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Russia is fake news. The fbi is investigating whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russias efforts. The answer continues to be. No. He is now accusing president barack obama of wiretapping his phones during the campaign. There was no such wiretap activity. There is no one that he is willing to spare in defaming to distract us from the uncomfortable questions around russia. The whole russian thing, thats a ruse there. Are investigations. These are not hoaxes. The time for trivial fights is behind us. This is the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. Its coming together beautifully. We are united on repeal. But we are divided on replacement. The freedom caucus, they are really trying to get they are not ready. At the end of the day, we cant force somebody to vote. I told them the best thing to do is to pull this bill. I think we have to let obamacare go its way for a little while. Don and eric are going to be running the company. Theyre not going to discuss it with me. We have a southern white house influence. Its all unacceptable. Im not, and i dont want to be the president of the world. Im distrustful of how quickly he switched. I dont change. Well, i do change. And i am flexible. And im proud of that flexibility. If anything, the doctrine would be impulsiveness. Better behave. The era of strategic patience is over. What is that going to be . Youll see. Tonight, a special edition of the last word, 100 days of conflicts. Since donald trump was sworn in, he has had conflicts with congress, conflicts with his own party, conflicts with the courts, conflicts with his own promise, conflicts with foreign countries, conflicts among his white house staff, conflicts with president obama and the directors of the fbi and the nsa over his tweeted accusation that president obama wire tapped trump tower. Conflicts over his tax returns, and conflicts of interest in his continuing forprofit businesses. Over the course of the next hour, well be joined by experts analyzing all of those areas of conflict. Which conflicts has the president handled well . Which conflicts has the president handled badly . Which conflicts are Getting Better . Which flicks are getting worse . Well begin with what may be the president s biggest conflict, his conicter with history. The htory of how the president ial election of 2016 was won, and how much influence over that election was russia able to exert to help donald trump win the presidency. That question is being investigated by the fbi, the Senate Intelligence committee, and the House Intelligence Committee. The fbi investigation is the most potent and the most silent. The fbi has all of the legal powers and resources that it needs to caulk thorough investigation of the trump russia connection. But its investigation is likely to remain silent as for as long as it takes to either produce criminal charges or possibly a report by director comey similar to the unprecedented report that he issued in the investigation of Hillary Clintons state Department Emails. The House Intelligence Committee investigation got off to the worst possible start with Committee Chairman devin nunes now sidelined from that investigation and himself under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for his own peculiar behavior with the white house and President Trump regarding materials that he said were relevant to this investigation. The Senate Intelligence Committee Investigation was considered the best hope for a solid bipartisan investigation that would produce public results. We will consider now the prospects for all three of those investigations, beginning with the Senate Intelligence Committee Investigation, which according to tim maks reporting in the daily beast today is not running as professionally or as quickly as it could be. Joining us now, tim mak, Senior Correspondent for the daily beast. Tim, your big reveal today was the small number of Committee Personnel staff that are working on this, and none of them assigned to it full time. Thats right. The thing that we reported in the daily beast today is that they have seventaffers th are working on the russia probe that looks at russian interference in the u. S. Election and into possible trumprussia ties. Now what is interesting about this, none of these seven staffers are working on it full time. And what i mean by that is they have other responsibilities on the committee. They have oversight responsibilities. Many of them have a lot of other work to do monitoring intelligence activities and cant focus fulltime on the trumprussia probe. And there is actually among those seven individuals, none of them has any expertise in prosecutions or in complex investigations. And tim, one of the surprising biofacts about these Staff Members that you discovered is none of them are lawyers. And its actually hard to collect seven Staff Members on Senate Committees and not find a lawyer among them. Well, there are lawyers on the committee. But of the seven individuals that have been identified by the chairman who are looking in to the trumprussia inquiry, none of them have law degrees. In fact one must be a little bit busy because this individual who is one of the seven goes to law school part time. Tim, quickly, your report seems to have gotten a reaction today because didnt the committee announce today that they are bringing on two more staff . I think that was in the works. And i think a lot of democrats who wanted the investigation to move more quick ly glad to hear this news. The thing is these two individuals, theyre not primary investigators like the other seven that i discussed. They also will have other responsibilities. So their work on the Russian Investigation will have to be parttime as well. Were joined now by matthew miller, former spokesperson for attorney general eric holder and former director of the office of Public Affairs for the department of justice. Also ned price, fmer senior director and spokesperson for the National Security council. He resigned from the cia after the election of President Trump. Ned price, in your experience with the Senate Intelligence committee, what do you make of their staffing arrangement for this investigation . Well, lawrence, i think the fact of the matter is a Senate Committee can move only as fast as the majority. And in this case, there are certainly some republicans who do not want to see this investigation move forward. We saw that very clearly on the house side with devin nunes. And we saw a pause of weeks as that caper was worked out, his collusion with the white house staff. Now on the senate side, weve seen comedy between senator warner and senator burr. But at the same time senator warner and his staff can only move as fast as the majority is willing to take them in this case. Matthew, there is this report in tims story that is interesting about possible witnesses. It says the committee has sent letters to various individuals and entities to ask them to preserve documents relevant to the investigation. Carter page, roger stone and federal agencies have reportedly been among the subjects of these requests. What are the legal implications of those requests . I think what theyre trying to do is put people on notice that if you destroy documents after receiving this notice, you can potentially be charged with obstructing of justice. That was their way of at least showing, trying to show the world that they are taking this investigation seriously. But i think what tims reporting and other reports we have seen today shows is that chairman burr might not be. And you go back to february when we found out that chairman burr had gotten on the phone with reporters to try to knock down stories about russia at the white houses request. And thin you saw after that, you saw him try to double down, try to redouble his efforts and show that he was cducting a fair investigation. He sent these letters to potential witnesses. But now we see a couple of months later that the committee is not even doing anything. Theyre not even off the ground. Really has to call into question what his objective is here. We have a new nbc news wall street journal poll saying a nonpartisan commission is the preferred choice of 73 of the people responding in that poll. Congress, 16 . Then there is 8 of those who dont want an investigation. But ned price, what is fascinating about that, 73 want an independent commission. That 73 is composed of a significant number of trump voters. You cant get to 73 without having a bunch of trump voters in there. So those voters arent saying lets be defensive about this and not discover what happened. Even they are interested. Even they realize, lawrence, that this is an issue that transcends party lines. Look, this is an issue that gets to the heart who have we are as a democracy, how our democratic system works. Its at the core of our electoral system here, how we elect the leader of the free world, the individual that i should say should be the leader of the free world. And the mechanics behind that. And i think its heartening to see that more than 70 of americans want this. But its also at the same time very disheartening that Republican House and Senate Leadership are still not among that 73 . And that is frankly what needs to change. There is another nbc news report tonight about the House Oversight committee members. Tomorrow theyre going to be allowed to view the documents involving Michael Flynn. The reports saying members of the House Oversight committee were notified today that they may go view classified documents related to Lieutenant General Michael Flynn tomorrow on capitol hill. Tim mak, whats the significance of that . Well, its hard to say right now. And its interesting that its not the House Intelligence Committee. Its the House Oversight and government reform committee, which has general oversight abilities. So this could have to do with an issue of conflicts of interest as opposed to an intelligence issue. I dont want to speculate too much what theyre going to see tomorrow because i dont know what it is theyre going to see. But its a really interesting development, right . That it extends beyond the original House Intelligence Committee investigation into the ties between the possible ties between russia and the trump team. Matthew miller, i want to go to the fbi investigation, which we learned a lot about in a way this weekend in the New York Times report which was about both the fbi investigation of Hillary Clintons state Department Email and the fbi investigation of the Trump Campaign connections to russia. We discovered both of those were going on at the same time. But the fbi investigation, even though it has the most the strongest investigative powers is also the one were going know the l about. What should we be looking for or what will we know as that investigation moves along . How long would we expect it to last . I think it could potentially take months, maybe a year. These investigations are very slow moving. They have to talk to witnesses, not just here, but potentially all around the globe. You know, when they start looking at this type of situation, theyre looking at possible collusion, but they go to someone like Paul Manafort who might be a potential witness. And they start looking at any problem he might have. And weve seen from some of the leaks that he has a lot of problems. And theyll look to try to put pressure on all of the potential players in this case so they have the incentive to talk. It could take months and we wont know much of what has been done. When this investigation is done, if the fbi quietly closes the case, the precedent they set is that every document they gathered, all of the interviews they did with witnesses, they need to turn all that information over to congress, and eventually it needs to be made public. Thats the precedent they set for the clinton investigation. And that one is far, far more significant. Matt miller, before we go, on the fbi, this weekend in the New York Times, we read this massive article that this details the interactions between director comey and attorney general lynch over Hillary Clintons email investigation. What is the relationship now between the attorney general and the fbi director on an investigation that could involve the attorney general . At some point it could be pointing to the attorney general in some capacity with the Trump Campaign. Yeah, absolutely. So the attorney general, Jeff Sessions obviously has recused himself from this investigation. He is not involved in it at all. But at the same time, you keep hearing that he sessions is pushing the fbi to crack down on leaks, to look at leaks that are connected to this case, which if so is completely inappropriate. If youre out of this case you should have nothing to do with it you. Should have nothing to do with any leaks about any information in the case. And as you said, see a potential witness. He was involved in the campaign a there are some reports he might have been involved in bringing carter page into the campaign. Its a very ugly situation. I think its why there has to be some prosecutorial oversight that is outside of the Justice Department. It cant just be the Deputy Attorney general who when confirmed as another political appointee. It has to eventually be a special prosecutor, someone who can work with the fbi and make an independent call about whether or not to bring charges. Tim mak, matt miller, ned price, thank you all for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, we will take a close look at President Trumps private buness conflicts of interest. Just tonig the state Department Web page advertising one of the trump businesses had to shut down that web page. And President Trump has dropped all of his threats toward china. Is that because of his loans with the bank of china . 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Just today we learned that the state department has been illegally promoting Donald Trumps hotel club in florida where he spends his weekends. The u. S. Embassies in the United Kingdom and albania and possibly elsewhere displayed the president s business in florida on their websites and call it the winter white house. The state Department White house was doing the same thing. It later removed that post from its website. Senator ron wyden said today why are taxpayer dollars promoting the president s private country club . But then there are Donald Trumps chinese loans that he may or may not have renegotiated in his private meeting with the president of china. And then there are Donald Trumps russianbacked loans that he might or might not be renegotiating with Vladimir Putins help there is Donald Trumps daughter ivanka obtaining three chinese trademark rights on the very same day that she had dinner with the chinese president in florida. There are the trump towers, both of them, that he is very proud of in istanbul, which might have been the reason or a reason that he called to congratulate the president of turkey on winning a referendum that would increase his powers and decrease democracy in turkey. A congratulations call that no other leader in the western world made. Joining us now to survey the trump conflicts of interest, david kay johnsson johnston, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who founded an administration that covers the trump administration. Richard painter, professor of law at the university of minnesota and a professional on legal ethics. David, you have written books on donald trump and his businesses. You have free rein to give us your top, say, two, three, four maybe conflicts, business conflicts that you see remaining as of tonight with President Trump. The biggest thing, lawrence, is the supposed blind trust. Its a eyes wide open blind trust through which all of his businesses are run. And his children have already reveed, one of his sons they tell dad about the business. So lets stop the nonsense that there is a blind trust here. The second one that bothers me is that washington hotel. You want a favor from the president of the United States, youre not going to go stay at any other luxury hotel. Youre going to go to the trump hotel in the old post office. And david, just to stay on the blind trust for a moment, what blind trust could ever erase from Donald Trumps knowledge that he has trump towers in istanbul . What could change his knowledge about that so that when he makes that call to the president of turkey, he knows what businesses he has there . Right. There is no way to resolve this at all except for all these assets being sold. And being sold in a way that there is disclosure after the fact. And we should be deeply disturbed that the only leader of a democracy who called erdogan to praise him on basically getting closer to being a dictator is donald trump, who by his own account has a conflict of interest, a big conflict of interest. Richard painter, you explain to us with your government experience why the gs aokgsa o Donald Trumps ownership of that hotel in washington even though the lease said a Public Office hold kerr not hold that lease . Im still trying to figure out why they did. I read their opinion, and it puts form over substance. The president says the money is being paid to a trust, which he is a beneficiary. So i guess that means the money is not paid to him. So we have off Balance Sheet financing here for this hotel, just like we did with enron at wilcom. If we dont see through the phony trusts and realize that the money is going to the president , then were not addressing the conflicts of interest. And the gsa is not doing its job. Theyre just wrong in their conclusion on that. And richard, how do you see Donald Trumps refusal to release his tax returns as part of the complex of the conflicts of interest questions . Thats done enormous damage. First we have the russia problem already because of proven espionage by the russians in the United States with the apparent involvement of some americans. We dont know who yet and we dont know how close they were to the Trump Campaign. But we need to know what financial ties our president has to russia and to other Foreign Governments. And that can only be disclosed by finding out the sources of financing in the companies he owns that information is not in his public Financial Disclosure form. A lot of information would be in his taxes. And he refuses to release them that is a serious problem. And also tax reform is dead on arrival if he doesnt disclose those tax. Because every idea he comes up with, were all going to be asking oh, yeah, is he doing that in order to lower his own taxes . Were not going to know that unless he discloses the tax returns. David, what do you expect in the next years of the Trump Presidency in this category of news, conflicts of interest, with his children, with donald trump himself, and do you expect that the news media will just get used to this and just start accepting something, not one item of which would have been accepted with any other president . One of the problems here in terms of news is that while advertising shows you the same message over and over and over again to get it in your head, in the news business, we tend to say well, we told you that now lets move on to something else. Inhis case we need to have a steady drip, drip, drip and occasionally floodgate full of information coming out. Because this is totally and completely inimical to the ideas of the framers of this country. An if we get that, thats just the starting point. Then you need to have auditors looking at the books and records supporting what he put on his tax return. Richard painter, what do you see as the legal prospects for enforcement of the emoluments clause on the president . Well, we first have the litigation that i and Laurence Tribe and norman eisen have brought on behalf of citizens for responsibility in ethics in washington. We are asking a judge in new york to require the president to disclose the Foreign Government payments that he is receiving, and then to decide which of those payments are in violation of the constitution. So thats one route. The other route is congress. If congress can get its act together actually investigate where the Foreign Government money is coming from. But thus far, we have no serious investigations going on in congress. Im very disappointed whats going on there. Richard painter and david cay johnston, thank you both for joining us. Thank you. 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The mission of the United Nations and the u. N. Security council is to maintain International Peace and security. The status quo in north korea is also unacceptable. And the council must be prepared to impose additional and stronger sanctions on north Korean Nuclear and Ballistic Missile programs. This is a real threat to the world, whether we want to talk about it or not. North carolina is a big world problem. Its a problem we have to finally solve. People put blindfolds on for decades. And now its time to solve the problem. The president also spoke today to the president who he believes controls north korea, president xi of china. President xi put out a Statement Today asking that all sides, quote, exercise restraint and not, quote, exacerbate tensions on the peninsula. The white house has scheduled an unusual briefing on wednesday night for all 100 members of the United States senate on the situation in north korea, and the administration is taking new steps against syria after the sarin gas attack on civilians earlier this month. Today the white house imposed sanction on 271 employees of the Syrian Government agency it said produces chemical weapons. Those sanctions freeze any assets those employees may have in the United States. Were joined now by john mclaughlin, former acting director of the cia, a 36year veteran of the cia. John mclaughlin,his is the area where donald trump has had some successes, at least from the publics view of things. For example, on the action he took in syria, the military action, the poll shows 62 support that action. 33 oppose that action. Lets start first with your scorecard of how the president has handled the situation with syria. Well, the Cruise Missiles strike was popular, but they always are popular, unless there is some civilian casualties associated with them. Its not a difficult thing for a president to decide. Very little risk involved. The broader issue in syria is well beyond Cruise Missile strikes. In fact, all of the problems with the middle east converge in syria, and were not doing well there overall. Let me just run through two or three things that i think we have to work through if the administration decides to develop a broader approach to syria. First, we have to work against some of the facts on the ground that russia and iran have established. Russia has 4,000 troops there approximately. They have dozens of combat aircraft. The iranians have 7,000 of their own troops there and control a coalition of about 20,000 more. We have at present about a thousand troops and news reports which i think are accurate say another thousandr so are filtering in. Ths point one. Quickly point two is that were not very wellpositioned in the diplomatic maneuvering. Russia has really taken this over. Weve been excluded from the maneuvering to find a political settlement, which is how syria will be settled. Now secretary mattis is in the middle east now. And i give him some credit for trying to restore or establish american credibility there. But id say the score Scotland Yard on syria right now is not great. Its not as bad as it could be. But its not good. And i guess this is a twopart question. How do you see the president handling the conflict with north korea . And what used to be his conflict with china, which he has now put aside in the hopes of getting help from china with north korea . Well, i think the way i would summarize the north korean situation is it could be worse. In other words, i think his team has put together a series of steps that are hold the potential to move the situation in a positive direction. Now the messaging from the administration could be a lot more precise and a lot more clear. I wont run through it. But if you look at everything that everyone says, theyre kind of still all over the map. Our messaging needs to be actually very simple and very clear. Here is what we want. We want no nukes and no icbms. And point two, were not taking anything off the table. And then i wouldnt say much more than that. But if you look at what theyre actually doing, tlhere is a combination of pressures and deterrents that may help, and i think the chinese actually have a lot of incentives to work with us on this. They dont want a nuclear peninsula. They have a relationship with the United States that they dont want to damage. 80 . Almost all of their we are the largest recipient of their exports. They dont want us to increase our Missile Defense capability there. And heaven knows, they dont want japan or south korea to go nuclear, which they could do very easily, particularly japan. One other point i would make on korea, we often forget its not our peninsula. Its the koreans peninsula. And the South Koreans have a lot to say about this there is an election under way there now. Its will be held may 7. Its neck and neck. One of the candidates said he would like to restart talks with four countries south korea, north korea, china and the United States. The other candidate says that if he is elected, he will open talks with kim jong un. So one of the things we often forget is the South Koreans have a voice in this too. I hope the administration is factoring that into their planning here. John mclaughlin, always enlightening. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you, lawrence. Coming up, the president s conflicts with congress. So far he has gotten nothing from congress that he told his voters he would get. And tonight the white house is admitting that President Trumps latest threat to congress has failed. Lets go, shes a dog. [ whimpers ] find pingpong. 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I would say to my friends in the house of representatives with whom i serve, do not walk the plank and vote for a bill that cannot pass the senate and then have to face the consequences of that vote. And after promising time and time again that mexico would pay foronald trumps wall, even when the president of mexico said absolutely not, donald trump turned to congress. And last week was threatening a Government Shutdown of congress did not pay for his wall. And tonight President Trump has surrendered on the wall once again. Senior white house official tells nbc news the president is now prepared to wait until september, at least, to get funding for his wall. Joining us now former republican congressman david jolly from florida. Also joining us jerry reid, host of am joy weekend. The conflicts with congress have been stung. Yep. And he hasnt even gotten out of the republican gate, meaning he has been stopped by republicans. Yeah. It never got to the point where oh, the democrats now have to fight. Yeah. Nancy pelosi should join barack obama on vacation because there has been nothing for her to do. And the problem for donald trump because he hasnt been an actual republican or thought about policy for like ten minutes in his life before he became president is he didnt understand that he would walk into a washington where he was stuck between the dekeynesian bring back the work houses republicans, which is the freedom caucus, and the ones who just dont want to get thrown out of office for taking away Peoples Health care. And he couldnt figure out how to make that work. David jolly, this game they were playing for the last week or two about oh, were going to work on health care again, were going have a meeting tonight about what the new plan is, that just looked to me like they realized they made a mistake in publicly quitting when they lost in the house. Sure. And just wanted to go through the motions so they didnt get caught quitting. Now theyve got a lot of work to do. Presumably, health care is just going to finely get left behind. Theyll forget about that. But it looks like the conflicts are still there on tax policy, on pretty much everything Going Forward there are conflicts within the republican party. Well, there are. Youve been on the hill. You get this. For a president who is the author of the art of the deal, nobody has lost more deals many first 100 days than donald trump. Understand, i think he lost the negotiation before he was ever elected. Look, go back to business, right. I am sure when donald trump tried to close a deal on business, he took people on his private plane. He sent them his best bottle of scotch. He sent them cigars. Look what he did for the past 18 months in politics. He eviscerated the very people he is supposed to work with. And so now he is trying to negotiate something on very slim margins how. Do you get to 216 or 218 votes in the house of representatives . He cant do it. And joy is right. He doesnt understand policy. He doesnt practice in the finer details of policy. So he cant be the ideological leader on these issues either. He is a president without a constituency right now when it comes to capitol hill. And joy, it was so easy, for me and certainly others to predict during the campaign that no, mexico is not going to pay for the wall. And when you go to congress and ask them to pay for the wall, theyre going to stay to yay to they are now, you said mexico is paying for it. You must never say to congress youve got someone else to pay for it and then come to them to pay for it. And you run up against the fact that a lot of the promises, and you have talked about this right here on this very show that a lot of the promises trump made were complete bs. Come on, the idea that theyre going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay for is something that got rally crowds excited. There is no way to argue with republicans, especially ones that label themselves fiscal conservatives there is a reason why taxpayers should put forward something that you cant even get mexico, which he claims is the one who needs to pay for it. Ed on health care too. They only said repeal and replace obamacare. It was a talking point to fight barack obama. None of them want to deal with the consequences of really doing it. Now donald trump is saying lets cut the Corporate Tax rate to 15 . Were going show you paul ryan in december explaining why you cant do that. For you to be able to use reconciliation to notave a filibuster, it has to be deficit neutral. We have to have deficit neutral tax reform. 20 we know is deficit neutral. 20 gets us there. 15 isnt deficit neutral. And so, david, all that translates to is if you cut the corporate rate that low, youre going to lose tax revenue to such a degree that procedurally you wont be allowed to use the 50 vote strategy in the senate. Thats right. And tax reform is no easier than health care. Listen, the travel ban was a lie. Health care for all was a lie. The building the wall in mexico, paying for it is a lie. Tax reform is a lie. And here is listen, im a former republican member of congress who said we can never shut down the government. The responsibility of congress is to keep the government open. And i took tonight chin because conservatives would say well, if you keep the government open, youre funding obamacare. Well, guess what, republicans, who thought donald trump was your hero, this president on friday or next friday when they keep the government open, you Better Believe there is not a single dollar to build this great big wall. And there is going to be every single dollar that schumer wants to pay for subsidies for obamacare. Nothing has changed under this president despite his rhetoric. Lets take a look at one of the conflicts that this administration has had with the courts and what Jeff Sessions had to say about this. This is a huge matter. I really am amazed that a judge sitting on an island in the pacific can issue an order that stops the president of the United States from what appears to be clearly his statutory and constitutional power. Of course, joy, thats not the only judge who stopped the travel ban. All of them did. So if it had been a judge in manhattan, a federal judge in manhattan, that would have been okay . You know, it was all right when Jeff Sessions was a back bench sort of crank in congress who was spinning his crazy theories about how we were destroying the country with the wrong kind of immigrants in his crank world view. But now he is the attorney general. So his crank world view is now the official policy of the Justice Department of the United States. An island in the pacific. He cant help himself. I bet he doesnt understand that hawaii is a state. I bet you he doesnt. Former congressman david jolly, thank you for being with us. We appreciate it. Thank you. Joy, were going to need you coming up. Conflicts with donald trump. No one has disappointed donald trump more than donald trump. We will show you the video proof. Onboard cameras and radar can detect danger all around you. Driver assist systems can pull you back into your lane if drifting. Bye chief. Bye bobby. And will even help you brake, if necessary. It makes driving less of a production. Lease the gle350 for 579 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. Mercedesbenz. The best onothing. Hi, im frank. I take movantik for oic, opioidinduced constipation. Had a bad back injury, my doctor prescribed opioids which helped with the chronic pain, but backed me up bigtime. 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Donald trump has found himself on both sides of several issues. Heres a sample of that in tonights episode of trump versus trump. We are going to build a wall. Dont worry about that. And whose going to pay for the wall . Whos going to pay for the wall . Tweeting just a smort time ago, eventually but at a later date so we can get started early mexico will be paying in some form for the badly needed border wall. On my first day im going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous obamacare. Are you going to get it done in your first 1 4u7b days. Doesnt matter if its next week. Next week doesnt married. Isis will be gone if im elected president. And they will be gone quickly. They will be gone very, very quickly. It looks like another terrorist attack. And what canou say. Just never ends. We have to be strong. And we have to be vinl i willant and ive been saying it for a long time. What you are saying is assad can stay in power . 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Even nonridiculous Campaign Promises can barely survive actually being elected. But his are all ridiculous. When i would talk to trump voters i would say this isnt true, they go, well they all lie. Yeah. On the border wall when he said mexico is going the pay for it. Le it didnt mean they believed mexico was going to pay for it. It many he was going to be tougher on the southern border than anyone else. Are we going to end up with a wall. But he is going to be tougher than ib everybody else. It was a way to get the crowd excite. Its absurd for him team to go to capitol hill and pretend they should make that an actually policy. That was merely a rhetorical device. And trump voters even got that it was a rhetorical device. Arguing whether or not to make that into legislation, its crazy. Reminder, in 1988, when to be elected president bush was saying read my lips, no new taxes on the campaign trail, i had voters say i dont believe him but i dont think he will raise taxes as much as the democratic. Who did a chicken in every pot . Before my time. Truman. Like if he went to congress and i need you to put in an appropriion for chickenn a pot. I want to get your comment on where he was comparing his ratings on face the nation. He said his ratings were the highest since the World Trade Center came down. He is very, very proud of having the highest rating on that show since the World Trade Center how. I will quote ben howe, i dont think saying im the best thing since 9 11 is a good calling card. This is the same guy who lied and said he lost hundreds of friends on 9 11. Its hard to measure what is the most unconscionable, but stealing grief and claiming it as his own and then as the punchline. And the overzealous praise he got for calling out the widow whose husband died in the botched operation. He lacks empathy. He gives a purple heart to someone and says congratulations. He talks about 9 11 as a ratings point. He doesnt have that core of empathy. He doesnt seem to be able to summon human empathy. Its par for the course for him. All president s have to make reversals about pronouncements in terms of strategy, but for sim when the orinal pronounce member is so grandiose when he has to back up it looks more extreme. Donald trumps ratings, Donald Trumps tv exposure, Donald Trumps minutes on television, its embarrassing to be his national constituent. Heres what weve got. Joy reed gets the last words on Donald Trumps conflicts tonight. Thanks, appreciate it. I want to say a special good night to tom broderick, he and i were elementary classmates, altar boys together and we were in the church today in dochester for the last time. This was toms funeral today. We miss him already. Good night, tom. The 11th hour starts now. Tonight, pressure mounting on the Senate Committee investigating possible ties between team trump and russia. Another day, another Campaign Promise in doubt. News tonight about that big, beautiful wall donald trump promised to build. And pushback from his own party. And the vacations over for the countrys 44th president. His former press secretary weighs in tonight on a harsh new critique from a fellow democrat. The 11th hour begins now. Good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. Im micolle wallace. Brian has the night off. Its day 95th Trump Presidency and this white house is still dogged by questions about its ties to