Okay . They hate donald trump. And so, this was their front page headline today which was predictable for the new york daily news. Im with perv. Trump endorsed accused kid molester moore. Now, Donald Trumps other hometown tabloid newspaper, the New York Post, loves donald trump. The New York Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch and under a clear editorial order to love everything donald trump says and does. Until today. When even the trump worshipping the New York Post ran basically the same headline as the daily news, im with the perv, trump backs roy moore. Donald trump is unique among american politics. He is the only one whos admitted and boasted about his preferred methods of Sexual Assault. He did that on the famous access Hollywood Video grabbing women any way he wanted including the most sexually assaultive way of grabbing a woman. So, it was no surprise to anyone that donald trump has sided with the perv as the new york tabloids put it because in trump world nothing is more forgivable or understandable or even worthy of boasting about than Sexual Assault. Mr. President , is aaccused child molester better than the democrat . Is an accused he denies. It. Look. If you look at what is really going on and you look at the things that have happened over the last 48 hours, he totally denies it. He says it didnt happen and, you know, you have to listen to him, also. Youre talking about he said 40 years ago this did not happen so you know. With the special election in alabama only 20 days away, roy moore has not dared to have a public event since last thursday. Campaign announced today that the Communications Director resigned bringing the Campaign Staff down to six people. Last night an interview on a conservative radio show, roy moore did his best imitation of donald trump. I guess we dont have it. Thats roy moore lets see if i can find it here. Roy moore saying i have great regard for women. I regard womens rights. I regard womens rights. That, of course, was just as much of a lie as this was. Nobody has more respect for women than i do. Nobody. Roy moore followed Donald Trumps example to threaten to sue his accusers, a threat that is every bit as much a lie when Roy Moore Says it as when donald trump said it during the president ial campaign. Do you plan to pursue any legal action with defamation against any of these people, the Washington Post or anybody regardless . Some people believe that shows that youre serious about proving your innocence. Were talking about the Washington Post. Were talking about the women involved. Republican senator jeff flake emerging as the conscious of the Republican Senate said this today. I think the president made a big mistake there. I think that he should distance himself from roy moore. Even if it means losing that seat. If the choice is between roy moore and the democrat, i would vote for the democrat if i lived in alabama. To paint somebody else as more evil somehow because he has a more liberal philosophy than somebody who may have been a child predator, i just i dont think thats right. And even if you lose a vote in the senate among republicans, thats better than being the party of roy moore. After President Trump reendorsed roy moore yesterday, republican strategist tim miller tweeted, i just donated to a democrat for the first time in my life. If any of you all want to do so, as well. Enough is enough. In an article posted today, tim miller wrote, roy moore is worse than abuser of children. He is an abuser of children whens also a hateful gig out. Deserves no cover and no seat in the United States senate and he never did. In this election, it is not a close call. On stengs is not an issue. Roy moore is a disgraceful by gotted deviant beneath our collective contempt. Joining us, tim miller, former Communications Director for jeb bush 2016 and a columnist for boss tom globe and with the Pointer Institute for Media Studios and david jolly of florida with us. Tim miller, you reaction to the president s reendorsing of roy moore. Clearly we understand through your tweet you went to the point of contributing but whats your argument to republicans who say i am going to write in a different republican name than roy moore on that ballot . Well, lawrence, on this night in 1963, john f. Kennedy was do give a speech where the purpose of the speech was to say that our duties not nearly to the preservation not merely the preservation of political power. And that is all donald trump cares about, is his shortterm political power and thats why it was so disgusting when yesterday or two days ago he came out and gave roy moore a clearly somebody that engaged in child molestation cover and so my message to republicans in alabama is this. You know, look much everybody has a personal option. If you feel like you need to abstain, i understand that. The reality is its doug jones or roy moore in the u. S. Senate. And roy moore is a child molester. One who on multiple occasions abused young women, as young as the age of 14 and he spent his entire career trying to undermine gay and lesbian alabamans and americans who just wanted to be with the person that they loved and all roy moore dedicated his entire career to was trying to prevent them from doing that while he was trying to court or date as he said 14yearold girls. This is a sick person. And so, for me if the option is doug jones, who i dont really know that much about and seems like a perfect replacement level democrat, or roy moore, a pedophile, it isnt really a tough call. To show how much the model of the roy moore defense so far in the campaign mirrors the Trump Defense in the president ial campaign, we have seen roy moores wife come out and defend him just as Melania Trump did in the Campaign Calling the accusers of donald trump liars. Lets listen to what Melania Trump said during the campaign. I believe my husband. I believe my husband. This was all organized from the opposition. And we the details that they did they ever check the background of these women . They dont have any facts. That is basically what roy moores wife is doing these days in that campaign. Yeah. I dont think its really getting her very far insofar as i think the people that believe roy moore continue to believe him and his wife bolsters that and people that dont believe them, i dont think shes convincing anybody. Look. Roy moore is at the point in the campaign where hes lost republicans of tim miller and that was an excellent column and i really you know, exhort all of your viewers to read that column. New. He just went through point by point. You know, hes lost john rogers his Communications Director. He lost representative joe barton who basically was himself exposed today for having sent out a nude selfie and wanted to point out its a consensual, adult relationship. It wasnt with a child. I mean, essentially, thats the low bar now that were talking about in the Sexual Assault an Sexual Harassment cases. Hes lost a large wing of the gop. And if were really just down to republicans in alabama thinking that this is better than having a democrat, i mean, i think we just go back to your covers that you showed of im with perv. Its extremely disturbing but i disagree with one of the earlier clips you were showing, you know, jeff flake when he says the president should do this, should not back roy moore, the reason he has to back roy moore is because if he doesnt then, of course, his own actions come into question. Hes saying roy moore denies it. The implication is i donald trump denied everything i was accused of doing with more than a dozen women and you should therefore believe both of us. And, david jolly, we have breaking news at this hour about your former colleague representative joe barton who indira was talking about. The Washington Post moments ago has added to that story with the headline, congressman told woman he would report her to Capital Police if she exposed his secret sex life and that is a story about congressman joe barton telling this woman who had these photographs that he is now very embarrassed about that he would engage the Capital Police to stop her from spreading any information about him and, david, this seems like something thats going to be headed to the Ethics Committee and the house of representatives. Lawrence, and you know this. Theres so much more that is going to break from capitol hill and the coming weeks as a result of women rightfully coming forward. And i dont want to speak specifically to a case i dont know a lot about but i know this. Listen. Congress is a place where a lot of different types of people get elected. Very good people but theres some very bad people. There are some creepy people. There are some freaks, some people you wonder how in the world did they first get elected and people that behave badly. A thing john boehner did is run them out of office and seeing more come of this. You know, what tim did in his column and jeff flake has done is very important because what theyre doing is giving republicans permission to distance themselves from fellow republicans and its very important in races like roy moore to give permission to republicans to vote for a democrat, to vote for doug jones and honor the principle of country over party. Republicans right now need permission to criticize their own just as democrats do, as well. As we learn more from capitol hill. Just want to if i could add to that, lawrence. Just briefly, yeah, look. Hers the thing. That is republican seat again in three years. Right . This is alabama. And so, hopefully the republicans in three years we can nominate a decent person and there are plenty of decent republicans in alabama. I dont think that voters in alabama need to worry that this is going to theyre going to lose this seat to, you know, prochoice democrats forever. This is a shortterm choice between two people and the important voters in this election are people basically like me and representative jolly. College educated republicans who are trying to decide between just abstaining and voting for doug jones, that can be the difference of whether a bigoted child molesters is in the senate or not and thats why doug jones is the clear answer. I want to bring you and the viewers up to date about this breaking news and the lead of this article. It says representative joe barton who apologized wednesday for a lewd photo of him on the internet told the woman to whom he had sent sexually explicit vid knows, photos and messages to report her to the Capital Police if she exposed his behavior according to a recording reviewed by the Washington Post. The woman spoke to the the Washington Post after the lewd photo was published tuesday by an anonymous twitter account. She shared a secretly recorded phone conversation she had with barton in 2015 in which he warned her against using the explicit materials, quote, in a way that would negatively affect my career. And so, indira, here we have a recording of barton saying that he would use the Capital Police to try to prevent her from doing anything that would negatively affect my career. And when you look back at the Anthony Weinerer case, nancy pelosi forced him to resign from the house of representatives basically for material like this. That was years before Anthony Weinerer committed a crime for which he is not serving time. Right. You point out, lawrence, this seems to have a criminal aspect to it, threatening someone. Not quite extortion but Something Like blackmail. Threatening someone with legal action. I mean, look. One thing you point out nancy pelosi. Democrats have been quick it seems to me in pushing for ethics investigations of democrats in Congress Like al franken, like john conyers accused of harassment. We have not seen the same solid front from republicans calling for investigations of gop people. I mean, i do think for the great part most republicans in congress have really stood against roy moore. Which is important. But again, as tim points out and david points out, we are talking about someone alleged to have assaulted children. Girl teenagers. So again, that is a low bar. I just want to say one thing about roy moore continuing today threatening legal action of his own against supposed libel, the press, the women making the accusations and this really is not real. Thats not a real threat. Thats a dog whistle to supporters trying to say, you know, im innocent. You know . Im going to go after them. And its threat to these women in the same way that representative barton was threatening women. This guy is trying to say, dont come after me because i could do legal action against you. Dont forget, the president himself donald trump before he was president used threats of legal action many times against the media and didnt actually go through with them. Its incredibly hard, the standard for libel in this country is very hard. Ever since, you know, the New York Times sullivan case and the supreme court. So i think its nothing more than trying to protect himself. It is not real. Heres more from the Washington Post report and remember now, theyre reporting from an audio tape that they have heard of this conversation. The woman says to congressman barton, how would you use the Capital Police in what would you tell the Capital Police . Congressman barton says, i would tell them i had a threeyear undercover relationship with you over the internet that was heavily sexual and that i had met you twice while married and had sex with you on two different occasions and that i exchanged inappropriate photographs and videos with you that i wouldnt like to be seen made public, that you still apparently had all of those and were in a position to use them in a way that would negatively affect my career. Thats the truth. David jolly, when you hear that and in the congressmans own voice and you consider that nancy pelosi told Anthony Weiner he had to go, is this a situation of paul ryan comes in and does the same thing that nancy pelosi did . It may be. And, lawrence, listen. Theres a difference offalability and criminality. We are all fallible. I certainly am myself. We are seeing two things emerge from the National Conversation and two important themes that emerged. One is beginning to see different degrees of offenses. Theyre all wrong. Every single one of them is wrong. Right . But theres a difference between the predatory nature of it, donald trump and a roy moore and the behavior of, say, an al franken and still wrong but a different degree of Sexual Harassment or Sexual Assault. And that is important because as the number of cases emerge, we need to assess who are the different degrees of criminality and fallibility and other thing to see and probably most important, we are seeing a variance of responses. We are seeing roy moore and as indira say yell fake news an attack the victims and the credibility of the women but were also seeing people like al franken saying it was wrong, i admit it, im asking for forgiveness and say to the women thank you for coming forward and i accept an investigation into myself. We need to see that emerge in the national culture. Men accepting responsibility. Joe barton has a choice tonight. Does he own this or not . David jolly and tim miller, thank you for joining us. Coming up, before hitting the golf course this morning, the president used his precious time to attack the father of a College Basketball player on twitter proving that president ial time is no longer precious. When you have a cold stuff happens. Shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. We are continuing our breaking News Coverage of a the Washington Post report coming out minutes ago under the headline congressman told woman he would report her to Capitol Police if she exposed his secret sex life, that congressman is texas Republican Congressman joe barton. Joining the conversation now, eugene robinson, opinion writer for the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst and Indira Lakshmanan with the boston globe is still with us. This is the extraordinary report and began with a report that congressman barton with photographs out there of his genitalia revealed online. And i just want to reread the lead of the Washington Post article so the audience can process this. It says that representative joe barton who apologized on wednesday for a lewd photo of hin on the internet told a woman whom he had sent sexually explit sit videos and messages to report her to the Capitol Police if she exposed his behavior according to an audio recording of the Washington Post. The quoets from the recording are truly explosive. There is a recording here and i think we can trust that the Washington Post got this dialogue right. Yeah. Im sure. Story says that our reporter heard the tape and so im sure im sure that its right. Theres a context here that im not entirely clear on. Ive read the story quickly. And so, its clear that representative barton on the tape makes a threat to go to the Capitol Police and to start an investigation. Its not clear what the antecedent is and happened before that. Is she threatening to expose a relationship and his is she threatening that she will do that if he doesnt do Something Else . Im not clear on that part of the story. That is whos extorting whom here. That is something that congressman barton alleges in his comments to the Washington Post. Im going to read what the congressman said. He said, the woman admitted that we had a consensual relationship, barton said, when i ended that relationship she threatened to publicly share my private photographs and intimate correspondence in retaliation. As the transcript reflects. I offered to take the matter to the Capitol Police to open an investigation. Today the Capitol Police reached out to me and offered to launch an investigation and i have accepted. Because of the pending investigation, we will have no further comment. And indira, that says to me theres absolutely no avoid answer of a house Ethics Committee investigation, also. Right. I mean, that could be headed off by a possible resignation. I mean, representative barton had already said earlier today before this even came out when all we were dealing with at that point is a nude selfie, we had said that he would step back and take time to consider his actions and everything which to me sounded like somebody who was sort of giving in and potentially backing out of his seat. I mean, i do want to stress again he was trying to distinguish hix from the far worse allegations against roy moore, you know, essentially saying at least im not a pedophile. This was an adult, consensual relationship. It is interesting and i think youre absolutely right it opens up an ethics investigation if he doesnt step down before that himself. I think the Washington Post lawrence, i thought by the way that we had established with Anthony Weiner that if youre a member of the u. S. Congress it is a very, very bad idea to have pictures of your genitalia on you know, on the internet. Have them send them by electronic means to anyone. And one would think that most members of congress had learned that lesson. And, Anthony Weiner was sending pictures to people, adults who were engaged in this communication with him. So it and the crime that Anthony Weiner is currently serving time for is something he committed years after nancy pelosi forced him to resign. Correct. The Washington Post reports that the woman said she never had any intention to use the materials to retaliate against barton and i just want to read once again what apparently the Capitol Police will find out in this investigation, if they speak to congressman barton, because he said on tape to the woman in this phone call, she said to him, what would you say to the Capitol Police if you get them to intervene . And he said this. I would tell them that i had a threeyear undercover relationship with you over the internet that was heavily sexual and that i had met you twice while married and had sex with you on two different occasions and that i exchanged inappropriate photographs and videos with you that i wouldnt like to be seen made public. That you still apparently had all of those and were in a position to use them in a way that would negatively affect my career. Thats the truth. And, gene, if thats the truth and thats what he wants to tell the house Ethics Committee, i dont know how he holds on to the seat. Yeah. I think it puts him in a difficult position. I think both of these people frankly will find themselves in difficult position. I dont know where this woman is. I assume she might be in texas. Texas has a law against what is commonly known as revenge porn. So she could face some legal difficulties. Certainly authorities will want to know how those that photograph came into the public eye. 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What passes for thought in the pundit class is usually simply an exchange of cliches, especially if those cliches were used as effective sounding explainers of any previous election. And the one thing on which all pundit cliches are based is an assumption about the fundamental decency of the American Voter and not just some American Voters offer most American Voters but the fundamental decency of all American Voters and so it is inconceivable in the conventional wisdom of pundit world, for example, that racists could elect a president of the United States. And since most members of the pundit class in the 21st century have grown up without personally witnessing at close range anything they recognize as racist and since they live in places like new york and washington, d. C. At great distances from the voters in the states that tip the Electoral College one way or the other, they live in fear of sounding elitist attributing any negative or nasty motivation to any American Voter anywhere. And so, youve heard a lot about those white voters who tip the Electoral College to donald trump in places they were hoping donald trump would bring back the steel mills and other jobs that have gone the way of the blacksmith in those towns. The latest entry in the explainers of the trump vote may be the most important yet. It is adam serwers article of the nationalists delusion. Mandatory reading for anyone to know how we got to here. Adam serwer writes, a majority of white voters backed a candidate who assured them that they will never have to share this country with people of color as equals. That is the reality that all americans will have to deal with and one that most of the country has yet to confront. Joining us now, adam serwer, Senior Editor for the atlantic and back with us, eugene robinson. Adam, make the case for us as quickly as you can, the case this has been largely ignored by most of the analysis of the trump vote. Well, look. I just want to say a lot of these people that i spoke to genuinely struggling and the solutions that trump was offering, essentially solutions offers to use state violence against religious and ethnic minorities, wouldnt have appealed to them if they had not possessed some level of racial an mouse and not made sense and why so many people voted for the other candidate. But its also impossible to explain Donald Trumps victory, you know, without that ideological lens. And whenever this comes up, gene, if you say anything about the racism that exists within the trump vote, youre immediately accused of calling all trump voters racist. Exactly. But in an election where he came in second distant second in the 3 million voters and managed to squeak out the Electoral College, every little vote counted and to take away racially motivated votes, donald trump wouldnt be president. No way to be president without racially motivated votes. Lawrence, as you know, i didnt grow up in manhattan. I grew up in South Carolina and South Carolina is where lee atwater was from. Architect of the Republican Partys southern strategy which began in 1968 which essentially was a naked appeal to unreconstructed southern white racism that brought southern whites into the Republican Party where they have remained since. It was an extraordinary political move by then president Richard Nixon and it has proved enduring. And so, the idea that race plays a major factor in our elections, president ial elections isnt new to those of us who know that history. But clearly it is new to some people. They have managed to conveniently forget it. Adam, your piece is possibly the most thorough explainer of the trump vote and it also thank you, lawrence. Seems to explain why trump voters stick with donald trump even when he fails at some of the policy things he promised to do or just ignores some of the policy promises that he made as a candidate. Well, yeah. I mean, i think its really interesting. To the extent trump pursued a muslim ban, a crackdown on immigration not simply gone after criminals but gone after, you know, dads taking the kids to school, you know, hes pulled back on policing the police. I mean, to a large extent, trump has, you know, hes engaged in these big culture war type conflicts with, say, black professional athletes or other, you know, prominent black public figures. I mean, i think in some ways trump is running the administration he promised. Or at least in the ways that mattered a lot to the people who voted for him. But, gene, in another recent examination of the trump voters and attitude toward him today in pennsylvania, these were people who were saying they never expected him to bring back the steel jobs but, boy, they really do love it taking on the nfl players. Yeah. Yeah. Which is which is extraordinary. But there it is. I mean, he drove a cultural wedge. And race was a big part of that. I think its very clear. He drew a line and said, you know, we want to go back to america the way it was and that to a lot of people meant when it was a whiter america. And when it wasnt it was a less latino america, when it seemed simpler. That appeal obviously doesnt connect with africanAmerican Voters or latino voters but connected with a lot of white voters. Adam, you stress how important trumps birtherism attacks on president obama were in establishing his credentials in many ways with the voters. You say birtherism was nationalism, a statement of values and a definition of who belongs in america by bracing the Conspiracy Theory of obamas faith and foreign birth and embracing a definition of being america that excluded the first black president. Yeah. I mean, look. I think birtherism is sort of in a way its this incredibly complex statement of what the ideal american is not supposed to be an its not supposed to be, you know, a black man whens is son of a muslim immigrant whose name is barack obama. A key aspect of this is trump proposed discriminatory policies and called himself the least racist person you have ever met. I think the combination of two things is really important, both, you know, saying i want to pursue this racist policy and also being outraged at any possible suggestion he would be discriminating. Gene, Going Forward from here, theres the question of how trump opponents, how Democrats Campaign against this and with a solid Democratic Campaign it seems conceivable that you could isolate this kind of support in such a way that the democrats could get the Electoral College votes they need. I think its entirely possible, lawrence. You know . Obviously we dont know what will happen between now and the next election but keep in mind barack obama did win both the electoral and the popular vote twice by much larger margins than donald trump won and, of course, donald trump lost the popular vote. So you know, i see this as a reaction to the fact that the country is changing and the country will continue to change. The country will continue to change demographically and culturally and that arc of history is against this sort of back ward looking and in some respects outrightly racist point of view that trump projects for his voters. Its moving away from that and i will continue to. 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Download the new words with friends 2 today. The former director of the United States office of government ethics walter shub is accusing Kellyanne Conway of violating the hatch act because of an interview on for example news and preventing them from attempting to influence the outcome of an election through the position while on duty or on government property, tied to their official capacity. This is and im about to submit to you Kellyanne Conway on video, which is something i dont usually put you through but this is exhibit a in the case against Kellyanne Conway. Folks, dont be fooled. He will be a vote against tax cuts. Hes weak on crime. Weak on borders. Strong on raising your taxes. Terrible for property owners. So vote roy moore. A liberal and why he is not saying anything and why the media are trying to boost him. Vote roy moore . Im telling you that we want the votes in the senate to get this tax tax bill through. A white house spokesperson defended conway the politico saying she did not advocate for or against the election of a candidate an specifically declined to encourage alabamans to vote a certain way. She was speaking about issues and support for the president s agenda. President george w. Bushs chief ethics lawyer richard painter said this is the second time that conway has broken the law. Richard painter joins us next. chris the very first time i met bruce i saw on his lapel hes got a purple heart. bruce we started talking about the service. I outrank him. chris [laughs] yeah. Meals on wheels reaches so many people. Its impactful beyond anything ive ever done in my life. bruce the meals and his friendship really mean, means a lot to me. vo through the subaru share the love event, weve helped deliver over onepoint seven million meals to those in need. 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Thighs absolute nonsense. She repeatedly said negative things about mr. Jones whos the democratic candidate for senator down there in alabama. She was telling voters not to vote for doug doug jones. And she was talking positively about roy moore, saying that they needed roy moores vote in the senate to get tax reform approved. We know what was going on. She was advakting for the defeat of doug jones and for the election of roy moore to United States senate. She was doing it on the white house lawn in an official capacity interview. Thats a violation of the hatch act. Its been around since 1939. Makes it very clear that a United StatesGovernment Employee in the executive branch may not use his or her official position to advocate for or against a candidate in a partisan election. The only exception is the president of the United States and the vice president. Every other executive Branch Employee is under the hatch act. The presumptive penalty is firing. We already have the violation of government of Office Ethics violations a few months ago when she was showing interest for ivanka clothing and jewelry on fox and friends. And the office of government ethics found she had violated those. The hatch act is lot more serious than showing ivanka clothing on the television. Its a serious violation. In the Bush White House we would have fired somebody on the spot for that. How is it enforced . How is the hatch act enforced the. At the office of special counsel well investigate, the former director of the office of ethics has failed a complaint with the office of special counsel. They will investigate. But in this case we see the violation right there on camera. You just played it. Everyone can see it. I dont see theres very much to investigate. She violated the hatch act. Its cut and dry on this point. And does this end up in court, or how is it finally adjudicated . Now, the special counsel would come to its conclusions, i would hope relatively quickly because its quite clear, and then they would inform the president. And its up to the president to discipline an employee here. The office of specialal counsel could make a recommendation, could pressure the president to take disciplinary action. But its going to be very hard, if President Trump does not want to enforce the law, and here we have a second offense by a senior employee within less than a year, and if he doesnt want to enforce the law and fire employees who are not abiding by the law, then congress where going to have to take it up with him. And this is going be yet one more instance in which he has shown hes not fit to be president. This has happened before with kellyanne, and the white house didnt do anything. As a matter of fact they wrote a letter to thaoffice of government of ethics saying the rules dont apply to the white house, which is very, very false. It seems with the white house statement being put out tonight, saying what she said was perfectly legal, that probably will be Donald Trumps view of it when the case gets to him if it does. Professor richard painter, thank you very much for skrojoining u. I really appreciate it. Thank you. And tonights last word is a very special last word about president john fits Gerald Kennedy who on this day in 1963 was assassinated in dallas. And it really shows. Weve got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. Had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. Usaa was there handson very quick very prompt. I feel like were being handled as people that actually have a genuine need. Were the webber family and we are usaa members for life. Usaa, get your insurance quote today. I tabut with my back paines, i couldnt sleep and get up in time. Then i found aleve pm. Aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. 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Brendens Elementary School in boston when the nones got the news the president has been killed, the first catholic president , something the older nones had never expected to see. Now they had outlived the catholic boy they would so proud. They closed school early and sent us home. We had never seen them cry before. We were all crying when the nones got us into our lines to march us out to the sidewalk. Everyone we saw was crying. Every driver stopped at every traffic light. Men carrying tool bags were cry, men carrying brief kagss were crying, subway cars were filled with people crying who had left work early to go home and cry with their families and watch the kennedy deal unfold on tv. We watched bobby holding his brothers widows hands that night when she arrived back in washington wearing her pink bloodstained clothes. Nothing could ever happen in this world to make us forget those images which were only four years old in 1967 when bobbys audiences started chanting run, bobby, run. After Bobby Kennedy did decide to run for president in 1968 he worried he might provoke another copycat assassin going for another kennedy. Jackie kennedy was worried, too. Do you know what i think will happen to bobby, she asked . The same thing that happened to jack. Thats tonights last word. The 11th hour with Brian Williams starts now. We have news on the russia front tonight. For starters, what really happened in that Oval Office Meeting with donald trump, the two sergeis and only Russian Media on hand . New details from vanity fair tonight on that controversial encounter. Plus a one time business associate of mike flynn now a subject of the mueller investigation. The reporter who broke that story with us tonight. And trump spent nearly five hours at his golf club today, but the white house did not want us to refer to as a lowkey day for the president. The 11th hour on thanksgiving eve begins now. And on this wednesday night good evening once again from our nbc headquarters here in new york. Day 307 of the trump administration. And as the president begins his thanksgiving holiday, there is news tonight on key players and events in the overarching russia investigation. First, we begin with former National Security advisor and retired general Michael Flynn who