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Talking about them, the clock starts ticking on the courthouse . Its been a little weird over the years. Bob mcdonald. I wasnt paying attention to mcdonald. Youre on it and suddenly he is on trial. Here we have everything i know, everything i know about governor bentley in alabama, i have learned from you. Because youre on tv the hour before me. Everything i know. I havent read a single article about it. Everything came from you. And tonight i watch him plead guilty on your show. Surrender to the lieutenant governor. I know. You know, lawrence, i promised tonight on the air well, i didnt promise. But i indicated that im likely to never play his super grossout sex tape again. But if you would like to borrow it, i am no longer going to use it. No i still have your version of it on a loop in the office. But rachel, seriously, the next time you Start Talking about a governor, can you in the first report give us your best guess about when that governor will be going to court . Like exactly how long it will take. Its a weird class picture that weve got up on the wall. Kitzhaber in oregon and blagojevich in illinois and mcdonnell and Chris Christie in bridgegate and now bob bentley. I know, its but you alone were on bentley. You alone. No one else saw anything there. That was yours. I just think hes cute. There had to be a reason. Thanks, rachel. Thanks, lawrence. Well, Donald Trumps National Security adviser wants to know what did Vladimir Putin know and when did he know it . Do you know what the trump doctrine is on Foreign Policy . Yeah, i think the trump doctrine is americas first. If anything, the doctrine would be impulsiveness. If youre an adversary of the United States and you dont worry about what trump may do on any given day, then youre crazy. Its really unclear now what the u. S. Policy is going forward. Were hopeful the Syrian People in fact will determine Bashar Al Assads fate. In way do we see peace in that area with assad as the head of the syrian government. If you gas a baby, if you put a barrel bomb in to innocent people, i think youd see a response from ts present. The air base that donald trp hit on thursday, the Syrian Regime has already flown a couple of planes out of it. What i think assad is telling trump by flying from this base, fyou. We rededicate ourselves to holding to account any and all who commit crimes against the innocents anywhere in the world. Ask russia how could it be that you didnt know that the Syrian Air Force was preparing and executing a mass murder attack with chemical weapons. The Associated Press tonight has duelling anonymous statements from the white house in the same article. One saying that the United States has concluded that russia knew in advance of syrias chemical weapons attack. And the other source saying no final american determination has been made that russia knew ahead of time that a chemical weapons would be used. There is no way to know which one of those statements is true. What no one in the white house is saying anonymously or otherwise is that we know that russia did not know about the chemical attack before it occurred. White house National Security adviser h. R. Mcmaster sounds like he doesnt believe it is even possible that russia did t know abo the checal attack ahead of time. What we should do is ask russia how could it be if you have advisers at that airfield that you didnt know that the Syrian Air Force was preparing and executing a mass murder attack with chemical weapons. Thats the question that i asked on this Program Friday night. How could it possibly be that Vladimir Putin did not know that his client, Bashar Al Assad was going to use chemical weapons. Chemical weapons that Vladimir Putin had promised the world no longer existed in syria. How could assad dare to expose the fact that he still had chemical weapons without Vladimir Putins permission to do that . General mcmasters question then raises another question. Why. Why would Vladimir Putin authorize the use of chemical weapons in syria . Why would president assad use chemical weapons when he was doing a perfectly good job of killing people, bombing hospitals, killing babies without chemical weapons . Another vitally important question is did the Trump Administration do anything to indicate to president assad and president putin that they were so intent on not intervening in syria in any way that putin and assad could get away with anything . A week before the attacks, Rex Tillerson was saying that president assads future should be decided by the Syrian People. Are you worried at all that was taken as a green light by assad to launch that chemical attack . George, i dont i dont see how that could be the case. This is not the first chemical attack launched by assad. In fact, there were two other chemical attacks. So this was just the latest in a series of violations. The other two attacks were minor compared to last weeks attack. And they occurred before Rex Tillerson publicly said that in effect he had no problem with anything assad was doing in syria. President assad, should he stay or should he go . I think the status and the longer term status of president assad will be decided by the Syrian People. Senator john mccain believes that saying things like that was a deadly mistake. Do you think the administration did anything to encourage this behavior by the syrians by saying that the Syrian People would determine assads fate, and that removing him is not a priority . Things that were said before the use of chemical weapons. I think it was partially to blame. I and secretary tillerson basically saying the same thing after kind of contradicting himself and saying the same thing argues vigorously for a plan and a strategy. So how does the Trump Administration really feel about regime change in syria . A regime change is something that we think is going to happen because all of the parties are going to see that assads not the leader that needs to be taking place for syria. In no way do we see peace in that area with assad as the head of the syrian government. So tonight the trump doctrine of Foreign Policy is finally clear. It was enunciated today by secretary of state Rex Tillerson in italy and sean spicer at the white house. Were going rededicate ourselves to holding to account any and all who commit crimes against the innocents anywhere in the world. Were not just going to become the worlds policeman running around the world, but we have to have a clear and defined National Interest wherever we act. And that its our National Security first and foremost that has to deal with how we act. Joining us now, steve clemmons, editor at large at the atlantic and an msnbc contributor. Also with us malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. And joan walsh, National Affairs correspondent at the nation and an msnbc political analyst. Malcolm, first to you on the question of what did Vladimir Putin know and when he know it. Do you share general mcmasters feeling that it seems to him very, very hard to believe that sad woulhave used chemical weapons without putin knowing it ahead of time . Yes, i share his point of view. And there is a reason that i do so. Principally because shayrat airfield is a very small airfield. It has two runways. It has 25 vetments. When you use chemical weapons on an aircraft, you to do very special handling. You have to have decontamination units that follow the aircraft. Everybody has to be wearing gas masks. You do not want to be on the flight line if one of these things exposes, right . So the russians would see all of this coming from the arsenal, move on to the aircraft, go to a special handling area, use special aircraft controls for it to take off, and then fly off on to its target and delivery. There is no way russia could not have known that. Also, we may have intelligence that comes from the ground on that base from the syrian level that indicates that they were either operating with the russians, maybe the russians were operating the decon units, the decontamination units, but there is just no way. We probably have very good intelligence. That comes from the mcmaster side. The political side is saying we dont know. So im going to go with the mcmaster camp on this one. Steve clemens, if you go to the spot where Vladimir Putin was aware of the chemical weapon attack ahead of time, told assad it was okay, in effect, both of those men, putin and assad had to think then what . Then what happens . What does the United States do . What does President Trump do . I think Vladimir Putin had if knew, and were speculating here. But if he knew, he had one of two things on his mind. One was to test the Trump Administration. I think there are a lot of players thought the world that want to test the Trump Administration and see what hell do. Or to change the conversation in the United States. And that gets very creepy if you go down that road. But i think that to some degree, you know, i agree with everything malcolm said. But perhaps more fervently, syria is a wholly owned russian subsidiary. Right. Nothing happens in that country without Vladimir Putin really signing off and knowing. You know, assad doing what he did is an embarrassment to russia if russia were in fact concerned about with the notion that they were supposed to have rid syria of all of its chemical weapons. So in my view, putin was either changing the conversation here in this country on the russia investigation of things or he was testing trump. And that takes it down this course. Because if you look at the attack that we made with those tomahawk missiles, it was a polite attack. We didnt crater the runway. We used excuses of the cost of the tomahawk missiles as an excuse for that. We made sure that most everyone was out of the way. It was a polite attack. It was a pinprick. And so if it was in fact supposed to be a deterring effect to preempt any further use of chemical weapons or the kinds of assaults against civilians that Bashar Al Assad was launching, then i think it was a failure. And so were left with this conundrum. And joan, everything steve just said, i was raising friday night on this program. I saw. And the next day the Washington Post was absolutely outraged that the question could even basked. They did this story, i dont know if it was in the print edition or online saying that i was advancing a Conspiracy Theory when i was asked a conspiracy question. Right. Which is a different thing. Steve just took a stronger position on it than i did. So steve, im warning you, the Washington Post. I was saying its calls for speculation. Exactly. But the Washington Post is coming to get you because apparently im not saying that happened. I understand. I understand. But apparently as of saturday morning, the Washington Post and others in the media were not even slightly interested in the question that general mcmaster raised. Without him raising it, im not sure anybody welcome, have taken it seriously. Would have gotten into the question of what did Vladimir Putin know in advance of this attack. And i have to say from the start, as i was watching the attack, it was inconceivable to me that Vladimir Putin would not know before assad did this, which then raises the question of motivation. And i think the lines that steve just drew or the hypothetical lines from that motivation made perfect sense. They do. Tragic sense. Tragic sense. And we are speculating. But otherwise, this makes no sense, lawrence. Thats your alternative. This makes no sense. The facts that we have putting them together, it makes no sense. Its not an air strike. It was like a facebook poke back in the old days. They could use the airstrip within 36 hours. And they are already using it. We dont know if our policy has changed. Nikki haley says one thing, yes, weve got to get him out. And Rex Tillerson says something very different. Says the policy hasnt changed. Then says we are going to go around the world protecting people. Whh i hadnt even seen. Owed, its stunning. Steve, to that point, Rex Tillerson today saying that we rededicate ourselves to basically rededicating ourselves to holding to account any and all who commit crimes against innocents anywhere in the world. And then sean spicer says were not going to be the policemen of the world. You know, in a certain sense, the explanation that putin is testing this white house could very well be true. Because youre seeing such odd, strange conflicting behavior and comments from people within, around donald trump. And youre seeing like h. R. Mcmaster really rise. Youre seeing nikki haley as the secretary of state we ought to have. And Rex Tillerson perhaps should be sent to another embassy near singapore. I mean, its one of these things when you sort of look at the demeanor and the posture, the comments from those around the president. Its clearly not being scripted. Mcmaster is asking exactly the right questions. He is putting forth exactly the right things. And you see an independence of mind and Critical Thinking and asking all the right things. So im heartened by that. Im heartened by nikki haley and how she has done this. But im not i have to say, tillers tillersonto some degree, and he is going to be in moscow, he is going to be talking to Vladimir Putin which is another odd moment in all this, it is bizarre. Its as if they were basically being given oral exams about Foreign Policy. And tillerson is just picking questions out of multiple choice possibilities. Malcolm, what have the russians learned about the Trump Administration . What did assad learn about the Trump Administration last week . Well, ill tell you, theyve gotten a lesson in futility out of this administration. That Cruise Missile attack, and ive taken part in attacks. Ive taken part in attack planning. We fired off the missiles. We hit the targets we aimed at. It was the targets we aimed at had zero effect to disable or destroy that air base. It had zero effect in killing or injuring any of the handling crews that actually effected that weapons attack. And it did not kill anybody related to the launch and recovery of those aircraft. Thats a mission failure. If you planned it that way, you planned for failure. Oh, finally, one other thing. We did not strike the chemical weapons. We didnt use any of the weapon systems we have in our inventory designed to destroy and consume chemical weapons with thermobaric effect. We didnt even try that. So the effect of that was to show that we have the ability to launch Cruise Missiles, which is ridiculous, because weve launched thousands of Cruise Missiles in the last 15 years. But for the russians and the syrians, they see that trump is just not playing serious. And one other thing, if i could just make one last point. When the syrians launched that chemical weapons strike using an aircraft, what did they intend to do other than to show project a message to the Trump Administration via the russians also that they have chemical weapons . It had no tactical effect on the ground. It just killed civilians. They could have done that with regular bombs. Thats a strategic decision made by assad. And assad cant make that decision without Vladimir Putin. They coordinated it. They tested it. And then trump responds by, one warn them that he was going to attack, letting them get off the base and not doing anything other than breaking up some concrete revetments. Mission failure. And at the end of all that, donald trump comes out on the right end of a poll. Washington post abc news poll, do you support President Trumps missile strike in syria . 51 support. 40 oppose. And joan walsh, when youre writing the full story, that is one of the spots where it ends is that donald trump was able to do something that the polls responded to in a positive way. And that pundits responded to for not all of us, but many of us in a positive way. Even some democrats responded to it in a positive way. Its like there was this pentup demand. Barack obama didnt do it. People were happy to see him do it. Even though it makes no sense and there is absolutely no strategy, apparent strategy behind it. But people have such a low bar now and seem to be invested in donald trump either making a pivot or appearing president ial. Simply when he does a thing that other president s have done like using missiles, he becomes president ial. The real president ial thing in my opinion is often restraint and would have been in this case. But hes got good poll numbers. Thats great. Were going do have to work on a break. Steve clemens, thanks for joining us tonight. Lets double underline. You were not asserting facts or in your first answer tonight. You were taking motivations and saying here is a logic set to apply to these possible motivations. Absolutely. Thank you, lawrence for making that absolutely leer. Apparently not all of our viewers in the press get that. Thank you, steve. Thank you. Coming up, big news in the investigation into the 2016 hacking of our election. A hacker who could know a lot about it was arrested in spain. Malcolm nance says that is a very big deal, and thats why were going to cover it closely in the show with malcolm nance. Because when he says something is a big deal, its a big deal. And President Trump promised that he would confront china on day one. This weekend, it wasnt exactly a confrontation. George will will join us on the Trump Presidency meeting reality once again. So youre having a party . How nice. Ill be right there. And the butchery begins. What am i gonna wear . This party is super fancy. Lets go. Im ready. Are you my uber . [ horn honks ] hold on. Dont wait for watchathon week to return. [ doorbell rings ] whos that . Show me netflix. Sign up for netflix on x1 today and keep watching all year long. For me its been a very interesting experience. But in the end, i think its going to be an experience that leads to an even Better Health care plan. Were going to go for tax reform, which ive always liked. 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The most common side effects of viberzi include constipation, nausea, and abdominal pain. Stay ahead of ibsd. With viberzi. Here is ow donald trump promised to deal with china during his president ial campaign. Ill bring back our jobs from china. We give state dinners to the heads of china. I say why are you doing state dinners for them . Theyre ripping us left and right. Just take them to mcdonalds and go back to the negotiating table. Seriously. Im going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china a currency manipulator. Any country that devalues their currency in order to take unfair advantage of the United States and all of its companies who cant compete will face tariffs and taxes to stop the cheating. Well, the one thing he stuck to is he didnt have a state dinner for the chinese president. But he didnt bring him to mcdonalds either. And he didnt even have a negotiating table. He brought him to a restaurant owned by donald trump so that President Trump could make a profit while talking to the chinese president during a dinner paid for by the United States government. There was no announcement after the dinner about how many jobs the president of china was sending back to the United States, and President Trump did not declare china to be a currency manipulator. There is no indication that President Trump came out of his meetings with the president of china with any change in United States policy toward china. The relationship developed by president xi and myself i think is outstanding. We look forward to meeting together many times in the future. And i believe lots of very potentially bad problems will be going away. Joining us now, george. If will, Pulitzer Prize winning columnist for the Washington Post. We just heard the president say that a lot of very potentially bad problems will be going away. Does that take care of it for trump voters that china has now been dealt with and the problems will be silently going away . Well, its not clear what you do to deal with china. Lets say china keeps sending us inexpensive apparel, tshirts, tennis shoes, et cetera. Now you can slap, as he promised to do during the campaign a 45 tariff on that, but that rises prices for American Consumers there. Are about 135,000 americans in the apparel industry. There are about 45 million americans living near or below the poverty line whose cost of living would go up if you did that furthermore, if this is not a commodity specific tariff, but a National Specific one that is directed at china specifically, then the apparel no doubt would no longer be made there. It would be made in bangladesh or vietnam or some other place. It would change the flow of goods into this country not at all. Is there anything youve seen in the Trump Administration that will that indicates any kind of change in policy with china . Not that ive seen, other than if he says theyre manipulating the currency, they can always say theyve stopped. They meaning the chinese. Or the american officials could sathe chinese have stopped. Its not entirely clear what constitutes manipulating the currency and how you prove it and how you prove that it has stopped. This is another chapter of the Trump Presidency meets reality. And in the reality of meeting with china, apparently President Trump couldnt come up with any of the things or wasnt capable of executing any of the promises that he made during the campaign. Were also seeing the discussion, anyway, of a possible revival after this congressional recess of the republicans going back and trying to revive a Health Care Reform bill again. Do you see any possibility there . I do, because the Freedom Caucus, which is blamed, not entirely accurately, for the failure of the first version, believes their differences with the elite of their party, paul ryan and the rest and kevin brady that the differences are splittable differences in this case. This isnt like an issue like abortion where either prolife or prochoice. These are splittable differences on subsidies, mandates, taxes, et cetera. They didnt like being blamed for this, the Freedom Caucus didnt, and i think theyre ready to deal. And in fact i have a feeling that if you took them into a darkroom and said whisper what you really believe that the leadership of the Republican Party would feel fortunate that the house Freedom Caucus with the complicity of a large number of moderate republicans, rodly friehli friehlinghausen would be just as glad that they got rid of an immensely unpopular first draft of repeal and replace piece of legislation. It reminds me of a situation when i was working in the senate where the house ways and Means Committee was working mightily to get a bill moved out of the committee, and they finally did. And the staff director of the Committee Said to me i was really glad to get this dead cat off my doorstep. It wasnt going anywhere and it never did. But they really looked like they were working hard. The tax reform crusade is high on the list. Its a paul ryan favorite. President trump had his own ideas about what they call tax reform. Its not clear at this juncture whether were really talking about is a tax cut or reaganstyle tax reform which didnt cost the treasury any money. What do you see as possible there . First, what is not possible. Secretary wants to get this done by august there arent that many days when congress is in session 2001 now and august there is a reason why it has been 31 years since there was comprehensive tax reform, 1986. And the reason is that youre not just picking one fight with the americans, youre picking lots of fights with lots of muscular factions. Who are organized in defense of the wrinkles in the tax code, the various complexities that the factions either put in place or that were put in place to generate a faction that would be pleased and would therefore die in the last ditch and defense of that when the time came for the socalled simplification that is the rationale for most tax reform. The border adjustment tax. That meant that imports would be more expensive. So the first thing you do when you suggest the border adjustment tax, you pick a fight with Worlds Largest private sector employer walmart. Now the answer that was given by paul ryan and brady and the others who support a border adjustment tax is dont worry because the cost of goods might go up, but the dollar will appreciate in value 25 . So it will be a wash. D everyone will be made whole. The problem with this is there are thousands of extremely bright people around the world engaged in currency speculation because its complicated. And you cant be sure. If it were as simple as this, do this and the currency value will increase 25 . There would only be 10 people doing this. In fact its complicate and no one knows. Yeah, ive never heard a legislative proposals success busy based on what will the future value of the dollar be, which youd have to be able to predict for as listening as the existence of that border tax would be there. George will, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Glad to be with you. Coming up, a russian hacker has been arrested, and his wife says its in connection with, quote, her words, trumps victory. Malcolm nance says this is a very big deal. And he is going to decode it for us. Hey there, starting your search for the right used car . I am you got it. Just say show me millions of used cars for sale at the all new carfax. 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Visit booking. Com now to find out why were booking. Yeah russia, if youre listening, i hope youre able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. Sound like russia was listening. An alleged russian hacker described as one of the most wanted cybercriminals has been arrested in spain at the request of authorities in the United States. Pyotr levashov was detained over the weekend in barcelona on charges related to scamming and data theft. U. S. Officials have yet to link him directly to russian interference in the november president ial election, but he is the latest suspect to be caught in a Global Operation to gather intelligence about that interference. That Investigation Continues as secretary of state Rex Tillerson makes his first diplomatic trip to moscow tomorrow. Here is what secretary tillerson said yesterday about whether he will bring up russias role in the election. We will continue to talk with them about how this undermines any hope of improving relations not just with the United States, but its pretty evident that they are taking similar tactics into electoral processes throughout europe. Malcolm nance is back with us. Malcolm, you are now in effect a producer of the show. Because what i heard today was malcolm really wants to talk about this. He said its a really big deal. So go ahead. Take us through it. Well, you know, every once in a while its good to get into the minutia of the cybersecurity and cyberintelligence world. And most of the time we just want to talk about the big picture. But every once in a while there is a key point of intelligence that comes up. And today one of the i think one of those key points of intelligence has come up. The department of justice had the spanish arrest a king of spam, a russian by the name of pyotr levashov. And he mastered what are called tnet and botnets are the thing that send out billionspon billions of spam messages all throughout the internet. And they arrested him today. But the way it looks is his wife made a statement to the effect that he developed a virus which may have been related to using this botnet work to send out spam or deny messages to go around through the use of these botnets during the Trump Campaign and possibly related to Trump Campaign itself. We dont know that. However, its very much akin to how elliot ness went after the untouchable, right . They didnt go after, you know, al capone himself after he eluded them for so long. They went after his accountant. So by getting this spam king, this russian spam king and at least four other of his associates around the world, this is where ive said for a very long time that intelligence turns into evidence. And we are now at the point where the department of justice and the u. S. Intelligence community appear to have started to dismantle this russian cybercriminal network around the world which in fact may have been the facilitators for the russian hacking of the u. S. Election. And that means theyre going to get evidence. But malcolm, they arrested this guy in spain today. Thats not an action that the United States takes lightly. Its not an action that they can easily convince oer countries to do, just reflectively because the United States would like to it happen. Tell us what the seriousness indicator is just of the very fact that the United States reached into spain to get this guy. Well, actually, theyve been going after him for some time. And he wasnt leaving russia. They saw an opportunity this time. However, there appears to have been a lot more impetus to get him now. Him and at least four other associates who run these global cybercriminal enterprises around the world. What i call the criminal bears, right . They tend to be the principle subcontractors for russian intelligence. Vladimir putin allows them to do whatever they want, steal whatever they want from credit card numbers to billions of accounts and make money off of it so long as when mother russia calls, they actually come and do the bidding of russia. This guy levashov, he actually was responsible for taking down part of the estonian internet as one of the first major cyberwarfare operations just because of his loyalty to russia several years ago. And since then, he has just turned into a global cybercriminal. But now since the investigation of the u. S. Intelligence community over the russian hacking, it appears that we are accelerating raking up all of these cybercriminals around the world. So that is very, very significant. And the only thing you can do now is when theyre extradited back to the United States, theyre not going to have the protection of russia anymore. Which means theyre going to have to talk to us and start cutting deals with us to let us know precisely what they know about this election hacking. Malcolm nance, you had me at al capones accountant. Youre right. This is a very big deal. Thank you very much for bringing it to our attention. Thanks a again, malcolm. My pleasure. Coming up, big update in the bill oreilly Sexual Harassment crisis at fox news. Fox news is now officially investigating bill oreilly. Is to always keep track of your employees. R micromanage them. Make sure theyre producing. Woo employee of the month you really shouldnt leave their side. Vita coco coconut water, hydration comes naturally. Hey, bud. You need some help . No, im good. Come on, moe. I have to go. vo we always trusted our Subaru Impreza would be there for him someday. Ok. Thats it. vo we just didnt think someday would come so fast. See ya later, moe. vo introducing the allnew Subaru Impreza. The longestlasting vehicle in its class. 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Those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. With less pain, i can be more active. Ask your doctor about lyrica. In one or two sentences could you please give me the primary reason for your report . Yes, in 2013 i experienced Sexual Harassment as a job applicant at Fox News Channel by an employee named mr. Bill oreilly. The person that youre wishing to report is first name bill, bill . Yes. How do you spell his last name . Capital o apostrophe reilly. And what is his title . He is a television host. That was wendy walsh and her attorney lisa bloom. And now fox news has announced that it is officially investigating Sexual Harassment complaints against bill oreilly. The company is using the same law firm that conducted investigations on multiple Sexual Harassment claims against roger ailes, including Gretchen Carlsons claim that led to a 20 million settlement for what Gretchen Carlson had to endure with roger ailes at fox news. As a result of that investigation, roger ailes was fired from fox news. 80 companies now, 80, have dropped their advertising from bill oreillys show. Once again tonight, bill oreilly had nothing to say about the Sexual Harassment allegations on his show. Fox news has not made public the findings of its investigations of roger ailes and has made no promises to make public its investigation of bill oreilly. When wendy walsh told her story of being sexually harassed by bill oreilly to the new york times, oreillys lawyer then threatened to sue wendy walsh. I then immediately tweeted, hey, bill oreilly, please sue me too because i believe wendy walsh. I asked for people to retweet that. And well over 55,000 of you did that. Looks like fox news got that message. And we have not heard another word from bill oreillys lawyer about suing wendy walsh, even though she continued to tell her story last week on this program and other news networks. So how long can fox news hang on to bill oreilly . 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We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum i actually see a lot of myself in you, bill. Thank you, mr. President , and thank you for coming to my defense last week, even though no one asked you to. And you even went as far as saying, quote, bill oreilly did nothing wrong. Thats correct. Thats based upon . Hunch. Just a loose hunch. Joining us now, angela corazon, president of media matters and organizers of the stop oreilly campaign, and back with us, joan walsh. First of all, alec baldwin is amazing. It might be better than donald trump. Its such a good point that donald trump rushed to bill oreillys defense last week, saying among other things he didnt think oreilly had done anything wrong. And i think thats probably true. Its true. Of course trump doesnt think there is anything wrong in what we read. You are a star and you get to grab people, and you get to harass them. Not harass them. They are probably happy that you are doing it. I think its interesting that its ailes and oreilly and trump would we now have done these hideous things. Facing off against hillary clinton. All best buddies. Facing off, destroying this women, the trauma for so Many American women watching this. And also the great sense of pleasure we have now that 52 advertisers have bailed. Is tremendous. I want to angel for all the work he has done. What is the number of advertisers that bailed out. The number that have given public statements is 82. There are many more who have withdrawn their ads but havent given public statements. He only has a quarter of the commercial he has during a typical evening. Usually he has about 40 ads. He has ten or 1 right now and they are low quality. What are they doing in the ad space . Are they running promos for fox news shows . They are. My favorite is they often run multiple times how bill oreilly dominates cable news. You will get a commercial for an ear wax cleaner and then a bunch of random fox promos some of which are cobbled together and its in the even the full promo and then them bragging about how bill oreilly dominates cable. Take us through the business of this, how this affects fox, how long can this go on. What do you see on horizon. The big thing is there is this notion that starts to percolate that somehow this has no effect. I worked on a Campaign Similar against glen beck and was able to acquire all the advertiser data for the years after the advertiser losses started there to see exactly what happened on the inside and the result of that is glen beck never recovered. The advertisers never returned. And most importantly, his ad rates were actually driven down. Those that stayed with them like the famous gold line was paying a fraction of what it would have paid had none of that happened. The result is they lost lots of money on glen beck. I did some of the back of the napkin math, i think where it stands right now, bill oreilly this year is on track to lose somewhere between 37 and 42 million in advertising revenue for fox news. Right away they are going to lose serious money. His program will never recover. The ads that come back will not pay the rates they made. I think fox is trying to sweep this under the rug like they did during the investigation. They are trying to make it seem like they have a handle on it. But at the end of the day they have a keep culture there, thats what advertisers are worried about, the fact there is more of this and they mishandle it. This cannot be tolerated in a workplace, period. Joan, mark fabiani who used to work this the Clinton White house is now one of the lawyers for bill oreilly proving that with political hacks if you watch them long enough, they will do anything for money. He gave this fabiani put out this statement today. Paul weiss is already retained by company to look into all hotline calls. Its accurate to say paul weiss has been brought in specifically for this matter. In short, there is nothing special about the way the hot line call is being handled. How will this investigation be handled . What does the public have a right to demand from this investigation . I dont know that the public has a right to demand anything with these people. They dont care about our values. So i dont feel really optimistic that we are going to find anything out. I really dont understand, lawrence, how things moved so quickly for roger ailes but they are really not moving at all for bill oreilly. Is it that his ratings are just so, you know, stupendous. We are hearing hess keeping his audience, which sadly makes sense. When he gets caught in these sex scandals his audience goes up in the first week always. Because they want to see what he is gng to say. I think he has proven he is too afraid to say a word. So the curiosity level will level off. He has been grandpa scold and mr. Morals for so long coming into your consciousness by attacking bill clinton for his bad behavior, its just really juicy to watch. But i dont know and i dont know how fox avoids making some kind of move at this point. I agree go ahead, angelo. I was going the say, these investigations are actually they are actually rather disgusting because paul weiss is not just there to create this place where they can get to the bottom this thing. Just like with the roger ailes thing they are representing fox news legally which means this is not an open forum for people to come forward. Thats why fox news is under investigation, not just because they didnt disclose all of the settlements because of roger ailes, they didnt do what they needed to do, their obligations to their shareholders. I think this is a Risky Business for them. 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