Footsteps trying to follow your lead for how to extract information from this man. We have doubleteamed him, as has the world on this question of where did you get the information . And what strikes me as so interesting today, no reporters have caught up with that. Theres no report in the new york times, the washington journal, the Washington Post, no one has figured out where Michael Avenatti got all this Banking Information about Michael Cohen. And weve got little pieces of it and prospects of little piece of it. We have news organizations, including nbc news saying they too have seen financial documents that corroborate what Michael Avenatti reported p p we have these Big Companies corroborating what he reported saying yeah we paid that money to Michael Cohen. Now we have the treasury Inspector General reportedly investigating to find out if somebody released suspicious
reports from the Banking Sector and if thats the way he got this information. If thats the way he got it, and the news organizations got it, it might be a legal problem for whoever leaked that information in the first place. I got to think well figure it out, but not before we get more revelations about what Michael Cohen does for a living. I think Michael Cohens lawyers might force Michael Avenatti to tell us, thats what they were asking for in court today. I was very pleased to see my Math Checkout because i had done this calculation about an hour before Michael Avenatti did it on your show where he pointed out that the amount of the amounts that are in dispute in his reporting are 20,000 out of what he said was 3. 5 million. He said that was 99. 3 accurate. Theres actually 4. 5 million in
the total flow we know about now. So that makes Michael Avenattis number 99. 6 accurate, which i had figured out all on my own before Michael Avenatti said that. It is an i mean, tactically its an interesting thing to take a document thats been substantially admitted to, at t and the Company Associated with the Russian Oligarch, saying yeah thats all true. So its a tactically interesting move to say the part of it we have issue with is the 700 that went through the kenyan bank account. Tactically its interesting. That will be the way the right and maybe cohens lawyers in court seize on this document trying to discredit it. And it makes me all the more curious as to where the information came from. Because clearly some of the information is definitely true
and it m seems like some of it might not be true. Its weird to get a mixed bag of half true and half untrue information or 99 true and 1 untrue information. Michael avenatti is clearly driving Michael Cohens lawyers crazy because they rushed into court today with this document which basically said hes more than 99 right but were really, really angry were really angry about this less than 1 he got wrong and he should be slapped on the wrist for that and forced to reveal where he got that. Thats an understandable pleading. I can understand legally why they made that pleading, but they ran the risk, which they did, of completely confirming all of the big transactions in the bank records. And making that document and those allegations about Michael Cohens Business Life part of that case. The only reason a document released by Michael Avenatti
would end up in that case is because Michael Cohens lawyers made it that way. The only hook they have have to go after avenatti with the judge is that avenatti sought at one point to join that case. He did not join that case. Hes not associated with the case, hes not a party in the matter. Yet theyre asking the judge to reach out beyond the inl of the case to go after him on this. All theyre doing is succeeding in moving these damning allegations into the center. These are the things when you talk to Michael Avenatti the errors that he forces them to make. Thats what that pleading in Federal Court in new york looks like to me. Hes a sure footed man. Thanks, lawrence. Thanks, rachel. Its like every day since
Michael Avenatti entered his life, a crazy day for Michael Cohen. Mr. Cohen how are you doing today . Doing great. Thank you. My comment about Michael Avenatti . In response . Any response to avenatti . His document is inaccurate. How do you feel about you may have changed an election . People whove known Michael Cohen a long time tell me this is what hes always wanted. To be a celebrity. A celebrity in sunglasses surrounded by the paparazzi. Thats why he wanted to be in trump world. He wanted to be at least near a celebrity, donald trump. Thats what people who knew him before he knew donald trump tell me about Michael Cohen. And so, the good news for Michael Cohen, is finally
paparazzi are gathered outside his door. So he loves that part. Thats why he walks you out of the hotel and says good morning to the awaiting cameras and when asked how is he, im great, as if hes a movie star on the oscars red carpet. And for that second, Michael Cohen is standing on the tip of the highest peak hes ever been on in his life. Way up there in the thinner air of his very own celebrity. And then, in the next second hes brought crashing back Down To Earth by the two words that have made him such a celebrity, Michael Avenatti. Any comment about Michael Avenatti . Any response . And Michael Cohen, coming as close as he can to speaking grammatically correct english
says, his documents is inaccurate. And for once Michael Cohen is right. The documents that Stormy Daniels lawyer, Michael Avenatti presented to us on this program Last Night Showing 4. 5 milli 4. 5 million going into and out of the llc that Michael Cohen created in order to pay Stormy Daniels 130,000 to keep her quiet, those documents contain some minor inaccuracies that Michael Cohen has been owning up to as soon as they were discovered. Sitting here last night Michael Avenatti described 4,425,033. 46 that flowed through essential consultants l. L. C. And Michael Cohens Bank Accounts. The flow of that money contains possible inaccuracies about four
transactions, amounting to 20,583. So that makes Michael Avenattis document 99. 6 accurate. One of the inaccuracies in Michael Avenattis document was a Wire Transfer from kenya to Michael Cohen for 980, but it was not Michael Cohen, the man who has said he would take a bullet for donald trump. It was a 26yearold israeli named Michael Cohen, who told nbc news, i am an aveonic technician in ll airlines. The 26yearold Michael Cohen said he had no idea how the mixup could have occurred but hes been getting lots of attention. My whole family was surprised. Friends called me, it was a crazy day. It was a crazy day because of
Michael Avenattis 99. 6 accuracy of the flows into the accounts of the man who has always called him Donald Trumps fixer. Last night Michael Avenatti told us there were possibly more payments than he discovered and today that was proven true. Michael cohen showed a farm pharmaceutical company. The company or Michael Cohen seemed intent on recording on something less than 100,000 a month. Each payment was 99,980. All the Companies Involved with Michael Cohen are now offering explanations of why they funneled massive amounts of money to with a man with no no skilled, a man who couldnt even
successfully execute a pay to a porn star to stay quiet about the most embarrassing sex of her semipublic sex life. The corporate payments to Michael Cohen are the very definition of filling the swamp with money. The washington influence swamp that donald trump lied about to his voters when he promised to drain that swamp. At mntt paid Michael Cohen 50,000 at the beginning of the presidency in the hope that michael would convince the president to support at ts merger with time warner. At t failed to get support for the merger. But who knows what else they got with their Michael Cohen money
with regard to the myriad of regulations that affect their business. Novartis tried to blame their former ceo last night but we learned much more about the novartis deal today. Michael cohen reached out after the election and promised access to the new administration. Novartis said they paid Michael Cohen 100,000 a month for advice on u. S. Health care policy matters. And according to sources at the company, novartis had exactly one meeting with Michael Cohen three months into the deal. And by the end of that meeting, they realized they were wasting their money. One unnamed employee said, quote, they decided not to really engage cohen for any activities after that. The employee continued. Rather than attempt to cancel the contract, the company
allowed it to lapse early in 2018 and not run the risk of ticking off the president. It might have caused anger, this person said. If they cancelled that contract when they discovered that President Trumps friend, Michael Cohen, was absolutely useless to them. New reporting in the Washington Post tonight quotes Michael Cohen as saying, im crushing it when all the money was pouring in. And now it is apparently crushing him. The Washington Post reports as hes facing mounting legal bills Michael Cohen refinanced his park avenue condominium in recent days. Everyone tried to get the answer to my first question to Michael Avenatti last night which is how did he get this information about money flowing to and from Michael Cohen . No reporters have figured it it out. But Michael Cohens lawyers may have figured it out. In a letter to the judge in considering how to handle Michael Cohens case, they said that, quote, Michael Avenatti appears to be in possession of some information from mr. Cohens actual bank records. He should be required to explain to this court how he came to possess and release this information. And were going to be right back with more discussion of this with our panel. Riends. And we got to know the friends of our friends. And we found others just like us. And just like that we felt a little less alone. But then something happened. We had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. Thats going to change. From now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. Because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer. With Dell Small Businessout your Technology Advisors you get the oneonone partnership you need to grow your business. The dell vostro 15 laptop. Contact a dell advisor today. At a comfort inn with a glow taround them, so people watching will be like, wow, maybe ill glow too if i book direct at choicehotels. Com. Who glows . Just say, badda book. Badda boom. Book now at choicehotels. Com. He was hired for one reason and one reason only, and that was he was selling access to the highest office in the land. At best thats what he was doing. At best. And ultimately, Robert Mueller or myself or someone else will get to the bottom of exactly what he was selling, and perhaps more importantly, rachel, where did all of this money go . That was Michael Avenatti talking about Michael Cohen with rachel in the last hour. Were joined now by ron klain, former chief of staff and a former senior aid. Barbara mcquade, former federal prosecutor, and deanna fill la pain co, a form investigator. Ron klain, the speculation continues of where Michael Avenatti got this information. Theres one expert quoted in one report saying that this is the kind of information that could be obtained from one of those suspicious Activity Reports or from a series of suspicious Activity Reports about Bank Transactions but so far its Michael Avenatti leading the way on this. It is. And, you know, he will, i imagine that judge wood will order him to disclose the source of this information and hell have to do so. If indeed it did come from an illegally disclosed sar, the person who disclosed it will be in trouble. As you said earlier the fundamental point from the broader perspective here is the information he put forward turned out to be 99. 6 accurate. Who could have imagined just a few days ago that the single least slimy transaction would be paying a former adult star
130,000 to be quiet about her affair with the president. What is piling up is a powerful tale of corruption and undisclosed payments. Where they came from, particularly the payments from the Russian Oligarch, are troubling and theres a lot more to come out about that. The explanations from the companies about why they spent money with Michael Cohen vary in, i guess, laughability in a way. So the company backed by the Russian Oligarch is claiming that theres no russian influence whatsoever here. Theres no reason to claim that. And then the reasons they give for paying Michael Cohen have absolutely nothing to do with anything Michael Cohen has ever done in business. Absolutely. I mean, the statement that weve had from Columbus Nova is that these were payments made for
investment advice. This is not consistent with what Michael Cohen has been engaged with. When we pair the statement from Columbus Nova with the other companies we see theres great inconsistency in what theyre saying the services were from Michael Cohen. This raises a red flag in my mind because if youre typically a bona fide company if Michael Cohen was providing consulting or lobbying advice you would expect to have Consistent Services youre offering. Here we have an array of different clients that are, you know, providing Different Reasons for why they engaged his consulting and advice. Barbara mcquade, im particularly struck by the way the story has unfolded with novartis. First of all last night we all heard the statement they issued saying this deal was done under the ceo who no longer works here, disowning it as much as
they could. Today it was revealed after three months of paying Michael Cohen 100,000 a month, there was no business reason to do so but they were afraid to stop paying him because they were afraid of the reaction of the president of the United States. So they went on to pay Michael Cohen an additional 900,000 because they were afraid, in effect, of retribution from the president of the United States. Zb zb yeah, some red flags here. First the shifting stories. They issued a couple of statements. And then the fear of retribution. It may be something they assumed themselves without any warnings from someone else. So i want to be careful not to make allegations at this stage. But as a prosecutor investigating this, is this some sort of pay to play scheme . In some of the cases my former
office investigated against a big city mayor, the mayor was surrounded by all kind of consultants and you had to pay the consultants in you wanted access to the mayor and consideration of your business being done in the city. So theres some concern maybe thats Whats Going On here. Its bribery if its aufroffered it can be extortion if its demanded. Thats certainly something i would think Robert Mueller might want to look at. Or the public corruption unit at the Southern District of new york, which is assigned to this case. Perhaps the most ridiculous reason for paying Michael Cohen, the winner of that goes to at t, and part of the reason they released publically was, it was to pay for an understanding of the Inner Workings of trump, his thought process, how he likes to operate, how he likes to make
decisions, how he process information. Ron klain, i guess they never watched The Apprentice and read a world available in the press about donald trump. They were paying Michael Cohen 50,000 a month for a look inside the mind of donald trump. And six months into paying that, this book came out, from michael wolff, 30 bucks could have saved that half, at least, of the 600,000, they pay to Michael Cohen. As the old joke goes the Inner Workings of the mind of donald trump would be the shortest book ever written. I dont think they needed to pay 50,000 a month for that. I think that raises a lot of questions. I think the payments from the kore Korean Aerospace company raise questions as does novartis. The most troubling is the Russian Oligarch, we dont know whatever advice was being sought there. And its against the story of various russian efforts throughout 2016 to work with the Trump Campaign to try to influence our election. Thats the one thing here, lawrence, all the red flags is the reddest of the red flags. Dionna your reaction to that . Absolutely. I think whats also interesting with the payment made by the vekselberg company, is there was a contribution to the trump inaugural committee, 250,000 paid, so this fits the trend were seeing. The company put out a statement its owned by americans, its an american based company. We have to ask whos exerting the ultimate control over the company and directing the
actions being made. We have information that theyve been very influential in the actions of Columbus Nova. So the pattern of seeing the vekselberg entity made to trump before, it raises questions what they intend for this particular payment was. Barbara mcquade, Michael Avenatti keeps saying the recurring chorus from him is he wants the suspicious Activity Reports on Michael Cohen released, he believes they should be made public now. Can they be made public now is one question, but the other part is, what is it that Michael Avenatti believes . Its as if he knows something in there, and something in there will create a new round for this story . First of all, i dont think they can be released p p theyre private documents, Law Enforcement sensitive. These are documents the banks
file with the law when they view something in a bank account and they can be viewed by Law Enforcement. I dont think they can be released by the Treasure Department or Michael Cohen, i dont think he has access to them. Why is Michael Avenatti pushing to have those suspicious Activity Reports released . I dont know. I wonder if there isnt Additional Information in them or he is bluffing knowing no one will release them and he can point to this is more effort to cover up Whats Going On here. I dont know what his end game is. I imagine hes trying to put pressure on President Trump to resolve his lawsuit with Stormy Daniels. But i do worry that all of these things in the Public Domain could be harming Robert Muellers investigation. He is no doubt several steps ahead of all of us but this could be tipping off people causing them to tamper with
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thousands of lobbyists outside of the trump government profiting from the trump swamp, including huge profit tiers like Michael Cohen, who never registered as a lobbyist but was in effect being paid as a lobbyist of some sort. When fired Trump Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski set up the Lobbying Shop in washington his partner said they had more clients than they could handle and they had to turn some away. And President Trump is creating new openings for lobbyists, like threatening tariffs that lobbyist then try to get exemptions from for companies and countries. And the same thing is happening with President Trump threatening to impose sanctions on companies doing business with iran. That means hundreds of millions of dollars of lobby fees will be
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matt miller. David frum, the Michael Cohen saga is but one window into what has truly become an unprecedented size swamp that the trump swamp now is. The question i think you have been asking the past half hour and that rachel was asking for the last hour before that, is a variant of an episode from the old sew soprano show. The thing that got you into the most trouble was not kicking up, you got the fat envelope full of cash, you took your piece of it, and then delivered the thicker envelope to the next ranking person in the organization. Thats the thing everyone is struggling with. Donald trump hates people making money off him without sharing. Michael cohen made a lot of money very fast, did he kick up . And thats exactly what Michael Avenatti has been suggesting in our discussions. Matt miller heres a president who creates opportunities for lobbyists unlike anything we have ever seen, even when he apparently randomly decides to attack a company on twitter for whatever its Legal Business is on the United States. What happens for the Lobbying Bills for that company the day the president launches a twitter attack on that company . If you look at his influx of business you have to look at what was happening in the transition. The president was attacking companies and every time that happened, all of these companies were scrambling trying to figure out what to do in response and every Major Company in america was trying to figure out what to do to head that off. In the middle of that, Michael Cohen comes Cold Calling Ceos and offers what is potentially a
protection racquet. I will introduce you to people in the trump world. Theres the oldtime influence peddling, trying to make introductions, and then theres the new era of the trump world, you have a president out Bullying Companies in public and someone offering, to use the w analogy, if you want these attacks to go away, hire me. Lets listen to what Eric Swalwell told ari melber today. Any tree that you shake in this trump forest, a russia falls out. The president is in a position where he and his lawyer are deceiving the american people. And a president who lies is a president who is weak. David frum here we see in the Michael Avenatti massive flows
of money, of course, standing behind one big pot is a Russian Oligarch. Right. And we have discovered that beginning in about 2006, the Trump Organization suddenly seemed to have a lot of catch to spend but spent it in weirdly unwise ways, on moneylosing golf courses. Theres the question of where do these flows of very large money into the Trump Organization come from . We shake the tree and we think we know the answer. Matt miller in terms of what were seeing Michael Avenatti unearth every other week it seems theres something kind of extraordinary coming from him, whos feeding off who here . Is avenatti working off of what appear to be fruits of federal investigations or is he feeding the federal investigations . I think its probably a
little bit of both. We know hes been cooperating with the investigation in the Southern District of new york looking into potential Company Finance violations, he said that publically. But it does appear the release he made yesterday was probably the result of an internal federal investigation i would suspect from the treasury department, possibly leaked from the Justice Department but most likely leaked from the treasury department. It does lead you to ask the question, are other people coming forward . There are Whistle Blowers in the private or Public Sector who might look at Michael Cohen now as someone out taking on the president and saying this is someone i can bring information to, hell take it public, hes not afraid to back down, but hes someone i can share damning information and make sure it gets in the right hand. One thing i learned about Michael Avenatti is he always knows more than what he tells us in any given round. You can feel it when hes sitting here and talking to you. Last night he was very clear about having information about where the money went. Last nights discussion and todays discussion with him has been the money that has come in to Michael Cohen. He seems to know something about where the money went and he has in effect promised thats the next chapter of this story for him. Ive been woring for a long time, worrying and hoping, the United States government is in the grip of an auto immune disorder. All through the government there are people seeing things that are not appropriate for the president of the United States to do, worse than not appropriate. And what do they do about that . Well, many of them, as weve been suggesting here, they are doing things that arent appropriate for them because the system is reacting to this Alien Intrusion of something its never seen before. And its Shedding Information in directions where it thinks it can do some good for selfprotected purposes. There are enduring systematic
ethical and institutional questions. How do you carry on the government if people develop these habits of leaking in order to protect the country from leaders they see as improper. Matt miller, as i say, it does sound like the next chapter for Michael Avenatti is where that money went and he is strongly suggesting it didnt all go to Michael Cohen. Whoever provided him the information about Michael Cohens Bank Accounts clearly was able to see what money was coming into the bank account, theres no reason to think they wouldnt be able to see where that money was going to when it left his bank account, whether it was going to finance his other businesses or to someone else in the Trump Organization, the trump world, maybe trump himself. Theres no reason to think the person that leaked that doesnt
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detainees. I dont think its knowable whether Interrogation Techniques played a role in that. And then the question that ended up deciding senator john mccains position on gina haspel. Do you believe the previous Interrogation Techniques were immoral . Senator, i believe that cia officers to whom you referred its a yes or no answer. Do you believe the previous Interrogation Techniques were immoral . Im not asking do you believe they were legal. Im asking do you believe they were immoral . Senator, i believe that cia its a yes or no did extraordinary work to prevent another attack on the country given the legal tools please answer yes or no. Do you believe, in hindsight, those techniques were immoral. What i believe sitting here today, is i support the higher moral standard we have decided to hold ourselves to. Can you please answer the question. I believe i have answered the question. No, you have not. Do you believe the techniques now armed with hindsight, do you believe they were immoral . Yes or no . Senator, i believe we should hold ourselves to the moral standard outlined in the army field manual. Youve not answered the question, but im going to move on. Senator john mccain was watching at home. That was all he had to hear to decide his position on this confirmation. Gene robinson and Nick Christophe join us with that next. Makes the complex simple. highpitched whir . Giving you super hero levels of confidence. explosion its your thing understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes, so nothing stands in your way. Rocket mortgage. Americas largest mortgage lender. Marvel studios Avengers Infinity War in theaters april 27th. Marvel studios Avengers Infinity War no one thought much of itm at all. L people said it just made a mess until exxonmobil scientists put it to the test. They thought someday it could become fuel and power our cars wouldnt that be cool . And thats why exxonmobil scientists think its not small at all. Energy lives here. With expedia, you can book a flight, hotel, car, and activity. All in one place. Everything you need to go. Expedia
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what does she do if the president orders her to do it. She said she would not restart under any circumstances. So i dont know if that means resign. I dont know what that means. Unfortunately she was also very evasive. She didnt really renounce it. Boy, i so much would like to support gina haspel for this job. I think shes very smart. The folks at cia strongly support her. Women there would love to have a woman director of central intelligence. But how can you support somebody who not only oversaw torture, but refuses to renounce it now, refuses to renounce the fact that she destroyed these videotapes as an investigation was approaching. And i guess i also worry, lawrence, that a little bit about whether shes sort of a Stalking Course for mike pompeo. To the extent that she doesnt have a lot of independent connections on the hill, for example. Mike pompeo supports her. And i guess i worry that if hes at state and has a protege at langley, that there is some risk that he could get intelligence to support his policy decisions, which i think is another major concern to have. Senator john mccain watching at home on television issued this statement at the hearing. Ms. Haspels Role Overseeing Torture By Americans is disturbing. Her refusal to acknowledge tortures immorality is disqualifying. I believe the senate should exercise its duty of advise and consent and reject this nomination. Thats right. Im with john mccain on the subject. John mccain, being one of the few americans who has experienced torture, he knows that Water Boarding is torture. He knows other things done to the detainees constituted torture. Nothing i heard today changed my mind. It was a very that period in the vcia, its a Broad National consensus in 2002 and 2003 that we should take prisoners to terrorism suspects to secret prisons in foreign lands and torture them. I was never asked about that. You were never asked about that. And yet this revisionism maintains that somehow we all agree that that was okay for them. It was okay. It was illegal then, it was immoral then. And while i grant that you cant disqualify the sfwier cia for its participation, in fact, there was not a unanimous view inside the cia. And certainly it was opposed by many in the fbi by virtually all in the pentagon who thought that was crazy. This was terrible. And someone who participated in the deinstruction of the evidence of that crime, which shows consciousness of guilt, i think shes disqualified. Nick, one of the extraordinary moments for me listening to her testimony this morning was she was asked on the destruction of the videos of the torture, she was asked why the idea was to protect the identities of the agents involved. She was then asked, why not just digitize the face of the agents so there would never be any issue about who was involved in the torture. And then the video could be
preserved, which most of the authorities who spoke about the preservation of this video wanted it preserved, even when it was destroyed. Her answer to the question of why not just digitize the face was, im not a technical person, i dont know that works. Now, we think of the cia director as knowing an awful more about an awful lot of levels of sophistication. A cia director who doesnt know if you can digitize a face was a real stunning moment to me. As you suggest, it was an enormously implausible answer. It seems completely implausible. It does injustice to her. Shes a smart, savvy person. Clearly she knew there were other avenue ps. This is the kind of thing that people do
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