Priebus in the chief of staff spot. Many believed that john kelly would put an end to the chaos in the white house because john kelly would be the socalled adult in the room. One believer in john kelly mythology as the savior of the Trump White House is john kelly himself who actually recently said this on npr. In retro specific i wish i had been here since day one. The First Six Months were pretty chaotic and people hired that maybe shouldnt have been hired. Its not that things were a disaster that First Six Months but i believe they could have been better. So john kelly now says when Reince Priebus was white house chief of staff that First Six Months was pretty chaotic. Those were his words. It turns out that the only thing in president ial history more chaotic than the six months of the president ial history is the john kelly period as chief of staff. Heres a sample of what happened in john kellys white house. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson called the president a moron in a private meeting and those words were leak and became public. Donald trump campaigned for an alleged child molester in a senate race in alabama. He called nazis and White Supremacists good people with john kelly in the room watching from the sidelines. John kelly did nothing to stop the president from nominating his personal physician, Ronny Jackson to be director of veterans affairs. John kelly made the rob porter scandal much worse by protecting him for days after his former wives accused him of abuse. And, of course, who could ever forget john kelly getting caught in an angry lie about president obama and a black congressman fred rica wilson, lies for which john kelly has never apologized. The congresswoman stood up and in the long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise stood up there in all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building. And how she took care of her consistents because she got the money and she called up president obama and he gave her the 20 million to build the building. She sat down and we were stunned. Stunned that she had done it. Even for someone that is that empty a barrel we were stunned. Joining our discussion now joy reed, the host of a. M. Joy weekend mornings on msnbc and jonathan kapart an msnbc contributor. Every word he said was untrue and he has, to this day, never had the decency to apologize. Lets not forget he went after congresswoman wilson in her defense of a fallen soldier, she was trying to advocate for her constituents and find out how he died. And john kelly also dismissed the family, who were called liars by the president. And john kelly whose son died in war never defended the family. Lets not forget john kelly was there from the beginning he was Homeland Security director during the travel plan which he found out belatedly but was fine with. He was running ice. At least Reince Priebus didnt do interviews in which he displayed a lack of knowledge of the civil war, makes himself the story, defended a beater. We might look back at Reince Priebus as the golden era of the trump administration. I have in terms of Trump White House chiefs of staffs it seems one is better than the other. I cant see whats better about john kellys run than Reince Priebuss run. No. Its a low bar here. Reince priebus set the lowest bar ever and john kelly couldnt get over it. I was one of those members of the media when john kelly was made chief of staff who wrote a piece saying here comes the general, hes going to bring order to the chaos in the west wing however i thought that was perfectly reasonable optimism. This guy does know something one thought about organization and chain of command. Right. Also in that piece i said his firing of Anthony Scaramucci will probably be the high point of his tenure. I was hoping id be wrong. Im not wrong. It was the high point of his tenure. The montage that you showed is just it boggles the mind that a person who is supposed to be when it comes to the white house and oval office the second most powerful person in the building and even he, a former general, cannot bring control to that complex, and we all know the reason why, no matter who the chief of staff is, the president is the problem. He has been the problem. He is the problem. He will be the problem. So anyone who takes a job in that administration, particularly in the west wing, better know that before they even take the job. What strikes me about john kelly is he is the same kind of problem that the president is. Right. We just showed videotape of john kelly lying word for word about a member of congress. We cant show you that videotape about anyone else whos ever worked in the white house. Theres no one else we can show you, heres the day that the white house chief of staff, under any president , got up and lyingly insulted a member of congress. And did it the same way donald trump would. John kelly is donald trump with bars on his chest. He has the attitude about immigrants. And women are supposed to be sacred but not to me john kelly when im discussing one whos a member of congress. Not apologizing. He isnt that much more disciplined than donald trump so he cant reign in those aspects of Donald Trumps nature because he shares his ideological predilections. Maybe trump respects him more than Reince Priebus. But he respects everyone more than he respected Reince Priebus. I dont know if that is an improvement. He did fire omarosa but she almost stormed the residence. So i dont know if he did that well. Michael wolff said in his book they all have a name for donald trump, Rex Tillerson calls him idiot. And john kelly is in the idiot camp. At least according to the leaks he was supposed to have prevented. So nbc reported that john kelly thinks of himself as the lone bulwark against catastrophe and he has referred to trump as an idiot multiple times to under score his point. And jonathan, the clock has to start ticking as soon as donald trump reads somewhere what you call him. Its amazing that Rex Tillerson lasted as long as he did after the moron quote got out. But john kelly is now carrying around that idiot quote and donald trump knows it. Right. But hes still there. He is still there. And in that quote that you just read, i kept thinking of brownie. Remember heck of a job brownie, heck of a job kelly. Hes supposed to bring order to all of this. And i just it makes me wonder, if john kelly were to leave because when i interviewed Michael Wolff on wnyc, he told me then that this was january, that he wasnt sure how long kelly was going to last. And that was before that came out. So if kelly goes, who on earth is he going to get to take over the job . We all know that the president has said that hes not maybe i dont need a chief of staff. Quite frankly, he doesnt need a chief of staff because hes not going to listen to that person anyway. We saw the director of communications, hope hicks go and not be replaced. So this could be the white house without the white house chief of staff at some point. Donald trump doesnt need a chief of staff he has his insecure phone he can call sean hannity, apparently sean hannity is his chief of staff. The more you try to reign in him and discipline, he doesnt like you. He gets like a toddler that gets mad. You tell him to sit down he gets mad. He gets angry with the people who discipline him. So the best bet as chief of staff is let him to do what he wants, so youre not necessary. Do what he wants is the john kelly motto now. Im not sure on the first day but it seems to have become his motto for a long time now. That presumes that john kelly has some control. I dont think he has any control. Hes not letting the president do anything. The president is just doing it. I go back to my little rule of thumb when it comes to this white house. I do not think of the Trump White House or as a presidency. I think of it as a crime family. Like in the god father he is the godfather. When you think of it that way, it makes sense that he wouldnt replace a communications director. Doesnt listen to his chief of staff and probably wont replace the chief of staff. Every decision that is made has nothing to do with the United States, the presidency, the institution of the presidency. It has everything to do with how does this make me look in terms of the ratings, is this popular with my base . Is this good for me . So, because of that, are we is anyone surprised that this meeting with kim jongun might not happen . Im not. We will find out. Joy and jonathan, thank you both for joining us. Thanks, lawrence. 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President trump complains that Robert Muellers investigation is a witch hunt, but as of tonight, one person is in prison, there are five guilty pleas so far, and 19 people and three companies have been charged. Friday, february 16th, was a big day in the investigation, the special counsel announced the indictments of 13 russians and three Russian Companies for interfering in the 2016 election. The next day President Trump turned to twitter to attack the investigators, the democrats, and the media. There wasnt a negative word aimed at russia or Vladimir Putin. That bothered New York Times columnist Thomas Freedman so much he gave up his weekend and began work on a column that was posted immediately. Freedman said it was one of the most widely circulated columns win. He joined us and it was one of our most watched segments. Our democracy is in danger. It almost became immediately the most viewed article on the New York Times website. Tom fredman was not scheduled to publish a column sunday night but at the end of an extraordinary weekend of president ial misbehavior, tom freedman found himself compelled to say something. Its one of the New York Times nonpartisan columns and one of the most struckive in the history of New York Times columns. He travels the world trying to translate everything thats happening into concepts that readers need to know. You might not agree with everything you read in the columns but youll always learn something important in the freedman columns. Theyre a continuing nonpartisan search for the worlds best ideas. That is a search that is usually optimistic in the freedman view. And those columns are read closely by leaders around the world but it is entirely possible that the president of the United States has never read a tom freedman column. He sounds like someone who has never read a tom freedman column, but if he reads just one, we should all hope its this one, which ends this way. This is code red. The biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the oval office. And joining us now tom freedman, Pulitzer Prize winning column. My internal clock told me, this is out of sequence. Hes not scheduled to write right now, is he . This isnt his day. Tell us why you were moved to do this one. Lawrence, it was it was the holiday, and i picked up the paper like everybody else and saw that Robert Mueller had indicted 13 russians and several russian organizations for basically intervening in our last election. Both to poison our politics and to tilt the election toward donald trump. And i waited to see what the president would have to say about this. And he had nothing to say about it. And that struck me as not only appalling but actually frightening. Because up till now donald trump has violated the norms we expect in a president , his tweeting, his lying. His general way he speaks about people, his diminishing of others in different countries. Hes violated the norms of the presidency. But when the president of the United States does not react to a clear and present danger hes violating his oath of office. Then he is not defending protecting and defending the constitution and the country. That struck me, as i said, not only as appalling but extremely dangerous and it needed to be called out. I think judging from the reaction of readers a lot of people felt exactly that. I want to read something the president tweeted this morning, he said i have been much tougher on russia that obama, just look at the facts, total fact news. Whats your reaction to that tweet . Its probably lie number 2,342. The fact is the Congress Imposed sanctions that he has not impose. What would actually what would it look like, i think we have to step back and say what would a real president do in this situation . Hed do three things remember, this came after a week of our three leading intelligence agencies, the head of the fbi, cia, and nsa, all testifying to congress that not only did russia intervene in our election but they were still doing it and planned to do it in the next round of elections. And when asked the fbi director what had the president instructed him to do therefore he said nothing. So what would it look like if we had a real president , not someone running the Trump Organization and seems to moonlight as someone running the United States. First of all a real president would give a speech to the country, explaining the problem to the people in a way that would be compelling and illuminating to people so they understand the threat. Secondly he would call together the stateholders, the social networks, the people who run our federal elections, leaders of the two parties and basically lay out a plan of defense for how we are going to prevent this intervention in the future. And the third thing he would do is call in his National Security team and lay out an offense. Why are we sitting here every day reading about russian intervention in our election. How putin is basically using lies to divide us and poison our democracy. Why are we not selling the truth about him, all the money hes stolen, the people hes basically made disappear from russian politics. Why are we not using the truth to undermine his awe a kra superintendent while he is using lies and poison to undermine our democracy. Thats what a real president would look like. Donald trump did none of these. It is appalling. He should be ashamed of himself. Tom, i always look to friedman columns for something hard for me to find in my own view of things and that is at least a glimmer of optimism. Im very bad at finding that when i look at things. And this is the friedman column i would say i cant find the optimism. I dont think its in this column, but do you see something here for which we can be optimistic or can hope to be optimistic . No, i dont. Many readers pointed this out, it was a space issue, why am i the one raising this . Why are you the one raising this . Wheres the Republican Party . Where is his own party which claimed to be the daddy party, the National Security party, the adults in the room, that not a one of them has come out, none of their leadership and basically called the president out on this . Thats disgusting. And its deeply troubling. I wish i could find a glimmer of hope in this. An israeli general once said to me, tom i know why youre an optimist. Its because youre short. Why . Im not that short. Its because you can only see the glass thats half full. Thats usually the case but this time i cannot see any of the glass half full. We have a president thats either compromised by russia or is such a towering fool he actually believes what he told us he believes that he asked Vladimir Putin if he did this and putin told him no and he believes him. That is the president who said hes done more than barack obama . Tom friedman thank you for much for joining us to expand on your column at this extraordinary point in our history. Cant thank you enough. Thank you, tom. Thank you, lawrence. Up next obviously my favorite part of every work day is when i get to chat with rachel. And our highlight reel of all of that is coming up after the break. And later my reaction to President Trumps endless, amazing, phone interview with fox friends. We came here for the friends. And we got to know the friends of our friends. Then our old friends from middle school, our mom, our ex and our boss joined forces to wish us happy birthday. Then we discovered our uncle use to play in a band. And realized he was young once too. 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That does it for us tonight well see you again tomorrow now its time for the last word with Lawrence Odonnell good evening, lawrence. Good evening, lawrence. Happy new year. Good evening, rachel. As you can see, and i think you know, when a guy takes too many days off from work, this beard thing happens. I am 98 in favor of the beard but 2 curious as to how it would look if it was just here. Just the mustache to the jaw line. Rachel, you are never going to know. As you can see the beard is gone. I know you voted for the beard but let me tell you, the voters voting against it, frequently used two words that were very disturbing to me. One of those words was older. It was very disturbing. And the other more disturbing was the word bannon. Oh so norma. This should be a norma, when you think of all the countries in the world. Nam bee ya. Its norma. Whats wrong with a norma. And Norm Mcdonald should be the Prime Minister of norma. Secretary of health of human services, chief of staff, deputy chief of staff. When we talk about tv talking heads, most of us expect to see the talking side of the head. When were looking at our tvs. Instead, we get that beautiful thick head of hair back there. Its we have this list, i have to make sure i get it. I get it completely. At some point we come to the natural end of the cycle because fox news is a Big Organization but they only employ so many people. Once they get through the interns theyll have to recycle through people for a second time or find a new strategy to bring people in. At this rate that will be by the next Christmas Party at the white house. Thanks, lawrence. Thank you, rachel. Thinking about a little bit the president and the porn star story but havent even mentioned it on this show. And then listening to your analysis of it you raised a point i hadnt considered which is this very important point about who paid the money. I put on a nose bag and glasses with those little aviator sides on it, no distractions. Youve read more of the story than i have. I dont want to talk about it. Its all the people who donald trump has found the time to attack. And Stormy Daniels name is not up there. Another name not up there rachel maddow. Thats okay. The Stormy Daniels of msnbc. Apparently thats what it means if he hasnt attacked you. Hes so afraid of you, he doesnt want people to know you exist. Also there was that shark week thing between us. Thats exactly right. Donald trump said by the way, and i really thank him for this, he said infrastructure is sexy to him. I might put the word sexy on the wall behind me. Its infrastructure day, its the only day i can do it. You can only do it on infrastructure day. Thank you, lawrence. Goodbye. Tomorrow it is, it will be my first ever New York Times crossword. The word congratulations doesnt sound big enough for this moment. This is just extraordinary. This is history making. I couldnt be more thrilled for you. Thank you very much. Im a childless, middle aged pot belliless bee jann, i dont have much to be excited about, this is it. Therell never be a baby but theres this crossword puzzle and im excited about it. This is the day well all remember where we were when we heard sam noneberg speaking to ari melber. Roger and i were treated like crap by donald trump. Its the thing youre watching, and youre engrossed and you look up and several hours have passed and the lights arent on. And you understood less. Im not going to jail. Exactly. It was bizarre. Youre in on my secret that my workday does not begin at 8 00 a. M. But today it did. Our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff not the nonsense of collusion with russia. We could talk with you all day but you have a million things to do. I know youre neither an early riser or a drinker but part of me imagines you in a bathrobe with a glass of wine. Rudy giuliani went on fox news and stayed so longer than he should have because thats when he got to the Stormy Daniels admission. Funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. Oh, i didnt know. He did . Yes. This is a weird time. This does feel to me in the movie the plot is over. We know what happened, bad guys got caught. We have transparency now. We get how it ends. Usually in the movie were getting ready for the credits. At this point i think the credits are a long way off. Good evening, lawrence. Good evening, rachel. Im reading the end because i want to see how the investigation turns out. So toward the end of this book james comey says i am writing at a great time of anxiety in my country but also believe america is going to be fine. So theres that. Sleep tight, everybody. Someone believes america is going to be fine. Someone who knows an awful lot about where america is right now. We all have a part in making sure thats true. Thank you, rachel. Thank you, rachel. Thank you, rachel. Thanks, lawrence. As you heard from rachel, the day of President Trumps interview on fox friends she said she couldnt wait to see what we would do with it here on the last word. Well show you our coverage of that bizarre morning next. Man 1 this is my body of proof. Woman 1 proof of less joint pain. Woman 2 . And clearer skin. Woman 3 this is my body of proof. Man 2 proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis. Woman 4 . With humira. Woman 5 humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. Its proven to help relieve pain, stop further irreversible joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. Humira is the 1 prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. Avo humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. 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Were running out of time. We are running out of time. That was a fox news host trying to rush the president of the United States off the air. Weve never seen any president pushed off the air in many a live tv interview like that. And that was just one of the remarkable moments from that interview that we discussed on the last word the day that that interview happened. Okay. Im going to do something tonight i have never done before, might never do again, i am going to recommend strongly recommend that you watch, in its entirety, all 31 minutes of donald trump on fox friends because clips of this cannot do it justice. Ive never before recommended watching anything on fox news but donald trump spent 31 minutes this morning building his wall. You can watch him build it. And appointment not the wall that he talked about in the campaign. It is a wall of madness that he is building around himself. And the tenth minute of watching it is deeply disorienting. Its like nothing youve ever seen. But the 20th minute the 20th minute is more than twice as bad. And the 25th minute feels like an explosion point, which is why fox news tried to shut down the interview repeatedly beginning at that 25th minute. So find it on line, you tube, the fox news website, wherever it is, and treat yourself to something historians will watch 50 years from now, because it is one of the best views yet into the workings of whats left in the mind of the president of the United States. Here is a sample. Just beginning with Donald Trumps ten thousandth discussion of his Electoral College election. Remember we won the election. We won it easily. They talk about e loek to recall college. Its an election based on the Electoral College. Its as though youre a runner practicing for the 100 yard dash opposed to to the mile. The Electoral College is different. I would rather have the popular vote, to me its easier to win. But we have an Electoral College i got 326. There was no way to break 220. I heard that for so long, cnn, but i heard that for so long. There is no way so what theyre trying to do is suppress the vote. Everyone goes home and says, you know, i really like donald trump but ive watched on the news they dont know its fake news ive taught them its fake news. I watched on the news he cant win so lets go to a movie and come out youll find out in the midterms whether they go with the darling home or to the movies. If you know what theyre talking about on the darling and the movie youre better than i am. I dont know the woman in the middle there, i dont think she has the vaguest idea what theyre talking about. Shes the most worried looking psychiatric observer of donald trump that weve ever seen. Donald trump talked about other cable news shows on other Networks Like this one and said this sentence, i dont watch them at all. That sentence was immediately followed without a breath with the sentence, watched last night. Youll see this in a moment. What you see is utter madness in action at verbal high speed. I dont watch them at all period, i watched last night. I dont watch them at all is a pathological lie, which is exposed by Donald Trumps very next sentence. Here is more of the most dangerous mind in the history of the american presidency. I dont watch them at all. I watched last night. That makes it easy. I tell you what, i watched leaking, lying comey last night. I did i hated to do it. One of the reasons people say youre still looking good mr. President , how do you do it . One of the things ive been able to do, which is something i never thought i had the ability i would always watch. Now frankly i dont have time for two reasons theres too much and i dont have time. Whether it was good or bad, i dont watch. I dont watch nbc anymore, theyre as bad as cnn. And i made them a fortune with the apprentice. Your alma mater. I made them a fortune. You would think they would treat me great but they treat me horribly and falsely. I dont watch things that i can put out of my mind and i never thought that would be possible. You know what that does . It keeps you on the ball. You keep your sanity. Sanity . He actually referred to the elephant in the room. He referred to the biggest elephant in america, Donald Trumps sanity. The thing most in doubt about donald trump, his sanity. And you have to see this, because you might never see this again unless trump goes on fox news again and fox friends hosts are trying to get the president of the United States to shut up and get off their show. Our Justice Department should be looking at that kind of stuff, not the nonsense of collusion with russia. There is no collusion with me and russia. And everyone knows it. We could talk to you all day but it looks like you have a million things to do. You could. I hope you can join us again, mr. President. Thank you, mr. President. Ansley, good luck with your book. Thank you. Happy birthday to melania. Well see you next thursday, mr. President. Phone lines open. Call in again sometimes. Good. Thank you, bye. Call in again sometime. Well, if were lucky, he will. Up next, what made george will declare that someone in washington is actually worse than donald trump . George will will explain. Wait what . Directv gives you more for your thing. Your. Quitting cable and never looking back thing. Directv is rated 1 in Customer Satisfaction over cable. Switch to directv and now get a 100 reward card. More for your thing. Thats our thing. Call 1. 800 directv. If yor crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough, it may be time for a change. Ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohns. Entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve both symptom relief and remission. 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And its going to make us a much, much better service. And i just found out when i was walking through the door we were also going to be joined today by another favorite. A great friend of this president , a tireless champion of strong borders and the rule of law. Spent a lifetime in law enforcement. Sheriff joe arpio, im honored to have you here. That moment from mike pence several weeks ago was the last pence straw for many conservatives. George will made headlines when he declared that was the moment mike pence became worse than donald trump. George will joined us then to discuss it. According to Miriam Webster oleaginous is most looked up word. That means george will sent everyone to the dictionary with this. Mike pence with his talent for toadyism and appetite for obsequiosness could trump knew become americas most repulsive figure. Because his the authentic voice of todays Republican Party, pence clarifies this years elections, vote republican to ratify groveling as governoring. George will documents the Vice President s groveling and his hypocrisy. An example. Pence flew to indiana for the purpose of walking out of an Indianapolis ColtsFootball Game thereby showing that Football Players kneeling are intolerable to someone of pences sense of right and wrong. He juks posed that with mike pence cozying up to the convicted and trump pardoned joe arpaio. Writing pence oozing from every pore called favorite, professed himself honored by arpaios presence, and praised him as a tireless champion of the rule of law. George will noted that that arizona speech by mike pence, quote, occurred eight miles from the home of senator john mccain, who could teach pence or perhaps not, something about honor. In his column, george will quoted a speech delivered by Abraham Lincoln after the murder of an antislavery newspaper editor by a proslavery mob. Lincoln said, there was a mobocratic spirit among the vicious portion of the population. So let reference for the laws become the political religion of the nation. George will went on to say, pence, one of evangelical christians favorite pinups genuflects at various altars as the mobocratic spirit and the vicious portion require. George will sees an important difference between donald trump and mike pence. Trump is what he is, and pence is what he has chosen to be. Here are the closing lines of george wills column. Trump is what he is, a floundering, inarticulate, jumble of gnawing insecuritying and not at all compensating vanities, which is pathetic. Pence is what he has chosen to be, which is horrifying. George f. Will will join us next. That make the difference. Only botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crows feet and forehead lines look better. Its a quick 10 minute treatment given by a doctor to reduce those lines. Ask your doctor about botox® cosmetic by name. 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Tonight in indiana, the president and Vice President said this. We support law and order, and we support the heroes in law enforcement. Theyre great. President trump promised to stand with those who serve on the thin blue line of law enforce. Joining us now, george f. Will, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and msnbc political analyst. George, it was so striking to hear the president and Vice President say that tonight when this president spends what history might show ends up being a majority of his days attacking the fbi, which i believe is in the business of law enforcement. It is. But the president has an almost cheerful disregard of contradictions. If you just keep saying things, people will not notice. And your point, to borrow a phrase from another setting, donald trump seems to have been born this way, but mike pence has made a choice. Well, donald trump is an open book who has been reading himself to the country for 30 years. There are just no mysteries left, and he is this, as i said, this jumble of insecurities and partially or not at all really compensating vanities. Hes a kind of mistake of nature, and he is what he is. But mr. Pence, who has signed on to this you know, the vice presidency is not an office that has a high dignity quotient at the best of times. But to sign on for this and to go out to phoenix and to praise arpaio, to pronounce himself honored, this wouldnt be so bad if mr. Pence were not the darling of the evangelicals. Mr. Peninsula is a kind of combination became elmer gantry, and youre raya heap, the dickens character who is forever pronouncing himself humble about this and humble about that. If youre going to be, as mr. Pence has decided to be, conspicuously pious and conspicuously moral, then you have to watch when youre planting your feet because there are mines all over the ground. And, george, you set the country rushing to the dictionary today, created the most searched for word. So i would like you to define oleaginous for the audience and tell them why you chose that one for mike pence. Oily in one word. Its the kind of word when i would use a word, and my children who are in the College Application business, i would say its an s. A. T. Word. Look it up. Im glad to see the country did this today. It means oily, kind of greasy, sort of just too smooth for comfort. Again, the sense that when fears that mr. Pence by now is surface all the way through. And its not a pretty picture. Again, he has signed on for this. When he first began to sign on to mr. Trump, he used to always define mr. Trump as this good man. What would a bad man look like . You have watched mike pence certainly since his congressional career. Are you surprised . I am surprised. He was a congressman of conspicuous bravery on occasions, voted against despite astonishing pressure against Medicare Part d, and it was a good principle he stood up for. He opposed no child left behind because he thought this was federal intrusion on the quintessential state and local responsibility. He was, in short, a person of discernible ideology. Well, he said goodbye to all of that, and hes now going to do whatever the audience in front of him wants and expects to have done, which is why it was so shocking what he did in arizona with arpaio because when he said im honored to have arpaio here he was really saying, look, politics now is entirely tribal. Our tribe has arpaio on its side. Therefore, im on arpaios side. And its very, very dispiriting. George f. Will, thank you for sending the country once again to the dictionary for an s. A. T. Word, and thank you very much for joining us tonight. Glad to be with you. George will gets tonights last word. If you missed the last word on tv, you can get the last word anytime as a podcast. Listen for free on apple podcasts now or wherever you get your podcasts. Chris hayes is up next. Long before he took up the most powerful office in the world, donald trump had established himself as a public figure, always willing to share his thinking about the issues and events of our time. Through two decades, ive interviewed this peripatetic and too often divisive president more than a dozen times, and viewed today, those conversations take on a new meaning when seen through the lens of trumps presidency. Lets begin with mr