anybody. They were able to come back together after Hillary Clinton and barack obama in 2008. Democrats need to stop worrying how theyll look in 2020 and need to start paying attention who they want to look at now. One of the Biggest Challenges i see with joe biden, not just ideas may seem old and not progressive, the idea he doesnt want to fall into the Hillary Clinton trap of acting like the candidate. If he does, thats when people come for you. 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This administration in my view has an absolute disregard for the law. The Mueller Report makes a very strong case on obstruction of justice. Were the president anybody other than the president , he would have been subject to indictment. Joining us now is founder of republicans for the rule of law bill crystal. Bill, thank you very much for joining us tonight. So they have highlighted copies of the Mueller Report now, so what happens next do you think . We want to make it easy for them and deprive them of the excuse its too hard for them to read it. I dont know what happens next. What happens next is i hope more republicans on the hill get serious about their constitutional obligations. Were trying to put a flag in the ground for republicans around the country, young republicans or young people inclined towards the Republican Party who look at the republicans on the hill and are appalled, look at trump and they are appalled but dont want to simply become democrats, its fine if other people want to be liberal democrats but to show there is an alternate view of what the Republican Party should be doing in this moment of challenge and even crisis. Bill, youre a veteran of the First Bush Administration and you were not even in office when i remember being at work in the senate and a memo from bill crystal would arrive in the Republican Senate and it would pull every single republican member of the senate in the direction you wanted them to go. Those days have influence are long gone in the world of trump. But it makes me wonder, is there is bill crystal today . Is there someone who you think in republican life, probably a former office holder, someone like that who if you could pull into your effort, would somehow turn heads in the senate or in the house . You know, im not sure. It might take more than one person. Bill is doing the right thing challenging donald trump and the republican primary. Justin amash, on many different issues did the right thing. I think the response to him is striking. The one thing i was struck by you know what people are impressed by, sobriety and soundness of exexplanation. He really laid out the case in a brief way but in a serious way and did a town hall. He didnt go on many tv shows at all. He turned down a zillion offers and said the town hall with constat winds and a district that trump carried, answered questions including some from Trump Supporters really show what it means to be a serious representative who takes his obligation seriously and respects constituents and wont cave to them or the noisiest group of them. Thats important. One other thing, i hope what we have done might have influence on the house and dell cats. People can make up their own minds whether ultimately the case is there for impeachment and maybe nothing should be done. I think it really is important that the house go through a serious set of hearings where they really look at the Mueller Report, basically i assume the Mueller Report is correct and have serious people there constitutional law professors and others say okay, what is the right response . Im not sure what the right response is . It might fall short of impeachment. To have a bunch of disconnected hearings and subpoenas that and not take it seriously as a body, i think thats a real problem with that from the point of view of the rule of law and constitutional government. And bill crystal gets tonights last word. Thanks for joining us bill, appreciate it. My please suure. The 11th hour starts now. President trump land in london and ended the day with the pageantry Buckingham Palace could muster. Having opined the u. K. Should crash out of the e. U. , tomorrow he gets to meet with the Prime Minister thats been done in by brex brexit. Grinding with a lot of attention