Were seeing a lot of supporters who had been with donald trump coming to us. His performance on saturday in those contests made it clear that hes vulnerable, and vulnerability is not the look that donald trump wants to project. I just want you to just really do it tomorrow. Promise youre going to go out. Okay . Promise. Republican contests coming up in michigan, mississippi, idaho, and hawaii. No one, not even donald trump, is on track right now to have 1,237 delegates. This guy is a disaster. On top of which hes a choker. Trump has been calling on you to drop out. Sure. Of course he is. Hes running against me. Little marco rubio. That guy, he couldnt be elected dog catcher in florida. I think hes an interesting show. Raise your hand. I swear im going to vote for donald trump next week. I swear. Right . Good. A lot of people that come out come to watch the show, not necessarily to vote for him. The medias saying they havent seen anything like this, not since germany in the 1930s. When i think of louis c. K. , i think genius. But i dont say it. I dont like to use that word for anyone in show business. I dont think the word that was invented for guys like this should be used for guys like this. Scientists never get praised enough, and people in show business get praised way too much. So lets leave the word genius for men and women like einstein and louis will just have to be content with his rave reviews and gold statues and pots of money. Horace and pete is louiss latest greatest outburst. And it is a work of well, lets see. I cant use that word genius. So im not going to say anything about horace and pete other than its a tv series only available only louisck. Net. And it has definitely security louis a spot on the short list of greatest tv writers of all time. Im not going to say anything about the music and who composed it and im not going to say anything about the cast even though one of them is a dear friend of mine who ive worked with and who ive never seen do anything like this. Im not going to say anything about horace and pete because louis has gone to Great Lengths to say nothing about it publicly. He has done no publicity for the show, no talk shows, nothing. He just put it on his website and let us find it because he wants us to find that increasingly rare experience of watching something we know nothing about. We never get to have that kind of pure audience experience anymore, one where we havent been influenced by ads or reviews or a wise guy comment online. Because im a horace and pete watcher i got an email from louis on saturday announcing the latest episode was ready for viewing. Thousands of us, i dont know, maybe millions of us have been getting these very welcome, very entertaining emails every saturday recently. This one had a very special p. S. About donald trump. Now, we invited louis on the show as soon as i read that email on saturday. But of course he refused because hes not talking about any of this publicly. He is letting the email speak for itself. And so sorry, but it falls to me to read the essential excerpts of louiss 1,400word p. S. A 1,400word p. S. About donald trump. And i urge you all to read it in its entirety online at our website. Here it is. Where do we start here . Here we go. P. S. Please stop it with voting for trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is hitler. Hes an insane bigot. He is dangerous. If you are a true conservative, dont vote for trump. Hes not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you. If trump is president , hes not going to change. Hes not going to do anything for you. Hes going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust. If you liked when he said that torture works, then go look at where he took it back the next day. Hes an fing liar. American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really screw things up. Thats how hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation. Trump is not your best. Hes the worst of all of us. Hes a symptom to a real problem hes a symptom to a problem that is very real, but dont vote for your own cancer. Youre better than that. Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really, i dont mean to insult anyone except trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really, im not saying that hes evil or a monster. In fact, i dont think hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we dont see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messedup guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never, ever have enough of either. And hell never stop trying. Hes sick. Which makes him really, really interesting. And he pulls you toward him, which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. Hes not a monster. Hes a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another tv show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. I respectfully disagree with louis on just one point. Please, dont give donald trump another tv show. Every day on twitter and elsewhere i see people blaming the news media for the trump phenomenon. Mostly blaming Cable News Networks for giving donald trump so much coverage and carrying his speeches live more frequently than any other candidate. Now, i dont have a great defense for that point other than to say that all of my coverage of the trump candidacy has been critical of his positions for being unconstitutional or just plain wrong, which just about awful them are. And im at least not guilty of having conducted any softball interviews that you might have seen with donald trump because donald trump refuses to appear on this program. And he does that because he knows i wouldnt waste any of my time on questions about polls or the race horse or how hes going to do the in next state. I wouldnt ask him anything about his opponents. I would ask him about details of his recently released Health Care Plan that no one has asked him about. I would ask him about details of his tax plan that no one has asked him about. And i would not allow him to pretend that his proposed ban of muslims entering the country is constitutional. It isnt. In other words, it would be exactly the kind of interview that donald trump just doesnt do. And he knows that. I think we have to widen the frame to explain how trumpism has gotten this far. The more ive stared at it, the longer ive stared at that question, the more ive widened the frame. I used to try to explain it just by looking at the evolution of our politics. Sarah palin for Vice President in 2008 is an obvious antecedent to donald trump as a republican frontrunner eight years later. We can find points on the political map like that that are explanatory. But our political culture is inextricable from the rest of our culture, our Popular Culture. Candidate trump has risen in a culture that brought you honey booboo, a show that encouraged audiences to chuckle at the worst kinds of child rearing, to watch a little girl getting no helpful preparation at all for how to advance in this world. America was invited to laugh at that little girl and her mother, and america did. The people who run our networks did not grow up like that little girl. Most of them had parents who looked over their shoulders while they were doing their homework and helped them to get where they are today. And none of them have thought of returning that favor by creating a reality show where a mother who had to struggle to get through high school herself then becomes her own childrens best tutor and eventually over years ends up sending them off to college. A show about excellent. Who would watch that . The ratings indicate, the ratings that you have supplied by watching tv, the ratings indicate that no one would watch that. Or not enough. Not enough people to keep a show like that alive. And so Popular Culture gives us snooki and the situation, not as cautionary tales, not as contemporary tragic figures who made the mistake of relentlessly ignoring their homework assignments in high school, but as amusements. People to laugh at. Popular culture gives us socalled real housewives who prove theyre real by physically attacking each other at the offscreen urgings of their producers, who pretend its all worthy of your attention because its what they call reality. And Popular Culture celebrates the biggest stars in the sad history of reality tv whose last name became famous thanks to the double murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and ron goldman. No one in that family has any talent or ability worth aiming a camera at. But americas celebrity culture doesnt care about that. Celebrity is now easily achieved without any admirable talent or ability. Which of course brings us back to donald trump, who managed to stoke his fame by being the guy everyone hates in real life but who they then think is fun to watch on a reality show. The guy who fires people. Thats what reality tv does. It takes behavior that we should be ashamed of, embarrassed of, that we should condemn, that we should hope our children never engage, in and reality tv presents it as fun. And so today people go to donald trump rally for the fun, the fun of watching donald trump do his lame impersonation of a dictator. Exactly the kind of person the Founding Fathers despised. And when those people go home from the trump rally they see fictional president s on tv who are murderers and election stealers, and all of this has been pumped into popular turtle by hollywood liberals. And yes, most of them are liberals, who control what we see on television. It was over 35 years ago that Time Magazine did a cover story about just how bad teachers could be in some of our Public Schools. Now, we still have Great Teachers and great Public Schools in some places, but it is hard to argue that our Public Education system has not been struggling badly for over 50 years now. Most of our voters now are products of those struggling Public Schools. All of the politicians and pundits whove been telling you how bad our Public Schools are for 50 years still try to tell you that those schools are producing the smartest voters in the world. Donald trump knows better. He credited his big win in nevada to, among others, his beloved poorly educated. That was his phrase. Millions of our voters dont have the basic skills for separating fact from fiction. Millions of Trump Supporters believe president obama is a muslim. 66 of them, in fact. Millions of Trump Supporters believe Donald Trumps original political lie, that barack obama is not a citizen of the United States. The president produced his birth certificate, but that wasnt good enough for people who dont know what proof is. If our Public Education system is as bad as its critics say it is, do we have any right to be surprised that it has produced voters who are susceptible to Donald Trumps lies about Barack Obamas birth or Donald Trumps insistence that he will get mexico to pay for a wall that he wants to build . Is it a coincidence that the Political Party that wants to devote less resources to education now has a frontrunner for president with supporters he affectionately calls poorly educated . It would be impossible for our educational system to slide into decline without our collective intelligence, our values, our Popular Culture sliding into decline with it. It would be impossible. Donald trump needed all of us to play our parts in all of that for decades in order for him to be taken seriously as a president ial candidate. A year ago none of us knew we had slid this far into decline. So far that donald trump could be taken seriously as a president ial candidate, never mind be the frontrunner for the republican president ial nomination. But here we are. There is much more to be said about this but not by me. I cant wait to hear what frank rich sees when he looks through that wide frame. Of how donald trump got to here. Frank rich will join us next. Seems like weve hit a road block. That reminds me. Anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea. Gas, bloating . Yes one Phillips Colon Health probiotic cap each day helps defend against occasional digestive issues. With three types of good bacteria. Live the regular life. Phillips. At ally bank, no branches equals great rates. Its a fact. Kind of like bill splitting equals nitpicking. But i only had a salad. It was a buffalo chicken salad. Salad. Were always looking for ways to speed up your Car Insurance search. Heres the latest. Problem is, we havent figured out how to reverse it. For now, just log on to compare. Com. Plug in some simple info and get up to 50 free quotes. Choose the lowest and hit purchase. Now. If youll excuse me, im late for an important function. Compare. Com. Saving humanity from high insurance rates. The republican candidates are getting very, very nasty with one another. Its got to stop. Theyre playing right into obamas hands. We must defeat obama. We dont want him to use all of this stuff to win the election. Theyve got to at least get along a little bit. Keep it civil. Keep it going. Four short years ago. Joining us now, frank rich, writer at large for new York Magazine and executive producer of hbos veep. I just want to know your president in veep has never murdered anyone as far as i know not yet. Okay. But i love that piece of video of donald trump four years ago saying come on, you candidates are going to hand this to obama. If you follow his logic, then what hes doing will be handing this to the democratic nominee. It proves louis c. K. s point. Hell Say Something one day, Something Else the next. Hes playing everybody. And he doesnt even remember im sure that he said this. Im sure he didnt remember it two days later or one day later. Are you having the same experience i had, that the longer i look at how did this trump thing happen the wider my frame gets. I start reaching back into our educational system. I start looking around the corners and the centers of our culture and it doesnt feel like its just, well, they went for sarah palin, therefore they now go for this guy. Theres a lot more going on here. Yeah. Well, first of all, a lot of people dont vote and dont care and probably a lot of people who are watching trump its not like theyre going to vote for him or anyone else. Theyre completely disengaged from the system. And as youve said, hes entertainment of a sort. So yeah, weve got a problem in that we dont you know, its fascinating to me. Like the republicans made a big issue of benghazi and it completely failed. Now, maybe it failed on the merits, but also, do you think most people in america, i hate to say this, know where benghazi is or know what twas even about . So it cuts against every candidate. But in the case of trump there is the cultural thing is huge. Theres no question about it. And its more than reality tv. It is just the whole idea of being mesmerized by television. And indeed, when i was watching you speak just a few minutes ago there was a howard beallike thing. You know what i mean . Luckily you didnt take out a gun. Always try to stay one inch inside that howard beal thing. You know, that was 30 years ago, 40 years ago that movie was. I have very weary howard beal feelings here from time to time to put it mildly. This year. I mean, this is a maddening year to have to cover and to try to use all of our customary tools and our customary language for covering this very strange thing that includes this absurd amount of lying all over the place including, you know, these candidates saying im going to abolish the irs. Thats a nutty lie that republican candidates have been using for years. Its as crazy as im going to have the mexicans pay for the wall. Or as crazy as im going to revoke the iran agreement the moment im inaugurated. You cant do it. So its complete nonsense. But the fact is that truthiness reigns, as Stephen Colbert said, and no one seems to care. Youre right. All the tools we use as journalists or even politicians, conventional politicians use, fact checking, logic, rationality, the constitution of the United States or what it actually says, its all out the window. It just doesnt really matter. And thats why people have been continually shocked. You know, you call john mccain a coward, get away with it. No one really cares. Yeah. Louis c. K. Has a great passage in his full email about donald trump talking about john mccain. Its really everyone should read that. You know, one of the things i hear when i talk to trump voters, and this is the part that i dont have a good answer for. When i point out to them a trump lie. Very few of them fight with me on the idea that its a lie. They just say they all lie, all politicians lie. Theres not a quick answer to that. Now, i think one of the big distinctions is they call things lies that i call things that turned out not to be true. I mean, for example, if the Clinton Administration comes along and promises you great prosperity from doing nafta and then you feel you that saw jobs get lost to nafta, thats a prediction going wrong. I dont believe that they were consciously lying to you when they said that. But boy, it feels exactly the same as any other kind of lie. It does. It feels like youve been let down or been misled. But the thing is everything doesnt matter. I think youd probably ago with most interesting things is the evangelical support of trump, which has been off the charts way beyond what anyone expected. Hes doing everything that religious people are supposed to be against. He doesnt know what the bible is. Hes had multiple marriages. Hes bragged about his sex life. Hes vulgar. All of it. And yet every politician does it, so hes our guy. So we dont care anymore. Theres something i love in that particular result because ive always suspected that the evangelical vote was actually up for grabs beyond just a single issue approach to them but theyd never been given any alternative to that single issue approach. So i actually like seeing that these very religious people are not going to base their votes entirely on how religious you are. I think that look, there are some positive things about trump in terms of how as a bull in a china shop this unguided missile, hes exposing, often inadvertently and unwittingly whats wrong with the system. So hes shown that evangelicals arent necessarily controlled by the issues of abortion and samesex marriage. Hes shown that advertising on political advertising doesnt necessarily matter. Hes shown that highpriced consultants and operatives and sort of focus group tested sound bites may in the end be irrelevant. Frank, were going to leave it there for tonight. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Good to have you back on the east coast. Thanks. Coming up, republican and Democratic Candidates for president are struggling to talk about race. Isabel wilkerson will join us. And later, former senator from michigan has endorsed a democratic candidate. He did not join the rest of the Democratic Power structure in michigan on that one. 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In 1965 professor Kenneth Clark published the Landmark Book dark ghetto dilemmas of social power. Dr. Clark was one of the leading social scientists of the era and an Expert Witness in the Supreme Court case brown versus the board of education, which desegregated our schools. Bernie sanders use of language about social problems was formed in that period, in the 1960s, in his 20s. And it showed last night when he said this. When youre white, you dont know what its like to be living in a ghetto. You dont know what its like to be poor. You dont know what its like to be hassled when you walk down the street or when you get dragged out of a car. And i believe that as a nation in the year 2016 we must be firm in making it clear, we will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system. Today Bernie Sanders tried to clarify that statement. What i meant to say is when you talk about ghetto traditionally what youre talking about is africanamerican communities. Theres nobody on this campaign. And occasionally you might want to write about it or mention it. Nobody on this campaign has talked about poverty, whether it is in the white community, the black community, the latino community. More than i have. What i meant by that is i think many white people are not aware of the kinds of pressures and the kind of Police Oppression that sometimes takes place within the africanamerican community. So you have in the africanamerican communities, you have Police Officers abusing people. And that is the point that i tried to make. Joining us now, Isabel Wilkerson, pulitzer prizewinning journalist and the author of the seminal work the warmth of other suns. Isabel wilkerson is one of the people being honored this week as part of msnbcs weeklong seven days of genius. Isabel, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you. Your reaction to what we heard last night and today and just in general the way it seems campaigns are on the edge of their seats waiting to hear when someone uses a word that isnt the right fit for a situation like this. Well, it shows were still having some growing pains when it comes to dealing with this longstanding deeply rooted challenge of race in our country. If you take the totality of what he said, he hit on so many points, you know, those code words, ghetto, poor, and then institutional racism. So all of thats coming together in this moment in our history, this karmic moment where we are trying to deal with who are we as a country, who are we. And you know, when you think about it, one of the things i wanted to really say about this is a lot of people focus on the use of a seeming older term, ghetto. But i think one of the issues that is of concern is the longstanding, you know, assumptions and stereotypes that still are with us today about poverty and africanamericans. In other words, the conflating of africanamericans are poverty. And the idea that the majority of africanamericans are poor and maybe not working and that sort of thing. When in reality in spite of all of the odds and all of the obstacles only 26 , its hard to say 26 , but 26 of africanamericans are under the poverty line. And that means that 3 4 are actually working and struggling, doing whatever they can but are not poor. So to try to get past these stereotypes and to get to the understanding of who we are as a country, who this group is and what theyve done in spite of all of it would help us i think understand and have compassion for fellow americans. I remember when i got to college and started studying social science. I discovered, oh, i grew up in a ghetto. It was a ghetto where everybody had a job but everybody was catholic, 95 were irish. It might have been 1 protestant. No jews, no black people. Nobody who wasnt white. Ghetto is a description of the similarity of culture, not necessarily socioeconomic status. It doesnt have to be urban. It could and so forth. And yet it has it is this term, like people, especially people of bernies age, kind of used interchangeably in a way with black community. And that does a disservice to all of us because it means that we dont really truly understand who this group of people are and how do you address the true issues that theyre facing. One of the points about this is that, you know, when he he also was speaking about institutional race mds, to his credit. And when you think about it, its not poverty thats the reason why, say, a jonathan ferrell, this young man in north carolina, was killed after hed had shot by a Police Officer after hed had this horrific car accident. Its not the reason why John Crawford in ohio was shot in a walmart, you know, carrying merchandise, you know, a toy gun or a pellet gun in walmart. That had nothing to do with poverty. That had to do with the challenges of race in our country. And that is the reason why i think people would love to hear more about these challenges that are actually life and death for africanamericans. Its hard to believe that we are talking about these things in 2016, which is 100 years ago is when the great migration began, where people were fleeing the very things that were seeing now. And so its very dispiriting to see that we are still dealing with this. And one other thing. The images that were seeing out of the last few weeks from the Trump Campaign where youre seeing, you know, protesters of many different races but particularly striking are the ones in which women, young women have been pushed and you can see the looks on the faces black women. Black women have been pushed. Shoved. Epithets hurled at them. And some of the photographs are actually so reminiscent of pictures from, say, the little rock nine when they were attempting to integrate Central High School in arkansas in the 1950s. So youre thinking how is it that we are still in 2016, these images, particularly when weve had so much hope about the millennial generation. And donald trump and his campaign are not even slightly troubled at the imagery of, you know, tough guys in their audience or in their security detail or even in one instance a secret Service Agent roughing people up. And in particular roughing up black women and other black protesters in their allwhite rallies, virtually allwhite rallies. Youre absolutely right. Thats where leadership comes in. But i have to say that i think im as disturbed if not more disturbed from not just the rhetoric but also from the immediate triggering, the response, the Immediate Response from people who are alive today who we should be well past this, we have been here before, weve seen this movie before, and here it is playing out again. And so how quickly and how easily these peoples passions in this manner can be invoked. Especially we had the movie selma. Its not even a twoyearold movie at this point. And you could be in a theater watching that and think, wow, america unites against this. We know that this is bad and this kind of treatment of people is bad and that brave march across that bridge. Well, were seeing people who are sharing the spirit of the people who tried to stop those marches. Were seeing those people at trump rallies. And that shows you that we have a long way to go in our country. Its important to recognize. And when youre thinking about history, people often a lot of us dont even know the history. I hear from people all the time whove read my book and they just say i had no idea, i had no idea. The thing about it is well, listen, that is original research. No one else has ever put down that story in that comprehensive form. Its a stunning piece of work. So no, we had no idea about most of it. But now we can have an idea. And i think its incumbent upon all of us to know. We need to know our countrys history. We need to know how far weve come, how much farther we have yet to go so that we can actually address these issues. Because they have not been truly addressed before. We thought they had. One thing i always say is we change the laws but that doesnt mean that weve changed the hearts. And i think that the heart is the last frontier for many people. Isabel wilkerson, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. 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And its this guy right here. Joining us now, former u. S. Senator from michigan and now Bernie Sanders supporter don riegle. Thank you for joining us tonight. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you for the job you do. I see you all the time but its good to see you, senator. What im doing is as easy as it looks. But senator, i have to tell you, im very surprised. If someone asked me whos don riegle going to back i would have said hes going to make the conventional choice in this situation, a former senator, hes going to go with the former senator, hes going to go with Hillary Clinton. I remember watching you in the Senate Working with Hillary Clinton, working very hard to get her Health Care Plan through the Senate Finance committee, trying to get that passed. How did you make this decision . How did you come out this way . Well, you know, i served over the time he, 28 years in the congress, seven different president s. You get to see different kinds of president s and different kinds of president ial styles. But the whole political system has changed. And you know that almost better than anybody else because when people say the political system is broken it really is quite broken. Were not seeing much of anything happen out of the congress. Were seeing gridlock in an extreme way. The two parties have sort of been breaking down over a period of time. And special interest money has really come to dominate the entire system. And i think its it is corrupting. I made an analogy to being like the poison water in flint that weve been dealing with, my home town. If you have enough if you have too much special interest money going through the political system, all kinds of bad things happen and very few good things happen. And that has to change. If were going to get new National Priorities for our country, i think youve got to put the people back in charge. And thats very, very difficult. So when Bernie Sanders started out to do this a long time ago, nobody knew who he was. He was from vermont. 3 in the polls. But i think what hes saying about the need for fundamental change and setting a new set of National Priorities is correct. And right now hes the only one whos really offering that that i can see. And one of the tests of it is that hes been able to attract now i think they just reached the 5 million mark in individual citizens whove made contributions to his campaign. Thats really astonishing because its hard to get people, just average citizens to contribute to a campaign or to even volunteer for a campaign, but to have 5 million of them across the country, average contribution of 27, i mean, that is a cry for change. And it represents anxiety. It represents frustration. It represents idealism. Wanting to make a fresh start. And i think thats needed. And right now hes offering that and hes the only one who really is in my opinion. In your statement yesterday you reached back to nafta and how you i did. And Bernie Sanders, bernie in the house, you in the senate, opposed nafta. That still has resonance for you. Well, it does. When my statement that i made in flint, i put down you will at the numbers over all the years since nafta has been in place of our annual trade deficit with mexico. And i dont know if you happened to see those numbers or have them at the top of your head. But weve just passed the 900 billion mark. 900 billion mark in trade deficit with mexico since the beginning of nafta. Were about to hit a trillion dollars. Ford motor company, as you may know, has Just Announced its about to move another plant for michigan down to mexico. Donald trumps made a big deal out of that by saying, you know, if hes elected hell stop that. Weve really been terribly devastated in michigan and in the upper midwest and increasingly across the country by jobs moving out of america, many to mexico. Thats in exhibit a. But the clintons rammed that nafta in my opinion you were there. So you have your own view of that. But the pressure was very intense to accept that package, and it was based on promises that we would have a balance of trade, that we wouldnt be this many years down the road and be upside down by a trillion dollars. But part of that money thats gone is money we need to put water pipes in flint, other places around the country, help kids go to college, lots of other things. Senator don riegle, thank you very much for joining us tonight on the eve of the michigan primary. Really appreciate it. Thank you. I think tomorrow should be interesting. Okay. Coming up, we have joy reid joining us next from michigan. You cant predict. The market. But at t. Rowe price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. For over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions. You can feel confident. 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Nobodys going to take those potatoes away from me. No wonder he lost maine which is one of the countrys greatest potato producers. Tomorrow democrats will hold primaries in michigan and mississippi. A new monmouth poll of michigans republican primary shows donald trump leading ted cruz by 13 points there. The same poll shows Hillary Clinton leading Bernie Sanders in michigan by 13 points. And joining us now is joy reid, msnbc national correspondent. She joins us tonight from detroit. Joy, michigan is what im watching tomorrow night. Theres a bunch of things in play, though. What are you going to be focusing on . Yeah, absolutely, lawrence. So for the republican side i think the thing to watch and that folks here are watching is john kasich. John kasich is making a big push to try to put michigan in his column, to try to catch up to donald trump, who does have a lead in the polls. John kasich has been all over the state blanketing with his presence. His ads are up here as well. So i would watch for that. But donald trump really does still have a lead here. This is a state that is sort of built for him. Very blue collar. That blue collar white vote. Its an open primary. And donald trump tends to do better in states where independents can cross over and vote on the gop side. Now, on the democratic side this is also a state that in theory should be a prime target for Bernie Sanders because of course, you know, detroit and all of the economic problems those same white bluecollar voters who fall on the more liberal side of the democratic side should be open to him. But he is pretty consistently behind Hillary Clinton. And i think one of the things to watch for is whether that debate last night actually exacerbated what had already been a 10 to 17point lead for Hillary Clinton because of that answer on not explicitly voting to move the funds for the auto bailout. That has actually been a big talk around local tv here, lawrence. Its all over the local news. Thats what people are talking about, is whether or not Bernie Sanders supported that auto bailout. Thats going to be a big factor here for him. And joy, in the Coverage Today in michigan did they get that distinction, that Bernie Sanders voted for the auto bailout when it was a standalone bill but then when they wrapped it inside another bill that he couldnt stand he voted against it . I have to say no. Just watching no. And local News Coverage that i was watching, you know, this morning and this afternoon, there really wasnt that distinction. Really the answer that he gave was played back and the setups really were a lot simpler than that. So i dont think that the nuance really is necessarily registering with voters here. There just really is a sense that that was something people maybe forgot or didnt know. So it came across as new information. It was a very skillful attack by Hillary Clinton because it hit on what seems to be new information to a lot of voters here. And Bernie Sanders, rather than answering it directly the way you just did, he really went right back to his wall street talking points. I think he missed an opportunity to really explain it. Theres a Washington Post piece thats up, i tweeted it earlier today and other people are sharing it, that explains more of those nuances. But you and i both know, lawrence, when it comes to voting people dont necessarily weed through the nuances. People just look at the top line. And the top line is whether or not he supported the bailout for detroit, which is so important to voters, not just in detroit but really in all of the other cities like flint and other cities that are ancillary markets to detroit. So i think thats going to be a big issue. Joy reid, try to get some sleep tonight. Its going to be a long night tomorrow. Ill try. Thank you, lawrence. Thank you, joy. The battle of michigan. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews out in las vegas right now. Tonight, power politics in motor city, the hardworking cold weather nfl cheering midwest world, we belovedly call the rust belt. Hillary clinton showed last night shes got a fastball, hammering bernie for his vote against the automobile bailout. You dont vote against cars and carmaking jobs in a part of the country that helped make america great. You dont give your political rival an issue to mow you down