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See you tomorrow. Wait a minute. Isnt that a story about the power of wondering outloud on tv and how quickly we get an answer from our community of viewers, and it is a kind of interactive joy . Why isnt that a story . It is. It is, in fact, a story. But i feel like this is a power we should use sparingly and intentionally. I literally was like, oh, i wonder what that is. I dont know. It should occur to me if i Say Something like that on television, our viewers and the internet will answer. Like you cant just idly wonder about something. So one of the answers that i dont feel like i have is what is Michael Cohen up to . I listened to what Emily Jane Fox told you about what he kind of planned to do, what he ended up doing. Any of this make sense to you yet . You know, there is it seems like there is a whole bunch of Different Things going on at once. But then you have the physical observable thing that requires explanation. There is george and then there is Michael Cohen in a black suit and a fresh haircut. Clearly something changed in the way they understood how this thing was going down. Emily is reporting there had been like a hope or desire that there would be a gigantic interview. And it ended up being this weird off camera thing they could run quotes thing. Nobody knows why he did it. Maybe he was sneaking around on his lawyer when he did it. Not a good way to begin if you are sneaking around on your new lawyer. I know. Well, Michael Cohens relationship with donald trump is coming to an end, a hard and final end. That is the most Important News in georges report. In his strange interview with Michael Cohen. Michael cohen used to like to call himself Donald Trumps fixer and has already been reported Michael Cohen is changing lawyers. It is a very important part of the story, changing lawyers. It seemed like Michael Cohens new lawyer was already in charge of Michael Cohens defense but apparent apparentlily, he has not taken full control of the cohen case from the lawyers who precede him. Which brings us to the most important part of the report of the interview with Michael Cohen, which was not on video and which was presented in writing at abcnews. Com. The most important thing in that report is not anything that Michael Cohen is quoted as saying. It is not Michael Cohens words. The most important line is this once petrillo fully assumes his role, a joint Defense Agreement cohen shared with the president , which allowed their lawyers to share information and documents with each other will come to an end, abc news has learned. If that happens, that will be the bitter end of the Michael Cohendonald trump relationship. And it will mean that donald trump has even more reason to fear Michael Cohen. The rest of the report is Michael Cohen saying perfectly normal things that make sense. But for Michael Cohen, that itself is unusual. Michael cohen used to say that he was, quote, the guy who would take a bullet for donald trump. Now hes saying my wife, my daughter and my son have my first loyalty and always is. And there is no husband or father in the world who should think any differently. But Michael Cohen had that same wife and that same daughter and that same son when he said that he would take a bullet for donald trump and leave his wife a widow and leave his children without a father. So of course Michael Cohen would not have taken a bullet for donald trump. He was full of crazy, lying bravado during his time with donald trump. When asked what his goal is now, he gave a one word answer resolution. The quickest way to resolve a legal battle with the fbi and federal prosecutors when you are charged with a crime is of course to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors. In the last line of the report, Michael Cohen said i want to regain my name and my reputation and my life back. In other words, Michael Cohen does not go to prison. He wants his life back. If his lawyer advises him to tell the fbi and prosecutors everything he knows about donald trump he will do that. He said i will defer to my new counsel for guidance. It seems Michael Cohen has a different story to tell now about the plans he arranged to Stormy Daniels to prevent her from speaking about donald trump. In the past it was said donald trump knew nothing about it. Michael cohen said i want to answer. One day i will answer. But for now i cant comment further on advice of my counsel. It seems that Michael Cohen reached for every way he could possibly find to disagree with President Trump. Cohen said i dont agree with those who demonize and villify the fbi. I respect the fbi as an institution, as well as their agents. When they searched my hotel room and my home, it was upsetting to me. As they left, we shook hands. After that image of Michael Cohen shaking hands with the fbi agents who raided his home, he said i dont like the term witch hunt and then said something more president ial than anything President Trump has ever actually said about russian interference in our election. He said as an american i remediate any foreign governments attempt to interfere in our government process and i would call on all americans to do the same. I respect our nations Intelligence Agency unanimous conclusions, which is something President Trump has never said. Michael cohen refused to answer the question, did donald trump know about the meeting at trump tower with russians during the president ial campaign that included donald trump jr. , Paul Manafort . Michael cohen said i believe it was a mistake by those from the Trump Campaign who did participate. When Michael Cohen was asked if he had any regrets, he did not say no, i have no regrets. Instead he said, as an attorney and as an employee, i tried to make good faith judgments in the past. I also acknowledge that i am not perfect. I would prefer not to be in this situation at all, obviously. And of course donald trump would prefer Michael Cohen not to be in this situation obviously. Leading off our discussion now, a former federal prosecutor, a professor of law at the university of michigan. They are both msnbc contributors. Okay, counselors. Lets start with you, jill. Explain to me why a well advised client in a situation like this, well advised by good attorneys would do an interview like this. There is absolutely not one reason that i can think of for him to have done that interview. If he was trying to reach out to the prosecutors, there is a much better way to do it, which is to have your lawyer go to the prosecutors and say i would like to make a proffer. Here is what my client will say. Here is what we can tell you. He wants to cooperate. That would be the way to do that. If he wanted to reach out to the president , he surely has better ways than going on television and taking positions that are contrary to what the president has said. As you have pointed out, he said the fbi was perfectly fine in coming into my home. They were respectful, as opposed to the president who said it was a terrible thing they had done in seizing his documents and invading his office. So this was not a good way to reach out to the president. If he wants the president to pay his legal fees or if he wants a pardon, this is not the way to get it. I dont see how a pardon will help the president. So there is no motivation for the president to grant it. If he gives a pardon, we still have the ability for cohen to testify. In fact, he would have no fifth amendment rights, so he couldnt even avoid testifying, which he could if hes still under indictment or if he is ever under indictment. Barbara, your reading of this because when jill says it is not a good way to reach out to the president , one of the problems is, there is no good way to reach out to the president. A lawyer would advise Michael Cohen not to try to reach out to the president in any way and in Michael Cohens mind, when he hears that, if he is trying to communicate something to the president , he might think this is the only way. Yeah. I dont think hes trying to communicate to the president. As jill said, the things he said were actually contrary to the opinions that President Trump has expressed. I think he is trying to rehabilitate his own reputation. Criminal defendants express that the waiting is the hardest part. I think Michael Cohen just cant stand sitting around waiting and doing nothing and wants to be proactive, so took the bait here and spoke on tv, which agree with jill, is just a terrible idea. Prosecutors are not ready to talk to him yet. Even if he wants to cooperate, they are likely putting him off until they get their arms around all of those search materials. Because of the rule to review for privilege, the prosecutors have not had a chance to see all the materials that came out and until they see that, they are not in a position to confront him with documents or to assess his culpability and to even test the veracity of what hes saying. I think they are putting him off, and i think its driving him crazy, which is why he feels the need to speak. Lets get to this technical point, which i thought was the important line in this report. Once he fully assumes his role, a joint Defense Agreement cohen shared with the president will come to an end. Jill, two things, why hasnt it come to an end already . And what do you make of that phrase once he fully assumes his role . Well, i think that petrillo has probably given some advice already to cohen. And in terms of the joint Defense Agreement, it may or may not have ever existed. It seems like it did. But there is also been some communication today that suggests that what was going on now had to do with the search warrant and that pursuant to that the documents went from the federal prosecutors to cohen and his lawyers, for them to review, to make initial claims. But since his principal client was donald trump, he was also instructed to share any with donald trump that he thought were privileged. Now, presumably he wouldnt have shared any that were from shawn hannitys representation. He would have only shared those that pertained to attorneyclient privilege with the president. So if that was the case, then that is ended because the search warrant has been executed and the documents reviewed. Barbara, is there any reason for guy to be hanging back, waiting for this evidentiary evaluation to be completed on exactly what will be admissible evidence and what will be protected by attorneyclient privilege . I dont know. I dont know the scope of the relationship, but it sounds like the original lawyers were retained for the purpose of getting through this search and that guy petrillo will come in for the next phase. Cohens choice of him seems wise in light of the fact that thats the adversary hes dealing with. But it also suggests to me that Michael Cohen is not looking for a scorched earth defense. Sometimes you choose a lawyer who is going to play hardball and push everything to the max. And sometimes you find a lawyer who maybe has relationships with the lawyers in the office who might be a better choice if you are going to go down a path of cooperation. And, so, it seems like thats a possibility in the choice of lawyer there. Once they are at that stage of dealing with the documents and ready to go forward with cooperation, he would be well positioned to handle that. Thank you both for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. And coming up next, people on twitter havent figured it out yet, but the democrats in the senate know they do not have any secret, tricky parliamentary procedure that they can use to stop a Supreme Court nominee who has enough republican votes to be confirmed. And later, what is the easiest question you can think of asking in a White House Briefing . How about what is the trump policy on the southern border . Why couldnt the Trump White House answer that question today . Youre headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of nowhere. You do, too, but not in time. Hey, no big deal. Youve got a good record and Liberty Mutual wont hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. You hear that, karen . Liberty mutual doesnt hold grudges. 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Two other federal Court Appeals judges the president will meet is Thomas Hardman and William Prior jr. First, they have generally demonstrated the legal skills and scholarship that meet the basic standards of a Supreme Court justice. And more importantly they have all already been confirmed by the United States senate and all of these judges were appointed by republican president s and most of them attracted some democratic votes in the confirmation process. In fact, only one of them got no democratic votes. According to past confirmation preceden precedence, the next two month wills be a rush to confirm a Supreme Court nominee with a simultaneous desperate rush to try to block a Supreme Court nominee by democrats in the senate. For the past 15 Supreme Court nominees, which takes us back all the way to 1975, the average number of days between being nominated and having a hearing is 40 days. The average number of days between being nominated and having a confirmation vote on the senate floor is 66 days. That means with the president planning to nominate a candidate next monday, july 9th, the confirmation hearing would probably be on or about monday, august 20th, with a final vote on the senate floor on or about thursday, september 13th. Now, contrary to popular belief, on twitter and elsewhere outside of the United States senate, this will not be a confirmation process in which the democratic minority in the senate has any parliamentary procedural power or trick that they could use to stop this nomination. Among more credible sounding misconceptions was the idea that the democrats could, quote, exploit the senates unanimous consent structure to grind the senate to a halt. That was suggested by the president of the california state senate, a democrat, who is running for the United States senate against californias senior democratic senator dianne feinstein. He is certainly an expert on Parliament Procedure in the california senate. But they have nothing to do with the confirmation process of a Supreme Court justice. Mitch mcconnell has the parliamentary right to bring the nomination to the senate floor any time he wants to. And senator mcconnell will then ask for unanimous consent to proceed to consideration of the nomination. The democrats will of course refuse to give unanimous consent. And then senator mcconnell will call for a roll call vote to proceed to the nomination. And the president s will then vote to proceed to that nomination. And the elapsed time between the denial of unanimous consent and that roll call vote to proceed will be a matter of seconds. The senate will not be ground to a halt. Democrats in the Senate Already know all of this. And their supports around the country should soon be realizing that there is no trick on the senate floor that they can pull, that the only way to stop the next Supreme Court confirmation is with republican votes against the nomination, which is why there is now so much tension on republican senator, Suzanne Collins of maine, one of the two republican senator who is is prochoice and wants to preserve access to abortion under row v. Wade. He said this yesterday. A nominees position on whether or not they respect precedent will tell me a lot about whether or not they would overturn row v. Wade. A candidate who would over turn it would not be acceptable to me because that would indicate an activist agenda that i dont want to see a judge have. Joining us jason and paul. Both are msnbc political analysts. The short list is out, and there is one woman on it at this point. There has been talk that a woman nominee might be the way to go. And that might help hold on to Suzanne Collins and lisa, the only two prochoice republican members of senate. I guess, if they think voting for a woman will have an ideological difference. Go back 20 years to clarns thomas. At the end of the day, i think senator collins is lying because every single nominee that the president is going to pick, whether it is a man, whether a woman, indian american, africanamerican, is going to want to end roe v. Wade at some level. Either she needs to make a commitment now and say i cant vote for anybody while this president is office because i know what theyre going to want to do or see should say i want to get in line with the rest of my party. Because thats the reality were facing. Even if it is a woman, they will still vote to end roe v. Wade. And Susan Collins seems confident even with a new justice that wants to repeal roe v. Wade, it wont happen. She seems to have a real fath that chief Justice Roberts wont. Lets listen to what she said. Justice roberts has made very clear that he considers roe v. Wade to be settled law. I would not support a nominee who demonstrated hostility to roe v. Wade because that would mean their judicial philosophy did not include a respect for established decisions, established law. So, sam, that translates into what at the white house . What do they have to do to get Susan Collins vote . That was the more important clip because what it says is if you are trying to push a nominee through the senate, you have to adopt, and it is on her play book, the gorsichroberts play book. Say you respect precedent. And then dont give one inking or indication of how you would vote by saying you cant prejudge these matters. It is a very simple play book, actually. It does not translate into roe v. Wade being secure in the slightest. These people have not been offered the opportunity to take a whack at roe v. Wade from a judicial perspective. We dont know how they would vote. You could chip away at it. But one of the things that is striking to me is that we are told time and time again by conservative legal scholars that it is flimsy legally and morally rep prehenceable. But how dare you assume they would do away with it when granted power. Those two things dont compute. The federal society put together the list of people who donald trump is choosing from. It goes to a reason that they would choose people who would also get rid of roe v. Wade. Washington post is reporting that the president is especially drawn to contenders with name brand degrees such as from ivy league universities, which makes him like every president before him. He wants to see a portfolio of solid academic writing, and then there is the trump part. Trump does not care to actually read it. He simply wants to know that it exists. And actually, to be fair, that may be true of most president s also, jason johnson. Yacheah. I really doubt donald trump is up late at night reading law reviews. Hes not doing that, right . I cant imagine these 45 minute conversations hes having with these nominees are particularly engaging either. Everybody knows they will play the pantomime here. Donald trump will meet these people. As long as they dont personally offend him, hes going to meet him. They will be as milk toast as they can so they can get this opportunity. 66 days, gentlemen. We will be on this for 66 days, according to the past precedent. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Up next, where are the babies . Where are the children . Where are the parents . And what is the trump policy on the southern border . The Trump Administration is not giving answers to any of those questions. Ght i married an ital my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. Through ancestry, through dna i found out that i was only 16 italian. He was 34 eastern european. So i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian was eastern european. 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Every time that i was in contact with her, she cried, saying that she missed me, baa she didnt want to be there. She just wanted to see her little brother, her dad and me. That was the most painful thing. And joining us from miami, did she tell you about, the little girl, tell you about the conditions she was being held in . She told me that she felt ill for the larger part of the time that she was held. She was able to speak to her mother on the phone. This child was kept in a Government Agency in michigan. The dad was prosecuted and was put in jail in atlanta. The mother here in miami. So this was a family scattered due to this policy. And mind you, the little girl, her first language isnt even spanish. She speaks an indigenous guatemala language. The trauma that this separation, twomonth separation is going to leave, they told me it is wounds that will take a long time to heal, if at all. When the health and human Services Department was more forthcoming with numbers and we never knew how accurate they were, there was a point there when they were reporting one unification per day. You are trying to find these reunification examples to bring to us. There is all sorts of reporters all over the country who are trying to find them. You are not finding a lot. No, lawrence. They are the exception. They are few and far between. I have been on the ground in texas, in san antonio. I have been in arizona. I was in los angeles talking to large immigrant rights organizations. And they tell me that the roadblocks should not be insurmountable for the u. S. Federal government, but that they are making it extremely hard for these families and for the grass roots organizations as well. Im talking to a mother from the Migrant Caravan that came from Central America that i was embedded with. Her name is maria. Because she came with the caravan she was seeking asylum at a port of entry. She has her seven year old and a two year old in new york. She is in washington, d. C. Theyre demanding that she turn in dna paperwork. Weve seen reporting where in some instances they want to do home visits to see who the child is going to be released to. Obviously, you you want to be careful who you are giving a child to. But at the same time, they are undocumented immigrants who are probably going to be the relatives welcoming this child. So they are making it very hard. There is a lot of fear in the community, and we have to remember going back to that video at Miami International airport. At the center of all this is children. Little kids who are traumatized and who want to be put back together with their parents. Lawrence . Your reporting has been invaluable to our coverage of this story. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. 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And this woman was kept in what immigration officials called a cold box for seven days because one of her daughters has an ear infection and the other had the flu. They were told the Border Patrol uses the cold boxes to kill germs. Joining our discussion now ashton taylor, a premed student at the university of texas who has been volunteering at the border at a center that helps migrants who have been released by u. S. Border patrol processing in texas. Can you tell us more about what you saw there and especially in terms of medical issues . Hello, lawrence. Thank you. As far as medical issues, when were seeing immigrants coming from these Detention Centers, its pretty atrocious from a humanitarian perspective and a personal perspective. Most everybody coming out of these Detention Centers and into the Respite Center have fevers, they are dehydrated. A lot of them have easily preventable diseases, flu, cough, cold, bacterial infections, things that are rampid when you have close quarters and under the conditions they are kept, which extreme cold, insufficient hydration, insufficient sanitation. Ashton, this story about the cold box being an idea that the border officials are using to kill germs, where did they get that idea . Lawrence, i have no idea. And thats what i find particularly disturbing, is that officials seem to be assuring everybody that these people are adequately cared for and given medical attention. But as far as i know, i dont see any medical basis at all for keeping people in cold rooms. As it was reported to me directly in the Clinic Office by people who came through, by immigrants that came out of the cold boxes, they were kept in there if they showed any sign of illness. These are concrete walls, floors and ceilings and maybe temperatures of 50 to 60 degrees. These people dont have layers on. They have everything taken off of them. Theyre stripped down to the barest layers of pants and shirt or shorts and shirt. If theyre lucky, they may have been given a change of clothes. If you can imagine, you know, being in these freezing cold conditions, what does it do as far as a Health Perspective . It is hard to believe this government has a department called health and Human Services and no one from that department concerned with health has communicated to these people in criminal the initial custody that there is something kind of 18th century about the idea that cold is going to kill those germs. Right. It is absolutely barbaric. And i dont see any scientific basis in it. It contra indicates the notion or the statement that there is any sufficient medical attention there at all because i believe if there were sufficient medical attention, if there were a sufficient amount of competent physicians there, this wouldnt be a practice in place. I want to get to your motivation of why you decided to take yourself down there as a volunteer and get involved . Lawrence, my motivation for being there was from a personal perspective. Its one thing to hear everything that you hear in the media and see pictures and things that can be easily distorted. But this isnt an issue of partisan politics. This is an issue of humanity. And i think the biggest thing that i can stress is that people need to see eyes themselves. They need to lay eyes on this situation, and thats exactly what i went down there to do. I went to assess what was going on and help in any way i could. Ashton taylor, thank you very much for joining us. I really appreciate it. Coming up, what the mothers of antoine rose and james boden have in common 40 years apart. It is expressed in a poem read last week at antoine roses funeral. We the people challenged him in court and in the streets. Then trump was forced to admit that his policy was wrong. And he caved. 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Criminal prosecution is the rarest possible outcome for Police Officers who kill unarmed black men who rose no threat to anyone. I have been studying this tragic subject for decades. The first article i ever publiced was a news piece in 1979 about police use of deadly force. That was the first time that the New York Times ever printed anything indicating that there was a problem with police use of deadly force. The first killing of an unarmed blackman by police that i read about and then investigated myself was the 1975 killing of james boden. He was a 25yearold husband and father of a 4yearold daughter and sixmonthold son. He had a steady job as a maintenance worker. Two Police Officers stopped his car, because like the car antoine rose was riding in, james bodens car resemied a car used in a crime earlier that day. He was shot in the back. Names bodens widow came to my father for help. He was a lawyer. My father was a former boston Police Officer himself. My father filed a civil rights wrongful death lawsuit against the Boston Police in federal court. His fight with Old Police Department was long and intense and bitter and deeply personal. I did my own investigation of the case and spoke to even more boston Police Officers than my father was able to crossexamine in court, and i reported it all in my first book, deadly force, which was First Published in 1983 and now been republished in paperback which links the killings to antoine rose. Facing an allwhite jury in federal court in boston in 1980, my father won the case, proving that james bowdens civil rights were violated. The city of boston appealed the case, went all the way to the United States Supreme Court before going to trial for the second time. And with another allwhite jury, my father won that case again. And i dont think anyone else could have done that in those days when no one was paying attention to police use of deadly force, no one outside the black communities where people knew police use of force was a deadly serious problem. It took everything that my father knew about being a cop as an excop himself and a lawyer to fight his Old Police Department and win. And the police threw everything in our way that they could, because our whole family was involved in this fight. Today its even more remarkable to think that my father was able to win that case, win justice for james bowdens family without any video of what happened. We have a video of what happened to antoine rose in East Pittsburgh. So we know that antoine rose was shot in the back while he was unarmed, running away from the Police Officer. And that video is the reason the officer who killed antoine rose is facing criminal charges tonight. Here is that very disturbing video of what happened to antoine rose when he was unarmed and threatening no one. [ gunshots ] why are they shooting at him . Get down. No. Im recording this. Why are they shooting . All he did was run and theyre shooting at them. Video changes everything. 35 years ago when i began collecting Police Reports in cases like this, when unarmed men, usually black were shot in the back while running away from Police Officers, the Police Reports repeatedly included this phrase, usually word for word, he turned in a threatening manner as if to shoot. Thats all the Police Officers needed to justify the shooting, even if the fleeing suspect turned out to be unarmed. He turned in a threatening manner as if to shoot. And prosecutors knew what was going on. They were in on it in those days. They never looked at these cases, no matter what eyewitnesses said the Police Officers did. But video changed everything. And so now, thanks to video, some Police Officers are being prosecuted for very bad shootings. And some individual Police Departments have actually really improved. And boston im very glad the say is one of them. Bostons Police Commissioner bill evans is one of the very best Police Leaders in this country. But thats not much consolation for people who still suffer from unjustifiable police use of deadly force. Over 40 years after james bowden was shot in the back by boston Police Officers when he was unarmed and posed no threat to them, antoine rose was shot in the back when he was unarmed and posed no threat to a Police Officer. Two years ago, antoine rose wrote a poem in his sophomore honors english course in high school. His friends read the poem at his funeral. The poem is about mothers and sons. Mothers like james bowdens mother and antoine roses mother who lost their sons over 40 years apart to the same thing, Police Bullets in the back. 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According to reports, former new york city mayor Michael Bloomberg is considering a president ial run in 2020, making him the richest person to seek the position. I said making him the richest person to seek the position. According to the New York Times, former White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer is developing a talk show. Its called late night with such liars. Seth meyers gets tonights last word. And coming up, a former colleague of Michael Cohens new defense attorney will join brian in the 11th hour with Brian Williams which starts now. Tonight, former trump attorney Michael Cohen says his family and his country come first, with someone close to cohen telling vanity fair tonight this was about getting his voice heard before its too late. Plus, the reality show president teases he had a very, very interesting morning. The latest reporting tonight on his Supreme Court pick, one week ahead of the announcement. 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