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Post workers who have braved very serious cold in the past. Really takes something to stop that. Yeah, if youve been delivering stop that. Yeah, if youve been delivering the mail in north dakota in february your whole life and their like you know what, this is actually an emergency, not this time, these are tough folks so this is serious thing. We wish them warmth. Thanks, lawrence. Thank you, rachel. Well, the plot thickened today in the mystery of donald trump and Vladimir Putin. The Financial Times reported late today that donald trump sat down for a fifth for a meeting that was at least 15 minutes long with Vladimir Putin at the g20 summit in november after President Trump publicly announced that he canceled a oneonone meeting with Vladimir Putin at that same summit because of recent russian aggression against ukraine. President trump did not have an american translator or a staff note taker with him in that meeting. Vladimir putin did have his translator present, and so only the russians really know what was said in that meeting. The Financial Times report came at the end of what was an already historic day in the Senate Intelligence committee on this very subject. When the leaders of americas intelligence agencies refused to publicly answer the question does the president of the United States secret discussions with Vladimir Putin put the United States at a disadvantage in dealing with russia . Its according to press reports donald trump met privately with Vladimir Putin and no one in the u. S. Government has the full story about what was discussed. Director haskell and director coats, would this put you in a disadvantaged position in terms of understanding russias efforts to advance its agenda against the United States . Question for you two and then im out of times. Thank you for letting me have a response. Clearly its a sensitive issue and an issue we ought to talk about this afternoon. Look forward to discussing that in a closed session. The hearing also made history when the heads of the intelligence agencies in the Trump Administration completely disagreed with President Trump on a series of National Security issues. President trump said, quote, there is no longer a Nuclear Threat from north korea. And here is what his director of National Intelligence dan coats and director of the cia gena haspel said about that today. We currently assess north korea will seek to retain its wmd capabilities and is unlikely to completely give up its Nuclear Weapons and production capabilities because its leaders ultimately view Nuclear Weapons as critical to regime survival. What would you say it current state of the threat from north korea . The regime is committed to developing a longrange Nuclear Missile that would pose a direct threat to the United States. And of course President Trump famously claims that he has destroyed isis. We have won against isis. Weve beaten them, and weve beaten them badly. Today the director of National Intelligence said that isis still has thousands of fighters and is resurging. While isis is nearing territorial defeat in iraq and syria, its continuing to plot attacks and directed support worldwide. And still commands thousands of fighters in iraq and syria. And when discussing the deal with iran that prevents iran from developing Nuclear Weapons, the Trump Administration officials sounded like obama Administration Officials. Even though President Trump broke that deal with iran, the Trump Administration Officials Say that iran is still complying with the Obama Administrations deal. We do not believe iran is currently undertaking activities we judge necessary to produce the nuclear device. Since our departure from the deal, they have abided by the terms you say theyre considering. But at the current moment yes, theyre making some preparations that would increase their ability to take a step back if they make that decision. So at the moment technically theyre in compliance. In the hours of testimony about the Intelligence Services annual report on the worldwide threat assessment, the Trump Administration officials did not support President Trumps argument that we need a wall on the southern border for National Security. The Trump Administration intelligence officials did not say one word about a wall. And even more importantly from a political perspective on the future prospects of such a wall ever being built, none of the republican senators on the committee asked a single question about any threat to the United States at our southern border. And one of the members of the committee is the senior senator from texas john cornyn who represents the single largest section of the southern border in the United States senate. Not one word. Not one word about a wall or a National Security threat at our southern border. Leading off our discussion now is ambassador wendy sherman, an nbc Global Affairs contributor. And a former acting director of the cia and msnbc National Security analyst. Ambassador sherman, i want to start with you and really i leave it to you to pick what of what we learned today in that hearing do you think deserves the most important concentration tonight. Well, i think there are two things, lawrence. One, of course that the Intelligence Community is completely at odds with the president of the United States. We dont rely on the Intelligence Community to define policy, which im sure john will discuss. But we do think that their data, their assessments, their facts are important to constructing policy. And clearly the president from january 22nd right after the inauguration when he really denigrated the cia, visiting the wall of the fallen cia agents, we know that the president really wont pay any attention to these assessments because facts dont matter. But secondly within this analysis, the Intelligence Community told us that russia and china are aligning their interests and working more and more together, that the United States government does not have a comprehensive strategy for dealing with russian interference of the u. S. Election, which they expect to be front and center again in 2020. Both of these things are of great concern. And in the strategy that director coats put out earlier this week, he indeed said that the retreat by the west and by implication the United States from the World Community and from the Global Community has left a vacuum that is being filled by our enemies and our adversaries. John, was it ever conceivable to you prior to the Trump Presidency that you could have the heads of these intelligence agencies testifying to the United States senate and not being able to say a simple no publicly to the question, does the president of the United States put the United States at a disadvantage in dealing with russia because of his secret communications with russia . No, i dont think that could have happened in any other time or any other administration. And as wendy pointed out, this was a remarkable hearing in many respects. I was proud of this community. I always call these people the fact witnesses. In other words, at a time when facts are debatable and truth is challenged, these are the people that are supposed to come in and say heres what you can believe, heres the way it works. Theres another dimension to this that occurred to me. Ive been thinking about it all day because the fact there was such a gulf between the president and these people on key issues is one thing. Theres another thing remarkable here. These people had their act together. It was coherent. They clearly worked together well. They knew their facts. They had nuance. They were prepared to say what they thought. It all made sense. Thats a rather rare thing in this government these days. And i think that is kind of a greater than the sum of the parts aspect to this hearing today. And wendy sherman, one thing i was struck by when dan coats took that question of is the president putting us at a disadvantage, it seemed to be something he was ready for . It seemed to be something he anticipated . He clearly wasnt happy to have to deal with it at all, but he clearly knew what he was going to have to say. And that was one where he was going to have to say i cant answer you publicly, were going to have to wait for the closed session. Yes, it made me think, lawrence, of the aspen security conference which i attended over the summer and Andrea Mitchell interviewed coats and asked him about the helsinki summit with Vladimir Putin. And clearly coats probably got in some trouble because he said he wouldnt have approached the media in quite the way the president did. And then andrea broke the news to him that the president had invited putin to the white house. And quite frankly director coats was gob smacked, and i think today he was trying to be very careful in not trying to go too far here. But clearly his feeling about all of this was evident. He doesnt believe what the president believes. Hes very concerned about whats happening with russia, and he he wanted to talk with the members about this in private. And john mclaughlin, you dont have to be in the Intelligence Community to know isis was not defeated. To hear all you have to do is have access to a newspaper to know that, that there are thousands of members of isis and they are resurging in certain ways. The north korea information was an intelligence assessment that most, you know, people are not in a position to make. We dont really know whats going on in north korea, and theres Donald Trumps administration saying theres been no appreciable progress with north korea. Not only that, but the regimes own definition of its survival turns on the north korean regime rutaining Nuclear Weapons. Right, and we know even from publicly available information, lawrence, they continue to enrich uranium. We know one of the think tanks in washington have a credible report they are modernizing the base that would be a base from which an icbm would be launched towards the United States. So its evident that program is not going as the president has indicated. And theres another thing thats buried in this report i dont think anyone has noticed yet. If you look at the forward of the written statement, in very careful language the director of National Intelligence says many of our allies are pulling away from us because of concerns about our Security Policies and our trade policies. Its carefully phrased so it doesnt jump out at you. But can you imagine if that were to be said in any other administration, it would be a headline item. The chief Intelligence Officer of the United States talking about diminishing fidelity among our allies because of our policies. And that would be considered an emergency, not anything that weve seen at the southern border. Wendy sherman, i want to talk about the iran deal. You helped negotiate that deal. Working on it as an undersecretary of state. And there you heard Trump Administration officials sounding i think something very close to what we would have heard from Hillary Clinton Administration Officials at this point. Only they would have had an iran deal still in place. Here is a Trump Administration official saying even though donald trump tore up the american end of the deal, iran is still complying. Indeed. And the International Atomic Energy Agency which monitors this deal has said in many reports now that they have been complying with the deal. But one other point about iran. The president and his administration has tried to put maximum pressure on iran by leaving the deal and increasing sanctions, trying to enforce those sanctions, working with others. But in fact the behavior in the region that we are all very concerned about has not improved, its actually gotten worse. Because the really hard hard liners of iran feel theyve won, that theyve proved that the United States was not to be trusted or respected. And they feel that they can now act with impunity in the middle east. So in fact the president s withdrawal and his actions have made us less safe, not more safe. John, to the point we led with tonight which is this late report today that theres been another secret meeting of donald trump sitting down with Vladimir Putin, no americans present, no one who could translate except the russian translator who works for Vladimir Putin, this comes after a day where the intelligence agencies were already exposed to trying to deal with this, and they said we cant talk about it publicly, have to talk about it in private session. It turns out theres even more to talk about in that private session than the senators knew when they were questioning the intelligence officials today. You know, if i could be a fly on the wall or if i could talk to the russian translator, i think what i would want to know most is what is it that putin says . What is it that is so persuasive about him that enables the president to say with a straight face, they didnt do anything, i believe him. Is it a personality from a kgb officer, theyre good at this, or does he have some sort of logic that refutes the facts . Does trump present him the facts . We have no idea what that dialogue would be. They may just be kin dread souls. We dont know what they talk about. No. Lets take at face value what the president has said a number of times, that it would be good to have a better relationship with russia. I cant dispute that. Thats true. But how you get there is the important point, and in my experience dealing with russia, the most important thing you can do with them is to tell them what you know and what you think , and when you know theyre not telling you the truth that you acknowledge it, but that you know changes the dynamic. I dont think thats whats going on here. I think this is kgb officer whos got a lot of influence over his partner. Wendy sherman, a quick last word on these private trumpputin conversations that remain absolutely secret and no one in the American Government actually knows whats said. Incredibly dangerous. President putin understands english. Donald trump doesnt understand russian. We have no idea really how the translations going back and forth. And many of us believe, john would probably know this better than i that the russians have a complete transcript of everything that wept on in that meeting. Theyre quite cognizant of it, and our government doesnt have a clue. Russians have a transcript. Oh, sure, you bet. Were going to have to leave it there. Thank you both for joining us tonight. And when we come back one of the charges against roger stone tell us about who else might possibly face indictment by Robert Muellers prosecutors. 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In a report of roger stones plea today the Washington Post included this interesting line. Asked tuesday whether he would consider pardoning stone President Trump told the Washington Post, i have not given it any thought. Last night on this program former cia director john brennen said that based on his experience as cia director and analyzing the evidence that has emerged since he left the cia, he believes that Robert Mueller will bring more indictments. So i do think that the next series of indictments or indictments that are going to be coming out, are going to give us in fact those final clues now, you refer to the next series of indictments. Why do you believe there will be a next series of indictments . Whether its one indictment thats going to include the indictments of many people or its going to come out together. But i do think Robert Mueller is going to try to bring this to some type of closure in the coming months. And i would find it very hard to believe that other indictments are not going to come down. Again, based on my reading of all the details in those indictments. Joining our discussion now mimi rocah, and Jennifer Ruben. And mimi, i want to start with you. What do you see at this point in the roger stone case . Youve written a long piece about it today, about what you think the possibilities are. Sure. So i think that as john brennen said, there are a lot of hints in the stone indictment that there is more to come. For example, that famous paragraph 12 that everyones talked about where, you know, it talks about someone higher up, and it talks in this very passive voice, directing a high Level Campaign person to get stone to find out more about the wikileaks emails. Why was that in there . This detail did not need to be in there in this pretty straightforward obstruction and witness tampering with stone. The fact it had been made public and hacked specifically, thats paragraph 2 of the indictment. Theres a lot of detail in there that mueller seems to be trying to tell us something, though i dont think we know yet what that is. And then there are other things that have come out even just today. I thought it was interesting that when stone was arraigned apparently in court on his indictment the case was designated as a, quote, complex case. Thats a technical designation that means that the volume and type of discovery and evidence in this case is so complex that the parties in the court are going to need extra time to sort of sort through it before a trial date can be set. Well, this indictment on its face is pretty straightforward indictment. I mean, im not saying theres not other evidence. But frankly, whats laid out in the indictment could almost be a trial in and of itself. You know, he lied to congress and here are the emails and texts to prove it. So the fact this is designated a complex case hints to me that theres more depth in whats underlying this indictment and foreshadows more to come. Were going to listen to something roger stone said after he was arraigned today in federal court. And i dont like to play a video of people who are lifetime liars like roger stone. He is as pathological a liar as anyones ever seen in politics. All campaigns have shunned imine many, many decades. The audience should be warned every word stone says here is not true. Including the nutty concept this is legal lynching. No lynching is legal. But lets listen to the madness of roger stone. This is a lynching. This is legal lynching of me because i appear on infowars. Because im friends with alex jones. Because i support donald trump and i supported him for president and i still support him. Because i helped take down the ooefbl queen, the foulmouthed, shorttempered Hillary Clinton. Jennifer ruben, if youre looking for logic in the madness of roger stone it can only be hes looking for a relatively short prison sentence or a pardon from donald trump so he can get one of these online shows like the one he appeared on today. Thats the only logical explanation. And i think he better hope for the pardon because i dont think hes going to end up with a short sentence. Mimi said something interesting. You can see the out lines of charges in this case. And one of the questions in my mind is will mueller indict wikileaks . And that is left as a hanging question i think with this and other inquiries. And jackie spears and others have been saying hes not the only one. So to the extent that people were aligning their testimony to lie to congress, there are others out there, donald trump, jr. , being i think the most popular name that you hear coming up, that is going to be one of them. So both on the obstruction front as well as on the collusion front, you can see the tentacles of this case extending to many other individuals. Mimi, its always been hard for me personally following the stone situation because i know him to be a lifetime buffoon, an absolute abject buffoon who no one in politics took seriously. So its always been hard for me to believe hes at the center of anything even interesting in a political campaign. But if theres a campaign where roger stone could be in the center of something, it is the most buffoonish president ial campaign in history, of course, the trump campaign. And so this is the only place in politics where it is possible that roger stone leads to something very serious. Yeah, and look, this is serious. I mean, ive said this before, but the obstruction and the witness tampering in and of itself should be taken very seriously, first of all. But underneath that the why are they lying, not just stone but so many people around the president lying about the russians over and over and risking criminal prosecution. I mean, even if youre a buffoon presumably you dont want to go to jail and you know that if you repeatedly lie to congress while youre emailing the person that youre lying and saying, you know, that youre not talking to, which is what stone did, youre going to likely face prison time. So this is it does seem very serious, and it does seem much more complicated. Again, whats underlying this indictment i think there is still a complicated story here. And weve gotten a big piece of it. We got a big piece of it from the Michael Cohen plea. We got a big piece in the Michael Stone indictment, but theres still a lot to tell in this story. And remember we havent yet seen the fruits of the Michael Cohen corporation, of the Michael Flynn cooperation. We know they met for i think 19 times i think it was. We have not fully seen that yet. And so thats another sign or reason why i think a lot of us are saying theres still more to come. Mimi roca and Jennifer Ruben thank you for joining us on this tonight. And so said tonight, trump is a fraud. And new polls indicate that even some trump voters are catching onto the fraud. And later we will be joined by congresswoman lucy mcbeth. burke parking splat. And we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. Now no fruit is forbidden. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for allday, allnight protection. Can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn . For allday, starts with lookingion. Buiat something old,nk and saying, really . So capital one is building something completely new. Capital one cafes. 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This was in fact the image carefully cultivated by Book Publishers and tv producers and by trump himself as a president ial candidate who claimed to be a peerless negotiator, an unrivalled businessman and an excellent manager. He lost the most visible and important confrontation of his presidency in negotiating with House Speaker nancy pelosi over the Government Shutdown. Michael gerson goes onto catalog claims by candidate trump that had been proven untrue including the claim of being a selfmade billionaire. And the claim that he hires the best people. Gerson writes, no one can reasonably claim to believe in trumps brand as it was sold in 2016. We have plumbed the shallows of his boasts. They are refuted lies. And whatever else the president may be, he is a fraud. The oped piece which ran just above Michael Gersons oped page stresses the complete collapse of candidate trumps promises to coal miners about the coal administration. Trump has blamed Obama Administration regulation, but catherine points out the Coal Production is much more severe with u. S. Coal consumption hitting its lowest point in 39 years during President Trumps second year in office. She writes, trump promises a vision of an industry from decades ago and then struggles to understand why he cant turn back the clock. She notes that the American Steel industry is producing about as much steel today as they did 30 years ago just with fewer than half the workers thanks to productivity gains. So the steel jobs are not coming back to the United States because they are already here. And most of those steel jobs are now held by machines. The voting public is catching onto the fraud. For example, donald trump campaigned relentlessly on the size of the national debt, which he said he would eliminate as president of the United States. And of course the trump tax cuts have dramatically increased the budget deficit and the national debt. 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It was a its a fraud wrapped in a bamboozle. There are people that wanted to believe, and i think now as various parts of what has been a Strong Economy start to slow down, we start to see some yellow lights, people even talking about the dreaded r word of recession, i think a lot of those people that wanted to believe are by the end of his term going to be acting like they never knew him, they had nothing to do with him. Just like anyone remembers how he voted for richard nixon. Jennifer, when i saw the headline the post in and trump is a fraud and ive always thought that for decades before observing him in new york life. But i did think this is an important piece. Its elegantly written, but historians are going to need this 50 years from now. Theyre going to need to see the present tense reading of just how much fraud there was. And i think columnists like you and Michael Gerson and others actually need to continue filing these things for history. Yes, in fact we often have this internal debate. Should we keep writing the same thing, he lied and, yes. Theyre going to need it because you need to remind voters. He still thinks we owe china a check of, you know, billions and billions of dollars. His understanding of basic economics is nonexistent. And then theres the thing, he just makes up, whether its on immigration, on trade, whether its on the biggest recovery effort which was patently untrue. Hes been lying his whole life. Instead of selling admission to his university, he sold votes and he conned people out of their votes. So this is not new, but it does become more and more troubling. Because for a while, frankly, he could coast on the record of barack obama who handed him a very good economy. And it continued on sort of cruise control. Every president sort of gets to reap the benefits or carry the burdens of the president before. But now trump is making decisions and oh, my gosh, things are going off the deep end. Whether its shutting down the government, losing billions of dollars or starting trade wars, whether its running up a huge debt. These are things he does that he wont acknowledge that actually have real life ramifications. And i think its different for some of these trump voters when its their paycheck that theyve missed now two times in a row, when its their Small Business that isnt being patronized by government workers. I absolutely think thats right. Thats deeply insightful. Thats exactly right, that its one thing if youre running a casino and whatever and you told your investors something that was puffery and it wasnt exactly right. Hes the president of the United States. He promised these people when they cut taxes for big corporations and very high income people by 2 trillion, he promised the average family was going to get 4,000 higher income. And people are going to look around and be like, well, wait a minute, hashtag wheres my 4,000 . And i think this is just going to keep building up. And the more you write about the lies, the puffery, the things that are completely not true, the more that just closes in, the window just closes and closes. And finally like i say theyre going to pretend they never met him, they dont know him. And theyre going to say i hated that guy from the beginning. Before you go, let me ask you a campaign question for the democrats running. Most of them have some developing and very clear economic policies theyre advocating. Elizabeth warrens tax policy. Others im sure are going to be coming forward with more and more Economic Policy arguments. How much time you were in the obama campaign, strategically as an Economic Advisor in a campaign if you were now, how much time would you say a candidate should devoted to pointing out the fraud of donald trump when it comes to promising more coal jobs, promising more steel jobs . I dont know. Look, im just the policy guy. 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She came in a very close second for governor last november, and in the process won the hearts of democrats nationwide. Her Strong Campaign in a republican state helped drive up turnout for other democrats on the ballot, and one of those in the Congressional District was lucy s. Bath, who in the past seven years has gone from Flight Attendant to gun safety advocate after her son was murdered sitting in the backseat of a car at a gas station, because a white man with a gun decided the black kids in that car were playing their music too loud. Baths First Television interview occurred under those tragic circumstances on this program where she appeared for the first time as a grieving mother and a recurring american nightmare. Were not saying that you dont have a right to bear arms, because we cant choose for you what you choose to do. But there needs to be accountability, there needs to be responsibility, you need to understand the means by which you can bear arms and protect yourself. And that is something that really has to be addressed. People are operating in fear. People are afraid to walk out of their homes, and i know thats not what god intended for our country. Congresswoman lucy mcbath will join us next. Here is freshman iggy cry wee wee wee all the way home . Weeeeeee, weeeeeee weeeeeee weeeee weeeeeeee. Max. sigh . Maxwell yeah . Youre home. Oh, cool, thanks mrs. A. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Were finally going on the trip ive been promising. Because with expedia, i saved when i added a hotel to our flight. So even when she outgrows her costume, well never outgrow the memory of our adventure together. Unlock savings when you add select hotels to your existing trip. Only when you book with expedia. [kno king] memories. What we deliver by delivering. Here is freshman congresswoman lucy mcbath introducing her first bill in the house of representatives. Seven years ago, my son was violently torn from my life, a victim of gun violence, a victim of a person who had a gun who should never have received one. Today i join my colleagues and former congresswoman Gabby Giffords to prevent more families from facing the horror and heartbreak brought by gun violence. I am honored to cosponsor this buy partisan legislation for my son jordan and for the safety of every family in this country. Joining us now is representative lucy mcbath, democratic congressman from georgias sixth district. First of all, congratulations. Thank you so much. It is so great to have you back on this program. What was that like, to be standing in the well of the house of representatives and standing up to introduce your first bill and speaking for your son jordan at the same time . Well, it was very surreal. Ive been, you know, there in the gallery before watching other legislators put forth legislation and amendments and continuing resolutions. But to actually be there myself as a policymaker when ive come to washington so many times before as an advocate for safer gun laws, to actually be the policymaker was i think my son would be so proud in all the work that ive done with gun violence victims and survivors around the country. I just felt the weight of all that on my shoulders. Im sure you did. Democrats, since around 1994, have been kind of running away from guns in campaigns and running away from the issue because they felt they were hurt by it in the early 90s. The first time they lost the house of representatives in 40 years, they attributed part of that to the nra and guns. You not only took it on in the campaign, you did it in a republican district. This was Newt Gingrichs district that you won this campaign in. It was a squeaker, it was close, but you didnt shy away from this issue. You had to appeal to Republican Voters. How did you do that . I think that as a mother, there are families all over the country, and most specifically in my district, that theyre very concerned about their children coming home and talking about their lockdown drills. And i think that every person that i appealed to understood that that could also be their plight as well. That there are no safe spaces in the country, that gun violence is apparently everywhere, and that i, as a victim, could speak great credibility as to wanting to really keep them safe and why its important to do so. What advice do you have for democrats, especially democrats now running for president , about how to speak to Republican Voters . Because you had to convert Republican Voters in your district, some Republican Voters, to vote democrat. Probably some of them for the first time in their lives. Basically i just told my story. I had been a single mother, so i understood when we had that recession after september 11, and i took a hefty pay cut so i could speak very credibly to the fact that i could decide what i could and couldnt do anymore but still be able to make it every day. Having been a twotime Breast Cancer survivor, i understand what it means to make sure people have Affordable Health care, and that people with preexisting conditions like myself have the ability to have, you know, good treatment without high cost of that treatment. So my own lived experiences afforded me to be the face of the very thing that people in my district and around the nation are concerned about every single day. How do you do it . And by this i mean, how do you deal with the grief, which im sure is still there, of the loss of your son, something you didnt want to live to, you didnt want to be here none of us do. And how do you live with that every day Going Forward . I live with my grief by making sure that im fighting as hard as i can for the people that i live and work among every single day. For me that is how i manage my grief. To put myself forth for the sake of others, which is exactly what i was trying to teach my son to do as a human being. And so giving of myself, giving of my time and my talent, all of my treasure, trying to make sure that i am making democracy better for those people that are really counting on democracy working for them. Congresswoman lucy mcbath, thank you very much for joining us tonight, and i am not among those who are surprised that you are here now. It makes perfect sense to me. Thank you so much. It makes perfect sense to me. Thank you so much. The honorable lucy mcbath gets tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. Tonight a remarkable sight. The nations combined intelligence chiefs all in one place, all of them in disagreement with the president of the United States. No mention of any crisis at our southern border. Instead some dire threats from places like north korea, russia, china, iran and isis. The roger stone show moves to washington where he appears before a federal judge with a plea of not guilty right before he did the nixon wave outside of court where his next appearance is three days from now and where the judge might not take too kindly to roger stone the event