Week roger stone is behind bars and therefore might not be able to watch Michael Cohens testimony this time next week. Yeah, i dont know about, like, cspan in the federal lockup. I dont know. It depends on luck of the draw of where you are and, you know, some of them have tv. Some of them dont. Well see what happens. Wow. Well, you know this week, i mean, these hours, rachel, yours and mine on this night next week will be the postMichael Cohen testimony hours. The first public testimony Michael Cohen will give to the house of representatives about everything he was up to with donald trump. When you saw that list of topics from Elijah Cummings today when he laid out the scope of the hearing, tell me honestly, did it not cross your mind that you and i should rent out a Movie Theater . Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All those things 10 00 a. M. On wednesday. Our shows arent on until 11 or 12 hours later, right . We could, like, get a theater. I dont know. Rachel, at a location convenient to you. Okay. You say the word. Maybe a drivein. Thanks, lawrence. Thank you, rachel. As i said, next week is the week. Next week is going to be a very bad week for donald trump. The question tonight is how bad . Democrats in the house of representatives announced today that Michael Cohen will testify publicly exactly one week from now to the House Oversight committee, and he will testify the next day in a closed session of the house intelligence committee. The chairman of the House Oversight committee Elijah Cummings released a list, the list rachel was just talking about, of the subjects that Michael Cohen will testify about. The chairmans statement says that this list was the result of consultations with the department of justice, which probably means consultations with the office of the special prosecutor Robert Mueller in the department of justice. And that might be another indicator, another clue that Robert Mueller is very close to completing his investigation and might even be submitting his final investigative report to the attorney general next week, maybe even before Michael Cohens testimony. The Washington Post is reporting tonight that Justice Department officials are preparing for the end of the special counsel robert s. Mueller iiis nearly twoyear investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election and believe a confidential report could be issued in coming days, according to people familiar with the discussions. The special counsels office agreed to delay the beginning of Michael Cohens prison sentence so that he could testify to Congress Next week. Some of the issues that Michael Cohen is scheduled to testify about were part of the special prosecutors investigation, that list provided by chairman cummings is the president s debts and payments relating to efforts to influence the 2016 election. The president s compliance with Financial Disclosure requirements. The president s compliance with Campaign Finance laws. The president s compliance with tax laws. The president s potential and actual conflicts of interests. The president s business practices. The Trump International hotel in washington, d. C. The accuracy of the president s public statements. Potentially fraudulent or inappropriate practices by the trump foundation. And public efforts by the president and his attorney to intimidate mr. Cohen or others not to testify. Michael cohen has agreed to testify voluntarily and will not be under a subpoena, so this time next week when Michael Cohen is testifying to congress, as i said, roger stone might be behind bars. If his hearing does not go well for him tomorrow when he is trying to explain to federal judge amy burmanjackson that she should not change the conditions of his release while awaiting trial after he created an Instagram Post showing a picture of the judge with a firearm a firearm crosshairs in the photograph. The Instagram Post attacks the judge for being appointed by president obama and says she is part of a conspiracy to conduct an unfair trial of roger stone. And he uses those lies about the judge to try to raise money in that Instagram Post. And so at this very hour, a week from now roger stone might or might not be in jail, but we will definitely be covering the no doubt condemning testimony that Michael Cohen will deliver about donald trump, including an expansion of what Michael Cohen said under oath in federal court in manhattan, that donald trump ordered him to commit federal election crimes in providing hush money to two women during the president ial campaign and that donald trump himself knowingly directed those crimes to be committed and joined in the commission of those crimes against the United States of america. Thats what we are now guaranteed to be covering one week from tonight, but we might also be covering the end of the Mueller Investigation. Leading off our discussion about all of that now, harry litman. Harry is a legal scholar who has been following every turn of the Mueller Investigation and the investigation of Michael Cohen. Harry litman is a former federal prosecutor and a former Deputy Assistant attorney general in the Clinton Administration. And also joining us with the capitol hill perspective, lisa graves, who is a former Deputy Assistant attorney general in the Clinton Administration and a former counsel to the Senate Judiciary committee. And sam stein is with us. Hes the politics editor of the daily beast. He is also an msnbc political analyst. He will cover the politics of what is looming for next week. And harry litman, let me go to you first on what were hearing about the Mueller Investigation. Sync that with the now announced scheduling just tonight, the announced scheduling of Michael Cohen testifying publicly this time next week. Does Michael Cohens basically being released by the special prosecutor to go testify and tell all publicly indicate, is that another indicator we may be close to the end of the Mueller Investigation . You know, i think its another indicator and surely it was coordinated with the special counsel. And there are some good teasers out there, including the fact that some of muellers lawyers are calling their old bosses saying, im ready to come back. But its a puzzle to me, lawrence, because there are so many big pieces that mueller has not completed, starting with roger stone and going from there. So the reports, more and more Little Details come out and yet i remain uncertain that next week really will see the delivery of the report. Time and not very much time will tell, but its not simply there are more things to finish up, its that some of those things seem so core to muellers mission that its a bit of a mystery that hed be ready to pass on the reins. Harry, i completely embrace and share your uncertainty tonight. I have i have no feeling at all myself about and no willingness to predict what will happen next week, other than what is already scheduled, which is the Michael Cohen hearing. And lisa graves, with your experience on the Senate Judiciary committee and your understanding of how these congressional committees handle testimony like this, what do you two things. What are you expecting from that testimony next week . And do you see in it an indicator that we could be near the end of the Robert Mueller investigation . Well, i share your uncertainty and harrys uncertainty. I think there are a lot of tea leaves out there, but it seems that there are a lot of things that remain outstanding for the special counsel. I do think next week were going to see reprieves of the republican grande standing and public hysteria that they expressed at the hearing earlier this year in which they make all these accusations to try to disrupt those hearings. I think were going to see possibly some very compelling testimony because of the plea agreement that Michael Cohen has entered into. And its important that we see that testimony as the American People because we dont know whats going to happen at the Justice Department with william barr as the attorney general, in terms of his approach to this, or with the new nominee to be Deputy Attorney general, who has no criminal background experience, jeffrey rosen. So its important for the public to have the chance to hear this testimony because we dont know what the Justice Department is going to do when it does have a chance to take a look at that report by Robert Mueller. Sam stein, youre free to offer your guess in the midst of all of this collective uncertainty about what Robert Muellers going to do next week, but you are also here as an experienced eye on the politics, the politics that will explode in washington next week when Michael Cohen begins publicly testifying under oath, answering questions about the person who will not be referred to as individual one, as President Trump was in federal court here in manhattan, but will be referred to by name. With Michael Cohen describing the president directing him to commit crimes during the president ial campaign. Right. Well, im not going to offer a guess about whats happening with the mueller report. Im not stupid enough to do that. Weve had weve had various times where everyone was dead certain that it was happening or coming to a conclusion within a matter of weeks or months, only to end up in this current state. That said, all the signs seem to be pointing in that direction. Obviously Rod Rosenstein had let it be known he was not going to leave before the probes conclusion and he is now apparently nearing the exit doors. So it does seem like were getting towards that sort of uncertain conclusion. Yeah, i think the politics will be explosive. Obviously a lot of it depends on what happens with what mueller produces and whether there even is a report and whether that report is made public, but also there is a very good possibility that the conclusion comes with some more indictments, which, of course, would be explosive in its own right. Then on top of that, as you noted, we have this cohen testimony which has been delayed on a couple of different occasions. You know, its difficult to ascertain what the political fallout will be, but i think its fairly easy to conclude it wont be a great day for donald trump. Yes, there will be some republicans running interference for him on the committee, the people on that committee who are still republicans tend to be allies of the president. Theyve kind of hinted they want to run that type of interference, but by and large what were going to see is a person who has served by the president s side for many years as his attorney, who has been involved in not just the most important Business Decisions of his tenure, but also the early political ones, too. Who is going to peel back the curtains for us on what seems to be from all reports a very unseemly operation, both in terms of its business and its politics. So i cant imagine that donald trump will enjoy next week. If anything, its going to be very painful. And harry, i suspect among the things that are going to occur when Michael Cohen testifies is he will cover ground that we already know about because it was covered in federal court in manhattan. It was covered in that dispassionate language both in the written pleadings in the case and then in what Michael Cohen recited in the courtroom. But there were no questions. He wasnt being probed about the statements that he was making. There was the use of that those phrases like individual one. This is going to be that live exchange. This is going to be Michael Cohen the human being. This is going to be Michael Cohen choosing his own words. Choosing his own words about someone he now says has been threatening him. And talking about how they committed some crimes together during the president ial campaign in order to influence the vote in the president ial campaign so that donald trump could win. Americas going to hear someone testifying under oath about exactly that and that can change everything. Completely. Its likely going to be riveting. Think back to watergate. There was all kinds of reports back there, but when you actually had all of the president s men in the in the dock, in the senate to saying back and forth in candid terms its a game changer, exactly as you say. Oh, by the way, cohens not hes appearing voluntarily, not under subpoena, and that will make the interview or the testimony more freeranging. It wont be constrained by worries about its effect on muellers testimony. So youll have some really vivid questioning by the democrats. Then it will be a republicans turn to basically lambast him. Then youll go back to the democrats with more vivid uncovering of things weve heard about in the abstract but nothing like having the details really revealed. Its going to be a dramatic day. Lisa, i think we know what to expect, as harry just said, from the democratic side. They are just going to want to help Michael Cohen get his story out with as much detail as possible. On the republican side, with your experience in the Senate Judiciary committee, what are you expecting tactically on the republican side of the Michael Cohen hearing . Well, im afraid were going to see a reprise of the sort of Lindsey Graham attack mode we saw during the kavanaugh hearing. I suspect well see a lot of, you know, near shouting, interruptions and, you know, really harsh accusations coming from the republicans to try to sort of change the narrative and put Michael Cohen on the defensive. Cohen has been, you know, very contrite in his statements to the court. Hes, you know, expressed, you know, regret over his role in these crimes, and i think that it will be very hard for the republicans to sit still and hear Michael Cohen testifying under oath about specifically, as you said, lawrence, President Trump and candidate trump doing x or y and being complicit in trying to, you know, hide the money in his involvement in the hush money and other activities in terms of trumps business interests in russia, which he lied about and denied repeatedly during the campaign and has continued to lie about. So well have an opportunity to really hear from Michael Cohen about a range of issues. And as harry said, hes not subject to subpoena. And that means that there will be a free range of testimony that can be offered about these really serious matters. Sam stein, quickly before we go. At this time a week from now as were analyzing Michael Cohens testimony, will impeachment get new energy in washington next week . It really i mean, it really depends. I am curious if they press him on that disputed buzzfeed report about whether donald trump directed him to offer previous false testimony to congress. Those are the types of questions that depending on how Michael Cohen answers it, you start getting into talk about impeachment or those types of proceedings. But we cant possibly know until we see Michael Cohen sit down and express his Comfort Level with going into those types of details. The everpatient sam stein. Harry litman, lisa graves, sam stein, thank you for starting us off. Really appreciate it. And when we come back, a warning that foreign state actors like russia and north korea are already at it again. They are already attacking the 2020 president ial campaign. And it is pierce that Elizabeth Warrens tax plan is winning President Trumps is beating the President Trump tax bill in popularity with voters. Former bill clinton secretary of labor robert riesh will be here to discuss all of that. 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He conducted an internet search for the phrase civil war if trump impeached. His list of targets included House Speaker nancy pelosi, representatives alexandria ocasiocortez and maxine waters, senator richard blumenthal, whom he refers to in that list as cnn blumenjew. Many of the senators running for president in 2020 were on his list. In a letter found by investigators, lieutenant hasson wrote i am a longtime white nationalist, having been a skinhead 30plus years ago before my time in the military. The documents reveal that the defendant, quote, conducted online searches and made thousands of visits for prorussian neofascist and neonazi literature. A new report in politico says there are signs of some of the same activity from foreign state actors online that we saw in their interference in the 2016 president ial campaign. That activity is now aimed at the 2020 democratic president ial candidates. That is, according to a new report from politico, which says that there are signs that some of the activity is coming from foreign state actors. The goal of the coordinated barrage appears to be undermining the nascent candidacies through the dissemination of memes, hashtags, misinformation and distortions of their positions, but the divisive nature of many of the posts also hints at a broader effort to sow discord and chaos with the democratic president ial primary. The main targets appear to be four of the leading current leading president ial candidates, kamala harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and beto orourke, who is not yet an announced president ial candidate. According to politico, there are clear signs of a coordinated effort of undetermined size that shares similar characteristics with the propaganda attacks launched by trolls at russias Internet Agency in the 2016 president ial campaign. Joining us now is discuss all of this is the president of guardians. Ai, the tech company that helped politico analyze whats going on in the disinformation campaigns. Were also joined by malcolm nance, an nbc counterterrorism analyst and author. And malcolm, let me begin with you on this arrest that were now learning about of a lieutenant in the coast guard who was planning what the prosecutors are calling a mass murder attack unlike anything weve ever seen. Some very specific targets included in this mass murder that he was planning. You know, i read the report and i took a look at what he was saying. Very interesting factor here is that he seemed to be an admirer of anders barren breivik, the norweigian neofascist, antiglobalist, supporter of russia who believed there needed to be a Global International of white nationalists who would go around conducting mass murder. Breivik himself carried out a mass murder and a car bomb attack in norway in which he killed over 89 people, including an attack on atoya island, a Political Party childrens summer camp where he shot 69 children to death so he said he could eliminate the next generation of liberals leadership from norway. This appears to be a person who wanted to copycat that attack. He said he followed breiviks manifesto, talking about taking steroids to pump yourself up for the attack. What i find most noteworthy, his arsenal, he had a lot of guns but he didnt have a lot of ammunition. There is most likely somewhere else caches of ammunition and weapons which he intended to carry out these attacks with. Andrew mccabe appeared at 8 00 p. M. Tonight on chris hayes show. Chris hayes was actually one of the people on this hit list of this coast guard lieutenant who has been arrested, who is now in custody. Chris hayes asked Andrew Mccabe if the how the fbi considers these kinds of threats from White Supremacists like this suspect who is now in custody. Lets listen to what Andrew Mccabe said about that. The fbi takes the threat posed by domestic terrorism in all its forms very seriously. Does it take it seriously enough . Thats a different question. As this threat continues and develops and becomes more violent and more intense, the fbi, im sure, is going through a process of constantly reevaluating how their intelligence collection and their investigative resources are positioned against this threat. But i can tell you from my own experience it is one of the most concerning and closely watched threats that we have in the Counterterrorism Division at the fbi. And malcolm, in this case, closely watched enough that they were able to catch this one and stop it. Well, you know, theres this saying with the fbi that if you if youre plotting an attack and youre trying to communicate with isis or al qaeda, youre talking to the fbi. They have gotten down International Counterterrorism to a science here in the United States. It is the rightwing exists, and were seeing the largest level of rightwing extremism since the 1980s militias movement. The problem is many people in this movement believe that Law Enforcement and organizations like the fbi are going to be sympathetic to them. Its just a question of manpower and resources and the belief that this ideological underpinning of White Supremacy is a threat on par and equal to what they believe is islamic extremist terrorism. Until the bureau gets its orders, and its certainly not getting any help from this white house, they are going to be stressed and stretched to be able to meet this threat. And one other thing. This is one individual. It is very hard to get in the mind of a single killer. But as soon as you get these indications, the organizations like the Coast Guard Intelligence and the fbi snapped down on that person. Brett, you did the analysis for politico about whats happening already in the 2020 campaign from foreign actors like russia and north korea. This suspect who is in custody who was planning mass murder was trafficking in some of these russiansourced materials online. What you have found in the reporting at politico apparently is that youre seeing patterns that are virtually identical to what we saw in 2016. Correct. And i dont know the particulars of this case, but i think this and the recent statements by dan coats and others highlights that this isnt just about fake news. Its not just about politics. Its about a fullscale attack to divide and confuse americans and rip at the fabric of our society. And so for us we look at this research from a nonpartisan perspective because we see weaponization of ideas on all sides. And that and that particular case, to me its an example of narratives have consequences and memes can turn into behaviors. What happens on twitter and social media doesnt stay there. So we saw a troubling shift in tactics and narratives in the middle of the 2018 cycle. We analyzed over 140 million tweets and saw that there was a shift in tactics that evaded detection by how most researchers find this stuff. Theyre getting more clever, more nuanced. Then all of these accounts started surging last minute, really the last week of the 2018 campaign, and they were pushing narratives around voter fraud, around the caravan crisis, and these narratives started to have more and more calls to violence if there were cases of voter fraud or other conspiracies that came true. And what do you do you think that the correct measures are being taken to defend against this kind of stuff for the 2020 campaign . Unfortunately not. I think thats one of the items both from the government, these political campaigns, journalists and ngos really just arent equipped. Were still debating what happened in 2016. Meanwhile, bad actors both domestic and abroad are evolving their techniques, going to new platforms and being more targeted in the way they really try and hack the thoughts of everyday americans. Were out of time for this tonight, but were going to have to have you both back to guide the audience about what they should be consuming and how they should be consuming political information during the campaign. Brett horvath and malcolm nance, thank you both for joining us. When we come back, a new poll shows a majority of republicans support Elizabeth Warrens plan to raise taxes on the super rich. Former labor secretary robert reich will join us with his analysis of the issues being raised by the democratic president ial candidates, especially the economic issues. 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Donald trump has tax problems, very big tax problems, with most taxpayers complaining that they dont feel the impact of the trump tax cuts, which were designed to give the big benefits to corporations and the super rich. No voter knows just how much donald trump himself benefitted from the tax cuts that he signed into law because weve never seen a trump tax return. Thats why democrats in the house of representatives are advancing a bill that would require president ial candidates to release ten years of tax returns, something that democratic candidate Elizabeth Warren has already done. The even bigger tax problem that donald trump has for his Reelection Campaign is that the democratic proposals for taxing the super rich are super popular. According to a new poll, a majority of voters, including republicans, support Elizabeth Warrens 2 tax on wealth over 50 million. 75 of democrats support it and 51 of republicans support it. And a majority of voters approve of congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortezs proposal to tax income over 10 million at 70 , which is double the current tax rate for income over 10 million. Senator Bernie Sanders is the newest entry into the democratic field of president ial candidates and he is proposing higher estate taxes on the super rich. President trump attacks all of the candidates ideas about how they would spend the money that their new taxes would raise, such as Elizabeth Warrens new proposal for universal childcare. The president dismisses all of these ideas as socialism. Thats the same line that opponents of Social Security used in 1935. Its the same line that opponents of medicare used in 1965. Its the same line that opponents of obamacare used when congress was voting on that. But the problem for donald trump and his speech writers is thats the kind of socialism that americans like and americans want. 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President trump plans to run against socialism no matter who the democratic nominee for president is, but polls show that attack wont work. Joining us now, someone with real experience advancing Economic Policy on the campaign trail, robert reich was an economic adviser to candidate bill clinton on the president ial campaign of 1992, before becoming bill clintons secretary of labor. Robert reich is currently a professor of Public Policy at the university of california at berkeley. His latest book is the common good. And professor reich, i have a feeling donald trump would say that sounds like a socialist title to him, the common good, im not sure hed like the sound of that. Im not sure he knows what the common good is, lawrence. For 85 years now, in fact, just before the program i went back and i checked. For 85 years republicans have been accusing democratic president s of being socialists, and it started with franklin d. Roosevelt, as you pointed out before, when he was trying to get Social Security passed. And then lyndon johnson, 30 years later with regard to medicare. But these are the most popular programs in america, and trump voters love Social Security and they love medicare, and certainly with regard to preexisting conditions on the Affordable Care act, most americans want that as well. So this is not this attack, the socialism attack i dont think is going to is going to stick. And the theres a poll out on medicare for all, for example, 70 in favor of medicare for all. Look, i accept the label of socialist for things like medicare, Social Security. I think those are socialist programs. Theyre what i call good socialism and america thinks its so good it refuses to call it socialism because it seems to think thats a bad word. Well, certainly those of us who are over 30 years old, we remember the soviet union and some of us even remember joe mccarthy in the 1950s calling democrats and anybody else he could find communists. But, you know, in these days, those labels really mean very, very little. Most Americans Care about what i call Kitchen Table economics. They care about their wages, their benefits, they care about retirement, theyre worried about Funding College education for their kids. Theyre worried about affording drugs and health care and everything else. To the extent that democrats can be democrats and respond to these Kitchen Table economic issues, then labels frankly dont mean a thing. And the it seems that everyone has a form of socialism that they like. When you look at the nfl and how they get their stadiums paid for by local taxpayers, you look at amazon wanting to do business, open up more office space in new york city and it wants tax breaks from the local government, thats socialistic help from the local government. And so everyone seems to find something socialistic that they like. If they like it in america, they dont call it socialism. Well, thats right. In fact, donald trump believes in and has been promoting since he was elected socialism for the rich. Yes. And harsh capitalism for everybody else. I mean, look at the 1. 9 trillion cut in taxes for big corporations and for the very, very wealthy. No conditions placed on that, obviously. He said everybody would be benefitted, it would trickle down. It didnt trickle down. It went into executive salaries and stock buybacks. Thats a form of socialism if you think about socialism for the rich is basically giving them huge benefits for doing nothing. Robert reich, are you ready to get back into president ial campaigning . Is there a candidate youre going to sign up with . No, lawrence. I think like i usually do, im going to try to be as helpful as i can. This particular crew of democrats, both the ones who have announced and others who are in the wings, frankly, ive been in and around democratic campaigns for the last i dont even want to say, 45 years, and this is among the most gifted and experienced, and i think really impressive crew that the democrats have fielded. And its also the most diverse, clearly the most diverse. I think this is terrific. Robert reich, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thanks, lawrence. When we come back, tonights last word, the credibility of Andrew Mccabe. cos i know what it means to walk along the lonely street of dreams here i go again on my you realize your vows are a whitesnake song . I do. If you ride, you get it. 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Former acting fbi director Andrew Mccabe was my guest for most of this hour last night, discussing the revelations in his new book, the threat how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump. One of the most historic and important scenes in the book is when Andrew Mccabe tells the fbi opened a counterintelligence investigation of the president of the United States. That means the fbi was investigating the real possibility that the president could be an agent of or an unwilling asset of the russian government and vladimir putin. It was a briefing that no one in that room ever expected to hear about an american president. The president of the United States was a suspect in an investigation of his possibly illegal dealings with russia. It was the plot of a bad movie being presented to the gang of eig eight. The gang of eight is the capitol hill term for the top level congressional leaders who receive the most classified briefings on intelligence matters. Andrew mccabes credibility has been challenged by most of the interviewers hes faced when discussing his book because the Inspector General of the department of justice found that Andrew Mccabe was not completely truthful when questioned about contacts with the news media while he was Deputy Director of the fbi the year before the events described in his book. After this break, well consider Andrew Mccabe credibility and reveal how Andrew Mccabe discovered that the gang of eight is really a gang of about two dozen. Congestion and pressu . You wont find relief here. Go to the pharmacy counter for powerful claritind. While the leading allergy spray only relieves 6 symptoms, claritind relieves 8, including sinus congestion and pressure. Claritind relieves more. And everyone ive ever opioloved away from me. Thing everything. I blew my ankle out and i got prescribed pain pills by my doctor. If making my detox public is gonna help somebody im all for it. I just wish i wouldve had a warning. 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Did you make it clear to them that this is a counterintelligence investigation of donald trump, and did you provide them with any evidence that in effect launched this investigation . So i dont want to go into too much detail about exactly what we discussed in that briefing. I want to be respectful of the fact that those communications between the leaders of the department and the leaders on the hill are things that we respect in terms of being confidential. And so respecting the confidentiality of that meeting Andrew Mccabe did not tell us any of the specific evidence he presented in that briefing. He simply said he told the congressional leaders that the fbi was now officially investigating the president of the United States. In his book he does not reveal specifically what he said. His book says after reminding the committee of how this investigation began i told them of additional steps we had taken. No one interrupted. No one pushed back. The mood in the room was sober. Schumer had been nodding his head and looking at me very directly throughout the brief. On mcconnells side of the table i sensed a great deal of resignation. I asked him about that last night. And none of them asked a single question about it or raised any issue of resistance to that investigation . Lawrence, there was no resistance whatsoever. The purpose of the briefing was to brief them on the steps we had taken. I also walked them through the history, how we had gotten to the point where we were at that place and time, and then to brief them on the steps that i had taken during that week. It was the same briefing in which Rod Rosenstein announced to the leadership that he had appointed a special counsel. But at the conclusion of my remarks there were no objections. There were no protests. There was no there was a clear sense in the room that people were resigned to the fact that we had taken a necessary step. That was my impression. In judging Andrew Mccabes credibility about that meeting you should consider that no one who was in that meeting is now objecting to Andrew Mccabes written description of that meeting or what Andrew Mccabe said about that meeting on this program last night. Andrew mccabe discovered in the room that the gang of eight is really a gang of about 24 because each of the members usually brings a couple of Staff Members with them. So not one of the two dozen people who were in that room has emerged to simply say Andrew Mccabes not telling the truth about what happened in that room. Nbc news got an official no comment from six of the members who were in that room. Speaker nancy pelosi, congressman adam schiff, senator mitch mcconnell, senator chuck schumer, senator richard burr, senator mark warner. Former Speaker Paul Ryan issued a statement saying we never commented on his Intelligence Briefings and devin nunes issued a statement that simply is not true. He said, i cannot comment on the content of gang of eight briefings. That is not true. The truth is he cannot comment on the classified content and only the classified content of gang of eight briefings. Just the classified content. Thats all thats restricted. And thats what we saw Andrew Mccabe do here last night. That is why Andrew Mccabe would not tell us the specifics of the evidence he presented in that room, because that is classified. But devin nunes would not be revealing anything that happened in that room if he simply said Andrew Mccabe is not telling the truth about what happened in that room. But devin nunes has not said that. Carefully not said that. Andrew mccabes book has been available for days now, and there is not one sentence about anyone in that book that has been challenged by anyone in that book. In interviews Andrew Mccabe has revealed that Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein more than once seriously discussed the possibility of wearing a wire into the oval office to record his discussions with the president because he believed that those discussions could include evidence that could be used against the president. The Justice Department issued a statement about that which did not deny that Rod Rosenstein seriously discussed wearing a wire into the oval office. The statement says the Deputy Attorney general never authorized any recording that mr. Mccabe references. Exactly. Thats exactly what Andrew Mccabe said. Theres no conflict there. Andrew mccabe never said that Rod Rosenstein authorized the wearing of the wire. He says that Rod Rosenstein just talked about it and talked about it more than once. So there you have Rod Rosenstein in effect with that statement confirming that he talked about it because he doesnt deny that he talked about it. In the statement that the Justice Department issued. In interviews Andrew Mccabe has also revealed that Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein more than once conducted serious discussions about the possibility of using the constitutional procedure of the 25th amendment to remove the president from office. The Justice Department statement says the Deputy Attorney general previously has stated there is no basis to invoke the 25th amendment, nor was the Deputy Attorney general in a position to consider invoking the 25th amendment. Exactly. Theres no conflict there because Andrew Mccabe did not say that Rod Rosenstein was in a position to invoke the 25th amendment because everyone knows the Deputy Attorney general cannot invoke the 25th amendment. It can only be invoked by the Vice President , first the Vice President , and then a majority of the cabinet has to join the Vice President. So the Justice Departments statement does not contradict a single word that Andrew Mccabe has said about Rod Rosenstein seriously discussing wearing a wire into the oval office and seriously discussing whether the 25th amendment could be used to remove the president. The Justice Department statement serves in effect as a confirmation that what Andrew Mccabe is saying is absolutely true about Rod Rosenstein because Rod Rosenstein does not dare to contradict one word that Andrew Mccabe actually said about him, and that is because Rod Rosenstein no doubt knows that Andrew Mccabe took careful notes of all of his conversations and all of those notes are in the possession of special prosecutor Robert Mueller. So if youre trying to judge Andrew Mccabes credibility about what he has written in his book and what he has been saying in his interviews, the fact is that as of tonight, and now this could change, but as of right now tonight not one word Andrew Mccabe has written or said in his interviews has been contradicted by any of the people he is talking about in his book or in his interviews. I knew with this book i had the opportunity to give the American Public the rare chance to peek behind the fbi curtain to understand who does this work, why do we do it, and how do we do it. How do we make these decisions . How do we decide where this Incredible Organization is going to go and what were going to do . Its not the story that youve heard from the president. It is not the story that youve heard from his supporters on the hill. It is the actual story of how work is done in an institution that is crucial to the health of this democracy. Andrew mccabe gets tonights last word. 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