Pro gay rights and supportive of your gay brothers and sisters thats seen as a positive thing. Among gay people we live before we come out a time of being closs is heed and being closeted is an active thing. Its not an absence of Something Else that straight people cant notice. And i dont exactly know. Im sure theres ways in which im being politically incorrect by bringing this up but for somebody who put his marriage at the center of his campaign and talks so much what that means in terms of his hope for the country and evolving values its interesting to try to define what is otherwise seen as negative space. For me coming out was an inability to live as a closeted person. Everybodys path to getting there is different. I wanted to talk to him about how he got there. I dont know if that was the wrong thing to ask but it was my burning question about that element of his campaign. Its so interesting because we do you and i do this very differently. All i care about is policy, president ial policy, when youre in the oval office, what will you sign, what you veto. You find out much more about the person than i do. Im relying on you to do that. Its kind of why im working in another space. Its one of the reasons i work in another space with them. I think the fact that you were trying to get inside what that experience is, what that formative experience is lives in a long traditional of candidate interviews in which in a variety of ways people are trying to get inside the experience of that person and what it was like growing up in a certain way or what it was like in military service in combat. And that issue, that what is inside this person is something that president ial campaign interviewers have been pursuing for daks. Well, yeah. I wouldnt put your money on me as like the human teer here, the person great with the personal questions. Its not usually my thing. I do feel like if youre going to go the distance in a president ial campaign and get anywhere near the nomination, are you going to be and you ought to be subject to multiple full body mris. That is includes your soul and your evolution and that includes the places in which youve faced dark times and made hard decisions and come out the other side with a story to tell. So some of that is policy and some of that is values and some is how youve chosen to live. I think with all of these guys particularly theres going to be 500,000 of them running in the democratic campaign, well have to figure out how to ask all of them everything all the time. Final question for you. Was it difficult for you to decide whether to ask that question . Yes. In part because i felt like i have to i had to preface it with heres the thing about me which im allergic to. That made it hard to ask. But i also learned a bunch about him so i think it was worth it. We really appreciate it. Thank you, rachel. We have much to cover now in this hour. The Mueller Report we now know the redacted version of the Mueller Report will be released on thursday. Thats the breaking news from the Justice Department this morning. We have known that since this morning. We also have Campaign News to cover tonight. Rachels extraordinary interview. Bernie sanders appearing on fox news. Bernie sanders releasing his tax returns today. Kamala harris releasing 15 years of returns this week. Much to cover in the president ial campaign and then of course, there is the tragedy in paris today. At the end of this hour, im going to take some personal time at the end of this hour to talk about what is at stake in the rebuilding of the Notre Dame Cathedral. The president of france vowed to rebuild today. We consider what was lost today and we will do that through the eyes of Kenneth Clark. He was the most esteemed art historian of the 20th century. He produced and narrated a series on the bbc and a book that came out at the same time in 1969 entitled civilization, nothing less than the history of civilization. And the place where Kenneth Clark stood to speak the first words of the story of human civilization was in front of Notre Dame Cathedral. We will hear those words from Kenneth Clark at the end of this hour. And consider what we lost today and what we have to achieve in the rebuilding. Notre dame cathedral was open to tourist visitors today from 10 00 a. M. Until 6 30 p. M. That was the official schedule. About 15 minutes after the closing time as the final tourists were being ushered out of the cathedral, and as the worker who have been refurbishing the cathedral were mostly out of the building, the first plumes of smoke were seen rising from the roof of the cathedral, the catastrophe that followed happened fast. Suddenly during lunch hour here on east coast, we were all seeing images of the flames pushing through the roof of the 800yearold cathedral. At 7 07 p. M. Paris time, reuters reported the first sight of flames and for the next agonizing hour it seemed nothing could slow down those flames. Hundreds of firefighters converged on the scene. When the flames reached the spire on the top of the kath drashlg the blaze quickly raced to the top of that will spire and then we watched disoriented not knowing why the fire capitol be contained, not knowing what would happen next. Im not sure what that means for the monumental towers but i can see the back of them. My goodness. There it is falling. Michael, so you know, we are looking. Oh, my gosh. At video right now. The images. Wow. Wow. That is just like a dagger to the heart of paris to see that happen. Its just thats remarkable. And the world went speechless. An hour after the fire started, the spire fell. And minutes after that, at 8 00 p. M. , paris type, the entire roof collapsed. After that total collapse of what was left we were not sure what would be left of the cathedral, anything seemed possible. Liz, im going to interrupt you with a sobering bit of news. The French Interior ministry an official from the French Interior ministry now says firefighters may not be able to save the cathedral. What . This is from a ministry official, firefighters may not be able to save the Notre Dame Cathedral. Its hard to even process that even as were watching it, its hard to process. Wow. French president Emmanuel Macron arrived at the scene and tweeted this statement, notre dame ises a flame. Great emotion for the whole nation. Our thoughts go to all catholics and to the french people like all of my fellow citizens i am sad to see there part of us burn tonight. The fire continued to spread while some First Responders tried to salvage priceless works of art from inside. Parisians came together and prayed. Ave maria finally at 10 55 00 p. M. , paris time, the police chief announced that the cathedrals main structure including the two bell towers that frame the entryway have been saved. French Officials Say that no one was killed in the fire. But say one firefighter was seriously injured. These photographs show the altar of the cathedral has president macron surveyed the damage. President macron then vowed to rebuild. Notre dame of paris is our history, our literature, our imagination. Translator the place where our big historical moments, plagues, wars, liberation. It is at the very heart of our lives. With pride i tell you tonight that we will rebuild this cathedral all together. Joining us now is nbc news Foreign Correspondent matt bradley from paris. Matt, the latest from paris. Reporter well, lawrence, no one died in this incident but this is still a city in mourning as you mentioned, weve been standing here for a couple hours. There were just ordinary parisians lining the sidewalks and the river of sienne and singing hymns. Every time one of the fire engines goes by, the crowd erupts in applause. And for people here, theyre the oneses who stood between the massive destruction that has already been inflicted on this cathedral and total destruction on precipice of that. The interior minister warning earlier this eving they might not be able to save this cathedral. As you can see behind me, the cathedral is still structurally relatively sound. And so theyre able to rebuild. Thats a real feeling of hope thats pervading everything here in paris because this is central not just to catholics, its central to all of french culture. Its interesting when the road signs outside of paris when they measured the distance to paris, this is ground zero. This plaza in front of the Notre Dame Cathedral is the point at which they measure all distances to paris. Its central to everybody here whether youre religious or not. Lawrence . Matt bradley, thank you very much for joining us live from paris. We appreciate it. Were joined now by father james martin, editoratlarge of american magazine. And doug stern a cincinnati firefighter for 23 years. Meredith cohen is a ucla professor of medieval art and architecture. Father martin, you spent a great deal of time across the street in st. Patricks cathedral. We heard the phrase ground zero used for where the cathedral is in french maps. But we also heard that phrase here in new york city. We see that spire falling and there feels like an emotional echo when we see something falling in flames like that after what we saw here on 9 11. I felt the same way when i saw the spire collapse, i was immediately transported back to 9 11. I was here in new york city watching some of the buildings come down and just how devastating that was. I would imagine this is kind of like 9 11 for france certainly for the church in france. Its a sort of multiveil lent symbol, a symbol of catholic france, a symbol of france itself. In many ways its a symbol of european catholicism, too. I cant think of another church outside of st. Peters that is that iconicing. Great work done by the First Responders making sure there were no fatalities which is the incalculatable difference between this and 9 11. Doug stern, youre with the International Association of firefighters. It is in fact an International Association. You fought fires for 23 years in cincinnati. We were all wondering, we dont have your expertise and wondering as we watched this why isnt the fire being put out . If we can see the fire, why cant we get the needed water on it, why cant we get what it needs to stop . What was it that made this so difficult to contain and finally stop . There already several reasons, lawrence. One is just the volume of fire first of all. By the time the firefighters got there, in a building that size of that age, the fire had a pretty good head satart. The seconds reason was they prioritized what they could do. I think a lot of the reason this is Still Standing this evening is is because the firefighters took the appropriate measures and got ahead of the fire and stopped it before it could get farther. Had they not taken that approach, they could have lost those those bell towers as it progressed through the building. Lets listen to something that former new york fire commissioner thomas van esen told Brian Williams this afternoon during our live coverage. These places are like lumber yards in the eavesa and the outside roof is misleading because its stone or copper. The inside celinging you think its plaster. But in between is a tremendous amount of lumber if it gets going, you know, youre going to having a real tough time putting it out. Thats what they ran noon today. Didnt get it out fast enough. Professor cohen, he was actually talking about his own experience crawling around the eaves of statement patricks cathedral in manhattan and supposing it was something similar inside notre dame. Yeah, notre dame has a timber trusted roof, part of which dates back to the 13th century when it was first finished much of which also was 19th century. Nevertheless, its a huge loss to lose that. And professor, what do you make of the promise to rebuild and what can be rebuilt . Well, i think the first thing that will need to be done is theyll need to survey the state of the stonewalls because they will have been damaged by the heat of the fire. So theyll have to you know assess the damage, the walls, the possible stained glass and then question you know, what to rebuild and how. And then the question is about the spire. Whats lost is lost. You cant rebid the past. So you can make effective you know, reproduction of the past or you can make something new. But you cant reproduce thats been lost. Father martin, when you saw those ins of the altar of the cathedral, what was your feeling when you saw that . After the fire had been put out or sort of tamped down that theres a great cymbal symbol of hope there. Easter season is coming. The message of easter is that suffering is never the last word and that theres always hope. I was very hopeful. I think the fact they were able to save so much of it is a blessing. And professor cohen, we can think of is as a church, a cathedral and also as a museum if you look at it from a museum perspective, what has been lost . Well, the spire is an important emblem of 19th Century Restoration of gothic revivalism in a way and of the preservation of the mid evil past of paris and france. Thats certainly been lost. We are really fortunate that the main structure hasnt been lost. Some of the oldest things but nevertheless the roof, 13th century timber truss and the spire are gone and cannot be replaces. Im not sure about the glass. It looks like some of the vaults have been destroyed. Thats 13th century, 12th and 13th century knowhow weve lost permanently. Doug stern, what has to be established within that structure before any real rebuilding working even begin to take place . I think the first thing they have to do is look at the exterior walls and make sure its safe to enter the building so theres no further chance of a collapse rather. The one thing i will say is going into that structure when it was on fire to save the heirlooms and artifacts they were able to save speaks volumes about what those firefighters were able to do. If you look at some of the damage, theres no doubt while they were in there trying to save everything they could, there was debris falling from the top of the roof all the way down to the floor they were at. The fact that there was only one firefighter injured speaks volumes to the dedication and the fact that they did what they had to do in a safe manner. But they saved quite a bit as they were doing it. Really heroic work. Doug stern, father james martin and meredith cohen, thank you for starting us off tonight. We appreciate it. When we come back, we now know the william barr edited redacted version of the Mueller Report will be publicly released on thursday. Today, congress has been continuing its investigative meths of President Trump in the form of subpoenas to a bank and an Accounting Firm that have done business with the president. Thats coming up next. And in president ial Campaign News, we just saw rachels extraordinary interview with president ial candidate pete buttigieg. Well talk more about that later in this hour. At the end of the hour, a special last word about what was lost today and what is at stake in the rebuilding of Notre Dame Cathedral. T stake in the rebuilding of Notre Dame Cathedral. door bell rings its open hey. This is amazing. With moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay . 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A Justice Department spokesperson confirmed a redacted version of Robert Muellers report will be released on thursday and in a surprising revelation today we learned that will back on march 27th, the bipartisan leaders of the House Intelligence Committee democratic chairman adam schiff and republican devin nunes sent a letter to the Justice Department saying that Robert Mueller must brief the Intelligence Committee on his investigation. The letter says special counsel mueller and senior members of his office as well as other relevant senior officials from the Department Bureau and Intelligence Community must also brief the full committee on the investigations scope and areas of inquiry. Its findings and the intelligence and Counter Intelligence information gathered in the course of and related to the investigation. Joining our discussion now law professor ryan goodman served as a counsel in the obama administration. He has been studying William Barrs earlier years of service in the Justice Department that include controversies involving William Barrs inaccurate summaries of Justice Department material. That congress was then pursuing. Ryan goodman is coeditor in chief of the foreign just security. Org. With us, ron klain a senior aide to Vice President joe biden and president obama. He was a former chief counsel to the Senate Judiciary committee and chief of staff to attorney general janet reno. He knows the workings of the attorney generals office. Ryan, i want to start with you. You have been reporting extensively on William Barrs previous history in the Justice Department, republican administration. That involved a very similar situation in which he was issuing a summary version of what later turned out to be something very different from the summary. What does that tell us then about what we might expect in the difference between what has been the william barr summary of the Mueller Report and the next